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Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 16:51:23 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4864:20::732 X-Spam-Score: -1.1 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: sds@gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) The first 15 articles in *Summary* are marked as "Y-" (killed), the last 5 are not. "V t" on all articles is _identical_: ``` ("gwene.ru.org.bash" 400 nil s) [all] -> ~/.gnus-kill/all ("[[:multibyte:]]\\{5\\}" -200 nil r) [all] -> ~/.gnus-kill/all ("[[:nonascii:]]\\{5\\}" -200 nil r) [all] -> ~/.gnus-kill/all Total score: 0 ``` The idea is that non-ascii always means spam except for 1 single group where I compensate with +400. This started a few weeks ago, until then all was as expected (no non-ascii subjects except in the bash group, where nothing was ever scored). I am confused why some articles with 0 score are marked with "Y-" and others are not. 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From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Sep 23 19:15:44 2019 Received: (at 36697) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Sep 2019 23:15:44 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37284 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iCXYV-000518-Vi for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 19:15:44 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]:47974) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iCXYU-00050y-Tw for 36697@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 19:15:43 -0400 Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=marnie) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iCXYR-0005FE-0C; Tue, 24 Sep 2019 01:15:41 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Sam Steingold Subject: Re: bug#36697: 27.0.50; gnus: some articles with score 0 are killed References: Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2019 01:15:38 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Sam Steingold's message of "Tue, 16 Jul 2019 16:51:23 -0400") Message-ID: <87tv924nad.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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Content preview: Sam Steingold writes: > The first 15 articles in *Summary* are marked as "Y-" (killed), the last > 5 are not. > "V t" on all articles is _identical_: > > ``` > ("gwene.ru.org.bash" 400 nil s) [all] -> ~/.gnus-kill/all > (" [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 36697 Cc: 36697@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Sam Steingold writes: > The first 15 articles in *Summary* are marked as "Y-" (killed), the last > 5 are not. > "V t" on all articles is _identical_: > > ``` > ("gwene.ru.org.bash" 400 nil s) [all] -> ~/.gnus-kill/all > ("[[:multibyte:]]\\{5\\}" -200 nil r) [all] -> ~/.gnus-kill/all > ("[[:nonascii:]]\\{5\\}" -200 nil r) [all] -> ~/.gnus-kill/all > > Total score: 0 > ``` > > The idea is that non-ascii always means spam except for 1 single group > where I compensate with +400. > > This started a few weeks ago, until then all was as expected (no > non-ascii subjects except in the bash group, where nothing was ever > scored). > > I am confused why some articles with 0 score are marked with "Y-" and > others are not. I tried with the following score file: (("subject" ("[[:multibyte:]]\\{5\\}" -200 nil r) ("[[:nonascii:]]\\{5\\}" -200 nil r)) (group ("gwene.ru.org.bash" 400 nil s))) When I enter the group in question, all the articles are marked with "Y-" and the `V t' output is the same. So I'm unable to reproduce this. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Sep 23 19:40:17 2019 Received: (at 36697) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Sep 2019 23:40:17 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37312 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iCXwA-0007im-4W for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 19:40:17 -0400 Received: from mail-qt1-f174.google.com ([209.85.160.174]:46987) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iCXw3-0007i2-QR for 36697@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 19:40:08 -0400 Received: by mail-qt1-f174.google.com with SMTP id u22so19280752qtq.13 for <36697@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 16:40:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=sender:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:user-agent :return-receipt-to:reply-to:date:message-id:mime-version; bh=Xq7q4MRxVVSN431qhYoyJeSiIj8anFe8u6XF3okUQAo=; b=fNfoSuhgINznQXxZqRkohb19KXp86mhmlbQs6SPAZ2M7tfL9vc9osv8QnSmPGwZmAf amXkg5ojAMMN4YB/+cDL/DBps6Z6nHfF6yQb2lReJOy2xySTSPvVOCrUHTR3CycwXNSu Bh4ROtIpj+AqtZOR5rRQc7JxZgDVLfi+gi62ivH7Q0sSrcfDd3WuAavxolbzMrEibVUJ 753EohJMkUHs31Qu/g6qypfRVVoS6FhmoOGgtL05iZPnQfUy3Nbxih3OmQ3JuOMNIRU0 xwc7NDEeFqAsgKrctDvdL8ZAiyvd71hENOUBaVKhC9um5ikJ1e+yD3H6mi1rUd5XYpL3 yWSQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references :user-agent:return-receipt-to:reply-to:date:message-id:mime-version; bh=Xq7q4MRxVVSN431qhYoyJeSiIj8anFe8u6XF3okUQAo=; b=qxavIqiY4P8eXNUO1bEFIfKbDLn6M3wwqj8HQDVBTkvV5aRqjpuLutEivQh99ft5zD 04/729h8F05QsMt2D7OiKhqkWWqXounQjDANCB3c5XvNJ78G7ulgS5xsVDF5ZAKjRpp6 WbWaBQQniDkUYf99S39zqhLr/aKzisjr4PQdQJUBY+yOKfa3BeqqvYR5rZZeqBveNd8y /its9oH7UAOcSdFmQ2hn/+7WmOVwTQpkP4FZ/vTNkonrCJENPCnf+LGeb4DVAF5IhV3Z VQBIsYfOoX29Qcnq5eBNT1OcIqfwjyvU2b3AKQpgItg0EcEs2+zChE+2ksvyqvgZoolg y40A== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXe5/qLIDXsl/Y2tBHC85yFzmMT7V3yjiG/vAebJ3kuW4C/ajrQ xLBhEy/QKSWe7jMJeLcTRg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyG1LLD2LZxfkcvndrzLClbqR74uYxhq8I0FNzR3WOZ6QJr1rIH/WpbeAXWXCLIN3+0PEtUPA== X-Received: by 2002:ac8:469a:: with SMTP id g26mr2811392qto.265.1569281998104; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 16:39:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from BZ-C02XR5CGJG5L ([207.251.91.66]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id m136sm6669409qke.78.2019.09.23.16.39.56 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Mon, 23 Sep 2019 16:39:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Sam Steingold To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#36697: 27.0.50; gnus: some articles with score 0 are killed In-Reply-To: <87tv924nad.