From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jul 03 03:18:06 2019 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Jul 2019 07:18:06 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48359 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hiZWo-0002hl-3I for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 03 Jul 2019 03:18:06 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:54310) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hiZWk-0002hS-7w for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 03 Jul 2019 03:18:04 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:59217) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hiZWf-0003AJ-Nz for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Jul 2019 03:18:02 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hiZWd-0007mx-Q6 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Jul 2019 03:17:57 -0400 Received: from mail-wm1-f54.google.com ([209.85.128.54]:39264) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hiZWd-0007lo-FG for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Jul 2019 03:17:55 -0400 Received: by mail-wm1-f54.google.com with SMTP id z23so1083573wma.4 for ; Wed, 03 Jul 2019 00:17:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=GvczXLWFgnyrOHX+Fv8opVv+otYM5z5ASY18CtgY2iM=; b=foasYEbjWoycUX0bQw5OCZfPfWABTN8pEf3s0OgNmgXxIHWQTWC6JUoK+l9E8WTzhC NlsTlTzrELJnnpIQQrd8qqe8tDZ48yJJ2KClvQlrOcaujJPy7Os4XXCKATI3XEiylhDG erPyiMrgz30vLSY2qde0LZ2yxxN3BVuFi+A+8cuTebKF7rzOtekBk+mTSNE+/IAMmQr8 N+ju5zSFTTZXNGonjo3ZWytaA2GLFm3w6cQHFLJQUi9TpPlIpDzlOtGv8mAONbrtqxHN TF8yo+3MInPYb2xElTeRyPE+ct64OxVP0oiF7zSuyI3yjYSWTr7KrQsa7V7rqCNBNyLC OPKA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAW2jyYHXjIsPyU30iaZqPdpsyfIFWpn+oYFES3q83w+Zuay39G0 br3eLY2P/o/RaVHGzOOjD47sX2PLoSL32gtXfNRhT/1/ X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxcu7vyj2adGiaP3tRt5jN0qhvlXR8h0DLeTkeXqoj1F1msGkb+1fwwSUy6jqJqHhRi5MrskKiOYxQOSRZX8iY= X-Received: by 2002:a1c:9696:: with SMTP id y144mr6609050wmd.73.1562138273976; Wed, 03 Jul 2019 00:17:53 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Kangas Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 09:17:42 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: [PATCH] Improve some menus with separators and better wording To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="000000000000e94836058cc1a8df" X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 209.85.128.54 X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) --000000000000e94836058cc1a8df Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Just a small patch to add menu separators to some menus that are missing them. Also fix a typo and improves the wording in the help-mode-menu, and remove a duplicate entry in the eww menu. 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(envelope-from ) id 1hich0-0007gD-EJ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 03 Jul 2019 06:40:50 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:43383) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hicgy-0007fx-Qv for 36485@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 03 Jul 2019 06:40:49 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:38289) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hicgt-0001De-Fw; Wed, 03 Jul 2019 06:40:43 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4103 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1hicgs-0006xk-55; Wed, 03 Jul 2019 06:40:42 -0400 Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2019 13:40:29 +0300 Message-Id: <83zhlvbduq.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Stefan Kangas In-reply-to: (message from Stefan Kangas on Wed, 3 Jul 2019 09:17:42 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#36485: [PATCH] Improve some menus with separators and better wording References: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 36485 Cc: 36485@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 09:17:42 +0200 > > Just a small patch to add menu separators to some menus that are > missing them. What were the criteria for determining that a separator is missing in a particular place? Adding separators makes the menus longer, which could be a problem, especially on TTY frames with a small number of lines (like 24). So we need to add them judiciously. > ["Previous Topic" help-go-back > - :help "Go back to previous topic in this help buffer"] > + :help "Go back to previously visited topic"] > ["Next Topic" help-go-forward > - :help "Go back to next topic in this help buffer"] > + :help "Go back to next visited topic"] These changes lose information, because there could be more than on Info buffer in an Emacs session. Any particular reason you thought we should remove the "this help buffer" part? > (easy-menu-define nil map "" > '("Eww" > - ["Exit" quit-window t] > ["Close browser" quit-window t] Why did you want to remove the "Exit" item? Thanks. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jul 04 16:38:37 2019 Received: (at 36485) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Jul 2019 20:38:37 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51994 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hj8V3-0000TQ-AS for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 04 Jul 2019 16:38:37 -0400 Received: from bird.elm.relay.mailchannels.net ([23.83.212.17]:63426) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hj8V1-0000TE-9P for 36485@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 04 Jul 2019 16:38:35 -0400 X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@jurta.org Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5D303421FE; Thu, 4 Jul 2019 20:38:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a17.g.dreamhost.com (100-96-15-174.trex.outbound.svc.cluster.local [100.96.15.174]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 72DB53420A4; Thu, 4 Jul 2019 20:38:33 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@jurta.org Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a17.g.dreamhost.com ([TEMPUNAVAIL]. [64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.17.3); Thu, 04 Jul 2019 20:38:33 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@jurta.org X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost X-Wide-Eyed-Chemical: 5fb1f2392ac2d8cb_1562272713748_434212617 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1562272713748:1439949773 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1562272713747 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a17.