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Tue, 24 Sep 2019 01:15:38 +0200") References: <87tv924nad.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (darwin) X-Attribution: Sam X-Disclaimer: You should not expect anyone to agree with me. Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2019 19:39:54 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 36697 Cc: 36697@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: sds@gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) > * Lars Ingebrigtsen [2019-09-24 01:15:38 +0200]: > > Sam Steingold writes: > >> The first 15 articles in *Summary* are marked as "Y-" (killed), the last >> 5 are not. >> "V t" on all articles is _identical_: >> >> ``` >> ("gwene.ru.org.bash" 400 nil s) [all] -> ~/.gnus-kill/all >> ("[[:multibyte:]]\\{5\\}" -200 nil r) [all] -> ~/.gnus-kill/all >> ("[[:nonascii:]]\\{5\\}" -200 nil r) [all] -> ~/.gnus-kill/all >> >> Total score: 0 >> ``` >> >> The idea is that non-ascii always means spam except for 1 single group >> where I compensate with +400. >> >> This started a few weeks ago, until then all was as expected (no >> non-ascii subjects except in the bash group, where nothing was ever >> scored). >> >> I am confused why some articles with 0 score are marked with "Y-" and >> others are not. > > I tried with the following score file: > > (("subject" > ("[[:multibyte:]]\\{5\\}" -200 nil r) > ("[[:nonascii:]]\\{5\\}" -200 nil r)) > (group > ("gwene.ru.org.bash" 400 nil s))) > > When I enter the group in question, all the articles are marked with > "Y-" and the `V t' output is the same. So I'm unable to reproduce this. So what is the output of `V t` for you? Why are articles of score 0 marked with "Y-"? Thanks for looking into this! -- Sam Steingold (http://sds.podval.org/) on darwin Ns 10.3.1671 http://childpsy.net http://calmchildstories.com http://steingoldpsychology.com http://www.dhimmitude.org http://thereligionofpeace.com http://mideasttruth.com Computers are like air conditioners: they don't work with open windows! From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Sep 24 03:34:44 2019 Received: (at 36697) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Sep 2019 07:34:44 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37550 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iCfLQ-0007H6-8b for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 24 Sep 2019 03:34:44 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]:57878) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iCfLO-0007Gz-UE for 36697@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 24 Sep 2019 03:34:43 -0400 Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=marnie) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iCfLK-0002tv-5M; Tue, 24 Sep 2019 09:34:41 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Sam Steingold Subject: Re: bug#36697: 27.0.50; gnus: some articles with score 0 are killed References: <87tv924nad.fsf@gnus.org> Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2019 09:34:37 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Sam Steingold's message of "Mon, 23 Sep 2019 19:39:54 -0400") Message-ID: <87a7au2lma.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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Content preview: Sam Steingold writes: >>> ("gwene.ru.org.bash" 400 nil s) [all] -> ~/.gnus-kill/all >>> ("[[:multibyte:]]\\{5\\}" -200 nil r) [all] -> ~/.gnus-kill/all >>> ("[[:nonascii:]]\\{5\\}" -200 nil r) [all] -> ~/.gnus-kill/all Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 36697 Cc: 36697@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Sam Steingold writes: >>> ("gwene.ru.org.bash" 400 nil s) [all] -> ~/.gnus-kill/all >>> ("[[:multibyte:]]\\{5\\}" -200 nil r) [all] -> ~/.gnus-kill/all >>> ("[[:nonascii:]]\\{5\\}" -200 nil r) [all] -> ~/.gnus-kill/all [...] >> (("subject" >> ("[[:multibyte:]]\\{5\\}" -200 nil r) >> ("[[:nonascii:]]\\{5\\}" -200 nil r)) >> (group >> ("gwene.ru.org.bash" 400 nil s))) [...] > So what is the output of `V t` for you? > Why are articles of score 0 marked with "Y-"? Hm, I'm just getting: ("[[:nonascii:]]\\{5\\}" -200 nil r) [nntp+news.SCORE] -> ~/News/nntp+news.SCORE ("[[:multibyte:]]\\{5\\}" -200 nil r) [nntp+news.SCORE] -> ~/News/nntp+news.SCORE What does your rule that matches on the group name look like in the score file? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Sep 24 14:25:11 2019 Received: (at 36697) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Sep 2019 18:25:11 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40145 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iCpUl-00012D-1y for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 24 Sep 2019 14:25:10 -0400 Received: from mail-qt1-f182.google.com ([209.85.160.182]:43264) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iCpUd-00011W-Ae for 36697@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 24 Sep 2019 14:25:01 -0400 Received: by mail-qt1-f182.google.com with SMTP id c3so3304355qtv.10 for <36697@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 24 Sep 2019 11:24:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=sender:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:user-agent :return-receipt-to:reply-to:date:message-id:mime-version; bh=oamfUz9Qla93lfkrZRuhbQMbEouYFEoFK1ZkSTTwUu0=; b=gpRoedzyFuuv+/EVkPOZI4MLX9sru2XcQNwrSTrLFZRyydT0W6i+NP40BmujasnFxk ytMXJtiuSWpmwxgzZ+0X41ZlhSfmjRfZmh86O+1tsOP+cPL93Keu7YsflRDBQmz0RvMY Alj7//P8yIm1fUVxDUD5lDLeL8kUHkAf568qrsUXafCr9d7gTe+MgOnCMKQt0WbLR1Wa 5jNc+Z3qDYOmsfHwS6E3fkyr4eTPbLggWwrYkKQP2s94zFjLA1o1KYwSfm2C5o8C8e3X KKqVUtjHAiiITA4NNS85Sf9uPYgZQb5lNJQx9hrQHerouC9AwLs068S9aFdAZDVB+ub1 fQ9A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references :user-agent:return-receipt-to:reply-to:date:message-id:mime-version; bh=oamfUz9Qla93lfkrZRuhbQMbEouYFEoFK1ZkSTTwUu0=; b=mMQdB3z7urwCOt2CSJvmiBeQbtq7oPtly7An5Vkr74la44aBD0szTVO+9V3ojabE8o 38tIXGPAsnQBMYf3EGtfvmXUcMS5+yeYa5skFNdDsmxJaXP+Y5C30/GayGvN8y0Xl/bX LxBpBkam4p4DWXBTutmGNea34XU+okgrqdesqFpOXMn80Z/bamyxCTfyZ4PlFlM8a6Ac EhPpXsOoUi0tqGbtp3/vmRlkVKP0orKGYc5MVufWX5uk39t+zRd9y7dGjazFIgoH/Aov zDGgPjCwiY3ApuKEgXKxTUre+6tKQIvVdv9qlIuYDy9kpoqCViOBzvlMeaaPfRqtRJcZ lnUg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUQ7HhN+p1DHMZy1/LMIqJaRmBd4D3SGWKcj+WDElKxsRZ6YMl/ 5qIXdLcUJAE4sil7IcWvI1deh94= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxAgvRHTn5/iPLhdOjecNfWi+oVHliApJ0/FAIP7/dOGB2sg+2ky+yLI2b1OFqjOBtF+22Y+w== X-Received: by 2002:ac8:2dd8:: with SMTP id q24mr4425430qta.118.1569349488912; Tue, 24 Sep 2019 11:24:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from BZ-C02XR5CGJG5L ([207.251.91.66]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id c185sm1425076qkf.122.2019.09.24.11.24.47 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 24 Sep 2019 11:24:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Sam Steingold To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#36697: 27.0.50; gnus: some articles with score 0 are killed In-Reply-To: <87a7au2lma.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Tue, 24 Sep 2019 09:34:37 +0200") References: <87tv924nad.fsf@gnus.org> <87a7au2lma.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (darwin) X-Attribution: Sam X-Disclaimer: You should not expect anyone to agree with me. Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2019 14:24:45 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-=-=" X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 36697 Cc: 36697@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: sds@gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain > * Lars Ingebrigtsen [2019-09-24 09:34:37 +0200]: > > Sam Steingold writes: > >>>> ("gwene.ru.org.bash" 400 nil s) [all] -> ~/.gnus-kill/all >>>> ("[[:multibyte:]]\\{5\\}" -200 nil r) [all] -> ~/.gnus-kill/all >>>> ("[[:nonascii:]]\\{5\\}" -200 nil r) [all] -> ~/.gnus-kill/all > > [...] > >>> (("subject" >>> ("[[:multibyte:]]\\{5\\}" -200 nil r) >>> ("[[:nonascii:]]\\{5\\}" -200 nil r)) >>> (group >>> ("gwene.ru.org.bash" 400 nil s))) > > [...] > >> So what is the output of `V t` for you? >> Why are articles of score 0 marked with "Y-"? > > Hm, I'm just getting: > > ("[[:nonascii:]]\\{5\\}" -200 nil r) [nntp+news.SCORE] -> ~/News/nntp+news.SCORE > ("[[:multibyte:]]\\{5\\}" -200 nil r) [nntp+news.SCORE] -> ~/News/nntp+news.SCORE > > What does your rule that matches on the group name look like in the > score file? --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline; filename=all Content-Description: score rules ;;; from: http://www.faqs.org/faqs/gnus-faq/ ;;; Subject: Q2.4 Any good suggestions on stuff for an all.SCORE file? (("subject" ("[^a-z]\\{50\\}" -100 nil R) ("[^a-z]\\{100\\}" -300 nil R) ("[^a-z]\\{150\\}" -1000 nil R) ;; $$$ Make Money $$$ (Try work) ;; ("$$$" -1 nil s) ;; I'm important! And I have exclamation marks to prove it! ;; ("!" -1 nil s) ("[ \\t]+[0-9]\\{5,\\}$" -500 nil r) ; 5+ digits at the EOL ("[[:nonascii:]]\\{5\\}" -200 nil r) ; 5 non-ASCII in a row ("[[:multibyte:]]\\{5\\}" -200 nil r) ; 5 multibyte in a row ("please ignore" -400 nil s) ("unsubscribe" -400 nil s) ("test" -400 nil e)) ("references" ;; new thread ;; ("" 1000 nil e) ; exact match ;; gnus manual -- Followups To Yourself ("" 1000 nil r) ("$" 1000 nil r)) ("xref" ;; The more groups it is crossposted too, the less likely it is to ;; be relevant to the group you are reading now. ; (":.*:" -10 nil r) ; (":.*:.*:" -10 nil r) ; (":.*:.*:.*:" -10 nil r) ; (":.*:.*:.*:.*:" -10 nil r) ; (":.*:.*:.*:.*:.*:" -10 nil r) ; (":.*:.*:.*:.*:.*:.*:" -10 nil r) ; (":.*:.*:.*:.*:.*:.*:.*:" -10 nil r) ; (":.*:.*:.*:.*:.*:.*:.*:.*:" -10 nil r) ; (":.*:.*:.*:.*:.*:.*:.*:.*:.*:" -10 nil r) ; (":.*:.*:.*:.*:.*:.*:.*:.*:.*:.*:" -10 nil r) ; (":.*:.*:.*:.*:.*:.*:.*:.*:.*:.*:.*:" -10 nil r) ; (":.*:.*:.*:.*:.*:.*:.*:.*:.*:.*:.*:.*:" -10 nil r)) ("gwene.ru.org.bash" 400 nil s))) ; counteract the non-ASCII/multibyte above --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Description: score trace ("gwene.ru.org.bash" 400 nil s) [all] -> ~/.gnus-kill/all ("[[:multibyte:]]\\{5\\}" -200 nil r) [all] -> ~/.gnus-kill/all ("[[:nonascii:]]\\{5\\}" -200 nil r) [all] -> ~/.gnus-kill/all Total score: 0 Quick help: Type `e' to edit score file corresponding to the score rule on current line, `f' to format (pretty print) the score file and edit it, `t' toggle to truncate long lines in this buffer, `q' to quit, `k' to kill score trace buffer. The first sexp on each line is the score rule, followed by the file name of the score file and its full name, including the directory. --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain -- Sam Steingold (http://sds.podval.org/) on darwin Ns 10.3.1671 http://childpsy.net http://calmchildstories.com http://steingoldpsychology.com http://www.memritv.org http://www.dhimmitude.org http://iris.org.il debugging, v: Removing the needles from the haystack. --=-=-=-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Sep 25 09:07:55 2019 Received: (at 36697) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Sep 2019 13:07:55 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41022 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iD71P-0003Ba-Fm for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 25 Sep 2019 09:07:55 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]:34344) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iD71O-0003BS-0r for 36697@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 25 Sep 2019 09:07:54 -0400 Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=marnie) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iD71K-0002hz-PZ; Wed, 25 Sep 2019 15:07:53 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Sam Steingold Subject: Re: bug#36697: 27.0.50; gnus: some articles with score 0 are killed References: <87tv924nad.fsf@gnus.org> <87a7au2lma.fsf@gnus.org> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2019 15:07:50 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Sam Steingold's message of "Tue, 24 Sep 2019 14:24:45 -0400") Message-ID: <87tv90v80p.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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Content preview: Sam Steingold writes: Ah, this was what I was missing: > ("xref" Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 36697 Cc: 36697@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Sam Steingold writes: Ah, this was what I was missing: > ("xref" [...] > ("gwene.ru.org.bash" 400 nil s))) ; counteract the non-ASCII/multibyte above Now I get the same as you: ("gwene.ru.org.bash" 400 nil s) [nntp+news.SCORE] -> ~/News/nntp+news.SCORE ("[[:nonascii:]]\\{5\\}" -200 nil r) [nntp+news.SCORE] -> ~/News/nntp+news.SCORE ("[[:multibyte:]]\\{5\\}" -200 nil r) [nntp+news.SCORE] -> ~/News/nntp+news.SCORE Total score: 0 And no summary lines are marked with "Y-" when I enter that group. :-/ -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jan 08 12:13:59 2020 Received: (at 36697) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Jan 2020 17:13:59 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51232 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ipEu0-0003na-0M for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 08 Jan 2020 12:13:58 -0500 Received: from mail-qt1-f170.google.com ([209.85.160.170]:33888) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ipEtu-0003nJ-Qy for 36697@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 08 Jan 2020 12:13:51 -0500 Received: by mail-qt1-f170.google.com with SMTP id 5so3406030qtz.1 for <36697@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 08 Jan 2020 09:13:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=sender:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:user-agent :return-receipt-to:reply-to:date:message-id:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding; bh=W+zLmh/lNnmsENBfDcRx7H2VFK3qigGRqiTXnkG0YI4=; b=MUXawzLUZ0B+hrSZH1kDBCNzPDsTGqe6WeIniU2GPhFqLAfrzKR4xlOaJ7AfHCEOIp sh8/VEzym1Na3dLanSTSqYiWFNvWqB0txws5WnSbdG1NI7JAGYVJ5qMOIMRDujUBmxXl aVnEjyWHPU2j1KzppVpx+eLjXA+eeu6Y0oZ+0n7+ApjseZ8r+ukdb1310SNQAOLQ+fbQ 1wJgAZ40Le99qzNkKutzAtZxQDht8VdQPAsXh9JUhZrdeOeHhfEFR32ECt9mcOpOhKdR x0O9aYiMj1mHZ7Dr7WjNSeqxZBOGTIeDTwiJODdQn+DTg+7tyIU6C4bnHJq+pGQjxNo9 zimw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references :user-agent:return-receipt-to:reply-to:date:message-id:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding; bh=W+zLmh/lNnmsENBfDcRx7H2VFK3qigGRqiTXnkG0YI4=; b=XGdtezWntTPYRXNAooVV5CL2aOIsW1Naq/QCgXu8e+WHsjIIT4jy0AEXczdswz1IbI RNMiMBQsy7bQ1X5gSMt+RTPJWt7qGXhYJCHM3COSPgD99iWlhIh80AyUZNqAFrbEYzhs Y6xeULUulyykPtH8IN9d15w8mlyOoKuksgfpEt0qASkIwuMVDcr48/oR4M3r9OM6f8DJ 2j+hzljq3Zebbfgw9AX62N4FpLNkUIke3BLuoPSASYD9yZNYzwXM9gU5TAw9Q7fBTt0/ QEHd3Bvcmps+dehqKyQ72n4Y3Yv56zJoVibE4nTWB0FDAi3BTKTmz/jF5Y7pzizCGQ5w OCsw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAU1zCKN+OI9ux1D9nhiYubO6vBcaxRFeycm/iFId/igf5MSApuM 2XZ7GABeWNNk2HxTQG7baA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwG7YMEbvUX1tCkC8uJV4bwjTRQyNQW6l1zmYjIZqEbCLMpQIN1obG7dwk3r3U4AKwDv02Tkg== X-Received: by 2002:ac8:7248:: with SMTP id l8mr3279307qtp.198.1578503621123; Wed, 08 Jan 2020 09:13:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from BZ-C02XR5CGJG5L ([207.251.91.66]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id s26sm1713455qkj.24.2020.01.08.09.13.39 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Wed, 08 Jan 2020 09:13:40 -0800 (PST) From: Sam Steingold To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#36697: 27.0.50; gnus: some articles with score 0 are killed In-Reply-To: <87tv90v80p.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Wed, 25 Sep 2019 15:07:50 +0200") References: <87tv924nad.fsf@gnus.org> <87a7au2lma.fsf@gnus.org> <87tv90v80p.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (darwin) X-Attribution: Sam X-Disclaimer: You should not expect anyone to agree with me. Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2020 12:13:37 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 36697 Cc: 36697@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: sds@gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) > * Lars Ingebrigtsen [2019-09-25 15:07:50 +0200]: > > Total score: 0 > > And no summary lines are marked with "Y-" when I enter that group. :-/ I removed the rules and now `V t` gives No score rules apply to the current article (default score 0). and still the *Summary* looks like --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- Y.-[ 2: unknown 20200107T231203] =D0=A6=D0=B8=D1=82=D0=B0= =D1=82=D0=B0 #459461 Y.-[ 2: unknown 20200107T231302] =D0=A6=D0=B8=D1=82=D0=B0= =D1=82=D0=B0 #459462 Y.-[ 2: unknown 20200107T234602] =D0=A6=D0=B8=D1=82=D0=B0= =D1=82=D0=B0 #459463 Y.-[ 2: unknown 20200108T001301] =D0=A6=D0=B8=D1=82=D0=B0= =D1=82=D0=B0 #459464 Y.-[ 2: unknown 20200108T004502] =D0=A6=D0=B8=D1=82=D0=B0= =D1=82=D0=B0 #459465 Y.-[ 2: unknown 20200108T004604] =D0=A6=D0=B8=D1=82=D0=B0= =D1=82=D0=B0 #459466 Y.-[ 2: unknown 20200108T011202] =D0=A6=D0=B8=D1=82=D0=B0= =D1=82=D0=B0 #459467 . [ 2: unknown 20200108T011309] =D0=A6=D0=B8=D1=82=D0=B0= =D1=82=D0=B0 #459468 . [ 2: unknown 20200108T014403] =D0=A6=D0=B8=D1=82=D0=B0= =D1=82=D0=B0 #459469 . [ 2: unknown 20200108T014449] =D0=A6=D0=B8=D1=82=D0=B0= =D1=82=D0=B0 #459470 --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- --=20 Sam Steingold (http://sds.podval.org/) on darwin Ns 10.3.1671 http://childpsy.net http://calmchildstories.com http://steingoldpsychology.= com https://memri.org https://thereligionofpeace.com https://honestreporting.com Security at the expense of usability comes at the expense of security. 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Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2020 12:19:50 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 36697 Cc: 36697@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: sds@gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) > * Sam Steingold [2020-01-08 12:13:37 -0500]: > >> * Lars Ingebrigtsen [2019-09-25 15:07:50 +0200]: >> >> Total score: 0 >> >> And no summary lines are marked with "Y-" when I enter that group. :-/ > > I removed the rules and now `V t` gives > > No score rules apply to the current article (default score 0). > > and still the *Summary* looks like > > Y.-[ 2: unknown 20200107T231203] =D0=A6=D0=B8=D1=82=D0=B0= =D1=82=D0=B0 #459461 > Y.-[ 2: unknown 20200107T231302] =D0=A6=D0=B8=D1=82=D0=B0= =D1=82=D0=B0 #459462 > Y.-[ 2: unknown 20200107T234602] =D0=A6=D0=B8=D1=82=D0=B0= =D1=82=D0=B0 #459463 > Y.-[ 2: unknown 20200108T001301] =D0=A6=D0=B8=D1=82=D0=B0= =D1=82=D0=B0 #459464 > Y.-[ 2: unknown 20200108T004502] =D0=A6=D0=B8=D1=82=D0=B0= =D1=82=D0=B0 #459465 > Y.-[ 2: unknown 20200108T004604] =D0=A6=D0=B8=D1=82=D0=B0= =D1=82=D0=B0 #459466 > Y.-[ 2: unknown 20200108T011202] =D0=A6=D0=B8=D1=82=D0=B0= =D1=82=D0=B0 #459467 > . [ 2: unknown 20200108T011309] =D0=A6=D0=B8=D1=82=D0=B0= =D1=82=D0=B0 #459468 > . [ 2: unknown 20200108T014403] =D0=A6=D0=B8=D1=82=D0=B0= =D1=82=D0=B0 #459469 > . [ 2: unknown 20200108T014449] =D0=A6=D0=B8=D1=82=D0=B0= =D1=82=D0=B0 #459470 and after manual `V s` it looks like --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- .+[ 2: unknown 20200107T231203] =D0=A6=D0=B8=D1=82=D0=B0= =D1=82=D0=B0 #459461 .+[ 2: unknown 20200107T231302] =D0=A6=D0=B8=D1=82=D0=B0= =D1=82=D0=B0 #459462 .+[ 2: unknown 20200107T234602] =D0=A6=D0=B8=D1=82=D0=B0= =D1=82=D0=B0 #459463 .+[ 2: unknown 20200108T001301] =D0=A6=D0=B8=D1=82=D0=B0= =D1=82=D0=B0 #459464 .+[ 2: unknown 20200108T004502] =D0=A6=D0=B8=D1=82=D0=B0= =D1=82=D0=B0 #459465 .+[ 2: unknown 20200108T004604] =D0=A6=D0=B8=D1=82=D0=B0= =D1=82=D0=B0 #459466 .+[ 2: unknown 20200108T011202] =D0=A6=D0=B8=D1=82=D0=B0= =D1=82=D0=B0 #459467 .+[ 2: unknown 20200108T011309] =D0=A6=D0=B8=D1=82=D0=B0= =D1=82=D0=B0 #459468 . [ 2: unknown 20200108T014403] =D0=A6=D0=B8=D1=82=D0=B0= =D1=82=D0=B0 #459469 --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- (lines with `+` are bold). --=20 Sam Steingold (http://sds.podval.org/) on darwin Ns 10.3.1671 http://childpsy.net http://calmchildstories.com http://steingoldpsychology.= com https://jihadwatch.org https://www.dhimmitude.org https://memri.org WinWord 6.0 UNinstall: Not enough disk space to uninstall WinWord From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jan 15 11:09:47 2020 Received: (at 36697) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jan 2020 16:09:47 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35392 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1irlEj-0007HA-AI for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 15 Jan 2020 11:09:47 -0500 Received: from mail-qt1-f174.google.com ([209.85.160.174]:45305) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1irlEb-0007Gi-NY for 36697@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 15 Jan 2020 11:09:39 -0500 Received: by mail-qt1-f174.google.com with SMTP id w30so16166379qtd.12 for <36697@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 15 Jan 2020 08:09:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=sender:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:user-agent :return-receipt-to:reply-to:date:message-id:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding; bh=AIM2ip1fiB4qllQ8VCk/FlV4UbL8Acc1roe2Co75M/w=; b=hewMZCicmiaIiIWnMSgLc5Sr7hp+eBtXJLMqXwI4aLjyoJgMD5oJf5IwWScBbFDMSQ eU6RUdqZ1NbxVlGgxr4xE5OhElLSzXT6diG/kzNyUDqzm636E3NOGDcV2C7ZkW2xJ+co S0dZ/5YxdHCIcSq7hrYrcmhC7JdUxWFUTwKz5fTSLtB/FziDDyP1PQOl14l0qq/9R+pe FoodyK4UPz4AHSSY0Vv9rsocURtZ2+sF+TpoWZd7MlsTCFOx5sG+cGDvVO+MFt1NdtDW ysAjUOVOdANnosZmHLOjWH4JSLgg42QVZnFLVFTCqX6+mbWjpwu3lt0L9oAhouN5Tfbr sSYw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references :user-agent:return-receipt-to:reply-to:date:message-id:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding; bh=AIM2ip1fiB4qllQ8VCk/FlV4UbL8Acc1roe2Co75M/w=; b=KCaHzRgmVHf2yXqcJS0tH4+6OGXzKOjGG019OyA40RGwOX+3QjINInBJohdaCNMhJz UppqxtUWs64oLmR00m3goQ7wZJQsyB2e6ltKuVOw8xa/RVEka5EEJ8/FVczRSOiEejj2 o926U6eFs1ovMBhsjrsUd7+b9hUj5TRBm7QZ0pQif/gWCK/cb/szsRzaRNUNqdX0ciW+ ziMtPHhrBox2lRn5lJwxnYHMBS3BHvZDBWbWAULPHY0D6mhvjSXvo9aKz5/zuHdmOW0h LR4ht+tiT8jIHggUXkRiWnR5uDroykIyt9GJIsF0WAl3iGEJAPOZrQmHgzmZCry31jH3 xKyg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWDuFJwlPMEXpVsKSnmrN1bK6mkoXwNRWfj75Meziv+Ky8sVDog PBVwLRv5wFR9+cL2nWQuTycooho= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqy3rWlMKHI/yC//4mzxdl/TvfBxfqoEQ4DXOGgjghyiXZ+qY+2tV/frpGfQ0AxWG4YiMmSzPA== X-Received: by 2002:ac8:7446:: with SMTP id h6mr4357020qtr.274.1579104568030; Wed, 15 Jan 2020 08:09:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from BZ-C02XR5CGJG5L (ool-4355bc89.dyn.optonline.net. [67.85.188.137]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id e64sm9421022qtd.45.2020.01.15.08.09.26 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Wed, 15 Jan 2020 08:09:26 -0800 (PST) From: Sam Steingold To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#36697: 27.0.50; gnus: some articles with score 0 are killed In-Reply-To: (Sam Steingold's message of "Wed, 08 Jan 2020 12:19:50 -0500") References: <87tv924nad.fsf@gnus.org> <87a7au2lma.fsf@gnus.org> <87tv90v80p.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (darwin) X-Attribution: Sam X-Disclaimer: You should not expect anyone to agree with me. Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 11:09:25 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 36697 Cc: 36697@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: sds@gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) and after restarting emacs the problem is gone. go figure... > * Sam Steingold [2020-01-08 12:19:50 -0500]: > >> * Sam Steingold [2020-01-08 12:13:37 -0500]: >> >>> * Lars Ingebrigtsen [2019-09-25 15:07:50 +0200]: >>> >>> Total score: 0 >>> >>> And no summary lines are marked with "Y-" when I enter that group. :-/ >> >> I removed the rules and now `V t` gives >> >> No score rules apply to the current article (default score 0). >> >> and still the *Summary* looks like >> >> Y.-[ 2: unknown 20200107T231203] =D0=A6=D0=B8=D1=82=D0= =B0=D1=82=D0=B0 #459461 >> Y.-[ 2: unknown 20200107T231302] =D0=A6=D0=B8=D1=82=D0= =B0=D1=82=D0=B0 #459462 >> Y.-[ 2: unknown 20200107T234602] =D0=A6=D0=B8=D1=82=D0= =B0=D1=82=D0=B0 #459463 >> Y.-[ 2: unknown 20200108T001301] =D0=A6=D0=B8=D1=82=D0= =B0=D1=82=D0=B0 #459464 >> Y.-[ 2: unknown 20200108T004502] =D0=A6=D0=B8=D1=82=D0= =B0=D1=82=D0=B0 #459465 >> Y.-[ 2: unknown 20200108T004604] =D0=A6=D0=B8=D1=82=D0= =B0=D1=82=D0=B0 #459466 >> Y.-[ 2: unknown 20200108T011202] =D0=A6=D0=B8=D1=82=D0= =B0=D1=82=D0=B0 #459467 >> . [ 2: unknown 20200108T011309] =D0=A6=D0=B8=D1=82=D0= =B0=D1=82=D0=B0 #459468 >> . [ 2: unknown 20200108T014403] =D0=A6=D0=B8=D1=82=D0= =B0=D1=82=D0=B0 #459469 >> . [ 2: unknown 20200108T014449] =D0=A6=D0=B8=D1=82=D0= =B0=D1=82=D0=B0 #459470 > > and after manual `V s` it looks like > > .+[ 2: unknown 20200107T231203] =D0=A6=D0=B8=D1=82=D0=B0= =D1=82=D0=B0 #459461 > .+[ 2: unknown 20200107T231302] =D0=A6=D0=B8=D1=82=D0=B0= =D1=82=D0=B0 #459462 > .+[ 2: unknown 20200107T234602] =D0=A6=D0=B8=D1=82=D0=B0= =D1=82=D0=B0 #459463 > .+[ 2: unknown 20200108T001301] =D0=A6=D0=B8=D1=82=D0=B0= =D1=82=D0=B0 #459464 > .+[ 2: unknown 20200108T004502] =D0=A6=D0=B8=D1=82=D0=B0= =D1=82=D0=B0 #459465 > .+[ 2: unknown 20200108T004604] =D0=A6=D0=B8=D1=82=D0=B0= =D1=82=D0=B0 #459466 > .+[ 2: unknown 20200108T011202] =D0=A6=D0=B8=D1=82=D0=B0= =D1=82=D0=B0 #459467 > .+[ 2: unknown 20200108T011309] =D0=A6=D0=B8=D1=82=D0=B0= =D1=82=D0=B0 #459468 > . [ 2: unknown 20200108T014403] =D0=A6=D0=B8=D1=82=D0=B0= =D1=82=D0=B0 #459469 > > (lines with `+` are bold). --=20 Sam Steingold (http://sds.podval.org/) on darwin Ns 10.3.1671 http://childpsy.net http://calmchildstories.com http://steingoldpsychology.= com https://memri.org https://thereligionofpeace.com http://islamexposedonline.= com An elephant is a mouse with an operating system. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Sam Steingold writes: > and after restarting emacs the problem is gone. So this is an intermittent problem? Have you been able to determine what makes it happen? Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 URIBL_BLOCKED ADMINISTRATOR NOTICE: The query to URIBL was blocked. See http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/DnsBlocklists#dnsbl-block for more information. [URIs: ingebrigtsen.no] -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 36697 Cc: 36697@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Sam Steingold writes: > and after restarting emacs the problem is gone. So this is an intermittent problem? 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Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 36697 Cc: 36697@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > Sam Steingold writes: > >> and after restarting emacs the problem is gone. > > So this is an intermittent problem? Have you been able to determine > what makes it happen? More information was requested, but no response was given within a few months, so I'm closing this bug report. 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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 19:11:23 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 36697 Cc: 36697@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: sds@gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) > * Lars Ingebrigtsen [2020-07-19 17:40:53 +0200]: > > Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > >> Sam Steingold writes: >> >>> and after restarting emacs the problem is gone. >> >> So this is an intermittent problem? Have you been able to determine >> what makes it happen? > > More information was requested, but no response was given within a few > months, so I'm closing this bug report. If the problem still exists, > please respond to this email and we'll reopen the bug report. The problem is still there as reported originally. I am at a loss as to how to debug it - I looked at the scoring code and could not figure out what is going on there. Sorry. If you tell me something like "function foo should return A in your case, figure out why it returns B", I am more than willing to debug. -- Sam Steingold (http://sds.podval.org/) on darwin Ns 10.3.1894 http://childpsy.net http://calmchildstories.com http://steingoldpsychology.com https://ffii.org https://iris.org.il https://memri.org I'm a Lisp variable -- bind me! From unknown Sun Aug 10 16:49:58 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: Did not alter fixed versions and reopened. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Sam Steingold writes: > The problem is still there as reported originally. > I am at a loss as to how to debug it - I looked at the scoring code and > could not figure out what is going on there. Sorry. Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 36697 Cc: 36697@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Sam Steingold writes: > The problem is still there as reported originally. > I am at a loss as to how to debug it - I looked at the scoring code and > could not figure out what is going on there. Sorry. OK, reopening. > If you tell me something like "function foo should return A in your > case, figure out why it returns B", I am more than willing to debug. The scoring that the "Y-" stuff is coming from is done in the `gnus-score-headers' function. If you have a summary buffer that displays this problem, and there's just a couple of messages in it, it should be possible to edebug through that long function and see where it goes wrong, I think. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jul 23 16:04:53 2020 Received: (at 36697) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Jul 2020 20:04:53 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46117 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jyhSQ-0002Vj-1c for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 23 Jul 2020 16:04:53 -0400 Received: from mail-qt1-f170.google.com ([209.85.160.170]:42880) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jyhSN-0002VU-Cp for 36697@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 23 Jul 2020 16:04:45 -0400 Received: by mail-qt1-f170.google.com with SMTP id e12so5339449qtr.9 for <36697@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 23 Jul 2020 13:04:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=sender:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:user-agent :return-receipt-to:reply-to:date:message-id:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding; bh=6CFFrg1vnWbxb1UYasXx8P6HL/Y9AQ5Ys1ICgRccN/E=; b=BsLsEqoOMZ09v3TqBmb7Pa3jv/fr0T+BUXmXG2nf7LAF3airwcV/XBT2jStyk0iQz/ fc1tIYcD+qmAPv7pk5beCF8+PuvkQJqDjlmZs4MeKSH7PDPUUcd+WpOJ5z3tlnxnFGmz J3jkOQdWyqv8BqTg4Zs5TZvv4urgbA/YgKS2BY0Zs0dFG6wey+0ZmMPpPSACvWPU5mZc 36eKtcKTq3fSo2jd8rClZ65tlCUNu+g/m7ZSBBaLc5AveRooLQLm9mgrwpBvpA+BrZzJ 4kJZN8gZ3CSUmsADWcJ8njt3/Wyp0V/EpyVEtCDPoFQ1lcHdQno94c/VCJddjzzzYDIH WCzA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references :user-agent:return-receipt-to:reply-to:date:message-id:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding; bh=6CFFrg1vnWbxb1UYasXx8P6HL/Y9AQ5Ys1ICgRccN/E=; b=gdChd87uPRvj58djC14DEt7rwPcxclwsIUXjBzaW44pfCJhEgKStofY+lg+L3QQ2Tc 4jRW91KGBXg9rZ8MfGaAvl4Dmqqa5ZF4PWsZpD1/OqPQh2ATS6A3nW0gtFQhfbQgIdXf W/r0q2Tk2G8rbOAoaXpyQHA1tpSh9v4Xp3BAyeDBMu+xRXoZzRLKRflI2P1aB5JRPlIx gR38d2Tzi2xjG7m9gpAoRBeNrySfAsNEmNW727oCvgR514QVuTpDlrE7XSFpXNPrDvx4 W+3ZwrD5SOfr0Mq8SNMJY+W00Hujj5RmreFxBUiRBUfcin+bcA7z6yli42CZCuf4uTjq wxtg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533X182yVqrTu/pJX2EXL+RN5kIQJpKciMjgxstHy47U3h1ij83B PSdSDuafttrHMD40o9rHVw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxWlV3cnRzWWNQW4U5htG7F9OWoJaXAhnpoW9lIT4x/Mpw9JM8xRE7xl2tnvQ09q7xFZ/3RyA== X-Received: by 2002:ac8:4408:: with SMTP id j8mr5996918qtn.46.1595534677634; Thu, 23 Jul 2020 13:04:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from BZ-C02XR5CGJG5L (pool-108-30-23-113.nycmny.fios.verizon.net. [108.30.23.113]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id u188sm1436988qkb.23.2020.07.23.13.04.36 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Thu, 23 Jul 2020 13:04:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Sam Steingold To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#36697: 27.0.50; gnus: some articles with score 0 are killed In-Reply-To: <87lfjanxmv.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Thu, 23 Jul 2020 15:56:08 +0200") References: <87tv924nad.fsf@gnus.org> <87a7au2lma.fsf@gnus.org> <87tv90v80p.fsf@gnus.org> <8736c7y7nr.fsf@gnus.org> <87d04ro6m2.fsf@gnus.org> <87lfjanxmv.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (darwin) X-Attribution: Sam X-Disclaimer: You should not expect anyone to agree with me. Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 16:04:35 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 36697 Cc: 36697@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: sds@gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.9 (/) > * Lars Ingebrigtsen [2020-07-23 15:56:08 +0200]: > > Sam Steingold writes: > >> If you tell me something like "function foo should return A in your >> case, figure out why it returns B", I am more than willing to debug. > > The scoring that the "Y-" stuff is coming from is done in the > `gnus-score-headers' function. Thanks. Here is my investigation: `*Headers*` buffer: --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- =D0=A6=D0=B8=D1=82=D0=B0=D1=82=D0=B0 #462135 =D0=A6=D0=B8=D1=82=D0=B0=D1=82=D0=B0 #462136 =D0=A6=D0=B8=D1=82=D0=B0=D1=82=D0=B0 #462137 =D0=A6=D0=B8=D1=82=D0=B0=D1=82=D0=B0 #462138 --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- Here is the score rule: --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- (("subject" ;; many non-lower-case chars is a bad sign ("[^a-z]\\{50\\}" -100 nil R) ("[^a-z]\\{100\\}" -300 nil R) ("[^a-z]\\{150\\}" -1000 nil R) ...)) --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- `gnus-score-string' is called from `gnus-score-headers', `search-func` is `re-search-backward' It is called on line 2148 on `match' which is "[^a-z]\\{50\\}". So, it matches for _all_ subjects - _before_ the last 3 - because it searches _across_ lines! So, the problem is that search-func is applied to the whole *Headers* instead of it being narrowed to the current subject. In fact, if would seem to make sense to pass a list of headers instead of using a buffer and then narrowing to each string in that buffer. I can probably fix it along these lines - unless you would prefer to do it yourself. Thank you very much for your patience and help! PS. The code in gnus-score.el seems to avoid modern Emacs-Lisp features like `dolist' and `when'. Is there a (non-historical) reason for that? Also, the functions are very long and thus hard to edebug. I had to extract some loops into separate functions to speed up stepping. Is it okay to commit? --=20 Sam Steingold (http://sds.podval.org/) on darwin Ns 10.3.1894 http://childpsy.net http://calmchildstories.com http://steingoldpsychology.= com https://thereligionofpeace.com https://camera.org https://iris.org.il If I had a $ for every time I was rejected, I would no longer be rejected. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Sam Steingold writes: > `gnus-score-string' is called from `gnus-score-headers', > `search-func` is `re-search-backward' > It is called on line 2148 on `match' which is "[^a-z]\\{50\\}". > So, it matches for _all_ subjects [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 36697 Cc: 36697@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Sam Steingold writes: > `gnus-score-string' is called from `gnus-score-headers', > `search-func` is `re-search-backward' > It is called on line 2148 on `match' which is "[^a-z]\\{50\\}". > So, it matches for _all_ subjects - _before_ the last 3 - because it > searches _across_ lines! Oh, yeah, I had forgotten that -- it's a neat hack to speed up the time to score big groups: Calling re-search-backward is much, much faster than looping over the headers and using string-match. But it does mean that if you have regexps like [^a-z], they have to have a \n in them, too. > PS. The code in gnus-score.el seems to avoid modern Emacs-Lisp features > like `dolist' and `when'. Is there a (non-historical) reason for that? > Also, the functions are very long and thus hard to edebug. It's just very, very old code, trying to be maximally fast. > I had to extract some loops into separate functions to speed up stepping. > Is it okay to commit? 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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 14:37:32 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 36697 Cc: 36697@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: sds@gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.9 (/) > * Lars Ingebrigtsen [2020-07-24 17:27:45 +0200]: > > Sam Steingold writes: > >> `gnus-score-string' is called from `gnus-score-headers', >> `search-func` is `re-search-backward' >> It is called on line 2148 on `match' which is "[^a-z]\\{50\\}". >> So, it matches for _all_ subjects - _before_ the last 3 - because it >> searches _across_ lines! > > Oh, yeah, I had forgotten that -- it's a neat hack to speed up the time > to score big groups: Calling re-search-backward is much, much faster > than looping over the headers and using string-match. But it does mean > that if you have regexps like [^a-z], they have to have a \n in them, > too. So what's the verdict? Fix the code or modify my regexp and document the "feature"? >> PS. The code in gnus-score.el seems to avoid modern Emacs-Lisp features >> like `dolist' and `when'. Is there a (non-historical) reason for that? >> Also, the functions are very long and thus hard to edebug. > > It's just very, very old code, trying to be maximally fast. you wrote it over 20 years ago, right? time flies... >> I had to extract some loops into separate functions to speed up stepping. >> Is it okay to commit? > > Is there a performance impact? I have no idea - but a general "code modernization", including a switch to lexical bindings and using return values instead of global variables to pass information around - would probably speed up the code. (and make it thread safe!) -- Sam Steingold (http://sds.podval.org/) on darwin Ns 10.3.1894 http://childpsy.net http://calmchildstories.com http://steingoldpsychology.com https://americancensorship.org https://thereligionofpeace.com Money does not "play a role", it writes the scenario. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jul 27 17:45:19 2020 Received: (at 36697) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Jul 2020 21:45:19 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55879 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1k0Avv-0005wn-4v for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 17:45:19 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:55128) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1k0Avt-0005wW-CY for 36697@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 17:45:17 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=iHa4rEbCLZ+LoVbScwnFHvSBINJDkarVBbKUBjWX3pA=; b=oHNBwFL3es2Cxq/51B/rApH+XW 6DYzqBR9/3T1yUKWSBj/44M7g3u3Waqbl/KT0yZ6mou0SgJncjBOpfEs7OKZj5c72TMuzPwXCQwJD 0fMvAAVPKDkYVgYlpGvly4/xCXBkVDT7a3fCbCen9Sy08AeKmzfW27nkSeKiyd+wV8ss=; Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=xo) by quimby with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1k0Avj-0004sR-TF; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 23:45:10 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Sam Steingold Subject: Re: bug#36697: 27.0.50; gnus: some articles with score 0 are killed References: <87tv924nad.fsf@gnus.org> <87a7au2lma.fsf@gnus.org> <87tv90v80p.fsf@gnus.org> <8736c7y7nr.fsf@gnus.org> <87d04ro6m2.fsf@gnus.org> <87lfjanxmv.fsf@gnus.org> <87o8o5aq6m.fsf@gnus.org> Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 23:45:06 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Sam Steingold's message of "Fri, 24 Jul 2020 14:37:32 -0400") Message-ID: <87eeow63a5.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Sam Steingold writes: > So what's the verdict? > Fix the code or modify my regexp and document the "feature"? I think is documented... Yup: Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 36697 Cc: 36697@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Sam Steingold writes: > So what's the verdict? > Fix the code or modify my regexp and document the "feature"? I think is documented... Yup: @item Negated character classes If you say stuff like @code{[^abcd]*}, you may get unexpected results. That will match newlines, which might lead to, well, The Unknown. Say @code{[^abcd\n]*} instead. But that doesn't mean we couldn't change it now. >> It's just very, very old code, trying to be maximally fast. > > you wrote it over 20 years ago, right? > time flies... Almost 30 years ago, and I didn't write it -- it was Per Abrahamsen. :-) I would never have come up with such a great hack. > I have no idea - but a general "code modernization", including a switch > to lexical bindings and using return values instead of global variables > to pass information around - would probably speed up the code. > (and make it thread safe!) I don't think there's any global variables used, but there's a lot of variables with dynamic extent used to speed up scoring; yes. That's still faster than using parameters, as far as I know. I'm all for rewriting this... unless it makes Gnus significantly slower. Usability takes precedence over code prettiness. But computers have gotten slightly faster the last 30 years. So if this can be rewritten to be backwards-compatible (and fast), but not have the negated character class quirk, that'd be nice. I think when Per wrote this stuff, the re-search approach was like a 10x speedup over the loop-and-string-match approach. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Apr 17 14:08:58 2022 Received: (at 36697) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Apr 2022 18:08:58 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37120 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ng9KU-0007jo-CZ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 17 Apr 2022 14:08:58 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:45202) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ng9KR-0007jY-JT for 36697@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 17 Apr 2022 14:08:56 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=nfxAexZLyE0JzVi1yaK5EdZ1XwxaAmS+wKAa0gL2VXU=; b=CA08MgUNj63ln2FUJeICQKuP7b YqJX/1Q1ri3IuFOjs2iydYbNVHRzyE/J8/AQLJfcxnO3y9W6Ksmc+pufsEad4y04eTuJDea8BdZYi wDlRrTBKq0bVDxyO6vAQ0Y4HzD6lxRh6t5ttteYBqneXtndZhFUUOuGmBpD6HzIf618o=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ng9KC-00005t-9h; Sun, 17 Apr 2022 20:08:48 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Sam Steingold Subject: Re: bug#36697: 27.0.50; gnus: some articles with score 0 are killed References: <87tv924nad.fsf@gnus.org> <87a7au2lma.fsf@gnus.org> <87tv90v80p.fsf@gnus.org> <8736c7y7nr.fsf@gnus.org> <87d04ro6m2.fsf@gnus.org> <87lfjanxmv.fsf@gnus.org> <87o8o5aq6m.fsf@gnus.org> <87eeow63a5.fsf@gnus.org> Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2022 20:08:39 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87eeow63a5.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Mon, 27 Jul 2020 23:45:06 +0200") Message-ID: <87sfqb8tw8.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > I'm all for rewriting this... unless it makes Gnus significantly > slower. Usability takes precedence over code prettiness. But computers > have gotten slightly faster the last 30 years. > > So if t [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 36697 Cc: 36697@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > I'm all for rewriting this... unless it makes Gnus significantly > slower. Usability takes precedence over code prettiness. But computers > have gotten slightly faster the last 30 years. > > So if this can be rewritten to be backwards-compatible (and fast), but > not have the negated character class quirk, that'd be nice. I think > when Per wrote this stuff, the re-search approach was like a 10x speedup > over the loop-and-string-match approach. 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