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a17.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4C127F6CA; Thu, 4 Jul 2019 13:38:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=linkov.net; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :content-type; s=linkov.net; bh=4KytTdShcUMeyXujYt2zocBm/dM=; b= nQCcw2u++PwlNHkWfUUGTXTeLZyRaKXKrqIVWx6Z/+sz32/PntS4Cx08M+dLOA9G k4khewiF+cq1KS+VSzsXVIrDB4bus1LByhaNq0kFp+SwyQLrmKUdh4IL5qXqctVn +OhKMF/AlIxeRc2FKr0TEZEMJv00oBq61aCxCKeKEU8= Received: from mail.jurta.org (m91-129-109-127.cust.tele2.ee [91.129.109.127]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jurta@jurta.org) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a17.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5D2AD7F6C0; Thu, 4 Jul 2019 13:38:25 -0700 (PDT) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a17 From: Juri Linkov To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#36485: [PATCH] Improve some menus with separators and better wording Organization: LINKOV.NET References: <83zhlvbduq.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2019 23:14:56 +0300 In-Reply-To: <83zhlvbduq.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 03 Jul 2019 13:40:29 +0300") Message-ID: <87wogx1s7r.fsf@mail.linkov.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-VR-OUT-STATUS: OK X-VR-OUT-SCORE: -100 X-VR-OUT-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduvddrfedvgdduheegucetufdoteggodetrfdotffvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuggftfghnshhusghstghrihgsvgdpffftgfetoffjqffuvfenuceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmnecujfgurhephffvufhofhffjgfkfgggtgesthdtredttdertdenucfhrhhomheplfhurhhiucfnihhnkhhovhcuoehjuhhriheslhhinhhkohhvrdhnvghtqeenucfkphepledurdduvdelrddutdelrdduvdejnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhhouggvpehsmhhtphdphhgvlhhopehmrghilhdrjhhurhhtrgdrohhrghdpihhnvghtpeeluddruddvledruddtledruddvjedprhgvthhurhhnqdhprghthheplfhurhhiucfnihhnkhhovhcuoehjuhhriheslhhinhhkohhvrdhnvghtqedpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehjuhhriheslhhinhhkohhvrdhnvghtpdhnrhgtphhtthhopegvlhhiiiesghhnuhdrohhrghenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedu X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 36485 Cc: 36485@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Kangas X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) >> Just a small patch to add menu separators to some menus that are >> missing them. > > What were the criteria for determining that a separator is missing in > a particular place? > > Adding separators makes the menus longer, which could be a problem, > especially on TTY frames with a small number of lines (like 24). So > we need to add them judiciously. Rather than adding separators we could try to group parts of the menus into submenus. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Sep 13 14:57:42 2019 Received: (at 36485) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Sep 2019 18:57:42 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45603 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1i8qlK-0000Gs-5Z for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Sep 2019 14:57:42 -0400 Received: from mail-pl1-f178.google.com ([209.85.214.178]:35442) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1i8qlJ-0000GW-2T for 36485@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Sep 2019 14:57:41 -0400 Received: by mail-pl1-f178.google.com with SMTP id s17so8705945plp.2 for <36485@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 13 Sep 2019 11:57:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=yyvB3gVhC1ot83ZOsgYQmMAfeLVOoacOxrGQzit06JI=; b=e4isODtUfDjpffXNXTNsJI8gzh1ycC02qgzHEDRmr5jYDD6zWkjKwWjqccUlwAg+Jy jgaO0rrfP2YkaGJVym8ieAeQWEuuhDyY264KIiQHiOiAm5Pp5rA5b4CLdwRRiFtv4NGI LbpE1n8rYCQscLc0bk+2ijky6yl2fMPFWfcDNb/5hLh9cwmoWdWZ+2z8F2qMH3Uexgcd t7dvdrCvMIUEtvHeBUmCttpKqHauKiSSNHIn+oy8tY2W87lP6eAEOK6y++K3qhBRylpE WZu3s1bvco7tC8F1hHEulJOsFuN7SuxGUS75YiVtufbEBiiUtGCw0alXp3PG9nhDaa5W Y2IA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUh4yDOOurkU1YbW2ScKUyRsMILWaR7suTmu1RDbaDUrHvzLmzn DZnJOgtS4rJrlsL2Jxpk1iV0/6nAFjMgZo6CgLs= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwpAbo3nJBnrTBhC6fFf0p5La9UuayfQw2LH+/S/gnAcNMJrK/2Os6pfh28SNW0xFfWY7j1OF0Ei46XQRk/OVI= X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:326:: with SMTP id 35mr52267715pld.128.1568401055261; Fri, 13 Sep 2019 11:57:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <83zhlvbduq.fsf@gnu.org> In-Reply-To: <83zhlvbduq.fsf@gnu.org> From: Stefan Kangas Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 20:57:24 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#36485: [PATCH] Improve some menus with separators and better wording To: Eli Zaretskii Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 36485 Cc: 36485@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) tags 36485 + fixed close 36485 27.1 close Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Stefan Kangas >> Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 09:17:42 +0200 >> >> Just a small patch to add menu separators to some menus that are >> missing them. > > What were the criteria for determining that a separator is missing in > a particular place? > > Adding separators makes the menus longer, which could be a problem, > especially on TTY frames with a small number of lines (like 24). So > we need to add them judiciously. Thanks for reviewing the change. Looking back at the suggestion, my criteria were admittedly pretty ad hoc, and I had completely forgotten about the menu on the console. Taking another look now, I think the only important change here is a typo which I fixed in commit 224534ab8d. With that, I'm closing this bug report. Best regards, Stefan Kangas From unknown Mon Aug 11 18:54:53 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 11:24:06 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator