From unknown Sat Jun 21 03:29:25 2025 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#3643: minibuffer beyond end of screen in emacs23 Reply-To: jidanni@jidanni.org, 3643@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: jidanni@jidanni.org Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 21:40:12 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: report 3643 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B.124562019723473 (code B ref -1); Sun, 21 Jun 2009 21:40:12 +0000 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 21 Jun 2009 21:36:37 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=4.0 tests=AWL,MONEY, SARE_RECV_SPAM_DOMN0b autolearn=no version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [199.232.76.165]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n5LLaXlk023464 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 14:36:34 -0700 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MIUiG-0004At-P2 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 17:36:32 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MIUiB-00045B-R4 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 17:36:32 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=55158 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MIUiB-000454-FV for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 17:36:27 -0400 Received: from caiajhbdcaib.dreamhost.com ([208.97.132.81]:58199 helo=homiemail-a1.g.dreamhost.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MIUiA-0001dH-WF for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 17:36:27 -0400 Received: from jidanni.org (122-127-35-186.dynamic.hinet.net [122.127.35.186]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by homiemail-a1.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0D2E119DEA for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 14:36:25 -0700 (PDT) From: jidanni@jidanni.org To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 04:50:41 +0800 Message-ID: <87d48x5n1a.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) Can you believe with emacs23, the first time user doing $ emacs will get an emacs with the minibuffer inaccessible off the user's monitor?! That's right, all he needs is a laptop as regular sized as the one Dr. Stallman carries around, AND he uses X-windows. Try this test in emacs23 $ xrdb /dev/null $ seq 222 > /tmp/v $ emacs -Q /tmp/v # minibuffer inaccessible off the user's monitor, same with -q $ emacs -Q -eval '(tool-bar-mode 0)' /tmp/v # needed for emacs23 On my monitor, the file is shown with the bottom line being emacs22: 38, emacs23: 36. The problem is with emacs23 the minibuffer is inaccessible, beyond the bottom. Apparently developers never tested on anything less than long luxurious screens or used icewm or something. emacs-version "23.0.94.1" From unknown Sat Jun 21 03:29:25 2025 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#3643: minibuffer beyond end of screen in emacs23 Reply-To: Chong Yidong , 3643@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: Chong Yidong Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 20:05:09 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 3643 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 3643-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B3643.12457009456607 (code B ref 3643); Mon, 22 Jun 2009 20:05:09 +0000 Received: (at 3643) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 22 Jun 2009 20:02:25 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=4.0 tests=AWL autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from pantheon-po32.its.yale.edu (pantheon-po32.its.yale.edu [130.132.50.88]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n5MK2LUR006595 for <3643@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:02:22 -0700 Received: from furry (dhcp128036014144.central.yale.edu [128.36.14.144]) (authenticated bits=0) by pantheon-po32.its.yale.edu (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n5MK2Fdh032337 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 22 Jun 2009 16:02:15 -0400 Received: by furry (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6D869C09B; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 16:02:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Chong Yidong To: jidanni@jidanni.org Cc: 3643@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 16:02:15 -0400 Message-ID: <877hz4qbp4.fsf@stupidchicken.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-YaleITSMailFilter: Version 1.2c (attachment(s) not renamed) > Can you believe with emacs23, the first time user doing > $ emacs > will get an emacs with the minibuffer inaccessible off the user's > monitor?! Nowhere in your bug report do you mention the screen resolution you're using, nor any other details that will help diagnose the problem. From unknown Sat Jun 21 03:29:25 2025 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#3643: minibuffer beyond end of screen in emacs23 Reply-To: jidanni@jidanni.org, 3643@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: jidanni@jidanni.org Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 21:45:07 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 3643 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 3643-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B3643.124570677524481 (code B ref 3643); Mon, 22 Jun 2009 21:45:07 +0000 Received: (at 3643) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 22 Jun 2009 21:39:35 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=4.0 tests=AWL,SARE_RECV_SPAM_DOMN0b autolearn=no version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from homiemail-a4.g.dreamhost.com (caiajhbdcbhh.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.177]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n5MLdVif024474 for <3643@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:39:32 -0700 Received: from jidanni.org (122-127-32-26.dynamic.hinet.net [122.127.32.26]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by homiemail-a4.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49A3241431; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:39:31 -0700 (PDT) From: jidanni@jidanni.org To: cyd@stupidchicken.com Cc: 3643@debbugs.gnu.org References: <877hz4qbp4.fsf@stupidchicken.com> Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 05:39:27 +0800 Message-ID: <874ou8ymls.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> Can you believe with emacs23, the first time user doing >> $ emacs >> will get an emacs with the minibuffer inaccessible off the user's >> monitor?! CY> Nowhere in your bug report do you mention the screen resolution you're CY> using, nor any other details that will help diagnose the problem. Sorry. I thought checking at common resolutions like 1024x768 would reproduce the problem. From unknown Sat Jun 21 03:29:25 2025 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#3643: minibuffer beyond end of screen in emacs23 Reply-To: Stefan Monnier , 3643@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 01:35:06 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 3643 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 3643-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B3643.124606627015177 (code B ref 3643); Sat, 27 Jun 2009 01:35:06 +0000 Received: (at 3643) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 27 Jun 2009 01:31:10 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=4.0 tests=AWL,FOURLA,HAS_BUG_NUMBER autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from smtp-02.vtx.ch (smtp-02.vtx.ch [212.147.0.114]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n5R1V58r015170 for <3643@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 18:31:07 -0700 Received: from alfajor.home (dyn.83-228-218-202.dsl.vtx.ch [83.228.218.202]) by smtp-02.vtx.ch (VTX Services SA) with ESMTP id 1A1755FD3C; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 03:31:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: by alfajor.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id D268164341; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 03:31:04 +0200 (CEST) From: Stefan Monnier To: Chong Yidong Cc: 3643@debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@jidanni.org Message-ID: References: <877hz4qbp4.fsf@stupidchicken.com> Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 03:31:04 +0200 In-Reply-To: <877hz4qbp4.fsf@stupidchicken.com> (Chong Yidong's message of "Mon, 22 Jun 2009 16:02:15 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.94 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> Can you believe with emacs23, the first time user doing >> $ emacs >> will get an emacs with the minibuffer inaccessible off the user's >> monitor?! > Nowhere in your bug report do you mention the screen resolution you're > using, nor any other details that will help diagnose the problem. Actually he did say it, in a Jidanni-way: ...a laptop as regular sized as the one Dr. Stallman carries around... IIUC Richard's Lemote Yeeloong's netbook uses a standard 1024x600 display (same as the one I have on the MSI Wind on which I'm typing this). Stefan From unknown Sat Jun 21 03:29:25 2025 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#3643: minibuffer beyond end of screen in emacs23 Reply-To: jidanni@jidanni.org, 3643@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: jidanni@jidanni.org Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 00:05:11 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 3643 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 3643-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B3643.124614710222779 (code B ref 3643); Sun, 28 Jun 2009 00:05:11 +0000 Received: (at 3643) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 27 Jun 2009 23:58:22 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=4.0 tests=AWL,CT_IMAGE,HAS_BUG_NUMBER, MOSTLY_PNG_IMAGE,ONE_PNG,SARE_RECV_SPAM_DOMN0b autolearn=no version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from homiemail-a5.g.dreamhost.com (caiajhbdcaib.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.81]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n5RNwIe9022774 for <3643@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 16:58:19 -0700 Received: from jidanni.org (122-127-32-140.dynamic.hinet.net [122.127.32.140]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by homiemail-a5.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C9FCBC89D; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 16:58:03 -0700 (PDT) From: jidanni@jidanni.org To: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca Cc: cyd@stupidchicken.com, 3643@debbugs.gnu.org References: Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 07:58:00 +0800 Message-ID: <87vdmh1b7b.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-=-=" --=-=-= > Can you believe with emacs23, the first time user doing > $ emacs > will get an emacs with the minibuffer inaccessible off the user's > monitor?! 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X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=4.0 tests=AWL,SARE_RECV_SPAM_DOMN0b autolearn=no version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from homiemail-a6.g.dreamhost.com (mailbigip.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.5]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n5ULPLa4030070 for <3643@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Tue, 30 Jun 2009 14:25:22 -0700 Received: from jidanni.org (122-127-35-74.dynamic.hinet.net [122.127.35.74]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by homiemail-a6.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4646C141A9; Tue, 30 Jun 2009 14:25:20 -0700 (PDT) From: jidanni@jidanni.org To: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca Cc: 3643@debbugs.gnu.org References: Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 05:23:37 +0800 Message-ID: <87my7pl8km.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>>>> "SM" == Stefan Monnier writes: >> Say did >> $ emacs >> extend beyond the screen for you too? SM> I think so, yes, tho with my window manager (ctwm) I get to resize at SM> the same time as the frame is created (actually, placed), and with my SM> default config (small fonts, no menubar, no toolbar) the problem SM> doesn't appear. I used xdm->icewm for a user with no dotfiles on 1024x768 to reproduce the bug, which is surely "the size of the bed emacs ordered for himself did not include his hat (toolbar), that he likes to wear. That is why his feet busted through the end boards (and went off the screen)". From unknown Sat Jun 21 03:29:25 2025 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#3643: (no subject) Reply-To: jidanni@jidanni.org, 3643@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: jidanni@jidanni.org Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs 2Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 20:36:50 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 3643 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 3643-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B3643.125071482618100 (code B ref 3643); Thu, 20 Aug 2009 20:36:50 +0000 Received: (at 3643) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 19 Aug 2009 20:47:06 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.1 required=4.0 tests=AWL,MISSING_SUBJECT,NOSUBJECT, SARE_RECV_SPAM_DOMN0b autolearn=no version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from homiemail-a2.g.dreamhost.com (caiajhbdccac.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.202]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n7JKl5Bf018097 for <3643@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Wed, 19 Aug 2009 13:47:06 -0700 Received: from jidanni.org (218-163-5-186.dynamic.hinet.net [218.163.5.186]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by homiemail-a2.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1EE5D25D3 for <3643@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Wed, 19 Aug 2009 13:47:04 -0700 (PDT) From: jidanni@jidanni.org To: 3643@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 04:46:59 +0800 Message-ID: <87k50z3518.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Even more snapshots in bug#4087. From unknown Sat Jun 21 03:29:25 2025 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#3643: minibuffer beyond end of screen in emacs23 Reply-To: Chong Yidong , 3643@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: Chong Yidong Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs 2Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 16:10:09 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 3643 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 3643-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B3643.125631401419682 (code B ref 3643); Fri, 23 Oct 2009 16:10:09 +0000 Received: (at 3643) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 23 Oct 2009 16:06:54 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=4.0 tests=AWL autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from pantheon-po42.its.yale.edu (pantheon-po42.its.yale.edu [130.132.50.101]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n9NG6rc7019668 for <3643@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 09:06:54 -0700 Received: from furry (dhcp128036014244.central.yale.edu [128.36.14.244]) (authenticated bits=0) by pantheon-po42.its.yale.edu (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n9NG6lZs007020 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 23 Oct 2009 12:06:47 -0400 Received: by furry (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 8CD78C070; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 12:06:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Chong Yidong To: jidanni@jidanni.org Cc: 3643@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 12:06:47 -0400 Message-ID: <8763a69js8.fsf@stupidchicken.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-YaleITSMailFilter: Version 1.2c (attachment(s) not renamed) Do you still see this problem with latest Emacs from CVS trunk? From unknown Sat Jun 21 03:29:25 2025 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#3643: minibuffer beyond end of screen in emacs23 Reply-To: jidanni@jidanni.org, 3643@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: jidanni@jidanni.org Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs 2Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 19:40:05 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 3643 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 3643-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B3643.125632631016838 (code B ref 3643); Fri, 23 Oct 2009 19:40:05 +0000 Received: (at 3643) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 23 Oct 2009 19:31:50 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.1 required=4.0 tests=AWL,SARE_RECV_SPAM_DOMN0b autolearn=no version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from homiemail-a2.g.dreamhost.com (caiajhbdcaib.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.81]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n9NJVnFv016835 for <3643@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 12:31:50 -0700 Received: from jidanni.org (218-163-1-46.dynamic.hinet.net [218.163.1.46]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by homiemail-a2.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B355BD26EB; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 12:31:48 -0700 (PDT) From: jidanni@jidanni.org To: cyd@stupidchicken.com Cc: 3643@debbugs.gnu.org References: <8763a69js8.fsf@stupidchicken.com> Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 03:31:45 +0800 Message-ID: <87k4ylvrdq.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>>>> "CY" == Chong Yidong writes: CY> Do you still see this problem with latest Emacs from CVS trunk? Yes, happens still in this version: --- Changes for emacs-snapshot (emacs-snapshot-common emacs-snapshot-el emacs-snapshot-bin-common emacs-snapshot) --- emacs-snapshot (1:20091023-1) unstable; urgency=low * New snapshot. -- Romain Francoise Fri, 23 Oct 2009 18:52:51 +0200 From unknown Sat Jun 21 03:29:25 2025 X-Loop: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: bug#3643: 23.1.90.1; menu, toolbars vs. constant size Reply-To: jidanni@jidanni.org, 3643@debbugs.gnu.org Mail-Followup-To: jidanni@jidanni.org, 3643@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: jidanni@jidanni.org Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 16:40:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 3643 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.126270955120706 (code B ref -1); Tue, 05 Jan 2010 16:40:03 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Jan 2010 16:39:11 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NSCR4-0005Nu-P4 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 11:39:11 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NSCR2-0005Np-Qo for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 11:39:09 -0500 Received: from mail.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]:36179 helo=mx10.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NSCQy-0004fE-1S for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 11:39:04 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NSBCd-0005wS-DD for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 10:20:12 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on monty-python X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO,NO_REAL_NAME,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=no version=3.1.0 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]:59504) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NSBCS-0005ue-24 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 10:20:00 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NS0KM-0006xh-9g for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 22:43:28 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NS0K0-0006hZ-SV for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 22:43:09 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=52755 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NS0Jz-0006dw-FQ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 22:43:03 -0500 Received: from mx20.gnu.org ([199.232.41.8]:6322) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NS0Be-0006l5-6t for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 22:34:27 -0500 Received: from mailbigip.dreamhost.com ([208.97.132.5] helo=homiemail-a14.g.dreamhost.com) by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NRvrE-0005Hm-Bz for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 17:57:04 -0500 Received: from jidanni.org (218-163-3-75.dynamic.hinet.net [218.163.3.75]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by homiemail-a14.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 19D008C06A for ; Mon, 4 Jan 2010 14:55:33 -0800 (PST) From: jidanni@jidanni.org To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 05:41:07 +0800 Message-ID: <87r5q5eefg.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-detected-operating-system: by mx20.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-Spam-Score: -5.2 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -5.2 (-----) In emacs -Q fiddle in the menus, clicking etc. Notice how emacs cannot keep itself constant size, but the whole of emacs grows and shrinks along with its tool and menu bars. Now contrast this with firefox, View-> [check/uncheck some tool etc. bars] Notice how the whole of firefox stays the same size. In emacs one must first click the "maximize" button in the upper right corner for things to work out well, and such changes not to change emacs's total size. For firefox, that one clicked "maximize" is remembered between sessions. For emacs I have to use the complicated http://jidanni.org/comp/configuration/ just to get a full size window without the bars at startup. From unknown Sat Jun 21 03:29:25 2025 X-Loop: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: bug#3643: 23.1.90.1; menu, toolbars vs. constant size Reply-To: Jan =?UTF-8?Q?Dj=C3=A4rv?= , 3643@debbugs.gnu.org Mail-Followup-To: Jan =?UTF-8?Q?Dj=C3=A4rv?= , 3643@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: Jan =?UTF-8?Q?Dj=C3=A4rv?= Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 11:15:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 3643 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 3643-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B3643.126277646732303 (code B ref 3643); Wed, 06 Jan 2010 11:15:02 +0000 Received: (at 3643) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Jan 2010 11:14:27 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NSTqM-0008Oy-Vp for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 06:14:27 -0500 Received: from proxy3.bredband.net ([195.54.101.73]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NSTqK-0008Or-OV for 3643@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 06:14:25 -0500 Received: from ipb2.telenor.se (195.54.127.165) by proxy3.bredband.net (7.3.140.3) id 4AD3E1BA021C9063 for 3643@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 12:14:21 +0100 X-SMTPAUTH-B2: X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: An5WAEb/Q0tV4S1uPGdsb2JhbACBRJoOAQEBATe2OoQwBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,229,1262559600"; d="scan'208";a="23714137" Received: from c-6e2de155.25-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO coolsville.localdomain) ([85.225.45.110]) by ipb2.telenor.se with ESMTP; 06 Jan 2010 12:14:21 +0100 Received: from [172.20.199.13] (zeplin [172.20.199.13]) by coolsville.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 712517FA07B; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 12:14:20 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4B44708B.9090304@swipnet.se> Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 12:14:19 +0100 From: Jan =?UTF-8?Q?Dj=C3=A4rv?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; sv-SE; rv:1.9.1.5) Gecko/20091204 Thunderbird/3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jidanni@jidanni.org, 3643@debbugs.gnu.org References: <87r5q5eefg.fsf@jidanni.org> In-Reply-To: <87r5q5eefg.fsf@jidanni.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -3.4 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) jidanni@jidanni.org skrev 2010-01-04 22.41: > In emacs -Q fiddle in the menus, clicking > etc. > > Notice how emacs cannot keep itself constant size, but the whole of > emacs grows and shrinks along with its tool and menu bars. > > Now contrast this with firefox, View-> [check/uncheck some tool etc. > bars] > > Notice how the whole of firefox stays the same size. Emacs is not firefox. Emacs tries to keep editable lines so of course size changes. Apparently Firefox does not, but that has no bearing on Emacs. The size of the toolbar/menubar may not be an integral number of text lines. Emacs tries to always show whole lines, Firefox does not. You may put wish list as severity on this bug, but please describe every possible combination Emacs can hav in this respect and how it should behave. This includes tiling window managers like XMonad, and running with no window manager at all. And how Emacs should behave w.r.t. resize in all scenarios. > > In emacs one must first click the "maximize" button in the upper right > corner for things to work out well, and such changes not to change > emacs's total size. > > For firefox, that one clicked "maximize" is remembered between sessions. > > For emacs I have to use the complicated > http://jidanni.org/comp/configuration/ just to get a full size window > without the bars at startup. > emacs.toolBar: 0 emacs.menuBar: 0 and start emacs with -fs is all it takes. Not very complicated. In the future, please use M-x report-emacs-bug. As different ports have different behaviour, we would like to know what you are running. Jan D. From unknown Sat Jun 21 03:29:25 2025 X-Loop: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: bug#3643: 23.1.90.1; menu, toolbars vs. constant size Reply-To: jidanni@jidanni.org, 3643@debbugs.gnu.org Mail-Followup-To: jidanni@jidanni.org, 3643@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: jidanni@jidanni.org Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 10:23:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 3643 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 3643-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B3643.126285972218438 (code B ref 3643); Thu, 07 Jan 2010 10:23:02 +0000 Received: (at 3643) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Jan 2010 10:22:02 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NSpVB-0004nJ-NY for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 05:22:01 -0500 Received: from caiajhbdcagg.dreamhost.com ([208.97.132.66] helo=homiemail-a10.g.dreamhost.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NSpV9-0004n9-Rw for 3643@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 05:22:00 -0500 Received: from jidanni.org (218-163-5-193.dynamic.hinet.net [218.163.5.193]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by homiemail-a10.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id ED088280058; Thu, 7 Jan 2010 02:21:55 -0800 (PST) From: jidanni@jidanni.org To: jan.h.d@swipnet.se References: <4B44708B.9090304@swipnet.se> Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 18:21:52 +0800 Message-ID: <87ljgarz9b.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Cc: 3643@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) >> http://jidanni.org/comp/configuration/ just to get a full size window >> without the bars at startup. JD> emacs.toolBar: 0 JD> emacs.menuBar: 0 $ xrdb -q emacs.ToolBar: 0 emacs.toolBar: 0 emacs.menuBar: 0 emacs.MenuBar: 0 Emacs.ToolBar: 0 Emacs.toolBar: 0 Emacs.menuBar: 0 Emacs.MenuBar: 0 $ emacs -Q #still has the tool and menu bars there as plain as day. And the minibuffer is still way below the bottom of the screen. JD> and start emacs with -fs is all it takes. That covers over my icewm toolbar which is not what I want. Is there any solution that would fit completely into ~/.emacs? JD> we would like to know what you are running. emacs-snapshot: Version table: *** 1:20100106-1 0 500 http://emacs.orebokech.com sid/main Packages and http://jidanni.org/comp/configuration/ Anyway, today I'm running emacs on an eeepc, 25 lines tall + 1 for mode line + 1 for minibuffer. Then below that is an about two lines tall icewm toolbar, up at top is a one line tall icewm window title bar. Bet you guys never tested on such small windows. emacs -Q just doesn't fit. From unknown Sat Jun 21 03:29:25 2025 X-Loop: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: bug#3643: 23.1.90.1; menu, toolbars vs. constant size Reply-To: Jan =?UTF-8?Q?Dj=C3=A4rv?= , 3643@debbugs.gnu.org Mail-Followup-To: Jan =?UTF-8?Q?Dj=C3=A4rv?= , 3643@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: Jan =?UTF-8?Q?Dj=C3=A4rv?= Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 11:20:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 3643 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 3643-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B3643.126286316519967 (code B ref 3643); Thu, 07 Jan 2010 11:20:02 +0000 Received: (at 3643) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Jan 2010 11:19:25 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NSqOi-0005C0-Me for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 06:19:24 -0500 Received: from proxy1.bredband.net ([195.54.101.71]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NSqOg-0005Bv-97 for 3643@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 06:19:23 -0500 Received: from ipb1.telenor.se (195.54.127.164) by proxy1.bredband.net (7.3.140.3) id 4AD3E1C00230225F for 3643@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 7 Jan 2010 12:19:18 +0100 X-SMTPAUTH-B2: X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvhCAPNRRUtV4S1uPGdsb2JhbACBRJl4AQEBATe1U4QwBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,234,1262559600"; d="scan'208";a="24040421" Received: from c-6e2de155.25-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO coolsville.localdomain) ([85.225.45.110]) by ipb1.telenor.se with ESMTP; 07 Jan 2010 12:19:18 +0100 Received: from [172.20.199.2] (gaffa [172.20.199.2]) by coolsville.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37BB37FA07B; Thu, 7 Jan 2010 12:19:18 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4B45C336.6050605@swipnet.se> Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 12:19:18 +0100 From: Jan =?UTF-8?Q?Dj=C3=A4rv?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090817) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jidanni@jidanni.org References: <4B44708B.9090304@swipnet.se> <87ljgarz9b.fsf@jidanni.org> In-Reply-To: <87ljgarz9b.fsf@jidanni.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -3.1 (---) Cc: 3643@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.1 (---) jidanni@jidanni.org skrev: >>> http://jidanni.org/comp/configuration/ just to get a full size window >>> without the bars at startup. > JD> emacs.toolBar: 0 > JD> emacs.menuBar: 0 > $ xrdb -q > emacs.ToolBar: 0 > emacs.toolBar: 0 > emacs.menuBar: 0 > emacs.MenuBar: 0 > Emacs.ToolBar: 0 > Emacs.toolBar: 0 > Emacs.menuBar: 0 > Emacs.MenuBar: 0 > $ emacs -Q #still has the tool and menu bars there as plain as day. Well, -Q ignores X resources, try -q instead. > And the minibuffer is still way below the bottom of the screen. > JD> and start emacs with -fs is all it takes. > That covers over my icewm toolbar which is not what I want. That is a descision made by icewm, Emacs has nothing to do with it. You could try -mm also. > Is there any solution that would fit completely into ~/.emacs? No, as the size of the first frame is calculated before your settings in .emacs takes effect. > JD> we would like to know what you are running. > emacs-snapshot: > Version table: > *** 1:20100106-1 0 > 500 http://emacs.orebokech.com sid/main Packages > and http://jidanni.org/comp/configuration/ This doesn't say anything, use M-x report-emacs-bug. > Anyway, today I'm running emacs on an eeepc, > 25 lines tall + 1 for mode line + 1 for minibuffer. > Then below that is an about two lines tall icewm toolbar, up at top is a > one line tall icewm window title bar. Bet you guys never tested on such > small windows. emacs -Q just doesn't fit. Emacs windows can be as small as 3 lines. It may not fit by default, but it sure can be made to fit. Jan D. From unknown Sat Jun 21 03:29:25 2025 X-Loop: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: bug#3643: 23.1.90.1; menu, toolbars vs. constant size Reply-To: jidanni@jidanni.org, 3643@debbugs.gnu.org Mail-Followup-To: jidanni@jidanni.org, 3643@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: jidanni@jidanni.org Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 08:01:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 3643 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 3643-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B3643.126302402317052 (code B ref 3643); Sat, 09 Jan 2010 08:01:02 +0000 Received: (at 3643) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Jan 2010 08:00:23 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NTWFD-0004Qz-P9 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 03:00:23 -0500 Received: from caiajhbdcaib.dreamhost.com ([208.97.132.81] helo=homiemail-a4.g.dreamhost.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NTWFC-0004Qu-9E for 3643@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 03:00:22 -0500 Received: from jidanni.org (218-163-6-130.dynamic.hinet.net [218.163.6.130]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by homiemail-a4.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2927E41900; Sat, 9 Jan 2010 00:00:18 -0800 (PST) From: jidanni@jidanni.org To: jan.h.d@swipnet.se References: <4B45C336.6050605@swipnet.se> Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 12:18:28 +0800 Message-ID: <87skafykq3.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -3.2 (---) Cc: 3643@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.2 (---) !.Xresources Emacs.toolBar: 0 Emacs.menuBar: 0 and emacs -q it turns out work... unless one wants to use a different font! Then one needs -mm. Is there any way to put the -mm into .emacs? or does one need a shell wrapper? emacs-version "23.1.91.1" Anyway, my point still remains, the user's first encounter with $ emacs # just won't fit on many people's screens. At least under icewm. I don't know any other program that acts like that right out of the box. From unknown Sat Jun 21 03:29:25 2025 X-Loop: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: bug#3643: 23.1.90.1; menu, toolbars vs. constant size Reply-To: Jan =?UTF-8?Q?Dj=C3=A4rv?= , 3643@debbugs.gnu.org Mail-Followup-To: Jan =?UTF-8?Q?Dj=C3=A4rv?= , 3643@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: Jan =?UTF-8?Q?Dj=C3=A4rv?= Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 13:31:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 3643 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 3643-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B3643.126304385030210 (code B ref 3643); Sat, 09 Jan 2010 13:31:02 +0000 Received: (at 3643) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Jan 2010 13:30:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NTbOz-0007rD-HO for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 08:30:49 -0500 Received: from proxy1.bredband.net ([195.54.101.71]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NTbOx-0007r8-NQ for 3643@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 08:30:48 -0500 Received: from ipb2.telenor.se (195.54.127.165) by proxy1.bredband.net (7.3.140.3) id 4AD3E1C0023C0FA6 for 3643@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 9 Jan 2010 14:30:42 +0100 X-SMTPAUTH-B2: X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvtFAGsTSEtV4S1uPGdsb2JhbACBRIZukyABAQEBN7hShC8Egxk X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,247,1262559600"; d="scan'208";a="24935039" Received: from c-6e2de155.25-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO coolsville.localdomain) ([85.225.45.110]) by ipb2.telenor.se with ESMTP; 09 Jan 2010 14:30:42 +0100 Received: from [172.20.199.2] (gaffa [172.20.199.2]) by coolsville.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTP id 697917FA01A; Sat, 9 Jan 2010 14:30:41 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4B488501.3070002@swipnet.se> Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 14:30:41 +0100 From: Jan =?UTF-8?Q?Dj=C3=A4rv?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090817) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jidanni@jidanni.org References: <4B45C336.6050605@swipnet.se> <87skafykq3.fsf@jidanni.org> In-Reply-To: <87skafykq3.fsf@jidanni.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -2.9 (--) Cc: 3643@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.9 (--) jidanni@jidanni.org skrev: > !.Xresources > Emacs.toolBar: 0 > Emacs.menuBar: 0 > and emacs -q it turns out work... unless one wants to use a different > font! Then one needs -mm. > Is there any way to put the -mm into .emacs? or does one need a shell wrapper? The documentation for emacs and elisp is in info. It can be confusing that some parts are in the Emacs node and some in the Elisp node. This particular documentation is in the Elisp node: In Emacs: C-h i m elisp s maximized I.e. the frame parameter fullscreen can have the value maximized. > emacs-version "23.1.91.1" > Anyway, my point still remains, the user's first encounter with > $ emacs # just won't fit on many people's screens. > At least under icewm. I don't know any other program that acts like that > right out of the box. That is indeed a bad thing to do. I added some code to address that. Note that any tool bars put there by the window manager must be handeled by the window manager. For example, compiz will never let me create a window so high it covers the menu/toolbars added by Gnome-panel. Jan D. From unknown Sat Jun 21 03:29:25 2025 X-Loop: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: bug#3643: emacs -Q doesn't fit on the user's screen Resent-From: jidanni@jidanni.org Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 23:08:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 3643 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 3643-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B3643.12633376588984 (code B ref 3643); Tue, 12 Jan 2010 23:08:02 +0000 Received: (at 3643) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Jan 2010 23:07:38 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NUppq-0002Kr-GZ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:07:38 -0500 Received: from caiajhbdccah.dreamhost.com ([208.97.132.207] helo=homiemail-a1.g.dreamhost.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NUppp-0002Kk-Ej for 3643@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:07:37 -0500 Received: from jidanni.org (218-163-2-5.dynamic.hinet.net [218.163.2.5]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by homiemail-a1.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2E26119E01; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 15:07:32 -0800 (PST) From: jidanni@jidanni.org To: 3643@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 07:07:30 +0800 Message-ID: <874omqncr1.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Cc: jan.h.d@swipnet.se, rfrancoise@debian.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) On 09 Jan 2010 JD> That is indeed a bad thing to do. I added some code to address that. OK, but $ emacs -Q still won't fit on many screens, at least under icewm. Compare firefox. I thought GNU Emacs 23.1.91.1 (i486-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.18.5) of 2010-01-12 on elegiac, modified by Debian (emacs-snapshot package, version 1:20100111-1) However $ zcat /usr/share/doc/emacs-snapshot-common/changelog.gz|head -n 1 2010-01-02 Eli Zaretskii So that date is misleading... From unknown Sat Jun 21 03:29:25 2025 X-Loop: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: bug#3643: emacs -Q doesn't fit on the user's screen Resent-From: "Jan D." Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 07:43:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 3643 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 3643-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B3643.126336855915386 (code B ref 3643); Wed, 13 Jan 2010 07:43:02 +0000 Received: (at 3643) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Jan 2010 07:42:39 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NUxs1-0003zj-UJ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 02:42:37 -0500 Received: from proxy3.bredband.net ([195.54.101.73]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NUxs0-0003zW-Ay for 3643@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 02:42:24 -0500 Received: from ipb2.telenor.se (195.54.127.165) by proxy3.bredband.net (7.3.140.3) id 4AD3E1BA024450A7 for 3643@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 08:42:20 +0100 X-SMTPAUTH-B2: X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AnxVAI8ITUtV4S1uPGdsb2JhbACBRIZvky0BAQEBN7kMhDAE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,267,1262559600"; d="scan'208";a="26192815" Received: from c-6e2de155.25-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO coolsville.localdomain) ([85.225.45.110]) by ipb2.telenor.se with ESMTP; 13 Jan 2010 08:42:20 +0100 Received: from [10.225.40.84] (unknown [193.45.43.33]) by coolsville.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CC8187FA01A; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 08:42:19 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4B4D795A.2020506@swipnet.se> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 08:42:18 +0100 From: "Jan D." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.5) Gecko/20091204 Thunderbird/3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jidanni@jidanni.org References: <874omqncr1.fsf@jidanni.org> In-Reply-To: <874omqncr1.fsf@jidanni.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) Cc: rfrancoise@debian.org, 3643@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) On 2010-01-13 00:07, jidanni@jidanni.org wrote: > On 09 Jan 2010 > JD> That is indeed a bad thing to do. I added some code to address that. > > OK, but > $ emacs -Q > still won't fit on many screens, at least under icewm. Compare firefox. > > I thought > > GNU Emacs 23.1.91.1 (i486-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.18.5) > of 2010-01-12 on elegiac, modified by Debian > (emacs-snapshot package, version 1:20100111-1) I don't know how often Debian takes its snapshot or how it relates to bzr trunk. To really test it, get Emacs from the bzr repository on savannah. > > However > $ zcat /usr/share/doc/emacs-snapshot-common/changelog.gz|head -n 1 > 2010-01-02 Eli Zaretskii > > So that date is misleading... The date is from when Emacs was built. Jan D. From unknown Sat Jun 21 03:29:25 2025 X-Loop: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: bug#3643: emacs -Q doesn't fit on the user's screen Resent-From: Yavor Doganov Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 08:02:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 3643 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 3643-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B3643.126336968816409 (code B ref 3643); Wed, 13 Jan 2010 08:02:02 +0000 Received: (at 3643) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Jan 2010 08:01:28 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NUyAS-0004Gc-Bo for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 03:01:28 -0500 Received: from [213.91.219.2] (helo=southway-varna.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NUxnm-0003ug-QG for 3643@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 02:38:03 -0500 Received: from keel.southway-varna.com ([192.168.0.2]) by southway-varna.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NUxnf-0002A8-VC; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 09:37:57 +0200 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=keel.southway-varna.com) by keel.southway-varna.com with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NUxnc-0001xf-ES; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 09:37:52 +0200 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 09:37:52 +0200 Message-ID: <87k4vmzc8f.GNU's_Not_Unix!%yavor@gnu.org> From: Yavor Doganov To: jidanni@jidanni.org, 3643@debbugs.gnu.org In-Reply-To: <874omqncr1.fsf@jidanni.org> References: <874omqncr1.fsf@jidanni.org> Mail-Followup-To: 3643@debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@jidanni.org, rfrancoise@debian.org, yavor@gnu.org User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.6 (Almost Unreal) SEMI/1.14.6 (Maruoka) FLIM/1.14.9 =?UTF-8?Q?(Goj=C5=8D)?= APEL/10.7 Emacs/23.1 (i486-pc-linux-gnu) MULE/6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) Organization: The GNU Emacs Church (Bulgarian eparchy) X-Jabber-ID: doganov@jabber.minus273.org MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 192.168.0.2 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: yavor@gnu.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on bow X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:14:11 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on southway-varna.com) X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 03:01:26 -0500 Cc: rfrancoise@debian.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) jidanni@jidanni.org wrote: > (emacs-snapshot package, version 1:20100111-1) > > However > $ zcat /usr/share/doc/emacs-snapshot-common/changelog.gz|head -n 1 > 2010-01-02 Eli Zaretskii > > So that date is misleading... Not misleading at all. That file is the toplevel ChangeLog; the others are at /usr/share/doc/emacs-snapshot-common/changelogs. From unknown Sat Jun 21 03:29:25 2025 X-Loop: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: bug#3643: emacs -Q doesn't fit on the user's screen Resent-From: Romain Francoise Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 08:50:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 3643 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 3643-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B3643.126337260019178 (code B ref 3643); Wed, 13 Jan 2010 08:50:02 +0000 Received: (at 3643) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Jan 2010 08:50:00 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NUyvQ-0004zG-D7 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 03:50:00 -0500 Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr ([212.27.42.4]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NUyvN-0004zA-ES for 3643@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 03:49:58 -0500 Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 541744C81AB; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 09:49:49 +0100 (CET) Received: from elegiac.orebokech.com (home.orebokech.com [82.67.41.165]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42CEE4C8027; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 09:49:47 +0100 (CET) Received: by elegiac.orebokech.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id CF46B3B1FC; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 09:49:46 +0100 (CET) From: Romain Francoise To: "Jan D." Organization: orebokech dot com References: <874omqncr1.fsf@jidanni.org> <4B4D795A.2020506@swipnet.se> X-Face: }9mYu,e_@+e!`Z-P5kVXa3\_b:hdJ"B)ww[&=b<2=awG:GOIM (Jan D.'s message of "Wed, 13 Jan 2010 08:42:18 +0100") Message-ID: <87hbqqfkyd.fsf@elegiac.orebokech.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) Cc: 3643@debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@jidanni.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) "Jan D." writes: >> GNU Emacs 23.1.91.1 (i486-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.18.5) >> of 2010-01-12 on elegiac, modified by Debian >> (emacs-snapshot package, version 1:20100111-1) > I don't know how often Debian takes its snapshot or how it relates > to bzr trunk. To really test it, get Emacs from the bzr repository > on savannah. The snapshots are taken from the bzr trunk; this particular version was built at the date shown in the version (2010-01-12). If it helps, the corresponding bzr revision was 99300. From unknown Sat Jun 21 03:29:25 2025 X-Loop: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: bug#3643: emacs -Q doesn't fit on the user's screen Resent-From: "Jan D." Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 11:25:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 3643 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 3643-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B3643.126338189427779 (code B ref 3643); Wed, 13 Jan 2010 11:25:02 +0000 Received: (at 3643) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Jan 2010 11:24:54 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NV1LK-0007E0-17 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 06:24:54 -0500 Received: from proxy3.bredband.net ([195.54.101.73]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NV1LG-0007Dt-9E for 3643@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 06:24:52 -0500 Received: from ipb1.telenor.se (195.54.127.164) by proxy3.bredband.net (7.3.140.3) id 4AD3E1BA0245B407 for 3643@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 12:24:47 +0100 X-SMTPAUTH-B2: X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqhCAFs8TUtV4S1uPGdsb2JhbACBRY4XjAoBAQEBN7lyhDAE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,267,1262559600"; d="scan'208";a="26253288" Received: from c-6e2de155.25-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO coolsville.localdomain) ([85.225.45.110]) by ipb1.telenor.se with ESMTP; 13 Jan 2010 12:24:46 +0100 Received: from [10.225.40.84] (unknown [193.45.43.33]) by coolsville.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EE61E7FA01A; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 12:24:45 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4B4DAD7C.3020001@swipnet.se> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 12:24:44 +0100 From: "Jan D." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.5) Gecko/20091204 Thunderbird/3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <874omqncr1.fsf@jidanni.org> <4B4D795A.2020506@swipnet.se> In-Reply-To: <4B4D795A.2020506@swipnet.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) Cc: rfrancoise@debian.org, 3643@debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@jidanni.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) On 2010-01-13 00:07, jidanni@jidanni.org wrote: > On 09 Jan 2010 > JD> That is indeed a bad thing to do. I added some code to address that. > > OK, but > $ emacs -Q > still won't fit on many screens, at least under icewm. Compare firefox. This is very uninformative. Screen esolution? Font used? Size that fits? Size that Emacs uses? Screen shots? Jan D. From unknown Sat Jun 21 03:29:25 2025 X-Loop: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: bug#3643: emacs -Q doesn't fit on the user's screen Resent-From: jidanni@jidanni.org Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:15:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 3643 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 3643-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B3643.12634172605935 (code B ref 3643); Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:15:02 +0000 Received: (at 3643) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Jan 2010 21:14:20 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NVAXh-0001Xg-JY for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:14:20 -0500 Received: from caiajhbdcbef.dreamhost.com ([208.97.132.145] helo=homiemail-a2.g.dreamhost.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NVAXf-0001XZ-Sb for 3643@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:14:16 -0500 Received: from jidanni.org (218-163-1-79.dynamic.hinet.net [218.163.1.79]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by homiemail-a2.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FDF9D271D; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 13:14:10 -0800 (PST) From: jidanni@jidanni.org To: romain@orebokech.com References: <87hbqqfkyd.fsf@elegiac.orebokech.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 05:14:08 +0800 Message-ID: <87fx69oggv.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) Cc: jan.h.d@swipnet.se, 3643@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) RF> The snapshots are taken from the bzr trunk; this particular version RF> was built at the date shown in the version (2010-01-12). If it RF> helps, the corresponding bzr revision was 99300. OK, then the following should in the future please mention more of those facts. >>> GNU Emacs 23.1.91.1 (i486-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.18.5) >>> of 2010-01-12 on elegiac, modified by Debian >>> (emacs-snapshot package, version 1:20100111-1) Or at least mention the 99300. Thanks. From unknown Sat Jun 21 03:29:25 2025 X-Loop: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: bug#3643: emacs -Q doesn't fit on the user's screen Resent-From: jidanni@jidanni.org Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 03:49:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 3643 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 3643-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B3643.126344090927569 (code B ref 3643); Thu, 14 Jan 2010 03:49:02 +0000 Received: (at 3643) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Jan 2010 03:48:29 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NVGhB-0007Ac-CW for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 22:48:29 -0500 Received: from caiajhbdccah.dreamhost.com ([208.97.132.207] helo=homiemail-a4.g.dreamhost.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NVGh7-0007AQ-3T for 3643@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 22:48:27 -0500 Received: from jidanni.org (218-163-1-79.dynamic.hinet.net [218.163.1.79]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by homiemail-a4.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B05F2418C9; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 19:48:20 -0800 (PST) From: jidanni@jidanni.org To: jan.h.d@swipnet.se References: <4B4DAD7C.3020001@swipnet.se> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 11:48:18 +0800 Message-ID: <87iqb5gxdp.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) Cc: rfrancoise@debian.org, 3643@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) JD> Screen esolution? Font used? Size that fits? Size that Emacs uses? JD> Screen shots? I enclosed a screen shot earlier in this bug. $ xdpyinfo|grep dimensions dimensions: 1024x768 pixels (302x232 millimeters) As far as what fonts emacs -Q uses, I did C-u C-x = on the first word in the *scratch* buffer and found: xft:-unknown-DejaVu Sans Mono-normal-normal-normal-*-14-*-*-*-m-0-iso10646-1 (#x37) It starts up 80+40, says ALT+F8 here in icewm. But only 80+38 will fit. From unknown Sat Jun 21 03:29:25 2025 X-Loop: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: bug#3643: emacs -Q doesn't fit on the user's screen References: <87d48x5n1a.fsf@jidanni.org> In-Reply-To: <87d48x5n1a.fsf@jidanni.org> Resent-From: jidanni@jidanni.org Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:15:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 3643 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 3643-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B3643.126355767932667 (code B ref 3643); Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:15:02 +0000 Received: (at 3643) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jan 2010 12:14:39 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NVl4Z-0008Uq-BD for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 07:14:39 -0500 Received: from caiajhbdcaid.dreamhost.com ([208.97.132.83] helo=homiemail-a10.g.dreamhost.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NVl4X-0008Uj-8Z for 3643@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 07:14:37 -0500 Received: from jidanni.org (218-163-7-241.dynamic.hinet.net [218.163.7.241]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by homiemail-a10.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0750128005E; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 04:14:31 -0800 (PST) From: jidanni@jidanni.org To: jan.h.d@swipnet.se Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 20:14:26 +0800 Message-ID: <878wbzy38d.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -3.1 (---) Cc: rfrancoise@debian.org, 3643@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.1 (---) On my 800x480 eeepc, $ emacs -Q ALT+F8 says the window is 21 lines high. Since the minibuffer is below the screen, in the scratch buffer, type (tool-bar-mode)C-x C-e The tool bar dissapears, ALT+F8 still reports the screen is 21 lines long, but finally all fits. Is this an icewm bug, reporting the same size with or without toolbar? Wait, it is counting screen lines, not pixels... $ emacs -Q --eval '(tool-bar-mode)' #gives a window too short. ALT+F8 says it is 19 lines high. From unknown Sat Jun 21 03:29:25 2025 X-Loop: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: bug#3643: emacs -Q doesn't fit on the user's screen Resent-From: Jan =?UTF-8?Q?Dj=C3=A4rv?= Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:32:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 3643 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 3643-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B3643.126356951310643 (code B ref 3643); Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:32:02 +0000 Received: (at 3643) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jan 2010 15:31:53 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NVo9R-0002lc-29 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 10:31:53 -0500 Received: from proxy1.bredband.net ([195.54.101.71]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NVo9N-0002lV-3V for 3643@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 10:31:51 -0500 Received: from ipb1.telenor.se (195.54.127.164) by proxy1.bredband.net (7.3.140.3) id 4AD3E1C00264A628 for 3643@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:31:43 +0100 X-SMTPAUTH-B2: X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq9EAMcYUEtV4S1uPGdsb2JhbACBRIZwk0QBAQEBN7xkhDEE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,282,1262559600"; d="scan'208";a="26859871" Received: from c-6e2de155.25-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO coolsville.localdomain) ([85.225.45.110]) by ipb1.telenor.se with ESMTP; 15 Jan 2010 16:31:43 +0100 Received: from [172.20.199.2] (gaffa [172.20.199.2]) by coolsville.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A8F37FA01A; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:31:42 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4B508A5E.4010701@swipnet.se> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:31:42 +0100 From: Jan =?UTF-8?Q?Dj=C3=A4rv?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090817) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jidanni@jidanni.org References: <878wbzy38d.fsf@jidanni.org> In-Reply-To: <878wbzy38d.fsf@jidanni.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -2.9 (--) Cc: rfrancoise@debian.org, 3643@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.9 (--) jidanni@jidanni.org skrev: > On my 800x480 eeepc, > $ emacs -Q > ALT+F8 says the window is 21 lines high. > Since the minibuffer is below the screen, in the scratch buffer, type > (tool-bar-mode)C-x C-e > The tool bar dissapears, ALT+F8 still reports the screen is 21 lines long, > but finally all fits. > Is this an icewm bug, reporting the same size with or without toolbar? > Wait, it is counting screen lines, not pixels... Depending on which Emacs version (Gtk+, Lucid, ...) the tool bar may or may not be counted in the lines available for editing, that is what the window manager reports. > $ emacs -Q --eval '(tool-bar-mode)' #gives a window too short. ALT+F8 > says it is 19 lines high. Too short for what? How tall the initial frame becomes when no height has been specified is undefined, i.e. it can be anything. Jan D. From unknown Sat Jun 21 03:29:25 2025 X-Loop: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: bug#3643: emacs -Q doesn't fit on the user's screen Resent-From: Jan =?UTF-8?Q?Dj=C3=A4rv?= Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:10:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 3643 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 3643-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B3643.126357534621490 (code B ref 3643); Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:10:02 +0000 Received: (at 3643) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jan 2010 17:09:06 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NVpfV-0005aY-SO for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:09:06 -0500 Received: from proxy3.bredband.net ([195.54.101.73]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NVpfU-0005aA-7m for 3643@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:09:04 -0500 Received: from ipb1.telenor.se (195.54.127.164) by proxy3.bredband.net (7.3.140.3) id 4AD3E1BA02566DAC for 3643@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:08:58 +0100 X-SMTPAUTH-B2: X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArdMADwwUEtV4S1uPGdsb2JhbACBRIZwk0QBAQEBN71ChDEE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,282,1262559600"; d="scan'208";a="26879480" Received: from c-6e2de155.25-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO coolsville.localdomain) ([85.225.45.110]) by ipb1.telenor.se with ESMTP; 15 Jan 2010 18:08:58 +0100 Received: from [172.20.199.2] (gaffa [172.20.199.2]) by coolsville.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09FDD7FA01A; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:08:58 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4B50A129.4050509@swipnet.se> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:08:57 +0100 From: Jan =?UTF-8?Q?Dj=C3=A4rv?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090817) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jidanni@jidanni.org References: <878wbzy38d.fsf@jidanni.org> In-Reply-To: <878wbzy38d.fsf@jidanni.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -2.9 (--) Cc: rfrancoise@debian.org, 3643@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.9 (--) I've checked in a fix. Note that the emacs frame can still end up outside the visible area, icewm doesn't take care of placing Emacs at +0+0 when that is what it takes to make Emacs fully visible. Moving Emacs there should make Emacs fully visible. The adjustment of size to the desktop may not work if a bigger font is set in elisp. Jan D. jidanni@jidanni.org skrev: > On my 800x480 eeepc, > $ emacs -Q > ALT+F8 says the window is 21 lines high. > Since the minibuffer is below the screen, in the scratch buffer, type > (tool-bar-mode)C-x C-e > The tool bar dissapears, ALT+F8 still reports the screen is 21 lines long, > but finally all fits. > Is this an icewm bug, reporting the same size with or without toolbar? > Wait, it is counting screen lines, not pixels... > $ emacs -Q --eval '(tool-bar-mode)' #gives a window too short. ALT+F8 > says it is 19 lines high. From unknown Sat Jun 21 03:29:25 2025 X-Loop: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: bug#3643: emacs -Q doesn't fit on the user's screen In-Reply-To: <87d48x5n1a.fsf@jidanni.org> Resent-From: jidanni@jidanni.org Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 01:11:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 3643 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 3643-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B3643.126360426011609 (code B ref 3643); Sat, 16 Jan 2010 01:11:01 +0000 Received: (at 3643) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Jan 2010 01:11:00 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NVxBr-00031C-VB for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 20:11:00 -0500 Received: from caiajhbdcbbj.dreamhost.com ([208.97.132.119] helo=homiemail-a4.g.dreamhost.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NVxBp-00030y-LS for 3643@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 20:10:58 -0500 Received: from jidanni.org (218-163-5-183.dynamic.hinet.net [218.163.5.183]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by homiemail-a4.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAA13418B2; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:10:52 -0800 (PST) From: jidanni@jidanni.org To: jan.h.d@swipnet.se References: <4B50A129.4050509@swipnet.se> Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 09:10:50 +0800 Message-ID: <877hrij1lx.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -3.1 (---) Cc: rfrancoise@debian.org, 3643@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.1 (---) JD> I've checked in a fix. Thanks. I'll test it upon the next Debian emacs-snapshot. From unknown Sat Jun 21 03:29:25 2025 X-Loop: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: bug#3643: emacs -Q doesn't fit on the user's screen References: <87d48x5n1a.fsf@jidanni.org> In-Reply-To: <87d48x5n1a.fsf@jidanni.org> Resent-From: jidanni@jidanni.org Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 03:59:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 3643 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 3643-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B3643.12639598872463 (code B ref 3643); Wed, 20 Jan 2010 03:59:02 +0000 Received: (at 3643) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Jan 2010 03:58:07 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NXRhm-0000dg-NF for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 22:58:06 -0500 Received: from caiajhbdcbbj.dreamhost.com ([208.97.132.119] helo=homiemail-a7.g.dreamhost.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NXRhl-0000dJ-5W for 3643@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 22:58:06 -0500 Received: from jidanni.org (218-163-0-126.dynamic.hinet.net [218.163.0.126]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by homiemail-a7.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0AB1525C061; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 19:58:01 -0800 (PST) From: jidanni@jidanni.org To: jan.h.d@swipnet.se Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 11:57:58 +0800 Message-ID: <87zl491l89.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -3.2 (---) Cc: rfrancoise@debian.org, 3643@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.2 (---) Sorry, with emacs-snapshot version 1:20100118-1 there is still no improvement. $ emacs -Q does not fit on the users screen under icewm. Did you try it under icewm? OK, today I also tried it under LXDE. emacs -Q comes up... and the minibuffer is hidden underneath the LXDE toolbar! Here's what I did. # aptitude install lxde $ cat .xsession # http://wiki.lxde.org/en/Debian exec startlxde # nohup /etc/init.d/xdm restart From unknown Sat Jun 21 03:29:25 2025 X-Loop: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: bug#3643: emacs -Q doesn't fit on the user's screen Resent-From: Jan =?UTF-8?Q?Dj=C3=A4rv?= Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 06:27:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 3643 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 3643-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B3643.12639687809252 (code B ref 3643); Wed, 20 Jan 2010 06:27:02 +0000 Received: (at 3643) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Jan 2010 06:26:20 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NXU1D-0002PB-Lh for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 01:26:19 -0500 Received: from proxy3.bredband.net ([195.54.101.73]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NXU1B-0002P4-KT for 3643@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 01:26:18 -0500 Received: from ipb2.telenor.se (195.54.127.165) by proxy3.bredband.net (7.3.140.3) id 4AD3E1BA026D604E for 3643@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 07:26:13 +0100 X-SMTPAUTH-B2: X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Akg9AIowVktV4S1uPGdsb2JhbACBRpozAQEBATe6QYQ2BA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,308,1262559600"; d="scan'208";a="27891451" Received: from c-6e2de155.25-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO coolsville.localdomain) ([85.225.45.110]) by ipb2.telenor.se with ESMTP; 20 Jan 2010 07:26:13 +0100 Received: from [172.20.199.2] (gaffa [172.20.199.2]) by coolsville.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA8467FA01A; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 07:26:12 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4B56A204.6020702@swipnet.se> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 07:26:12 +0100 From: Jan =?UTF-8?Q?Dj=C3=A4rv?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090817) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jidanni@jidanni.org References: <87zl491l89.fsf@jidanni.org> In-Reply-To: <87zl491l89.fsf@jidanni.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -2.9 (--) Cc: rfrancoise@debian.org, 3643@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.9 (--) jidanni@jidanni.org skrev: > Sorry, with emacs-snapshot version 1:20100118-1 there is still no > improvement. > $ emacs -Q > does not fit on the users screen under icewm. Please provide details and screen shots. Like how many lines did emacs have, how many fits, did you start with -Q, do you change font, what is your display resolution. > Did you try it under icewm? > Yes, with 1024x768 and 800x600 with various fonts. > OK, today I also tried it under LXDE. > emacs -Q comes up... and the minibuffer is hidden underneath the LXDE > toolbar! > > Here's what I did. > # aptitude install lxde > $ cat .xsession # http://wiki.lxde.org/en/Debian > exec startlxde > # nohup /etc/init.d/xdm restart Again, details are missing. Jan D. From unknown Sat Jun 21 03:29:25 2025 X-Loop: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: bug#3643: emacs -Q doesn't fit on the user's screen In-Reply-To: <87d48x5n1a.fsf@jidanni.org> Resent-From: jidanni@jidanni.org Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 06:50:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 3643 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 3643-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B3643.12639701689924 (code B ref 3643); Wed, 20 Jan 2010 06:50:03 +0000 Received: (at 3643) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Jan 2010 06:49:28 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NXUNP-0002Zy-U3 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 01:49:28 -0500 Received: from caiajhbdcaib.dreamhost.com ([208.97.132.81] helo=homiemail-a5.g.dreamhost.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NXUNL-0002Zr-V5 for 3643@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 01:49:14 -0500 Received: from jidanni.org (218-163-0-126.dynamic.hinet.net [218.163.0.126]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by homiemail-a5.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F9D6BCB61; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 22:49:07 -0800 (PST) From: jidanni@jidanni.org To: jan.h.d@swipnet.se References: <4B56A204.6020702@swipnet.se> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 14:49:04 +0800 Message-ID: <87ska1e0f3.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -3.2 (---) Cc: rfrancoise@debian.org, 3643@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.1 (---) JD> Again, details are missing. Can you provide me with a script that I can run that will gather the exact information you need beyond the screenshots and details I gave earlier in this bug. For instance, as a total font dummy that I am, I need a script that can tell you what fonts it is using, because I don't really know... better yet, perhaps the Debian people can enhance their report-emacs-bug function so it will provide the missing information beyond what it gives currently: In GNU Emacs 23.1.91.1 (i486-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.18.6) of 2010-01-19 on elegiac, modified by Debian (emacs-snapshot package, version 1:20100118-1) Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.10704000 configured using `configure '--build' 'i486-linux-gnu' '--host' 'i486-linux-gnu' '--prefix=/usr' '--sharedstatedir=/var/lib' '--libexecdir=/usr/lib' '--localstatedir=/var' '--infodir=/usr/share/info' '--mandir=/usr/share/man' '--with-pop=yes' '--enable-locallisppath=/etc/emacs-snapshot:/etc/emacs:/usr/local/share/emacs/23.1.91/site-lisp:/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/23.1.91/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp' '--with-x=yes' '--with-x-toolkit=gtk' 'build_alias=i486-linux-gnu' 'host_alias=i486-linux-gnu' 'CFLAGS=-DDEBIAN -DSITELOAD_PURESIZE_EXTRA=5000 -g -O2' 'LDFLAGS=-g -Wl,--as-needed' 'CPPFLAGS='' Important settings: value of $LC_ALL: nil value of $LC_COLLATE: C value of $LC_CTYPE: zh_TW.UTF-8 value of $LC_MESSAGES: C value of $LC_MONETARY: nil value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil value of $LC_TIME: nil value of $LANG: zh_TW.UTF-8 value of $XMODIFIERS: @im=SCIM locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix default enable-multibyte-characters: t Major mode: Lisp Interaction Minor modes in effect: tooltip-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t tool-bar-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t Recent input: x r e p o r C-g x r e p o r Recent messages: For information about GNU Emacs and the GNU system, type C-h C-a. Quit Making completion list... Load-path shadows: /usr/share/emacs/23.1.91/site-lisp/debian-startup hides /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/debian-startup /usr/share/emacs/23.1.91/site-lisp/html-helper-mode/tempo hides /usr/share/emacs/23.1.91/lisp/tempo /usr/share/emacs/23.1.91/site-lisp/css-mode/css-mode hides /usr/share/emacs/23.1.91/lisp/textmodes/css-mode Features: (shadow sort mail-extr message sendmail regexp-opt ecomplete rfc822 mml mml-sec password-cache mm-decode mm-bodies mm-encode mailcap mail-parse rfc2231 rfc2047 rfc2045 qp ietf-drums mailabbrev nnheader gnus-util netrc time-date mm-util mail-prsvr gmm-utils wid-edit mailheader canlock sha1 hex-util hashcash mail-utils emacsbug help-mode easymenu view china-util tooltip ediff-hook vc-hooks lisp-float-type mwheel x-win x-dnd font-setting tool-bar dnd fontset image fringe lisp-mode register page menu-bar rfn-eshadow timer select scroll-bar mldrag mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax facemenu font-core frame cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese hebrew greek romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help simple abbrev loaddefs button minibuffer faces cus-face files text-properties overlay md5 base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget hashtable-print-readable backquote make-network-process dbusbind font-render-setting gtk x-toolkit x multi-tty emacs) From unknown Sat Jun 21 03:29:25 2025 X-Loop: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: bug#3643: emacs -Q doesn't fit on the user's screen In-Reply-To: <87d48x5n1a.fsf@jidanni.org> Resent-From: jidanni@jidanni.org Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 06:54:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 3643 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 3643-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B3643.126397041010069 (code B ref 3643); 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charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -3.1 (---) Cc: rfrancoise@debian.org, 3643@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.1 (---) $ pstree -alA |-xdm | |-Xorg :0 vt7 -nolisten tcp -dpi 84 -auth /var/lib/xdm/authdir/authfiles/A:0-KYG4mA | `-xdm | `-ck-launch-sessi /usr/bin/dbus-launch --exit-with-session sh /home/jidanni/.xsession | |-sh /home/jidanni/.xsession | | |-icewm-session | | | |-icewm | | | |-icewmbg | | | `-icewmtray | | `-xterm -class UXTerm -title uxterm -u8 | | `-bash | | |-bash | | | `-emacs-snapshot -Q From unknown Sat Jun 21 03:29:25 2025 X-Loop: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: bug#3643: emacs -Q doesn't fit on the user's screen Resent-From: Jan =?UTF-8?Q?Dj=C3=A4rv?= Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 07:19:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 3643 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 3643-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B3643.126397189610777 (code B ref 3643); Wed, 20 Jan 2010 07:19:02 +0000 Received: (at 3643) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Jan 2010 07:18:16 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NXUpT-0002nk-6B for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 02:18:15 -0500 Received: from proxy1.bredband.net ([195.54.101.71]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NXUpR-0002nf-J2 for 3643@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 02:18:14 -0500 Received: from ipb1.telenor.se (195.54.127.164) by proxy1.bredband.net (7.3.140.3) id 4AD3E1C0027C8211 for 3643@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 08:18:09 +0100 X-SMTPAUTH-B2: X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqpAAH88VktV4S1uPGdsb2JhbACBRoZwk0IBAQEBN7orhDYE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,308,1262559600"; d="scan'208";a="27903706" Received: from c-6e2de155.25-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO coolsville.localdomain) ([85.225.45.110]) by ipb1.telenor.se with ESMTP; 20 Jan 2010 08:18:09 +0100 Received: from [172.20.199.2] (gaffa [172.20.199.2]) by coolsville.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAD577FA01A; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 08:18:08 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4B56AE30.4090109@swipnet.se> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 08:18:08 +0100 From: Jan =?UTF-8?Q?Dj=C3=A4rv?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090817) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jidanni@jidanni.org References: <4B56A204.6020702@swipnet.se> <87ska1e0f3.fsf@jidanni.org> In-Reply-To: <87ska1e0f3.fsf@jidanni.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -2.9 (--) Cc: rfrancoise@debian.org, 3643@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.9 (--) jidanni@jidanni.org skrev: > JD> Again, details are missing. > Can you provide me with a script that I can run that will gather the > exact information you need beyond the screenshots and details I gave > earlier in this bug. For instance, as a total font dummy that I am, I > need a script that can tell you what fonts it is using, because I don't > really know... better yet, perhaps the Debian people can enhance their > report-emacs-bug function so it will provide the missing information > beyond what it gives currently: Just put the cursor on one character in Emacs *scratch* buffer and do C-u C-x = That gives you the font. % xwininfo -all and click in Emacs gives window sizes. % xwininfo -frame and click the window manager title bar for Emacs gives size of the title bar. That last part may be it though. As the title bar size isn't known at frame create time, we can't adjust for it. I'll have to think about that. A better strategy might be if 40 lines doesn't seem to fit, just try 20. If that doesn't seem to fit, try 10. Jan D. From unknown Sat Jun 21 03:29:25 2025 X-Loop: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: bug#3643: emacs -Q doesn't fit on the user's screen In-Reply-To: <87d48x5n1a.fsf@jidanni.org> Resent-From: jidanni@jidanni.org Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 07:32:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 3643 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 3643-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B3643.126397271811238 (code B ref 3643); Wed, 20 Jan 2010 07:32:01 +0000 Received: (at 3643) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Jan 2010 07:31:58 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NXV2k-0002vD-3V for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 02:31:58 -0500 Received: from caiajhbdcbhh.dreamhost.com ([208.97.132.177] helo=homiemail-a37.g.dreamhost.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NXV2h-0002v5-EU for 3643@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 02:31:56 -0500 Received: from jidanni.org (218-163-0-126.dynamic.hinet.net [218.163.0.126]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by homiemail-a37.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AC634D76E; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 23:31:50 -0800 (PST) From: jidanni@jidanni.org To: jan.h.d@swipnet.se References: <4B56AE30.4090109@swipnet.se> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 15:31:48 +0800 Message-ID: <878wbtdyfv.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -3.1 (---) Cc: rfrancoise@debian.org, 3643@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.1 (---) >>>>> "JD" =3D=3D Jan Dj=C3=A4rv writes: JD> Just put the cursor on one character in Emacs *scratch* buffer and do JD> C-u C-x =3D JD> That gives you the font. character: ; (59, #o73, #x3b) preferred charset: ascii (ASCII (ISO646 IRV)) code point: 0x3B syntax: < which means: comment category: .:Base, a:ASCII, l:Latin, r:Roman buffer code: #x3B file code: #x3B (encoded by coding system utf-8-unix) display: by this font (glyph code) xft:-unknown-DejaVu Sans Mono-normal-normal-normal-*-14-*-*-*-m-0-iso= 10646-1 (#x1E) Character code properties: customize what to show name: SEMICOLON general-category: Po (Punctuation, Other) There are text properties here: face font-lock-comment-delimiter-face fontified t JD> % xwininfo -all JD> and click in Emacs gives window sizes. xwininfo: Window id: 0x1800016 "emacs-snapshot@jidanni2.jidanni.org" Root window id: 0xff (the root window) (has no name) Parent window id: 0xc17c1b (has no name) 2 children: 0x1800033 (has no name): () 672x680+0+62 +4+98 0x1800017 (has no name): () 1x1+-1+-1 +3+35 Absolute upper-left X: 4 Absolute upper-left Y: 36 Relative upper-left X: 0 Relative upper-left Y: 0 Width: 672 Height: 742 Depth: 24 Visual: 0x21 Visual Class: TrueColor Border width: 0 Class: InputOutput Colormap: 0x20 (installed) Bit Gravity State: NorthWestGravity Window Gravity State: NorthWestGravity Backing Store State: NotUseful Save Under State: no Map State: IsViewable Override Redirect State: no Corners: +4+36 -348+36 -348--10 +4--10 -geometry 80x40+0+12 Bit gravity: NorthWestGravity Window gravity: NorthWestGravity Backing-store hint: NotUseful Backing-planes to be preserved: 0xffffffff Backing pixel: 0 Save-unders: No Someone wants these events: KeyPress KeyRelease ButtonPress ButtonRelease EnterWindow LeaveWindow PointerMotion Exposure VisibilityChange StructureNotify FocusChange PropertyChange ColormapChange Do not propagate these events: Override redirection?: No Window manager hints: Client accepts input or input focus: Yes Initial state is Normal State Normal window size hints: Program supplied minimum size: 48 by 96 Program supplied base size: 32 by 62 Program supplied x resize increment: 8 Program supplied y resize increment: 17 Program supplied minimum size in resize increments: 6 by 5 Program supplied base size in resize increments: 4 by 3 Program supplied window gravity: NorthWestGravity No zoom window size hints defined No window shape defined No border shape defined JD> % xwininfo -frame JD> and click the window manager title bar for Emacs gives size of the ti= tle bar. xwininfo: Window id: 0xc000bf (has no name) Absolute upper-left X: 0 Absolute upper-left Y: 742 Relative upper-left X: 0 Relative upper-left Y: 742 Width: 1024 Height: 26 Depth: 24 Visual: 0x21 Visual Class: TrueColor Border width: 0 Class: InputOutput Colormap: 0x20 (installed) Bit Gravity State: ForgetGravity Window Gravity State: NorthWestGravity Backing Store State: NotUseful Save Under State: no Map State: IsViewable Override Redirect State: yes Corners: +0+742 -0+742 -0-0 +0-0 -geometry 1024x26+0-0 JD> That last part may be it though. As the title bar size isn't known a= t JD> frame create time, we can't adjust for it. I'll have to think about JD> that. All I know is firefox etc. never was bigger than xwindows. JD> A better strategy might be if 40 lines doesn't seem to fit, just try = 20. JD> If that doesn't seem to fit, try 10. Well if it can detect that it can't fit then maybe it can detect how big it should be. OK, I did xwininfo -all in Firefox, just for comparison. It fits perfectly. Of course this is not a vanilla install of firefox, all I know is the vertical dimensions of emacs should be no bigger, as this fits perfectly. xwininfo: Window id: 0x1a00039 "WWWOFFLE Index - Last Time Online Pages -= Iceweasel" Root window id: 0xff (the root window) (has no name) Parent window id: 0xc18ec6 (has no name) 2 children: 0x1a000f3 (has no name): () 1020x719+0+0 +4+23 1 child: 0x1a0008f (has no name): () 1020x719+0+0 +4+23 1 child: 0x1a000f2 (has no name): () 1020x604+0+93 +4+116 1 child: 0x1a0019a (has no name): () 1005x589+0+0 +4+116 0x1a0003a (has no name): () 1x1+-1+-1 +3+22 Absolute upper-left X: 4 Absolute upper-left Y: 23 Relative upper-left X: 0 Relative upper-left Y: 0 Width: 1020 Height: 719 Depth: 24 Visual: 0x21 Visual Class: TrueColor Border width: 0 Class: InputOutput Colormap: 0x20 (installed) Bit Gravity State: NorthWestGravity Window Gravity State: NorthWestGravity Backing Store State: NotUseful Save Under State: no Map State: IsViewable Override Redirect State: no Corners: +4+23 -0+23 -0-26 +4-26 -geometry 1020x719+0+-1 Bit gravity: NorthWestGravity Window gravity: NorthWestGravity Backing-store hint: NotUseful Backing-planes to be preserved: 0xffffffff Backing pixel: 0 Save-unders: No Someone wants these events: KeyPress KeyRelease ButtonPress ButtonRelease EnterWindow LeaveWindow PointerMotion Exposure VisibilityChange StructureNotify FocusChange PropertyChange ColormapChange Do not propagate these events: Override redirection?: No Window manager hints: Client accepts input or input focus: Yes Initial state is Normal State Normal window size hints: Program supplied minimum size: 0 by 0 Program supplied window gravity: NorthWestGravity No zoom window size hints defined No window shape defined No border shape defined From unknown Sat Jun 21 03:29:25 2025 X-Loop: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: bug#3643: emacs -Q doesn't fit on the user's screen Resent-From: Jan =?UTF-8?Q?Dj=C3=A4rv?= Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 08:28:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 3643 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 3643-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B3643.126397607113194 (code B ref 3643); Wed, 20 Jan 2010 08:28:01 +0000 Received: (at 3643) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Jan 2010 08:27:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NXVuo-0003Ql-LL for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 03:27:50 -0500 Received: from proxy1.bredband.net ([195.54.101.71]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NXVum-0003Qf-SZ for 3643@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 03:27:49 -0500 Received: from ipb2.telenor.se (195.54.127.165) by proxy1.bredband.net (7.3.140.3) id 4AD3E1C0027CDB29 for 3643@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 09:27:45 +0100 X-SMTPAUTH-B2: X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArNAALRMVktV4S1uPGdsb2JhbACBRoIbhFWTQgEBAQE3rAaOKoEtgjNWBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,308,1262559600"; d="scan'208";a="27914944" Received: from c-6e2de155.25-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO coolsville.localdomain) ([85.225.45.110]) by ipb2.telenor.se with ESMTP; 20 Jan 2010 09:27:44 +0100 Received: from [172.20.199.2] (gaffa [172.20.199.2]) by coolsville.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FB877FA01A; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 09:27:44 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4B56BE80.6080307@swipnet.se> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 09:27:44 +0100 From: Jan =?UTF-8?Q?Dj=C3=A4rv?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090817) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jidanni@jidanni.org References: <4B56AE30.4090109@swipnet.se> <878wbtdyfv.fsf@jidanni.org> In-Reply-To: <878wbtdyfv.fsf@jidanni.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) Cc: rfrancoise@debian.org, 3643@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) jidanni@jidanni.org skrev: >>>>>> "JD" =3D=3D Jan Dj=C3=A4rv writes: > JD> That last part may be it though. As the title bar size isn't known= at > JD> frame create time, we can't adjust for it. I'll have to think abou= t > JD> that. > All I know is firefox etc. never was bigger than xwindows. > JD> A better strategy might be if 40 lines doesn't seem to fit, just tr= y 20. > JD> If that doesn't seem to fit, try 10. > Well if it can detect that it can't fit then maybe it can detect how bi= g > it should be. Actually, it can only detect when it is way too big. In the case when it= =20 almost fits, i.e. off by one line or so, it must guess. > OK, I did xwininfo -all in Firefox, just for comparison. It fits > perfectly. Of course this is not a vanilla install of firefox, all I > know is the vertical dimensions of emacs should be no bigger, as this > fits perfectly. The main reason is that Firefox calculates its window height before mappi= ng=20 the window. Emacs on the other hand first maps with tool bar off and lat= er=20 adds that (in lisp) and the menu bar. Font changes in lisp are also appl= ied=20 after the window is shown. Jan D. From unknown Sat Jun 21 03:29:25 2025 X-Loop: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: bug#3643: emacs -Q doesn't fit on the user's screen Resent-From: martin rudalics Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 09:28:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 3643 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 3643-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B3643.126397966515170 (code B ref 3643); Wed, 20 Jan 2010 09:28:02 +0000 Received: (at 3643) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Jan 2010 09:27:45 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NXWqb-0003wd-Co for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 04:27:45 -0500 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by debbugs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NXWqY-0003wS-Ed for 3643@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 04:27:31 -0500 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 20 Jan 2010 09:27:26 -0000 Received: from 62-47-53-136.adsl.highway.telekom.at (EHLO [62.47.53.136]) [62.47.53.136] by mail.gmx.net (mp022) with SMTP; 20 Jan 2010 10:27:26 +0100 X-Authenticated: #14592706 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18V13Rb9UQVgydiZdQpeEMEf/dgGlTOp8MbkdvCDQ BqwiP6TfJZtr4J Message-ID: <4B56CC7C.8030409@gmx.at> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 10:27:24 +0100 From: martin rudalics User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jan =?UTF-8?Q?Dj=C3=A4rv?= References: <4B56AE30.4090109@swipnet.se> <878wbtdyfv.fsf@jidanni.org> <4B56BE80.6080307@swipnet.se> In-Reply-To: <4B56BE80.6080307@swipnet.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.80000000000000004 X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) Cc: rfrancoise@debian.org, 3643@debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@jidanni.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) > The main reason is that Firefox calculates its window height before > mapping the window. Emacs on the other hand first maps with tool bar > off and later adds that (in lisp) and the menu bar. Font changes in > lisp are also applied after the window is shown. The main reason is that adding/removing the toolbar or changing the font are allowed to change the height of the Emacs frame in order to keep the number of displayed lines constant. This looks like an eternal pain to me. Can't we make this feature customizable at least? martin From unknown Sat Jun 21 03:29:25 2025 X-Loop: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: bug#3643: emacs -Q doesn't fit on the user's screen Resent-From: Jan =?UTF-8?Q?Dj=C3=A4rv?= Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 09:59:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 3643 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 3643-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B3643.126398150616196 (code B ref 3643); Wed, 20 Jan 2010 09:59:02 +0000 Received: (at 3643) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Jan 2010 09:58:26 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NXXKU-0004DB-7o for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 04:58:26 -0500 Received: from proxy3.bredband.net ([195.54.101.73]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NXXKS-0004D4-8H for 3643@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 04:58:25 -0500 Received: from ipb2.telenor.se (195.54.127.165) by proxy3.bredband.net (7.3.140.3) id 4AD3E1BA026E8E7A for 3643@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 10:58:20 +0100 X-SMTPAUTH-B2: X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArNAALJiVktV4S1uPGdsb2JhbACBRoIbhFWTQgEBAQE3rC+OIoEtgjNWBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,309,1262559600"; d="scan'208";a="27940865" Received: from c-6e2de155.25-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO coolsville.localdomain) ([85.225.45.110]) by ipb2.telenor.se with ESMTP; 20 Jan 2010 10:58:20 +0100 Received: from [172.20.199.2] (gaffa [172.20.199.2]) by coolsville.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTP id E85AC7FA01A; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 10:58:19 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4B56D3BB.4050709@swipnet.se> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 10:58:19 +0100 From: Jan =?UTF-8?Q?Dj=C3=A4rv?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090817) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: martin rudalics References: <4B56AE30.4090109@swipnet.se> <878wbtdyfv.fsf@jidanni.org> <4B56BE80.6080307@swipnet.se> <4B56CC7C.8030409@gmx.at> In-Reply-To: <4B56CC7C.8030409@gmx.at> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) Cc: rfrancoise@debian.org, 3643@debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@jidanni.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) martin rudalics skrev: > > The main reason is that Firefox calculates its window height before > > mapping the window. Emacs on the other hand first maps with tool bar > > off and later adds that (in lisp) and the menu bar. Font changes in > > lisp are also applied after the window is shown. > > The main reason is that adding/removing the toolbar or changing the font > are allowed to change the height of the Emacs frame in order to keep the > number of displayed lines constant. This looks like an eternal pain to > me. Can't we make this feature customizable at least? > It is not that simple, tool bar and/or menu bar may not be an integral number of lines. Also, if a 10 pt font fits 20 lines perfectly on 340 pixels, an 11 point font doesn't fit an integral number of lines in 340 pixels, it takes 342 or 324. Now most applications don't care, as they aren't text editors, so they don't try to display an integral of text lines. However, gnome-terminal and xterm do, and they resize when you change font. What to do with the excess? Some strip at the top that picks up the slack? Now it got complicated. Jan D. From unknown Sat Jun 21 03:29:25 2025 X-Loop: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: bug#3643: emacs -Q doesn't fit on the user's screen Resent-From: martin rudalics Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 11:00:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 3643 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 3643-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B3643.126398518018129 (code B ref 3643); Wed, 20 Jan 2010 11:00:03 +0000 Received: (at 3643) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Jan 2010 10:59:40 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NXYHj-0004iM-OW for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 05:59:40 -0500 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by debbugs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NXYHh-0004iH-4d for 3643@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 05:59:37 -0500 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 20 Jan 2010 10:59:33 -0000 Received: from 62-47-53-136.adsl.highway.telekom.at (EHLO [62.47.53.136]) [62.47.53.136] by mail.gmx.net (mp018) with SMTP; 20 Jan 2010 11:59:33 +0100 X-Authenticated: #14592706 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+6JedhuGy6nVbsmvuMzTs9pge3NtDtVjSW3ulpTz iI3I14hfsE+kZn Message-ID: <4B56E213.60008@gmx.at> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 11:59:31 +0100 From: martin rudalics User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jan =?UTF-8?Q?Dj=C3=A4rv?= References: <4B56AE30.4090109@swipnet.se> <878wbtdyfv.fsf@jidanni.org> <4B56BE80.6080307@swipnet.se> <4B56CC7C.8030409@gmx.at> <4B56D3BB.4050709@swipnet.se> In-Reply-To: <4B56D3BB.4050709@swipnet.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.68999999999999995 X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) Cc: rfrancoise@debian.org, 3643@debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@jidanni.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) > It is not that simple, tool bar and/or menu bar may not be an integral > number of lines. Also, if a 10 pt font fits 20 lines perfectly on 340 > pixels, an 11 point font doesn't fit an integral number of lines in 340 > pixels, it takes 342 or 324. > Now most applications don't care, as they aren't text editors, so they > don't try to display an integral of text lines. However, gnome-terminal > and xterm do, and they resize when you change font. Why do we care so much about displaying integral numbers of text lines? With side-by-side Emacs windows displaying texts with different heights this issue is moot anyway. > What to do with the excess? Some strip at the top that picks up the > slack? Now it got complicated. On Windows a maximized Emacs frame initially does not occupy the entire screen here. After resizing the minibuffer once it does by making the minibuffer apprently stretch below the bottom of my screen. So at least for running Emacs maximized these issues have been or eventually have to be resolved. It should be only a small step to generalize the strategy used for maximized frames to arbitrary frame sizes. martin From unknown Sat Jun 21 03:29:25 2025 X-Loop: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: bug#3643: emacs -Q doesn't fit on the user's screen Resent-From: Jan =?UTF-8?Q?Dj=C3=A4rv?= Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 11:15:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 3643 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 3643-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B3643.126398606318563 (code B ref 3643); Wed, 20 Jan 2010 11:15:02 +0000 Received: (at 3643) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Jan 2010 11:14:23 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NXYVz-0004pL-5S for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 06:14:23 -0500 Received: from proxy2.bredband.net ([195.54.101.72]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NXYVj-0004p5-Fk for 3643@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 06:14:21 -0500 Received: from ipb2.telenor.se (195.54.127.165) by proxy2.bredband.net (7.3.140.3) id 4AD3E1BC028153B8 for 3643@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:14:04 +0100 X-SMTPAUTH-B2: X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Apo4AIN0VktV4S1uPGdsb2JhbACBRoIbhFWTQgEBAQE3rGWOJ4EtgjNWBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,309,1262559600"; d="scan'208";a="27962844" Received: from c-6e2de155.25-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO coolsville.localdomain) ([85.225.45.110]) by ipb2.telenor.se with ESMTP; 20 Jan 2010 12:14:03 +0100 Received: from [172.20.199.2] (gaffa [172.20.199.2]) by coolsville.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTP id C99D87FA01A; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:14:02 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4B56E57A.2020700@swipnet.se> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:14:02 +0100 From: Jan =?UTF-8?Q?Dj=C3=A4rv?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090817) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: martin rudalics References: <4B56AE30.4090109@swipnet.se> <878wbtdyfv.fsf@jidanni.org> <4B56BE80.6080307@swipnet.se> <4B56CC7C.8030409@gmx.at> <4B56D3BB.4050709@swipnet.se> <4B56E213.60008@gmx.at> In-Reply-To: <4B56E213.60008@gmx.at> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) Cc: rfrancoise@debian.org, 3643@debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@jidanni.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) martin rudalics skrev: > > It is not that simple, tool bar and/or menu bar may not be an integral > > number of lines. Also, if a 10 pt font fits 20 lines perfectly on 340 > > pixels, an 11 point font doesn't fit an integral number of lines in 340 > > pixels, it takes 342 or 324. > > Now most applications don't care, as they aren't text editors, so they > > don't try to display an integral of text lines. However, gnome-terminal > > and xterm do, and they resize when you change font. > > Why do we care so much about displaying integral numbers of text lines? > With side-by-side Emacs windows displaying texts with different heights > this issue is moot anyway. It is a user interface issue to get Emacs to try to avoid showing partial lines, I guess. > > > What to do with the excess? Some strip at the top that picks up the > > slack? Now it got complicated. > > On Windows a maximized Emacs frame initially does not occupy the entire > screen here. After resizing the minibuffer once it does by making the > minibuffer apprently stretch below the bottom of my screen. So at least > for running Emacs maximized these issues have been or eventually have to > be resolved. It should be only a small step to generalize the strategy > used for maximized frames to arbitrary frame sizes. > It is true that a maximized Emacs may in fact not show an integral number of lines. The slack in that case is taken up by the minibuffer or the last line which may show a partial line. Jan D. From unknown Sat Jun 21 03:29:25 2025 X-Loop: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: bug#3643: emacs -Q doesn't fit on the user's screen Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 14:18:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 3643 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 3643-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B3643.12640834809069 (code B ref 3643); Thu, 21 Jan 2010 14:18:01 +0000 Received: (at 3643) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Jan 2010 14:18:00 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NXxrD-0002ME-DU for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 09:17:59 -0500 Received: from chene.dit.umontreal.ca ([132.204.246.20]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NXxrB-0002M9-V6 for 3643@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 09:17:58 -0500 Received: from ceviche.home (faina.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.26.177]) by chene.dit.umontreal.ca (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o0LEHmZ9011295; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 09:17:49 -0500 Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id D89017001E; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 09:12:44 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Monnier To: martin rudalics Message-ID: References: <4B56AE30.4090109@swipnet.se> <878wbtdyfv.fsf@jidanni.org> <4B56BE80.6080307@swipnet.se> <4B56CC7C.8030409@gmx.at> <4B56D3BB.4050709@swipnet.se> <4B56E213.60008@gmx.at> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 09:12:44 -0500 In-Reply-To: <4B56E213.60008@gmx.at> (martin rudalics's message of "Wed, 20 Jan 2010 11:59:31 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.91 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-NAI-Spam-Score: 0 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 1 Rules triggered RV3452=0 X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Cc: Jan =?UTF-8?Q?Dj=C3=A4rv?= , rfrancoise@debian.org, 3643@debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@jidanni.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > Why do we care so much about displaying integral numbers of text lines? IIUC this is because the redisplay code is based around the idea of lines of texts, still. Last I heard, Kim Storm had started work on getting rid of those assumptions, but since he's not very active here any more, I don't know what came of it. If someone else wants to pick up this work, that would be great, Stefan From unknown Sat Jun 21 03:29:25 2025 X-Loop: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: bug#3643: emacs -Q doesn't fit on the user's screen In-Reply-To: <87d48x5n1a.fsf@jidanni.org> Resent-From: jidanni@jidanni.org Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 23:56:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 3643 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 3643-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B3643.126411815128522 (code B ref 3643); Thu, 21 Jan 2010 23:56:02 +0000 Received: (at 3643) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Jan 2010 23:55:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NY6sR-0007Pz-Kv for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 18:55:51 -0500 Received: from caiajhbdcagg.dreamhost.com ([208.97.132.66] helo=homiemail-a3.g.dreamhost.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NY6sP-0007Pt-Lz for 3643@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 18:55:50 -0500 Received: from jidanni.org (218-163-4-53.dynamic.hinet.net [218.163.4.53]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by homiemail-a3.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E902C5CF3 for <3643@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 15:55:43 -0800 (PST) From: jidanni@jidanni.org To: 3643@debbugs.gnu.org References: <4B56AE30.4090109@swipnet.se> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 07:53:43 +0800 Message-ID: <87eilj9fqw.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -3.1 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.1 (---) I still haven't heard anybody say they can reproduce this. Anybody still use 15" monitors in 1024x768 mode? With icewm or lxde, there comes up emacs -Q, with its modeline and minibuffer completely underneath the toolbar. The first time user is aghast. I see size 14 fonts were used. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jan 21 23:06:20 2010 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Jan 2010 04:06:20 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NYAme-0000lw-4k for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 23:06:20 -0500 Received: from caiajhbdccah.dreamhost.com ([208.97.132.207] helo=homiemail-a4.g.dreamhost.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NYAmc-0000lZ-Gv for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 23:06:07 -0500 Received: from jidanni.org (218-163-4-53.dynamic.hinet.net [218.163.4.53]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by homiemail-a4.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4208F418E1 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 20:06:02 -0800 (PST) From: jidanni@jidanni.org To: control@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 12:05:58 +0800 Message-ID: <878wbqzsux.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -2.2 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.2 (--) forcemerge 3643 4995 From unknown Sat Jun 21 03:29:25 2025 X-Loop: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: bug#3643: emacs -Q doesn't fit on the user's screen Resent-From: Jan =?UTF-8?Q?Dj=C3=A4rv?= Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 07:53:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 3643 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: To: jidanni@jidanni.org Cc: rfrancoise@debian.org, 3643@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 3643-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B3643.126440594226057 (code B ref 3643); Mon, 25 Jan 2010 07:53:01 +0000 Received: (at 3643) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Jan 2010 07:52:22 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NZJkD-0006mE-Qn for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 02:52:21 -0500 Received: from proxy3.bredband.net ([195.54.101.73]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NZJkC-0006m9-BT for 3643@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 02:52:21 -0500 Received: from ipb1.telenor.se (195.54.127.164) by proxy3.bredband.net (7.3.140.3) id 4AD3E1BA028BE911 for 3643@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 08:52:16 +0100 X-SMTPAUTH-B2: X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao85ADPcXEtV4S1uPGdsb2JhbACBRoIchFKTSQEBAQE3q2GOB4EsgjZZBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,338,1262559600"; d="scan'208";a="29181129" Received: from c-6e2de155.25-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO coolsville.localdomain) ([85.225.45.110]) by ipb1.telenor.se with ESMTP; 25 Jan 2010 08:52:16 +0100 Received: from [172.20.199.2] (gaffa [172.20.199.2]) by coolsville.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTP id 829427FA01A; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 08:52:15 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4B5D4DAF.7080008@swipnet.se> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 08:52:15 +0100 From: Jan =?UTF-8?Q?Dj=C3=A4rv?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090817) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4B56AE30.4090109@swipnet.se> <878wbtdyfv.fsf@jidanni.org> <4B56BE80.6080307@swipnet.se> In-Reply-To: <4B56BE80.6080307@swipnet.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) Jan Dj=C3=A4rv skrev: > jidanni@jidanni.org skrev: >>>>>>> "JD" =3D=3D Jan Dj=C3=A4rv writes: >> JD> That last part may be it though. As the title bar size isn't=20 >> known at >> JD> frame create time, we can't adjust for it. I'll have to think abo= ut >> JD> that. >> All I know is firefox etc. never was bigger than xwindows. >> JD> A better strategy might be if 40 lines doesn't seem to fit, just=20 >> try 20. >> JD> If that doesn't seem to fit, try 10. >> Well if it can detect that it can't fit then maybe it can detect how b= ig >> it should be. >=20 > Actually, it can only detect when it is way too big. In the case when=20 > it almost fits, i.e. off by one line or so, it must guess. >=20 I made some changes. If 40 doesn't fit we try 24. If that doesn't fit w= e=20 just use 10. Of course, very big window manager decorations or window ma= nager=20 placement/size algorithms may still make Emacs too big. Jan D. From unknown Sat Jun 21 03:29:25 2025 X-Loop: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: bug#3643: emacs -Q doesn't fit on the user's screen In-Reply-To: <87d48x5n1a.fsf@jidanni.org> Resent-From: jidanni@jidanni.org Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 23:06:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 3643 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: To: jan.h.d@swipnet.se Cc: 3643@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 3643-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B3643.126446075430580 (code B ref 3643); Mon, 25 Jan 2010 23:06:01 +0000 Received: (at 3643) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Jan 2010 23:05:54 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NZY0H-0007xA-2n for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 18:05:53 -0500 Received: from caiajhbdcaid.dreamhost.com ([208.97.132.83] helo=homiemail-a10.g.dreamhost.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NZY0E-0007wy-Nc for 3643@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 18:05:51 -0500 Received: from jidanni.org (218-163-3-226.dynamic.hinet.net [218.163.3.226]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by homiemail-a10.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CB6AF28006E; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 15:05:42 -0800 (PST) From: jidanni@jidanni.org References: <4B5D4DAF.7080008@swipnet.se> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 07:05:39 +0800 Message-ID: <87hbq9aipo.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-=-=" X-Spam-Score: -3.1 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.1 (---) --=-=-= JD> I made some changes. If 40 doesn't fit we try 24. If that doesn't JD> fit we just use 10. 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who knows where the users toolbar are (since apparently "we can't see them in the dark"). Please also try $ emacs -Q& emacs -Q& emacs -Q& emacs -Q& Notice how the first and third have the minibuffer etc. end up underneath the toolbar at the bottom of the screen. Only the second and fourth are correctly fully on the screen. --=-=-=-- From unknown Sat Jun 21 03:29:25 2025 X-Loop: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: bug#3643: emacs -Q doesn't fit on the user's screen Resent-From: Jan =?UTF-8?Q?Dj=C3=A4rv?= Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 06:57:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 3643 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: To: jidanni@jidanni.org Cc: 3643-done@debbugs.gnu.org, 3643@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 3643-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B3643.12644889773547 (code B ref 3643); Tue, 26 Jan 2010 06:57:01 +0000 Received: (at 3643) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Jan 2010 06:56:17 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NZfLU-0000v9-2q for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 01:56:16 -0500 Received: from proxy1.bredband.net ([195.54.101.71]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NZfLR-0000ux-DY; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 01:56:14 -0500 Received: from ipb2.telenor.se (195.54.127.165) by proxy1.bredband.net (7.3.140.3) id 4AD3E1C002A3D45F; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 07:56:09 +0100 X-SMTPAUTH-B2: X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqhCAM8gXktV4S1uPGdsb2JhbACBRoZtk04BAQEBN7xIhDkE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,345,1262559600"; d="scan'208";a="29599741" Received: from c-6e2de155.25-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO coolsville.localdomain) ([85.225.45.110]) by ipb2.telenor.se with ESMTP; 26 Jan 2010 07:56:09 +0100 Received: from [172.20.199.13] (zeplin [172.20.199.13]) by coolsville.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9ADF77FA01A; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 07:56:08 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4B5E9209.1070208@swipnet.se> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 07:56:09 +0100 From: Jan =?UTF-8?Q?Dj=C3=A4rv?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; sv-SE; rv:1.9.1.7) Gecko/20100111 Thunderbird/3.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4B5D4DAF.7080008@swipnet.se> <87hbq9aipo.fsf@jidanni.org> In-Reply-To: <87hbq9aipo.fsf@jidanni.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) jidanni@jidanni.org skrev 2010-01-26 00.05: > JD> I made some changes. If 40 doesn't fit we try 24. If that doesn't > JD> fit we just use 10. > Well, you had better also glue it to the top left of the screen, or else > your latest attempt ends up like... > No, that is what I said erlier, it is up to your window manager placement routine to fix stuff like this. icewm is not so good here, but trying to fix shortcomings of window managers in Emacs is no use. You can file a bug to icewm about this. Closing this. Jan D. From unknown Sat Jun 21 03:29:25 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.427 (Entity 5.427) X-Loop: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org From: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org (Emacs bug Tracking System) To: jidanni@jidanni.org Subject: bug#3643 closed by Jan =?UTF-8?Q?Dj=C3=A4rv?= (Re: emacs -Q doesn't fit on the user's screen) Message-ID: References: <4B5E9209.1070208@swipnet.se> <87d48x5n1a.fsf@jidanni.org> X-Emacs-PR-Message: they-closed 3643 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs Reply-To: 3643@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 06:57:02 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1264489022-3565-1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1264489022-3565-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" This is an automatic notification regarding your bug report which was filed against the emacs package: #3643: minibuffer beyond end of screen in emacs23 It has been closed by Jan Dj=C3=A4rv . 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If this explanation is unsatisfactory and you have not received a better one in a separate message then please contact Jan Dj=C3=A4rv by replying to this email. --=20 3643: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D3643 Emacs Bug Tracking System Contact bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org with problems ------------=_1264489022-3565-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at 3643-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Jan 2010 06:56:17 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NZfLT-0000v6-Rf for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 01:56:16 -0500 Received: from proxy1.bredband.net ([195.54.101.71]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NZfLR-0000ux-DY; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 01:56:14 -0500 Received: from ipb2.telenor.se (195.54.127.165) by proxy1.bredband.net (7.3.140.3) id 4AD3E1C002A3D45F; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 07:56:09 +0100 X-SMTPAUTH-B2: X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqhCAM8gXktV4S1uPGdsb2JhbACBRoZtk04BAQEBN7xIhDkE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,345,1262559600"; d="scan'208";a="29599741" Received: from c-6e2de155.25-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO coolsville.localdomain) ([85.225.45.110]) by ipb2.telenor.se with ESMTP; 26 Jan 2010 07:56:09 +0100 Received: from [172.20.199.13] (zeplin [172.20.199.13]) by coolsville.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9ADF77FA01A; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 07:56:08 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4B5E9209.1070208@swipnet.se> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 07:56:09 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan_Dj=E4rv?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; sv-SE; rv:1.9.1.7) Gecko/20100111 Thunderbird/3.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jidanni@jidanni.org Subject: Re: emacs -Q doesn't fit on the user's screen References: <4B5D4DAF.7080008@swipnet.se> <87hbq9aipo.fsf@jidanni.org> In-Reply-To: <87hbq9aipo.fsf@jidanni.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 3643-done Cc: 3643-done@debbugs.gnu.org, 3643@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) jidanni@jidanni.org skrev 2010-01-26 00.05: > JD> I made some changes. If 40 doesn't fit we try 24. If that doesn't > JD> fit we just use 10. > Well, you had better also glue it to the top left of the screen, or else > your latest attempt ends up like... > No, that is what I said erlier, it is up to your window manager placement routine to fix stuff like this. icewm is not so good here, but trying to fix shortcomings of window managers in Emacs is no use. You can file a bug to icewm about this. Closing this. Jan D. ------------=_1264489022-3565-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 21 Jun 2009 21:36:37 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=4.0 tests=AWL,MONEY, SARE_RECV_SPAM_DOMN0b autolearn=no version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [199.232.76.165]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n5LLaXlk023464 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 14:36:34 -0700 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MIUiG-0004At-P2 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 17:36:32 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MIUiB-00045B-R4 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 17:36:32 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=55158 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MIUiB-000454-FV for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 17:36:27 -0400 Received: from caiajhbdcaib.dreamhost.com ([208.97.132.81]:58199 helo=homiemail-a1.g.dreamhost.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MIUiA-0001dH-WF for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 17:36:27 -0400 Received: from jidanni.org (122-127-35-186.dynamic.hinet.net [122.127.35.186]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by homiemail-a1.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0D2E119DEA for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 14:36:25 -0700 (PDT) From: jidanni@jidanni.org To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: minibuffer beyond end of screen in emacs23 Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 04:50:41 +0800 Message-ID: <87d48x5n1a.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) Can you believe with emacs23, the first time user doing $ emacs will get an emacs with the minibuffer inaccessible off the user's monitor?! That's right, all he needs is a laptop as regular sized as the one Dr. Stallman carries around, AND he uses X-windows. Try this test in emacs23 $ xrdb /dev/null $ seq 222 > /tmp/v $ emacs -Q /tmp/v # minibuffer inaccessible off the user's monitor, same with -q $ emacs -Q -eval '(tool-bar-mode 0)' /tmp/v # needed for emacs23 On my monitor, the file is shown with the bottom line being emacs22: 38, emacs23: 36. The problem is with emacs23 the minibuffer is inaccessible, beyond the bottom. Apparently developers never tested on anything less than long luxurious screens or used icewm or something. emacs-version "23.0.94.1" ------------=_1264489022-3565-1-- From unknown Sat Jun 21 03:29:25 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.427 (Entity 5.427) X-Loop: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org From: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org (Emacs bug Tracking System) To: jidanni@jidanni.org Subject: bug#4995 closed by Jan =?UTF-8?Q?Dj=C3=A4rv?= (Re: emacs -Q doesn't fit on the user's screen) Message-ID: References: <4B5E9209.1070208@swipnet.se> <87bpix0xus.fsf@jidanni.org> X-Emacs-PR-Message: they-closed 4995 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs Reply-To: 4995@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 06:57:02 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1264489022-3565-3" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1264489022-3565-3 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" This is an automatic notification regarding your bug report which was filed against the emacs package: #3643: 23.1.50; No size compensation for (tool-bar-mode 0)(menu-bar-mode 0) It has been closed by Jan Dj=C3=A4rv . Their explanation is attached below along with your original report. If this explanation is unsatisfactory and you have not received a better one in a separate message then please contact Jan Dj=C3=A4rv by replying to this email. --=20 3643: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D3643 Emacs Bug Tracking System Contact bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org with problems ------------=_1264489022-3565-3 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at 3643-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Jan 2010 06:56:17 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NZfLT-0000v6-Rf for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 01:56:16 -0500 Received: from proxy1.bredband.net ([195.54.101.71]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NZfLR-0000ux-DY; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 01:56:14 -0500 Received: from ipb2.telenor.se (195.54.127.165) by proxy1.bredband.net (7.3.140.3) id 4AD3E1C002A3D45F; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 07:56:09 +0100 X-SMTPAUTH-B2: X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqhCAM8gXktV4S1uPGdsb2JhbACBRoZtk04BAQEBN7xIhDkE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,345,1262559600"; d="scan'208";a="29599741" Received: from c-6e2de155.25-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO coolsville.localdomain) ([85.225.45.110]) by ipb2.telenor.se with ESMTP; 26 Jan 2010 07:56:09 +0100 Received: from [172.20.199.13] (zeplin [172.20.199.13]) by coolsville.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9ADF77FA01A; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 07:56:08 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4B5E9209.1070208@swipnet.se> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 07:56:09 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan_Dj=E4rv?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; sv-SE; rv:1.9.1.7) Gecko/20100111 Thunderbird/3.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jidanni@jidanni.org Subject: Re: emacs -Q doesn't fit on the user's screen References: <4B5D4DAF.7080008@swipnet.se> <87hbq9aipo.fsf@jidanni.org> In-Reply-To: <87hbq9aipo.fsf@jidanni.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 3643-done Cc: 3643-done@debbugs.gnu.org, 3643@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) jidanni@jidanni.org skrev 2010-01-26 00.05: > JD> I made some changes. If 40 doesn't fit we try 24. If that doesn't > JD> fit we just use 10. > Well, you had better also glue it to the top left of the screen, or else > your latest attempt ends up like... > No, that is what I said erlier, it is up to your window manager placement routine to fix stuff like this. icewm is not so good here, but trying to fix shortcomings of window managers in Emacs is no use. You can file a bug to icewm about this. Closing this. Jan D. ------------=_1264489022-3565-3 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 20 Nov 2009 21:06:23 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.2 required=4.0 tests=AWL,SARE_RECV_SPAM_DOMN0b autolearn=no version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id nAKL6MmC024384 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:06:23 -0800 Received: from mx10.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]:37539) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1NBagP-0001m1-GI for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:06:21 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NBagN-0000gs-3t for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:06:20 -0500 Received: from caiajhbdcbhh.dreamhost.com ([208.97.132.177]:40010 helo=homiemail-a37.g.dreamhost.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NBagM-0000gL-L2 for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:06:18 -0500 Received: from jidanni.org (218-163-2-8.dynamic.hinet.net [218.163.2.8]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by homiemail-a37.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 921CB4D6D5; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:06:21 -0800 (PST) From: jidanni@jidanni.org To: emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org Cc: rfrancoise@debian.org Subject: 23.1.50; No size compensation for (tool-bar-mode 0)(menu-bar-mode 0) Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 04:01:31 +0800 Message-ID: <87bpix0xus.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) ADMIT that $ emacs -Q -eval '(progn(tool-bar-mode 0)(menu-bar-mode 0))' 1. Still momentarily wastefully shows at least the menu-bar before cleaning it off the screen, even if the user does those commands in his .emacs file. 2. But more importantly, gives the user a window shorter than he wants. No compensation is made here under X windows to lengthen back the emacs window back to the size it was before removing those items. (Note I had no xrdb emacs items set.) To workaround I must do: (setq default-frame-alist (cons (cons 'height (+(frame-height)4)) default-frame-alist)) (No, fullhight, fullboth,(which by the way is not documented) don't let one still see the ICEWM toolbar.) In GNU Emacs 23.1.50.1 (i486-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.18.3) of 2009-11-15 on elegiac, modified by Debian (emacs-snapshot package, version 1:20091115-1) ------------=_1264489022-3565-3-- From unknown Sat Jun 21 03:29:25 2025 X-Loop: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: bug#3643: emacs -Q doesn't fit on the user's screen In-Reply-To: <87d48x5n1a.fsf@jidanni.org> Resent-From: jidanni@jidanni.org Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 05:19:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 3643 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: To: jan.h.d@swipnet.se Cc: 3643@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 3643-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B3643.126456948322646 (code B ref 3643); Wed, 27 Jan 2010 05:19:01 +0000 Received: (at 3643) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Jan 2010 05:18:03 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Na0Hy-0005tD-CT for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 00:18:02 -0500 Received: from caiajhbdcaid.dreamhost.com ([208.97.132.83] helo=homiemail-a10.g.dreamhost.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Na0Hw-0005sx-Jl for 3643@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 00:18:01 -0500 Received: from jidanni.org (125-230-46-117.dynamic.hinet.net [125.230.46.117]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by homiemail-a10.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5A0F928006B; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 21:17:56 -0800 (PST) From: jidanni@jidanni.org References: <4B5E9209.1070208@swipnet.se> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:17:54 +0800 Message-ID: <877hr486t9.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -4.6 (----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.9 (---) >>>>> "JD" =3D=3D Jan Dj=C3=A4rv writes: JD> You can file a bug to icewm about this. OK, I filed http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D567083 Do consider reverting your changes, as I'm afraid they didn't end up solving the bug, but instead just ended up making emacs smaller for new users. Sorry about that. From unknown Sat Jun 21 03:29:25 2025 X-Loop: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: bug#3643: emacs -Q doesn't fit on the user's screen Resent-From: Jan =?UTF-8?Q?Dj=C3=A4rv?= Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 06:22:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 3643 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: To: jidanni@jidanni.org Cc: 3643@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 3643-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B3643.126457327324681 (code B ref 3643); Wed, 27 Jan 2010 06:22:01 +0000 Received: (at 3643) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Jan 2010 06:21:13 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Na1H7-0006Q2-Hz for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 01:21:13 -0500 Received: from proxy2.bredband.net ([195.54.101.72]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Na1H4-0006Px-TN for 3643@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 01:21:11 -0500 Received: from ipb1.telenor.se (195.54.127.164) by proxy2.bredband.net (7.3.140.3) id 4AD3E1BC02AF4147 for 3643@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 07:21:07 +0100 X-SMTPAUTH-B2: X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArF9AFdqX0tV4S1uPGdsb2JhbACBO4INkB+HcgEBAQE3rTaPdYEqgjZYBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,351,1262559600"; d="scan'208";a="29966970" Received: from c-6e2de155.25-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO coolsville.localdomain) ([85.225.45.110]) by ipb1.telenor.se with ESMTP; 27 Jan 2010 07:21:06 +0100 Received: from [172.20.199.13] (zeplin [172.20.199.13]) by coolsville.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 455B77FA01A; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 07:21:06 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4B5FDB52.9020300@swipnet.se> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 07:21:06 +0100 From: Jan =?UTF-8?Q?Dj=C3=A4rv?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; sv-SE; rv:1.9.1.7) Gecko/20100111 Thunderbird/3.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4B5E9209.1070208@swipnet.se> <877hr486t9.fsf@jidanni.org> In-Reply-To: <877hr486t9.fsf@jidanni.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) jidanni@jidanni.org skrev 2010-01-27 06.17: >>>>>> "JD" =3D=3D Jan Dj=C3=A4rv writes: > > JD> You can file a bug to icewm about this. > OK, I filed > http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D567083 > > Do consider reverting your changes, as I'm afraid they didn't end up > solving the bug, but instead just ended up making emacs smaller for new > users. Sorry about that. It is almost always easier to enlarge a window than shrinking a window th= at is=20 too big for the screen. Experienced user can set the sizes they want. Jan D. From unknown Sat Jun 21 03:29:25 2025 X-Loop: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: bug#3643: emacs -Q doesn't fit on the user's screen In-Reply-To: <87d48x5n1a.fsf@jidanni.org> Resent-From: jidanni@jidanni.org Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 06:53:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 3643 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: To: jan.h.d@swipnet.se Cc: rms@gnu.org, 3643@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 3643-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B3643.126457517625733 (code B ref 3643); Wed, 27 Jan 2010 06:53:01 +0000 Received: (at 3643) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Jan 2010 06:52:56 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Na1lo-0006h0-1R for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 01:52:56 -0500 Received: from mailbigip.dreamhost.com ([208.97.132.5] helo=homiemail-a38.g.dreamhost.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Na1lm-0006gp-Gc for 3643@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 01:52:54 -0500 Received: from jidanni.org (125-230-46-117.dynamic.hinet.net [125.230.46.117]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by homiemail-a38.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3773AD4EF5; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 22:52:50 -0800 (PST) From: jidanni@jidanni.org References: <4B5FDB52.9020300@swipnet.se> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 14:52:47 +0800 Message-ID: <87pr4w6nuo.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -3.6 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.4 (---) JD> It is almost always easier to enlarge a window than shrinking a window JD> that is too big for the screen. Experienced user can set the sizes JD> they want. Yes but the whole point of this bug report is that we want $ emacs -Q to look good to the first time user right out of the box. That emacs comes up with its feet stuck underneath the toolbar, whilst firefox or any other program the user has ever run, don't do that, tell him something. From unknown Sat Jun 21 03:29:25 2025 X-Loop: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: bug#3643: emacs -Q doesn't fit on the user's screen Resent-From: Jan =?UTF-8?Q?Dj=C3=A4rv?= Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 09:01:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 3643 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: To: "jidanni@jidanni.org" Cc: "rms@gnu.org" , "3643@debbugs.gnu.org" <3643@debbugs.gnu.org> Received: via spool by 3643-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B3643.126458282930211 (code B ref 3643); Wed, 27 Jan 2010 09:01:02 +0000 Received: (at 3643) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Jan 2010 09:00:29 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Na3lE-0007rE-Iq for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 04:00:28 -0500 Received: from proxy2.bredband.net ([195.54.101.72]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Na3lC-0007r8-NB for 3643@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 04:00:27 -0500 Received: from ipb1.telenor.se (195.54.127.164) by proxy2.bredband.net (7.3.140.3) id 4AD3E1BC02B0AAFD for 3643@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 10:00:23 +0100 X-SMTPAUTH-B2: X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: An9HANaPX0tV4S1uPGdsb2JhbACBO4Zek0EBAQEBNze8HYQ4BA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,352,1262559600"; d="scan'208";a="30005686" Received: from c-6e2de155.25-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO coolsville.localdomain) ([85.225.45.110]) by ipb1.telenor.se with ESMTP; 27 Jan 2010 10:00:21 +0100 Received: from [90.232.55.105] (host-90-232-55-105.mobileonline.telia.com [90.232.55.105]) by coolsville.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E91A47FA01A; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 10:00:19 +0100 (CET) References: <4B5FDB52.9020300@swipnet.se> <87pr4w6nuo.fsf@jidanni.org> Message-Id: From: Jan =?UTF-8?Q?Dj=C3=A4rv?= In-Reply-To: <87pr4w6nuo.fsf@jidanni.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (7D11) Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 7D11) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 10:00:13 +0100 X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) 27 jan 2010 kl. 07.52 skrev jidanni@jidanni.org: > JD> It is almost always easier to enlarge a window than shrinking a > window > JD> that is too big for the screen. Experienced user can set the > sizes > JD> they want. > Yes but the whole point of this bug report is that we want > $ emacs -Q > to look good to the first time user right out of the box. > > That emacs comes up with its feet stuck underneath the toolbar, whilst > firefox or any other program the user has ever run, don't do that, > tell > him something. Change windowmanager ? :-) Jan D. From unknown Sat Jun 21 03:29:25 2025 X-Loop: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: bug#3643: emacs -Q doesn't fit on the user's screen In-Reply-To: <87d48x5n1a.fsf@jidanni.org> Resent-From: jidanni@jidanni.org Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 10:16:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 3643 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: To: 3643@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 3643-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B3643.126458734532752 (code B ref 3643); Wed, 27 Jan 2010 10:16:02 +0000 Received: (at 3643) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Jan 2010 10:15:45 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Na4w4-0008WD-GI for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 05:15:44 -0500 Received: from caiajhbdcagg.dreamhost.com ([208.97.132.66] helo=homiemail-a2.g.dreamhost.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Na4w2-0008W5-Ag for 3643@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 05:15:42 -0500 Received: from jidanni.org (218-163-3-48.dynamic.hinet.net [218.163.3.48]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by homiemail-a2.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3F50D26DD for <3643@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 02:15:38 -0800 (PST) From: jidanni@jidanni.org References: Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 18:15:36 +0800 Message-ID: <873a1ryhtj.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -3.1 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.1 (---) (On the eeepc, now emacs -Q comes glued to the top 1/2 of the screen, not obscured, but still "like nothing I've ever seen". Same for a second emacs -Q&). From unknown Sat Jun 21 03:29:25 2025 X-Loop: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: bug#3643: emacs -Q doesn't fit on the user's screen Resent-From: Chong Yidong Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 02:52:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 3643 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: To: Jan =?UTF-8?Q?Dj=C3=A4rv?= Cc: 3643@debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@jidanni.org Received: via spool by 3643-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B3643.126464708526865 (code B ref 3643); Thu, 28 Jan 2010 02:52:02 +0000 Received: (at 3643) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Jan 2010 02:51:25 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NaKTa-0006zG-SW for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:51:23 -0500 Received: from pantheon-po33.its.yale.edu ([130.132.50.94]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NaK36-0005kI-BG for 3643@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:24:00 -0500 Received: from furry (dhcp128036014123.central.yale.edu [128.36.14.123]) (authenticated bits=0) by pantheon-po33.its.yale.edu (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id o0S2Nu06019151 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:23:56 -0500 Received: by furry (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 8413FC05D; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:23:56 -0500 (EST) From: Chong Yidong References: <4B5E9209.1070208@swipnet.se> <877hr486t9.fsf@jidanni.org> <4B5FDB52.9020300@swipnet.se> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:23:56 -0500 In-Reply-To: <4B5FDB52.9020300@swipnet.se> ("Jan =?UTF-8?Q?Dj=C3=A4rv"'s?= message of "Wed, 27 Jan 2010 07:21:06 +0100") Message-ID: <878wbj6k77.fsf@stupidchicken.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.91 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-=-=" X-YaleITSMailFilter: Version 1.2c (attachment(s) not renamed) X-Spam-Score: -2.9 (--) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:51:21 -0500 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.9 (--) --=-=-= Hi Jan, With your latest changes, `emacs -Q' creates a frame that's 22 lines tall, taking up only about half the height of the desktop. I think the Emacs 23.1 behavior was better. See attached screenshot. It's clear that more fine-tuning is required, so I think these changes are best done after the release. 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Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 07:19:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 3643 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: To: Chong Yidong Cc: 3643@debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@jidanni.org Received: via spool by 3643-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B3643.12646631126192 (code B ref 3643); Thu, 28 Jan 2010 07:19:02 +0000 Received: (at 3643) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Jan 2010 07:18:32 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NaOe6-0001bp-I3 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 02:18:30 -0500 Received: from proxy2.bredband.net ([195.54.101.72]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NaOe5-0001bi-0f for 3643@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 02:18:29 -0500 Received: from ipb1.telenor.se (195.54.127.164) by proxy2.bredband.net (7.3.140.3) id 4AD3E1BC02B7BE77 for 3643@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 08:18:25 +0100 X-SMTPAUTH-B2: X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AuVAALvIYEtV4S1uPGdsb2JhbACBNIZUkzgBAQEBN7t7hDwE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,358,1262559600"; d="scan'208";a="30279581" Received: from c-6e2de155.25-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO coolsville.localdomain) ([85.225.45.110]) by ipb1.telenor.se with ESMTP; 28 Jan 2010 08:18:24 +0100 Received: from [172.20.199.2] (gaffa [172.20.199.2]) by coolsville.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTP id 193617FA01A; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 08:18:24 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4B613A3F.8070601@swipnet.se> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 08:18:23 +0100 From: Jan =?UTF-8?Q?Dj=C3=A4rv?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090817) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4B5E9209.1070208@swipnet.se> <877hr486t9.fsf@jidanni.org> <4B5FDB52.9020300@swipnet.se> <878wbj6k77.fsf@stupidchicken.com> In-Reply-To: <878wbj6k77.fsf@stupidchicken.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) Chong Yidong skrev: > Hi Jan, > > With your latest changes, `emacs -Q' creates a frame that's 22 lines > tall, taking up only about half the height of the desktop. I think the > Emacs 23.1 behavior was better. See attached screenshot. > > It's clear that more fine-tuning is required, so I think these changes > are best done after the release. How about reverting them for now? > Ok. Maybe close this bug wih WONTFIX and tell people to get a better window manager? Your Emacs is too big for your desktop area, but the wm fixes that. On compiz/metacity starting Emacs with something crazy like -geometry 80x4000+9000+9000 still produces a window that is within bounds. Jan D. From unknown Sat Jun 21 03:29:25 2025 X-Loop: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: bug#3643: emacs -Q doesn't fit on the user's screen Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 19:08:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 3643 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: To: Jan =?UTF-8?Q?Dj=C3=A4rv?= Cc: Chong Yidong , 3643@debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@jidanni.org Received: via spool by 3643-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B3643.126470562723078 (code B ref 3643); Thu, 28 Jan 2010 19:08:01 +0000 Received: (at 3643) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Jan 2010 19:07:07 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NaZhq-00060B-Ot for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 14:07:06 -0500 Received: from chene.dit.umontreal.ca ([132.204.246.20]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NaZho-0005zl-UV for 3643@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 14:07:05 -0500 Received: from faina.iro.umontreal.ca (faina.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.26.177]) by chene.dit.umontreal.ca (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o0SJ6xCq003097; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 14:06:59 -0500 Received: by faina.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 6322C3A814; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 14:06:59 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Monnier Message-ID: References: <4B5E9209.1070208@swipnet.se> <877hr486t9.fsf@jidanni.org> <4B5FDB52.9020300@swipnet.se> <878wbj6k77.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <4B613A3F.8070601@swipnet.se> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 14:06:59 -0500 In-Reply-To: <4B613A3F.8070601@swipnet.se> ("Jan =?UTF-8?Q?Dj=C3=A4rv"'s?= message of "Thu, 28 Jan 2010 08:18:23 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.91 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-NAI-Spam-Score: 0 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 1 Rules triggered RV3458=0 X-Spam-Score: -1.8 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.8 (-) > Ok. Maybe close this bug wih WONTFIX and tell people to get a better window > manager? Your Emacs is too big for your desktop area, but the wm > fixes that. > On compiz/metacity starting Emacs with something crazy like -geometry > 80x4000+9000+9000 still produces a window that is within bounds. I don't think that's the right answer. I consider metacity's insistence on preventing the user from resizing the window to be larger than the screen to be a bug (or its insistence on preventing the user from moving a window above the screen's top, similarly). So I think Emacs should try to do a better job choosing a default size, based on the screen size, such that the default size (including WM decorations) is not larger than the screen. Stefan From unknown Sat Jun 21 03:29:25 2025 X-Loop: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: bug#3643: Bug#567083: emacs -Q doesn't fit on the user's screen In-Reply-To: <87d48x5n1a.fsf@jidanni.org> Resent-From: jidanni@jidanni.org Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 10:51:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 3643 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: To: evgeny.zubok@tochka.ru Cc: Chong Yidong , 3643@debbugs.gnu.org, 567083@bugs.debian.org Received: via spool by 3643-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B3643.126476221919610 (code B ref 3643); Fri, 29 Jan 2010 10:51:01 +0000 Received: (at 3643) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Jan 2010 10:50:19 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NaoQc-00056F-Dv for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 05:50:18 -0500 Received: from mailbigip.dreamhost.com ([208.97.132.5] helo=homiemail-a5.g.dreamhost.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NaoQa-000564-HJ for 3643@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 05:50:17 -0500 Received: from jidanni.org (218-163-7-19.dynamic.hinet.net [218.163.7.19]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by homiemail-a5.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F6DCBCBAD; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 02:50:10 -0800 (PST) From: jidanni@jidanni.org References: <87636liaoo.fsf@tochka.ru> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 18:50:05 +0800 Message-ID: <87d40tyyle.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -3.1 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.1 (---) >>>>> "EMZ" == Evgeny M Zubok writes: EMZ> What geometry your Emacs has at start? You may provide the geometry by EMZ> emacs' option -geometry or by resource string emacs.geometry. Please, EMZ> add Emacs.geometry: 80x35+0+0 to ~/.Xresources and don't forget to EMZ> update resources with xrdb. Or run emacs -Q -geometry 80x35+0+0. However my point is that I want emacs to look good for the first time user. The first time user experience is equivalent to $ emacs -Q with no geometry specifications allowed. EMZ> Note: I'm using Emacs22 based on Xaw3d toolkit and IceWM 1.3.6 EMZ> backported to Lenny. I have run Emacs on 800x600 right now, and with EMZ> geometry options above all seems OK. Try this experiment with icewm. $ mv .mozilla .mozilla.old $ firefox Notice how it fits nicely? Notice how $ emacs -Q ends up with its bottom part stuck underneath the toolbar? From unknown Sat Jun 21 03:29:25 2025 X-Loop: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: bug#3643: Bug#567083: emacs -Q doesn't fit on the user's screen In-Reply-To: <87d48x5n1a.fsf@jidanni.org> Resent-From: jidanni@jidanni.org Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:24:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 3643 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: To: evgeny.zubok@tochka.ru Cc: jan.h.d@swipnet.se, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, 3643@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 3643-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B3643.126476420421154 (code B ref 3643); Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:24:01 +0000 Received: (at 3643) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Jan 2010 11:23:24 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Naowe-0005V9-Hn for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 06:23:24 -0500 Received: from caiajhbdcbef.dreamhost.com ([208.97.132.145] helo=homiemail-a3.g.dreamhost.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Naowd-0005V2-MD for 3643@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 06:23:24 -0500 Received: from jidanni.org (218-163-7-19.dynamic.hinet.net [218.163.7.19]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by homiemail-a3.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8261C5D19; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 03:23:19 -0800 (PST) From: jidanni@jidanni.org References: <87mxzxnqgb.fsf@tochka.ru> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 19:23:16 +0800 Message-ID: <874om5w3x7.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -3.1 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.1 (---) Be sure to Cc: 3643@debbugs.gnu.org. I'm forwarding this for you. >>>>> "EMZ" == Evgeny M Zubok writes: EMZ> I've just intstalled emacs23 with GTK backend from lenny-backports. Your EMZ> problem is reproducible, but is not reproducible with emacs22 with Xaw3d EMZ> backend. For some reason, toolbar is appeared too late, after the moment EMZ> when emacs window has been exposed. When toolbar appears, emacs window EMZ> is enlarged, its bottom goes beyond the screen boundaries, and IceWM Yes, that's what I see too. (But of course it happens so fast.) EMZ> doesn't try to change emacs geometry to fit screen area. But... is this EMZ> IceWM problem? I don't know, as I'm afraid to install other window manager stuff. I did see it with LXDE+openbox too though. EMZ> This is my explanation (just guess). It seems that at least in GTK EMZ> version toolbar is not integral part of editor's window. When toolbar EMZ> appears, Emacs23 tries to preserve editor area geometry (lines EMZ> number). This leads to the changes in window size. On the contrary, EMZ> Emacs22 with Xaw3d calculates a window size with toolbar before it will EMZ> be exposed. I've run emacs22 -Q -geometry 90x99+0+0 with 800x600 EMZ> resolution, and the entire window fits screen height. Thanks for your valuable input... at least it shows I'm not on drugs. EMZ> FYI, Emacs23 also has Xaw3d backend. You can try it and verify is this EMZ> emacs23-gtk-only problem. All I have installed here are emacs23 and emacs-snapshot. I'm too scared to mess things up to test anything else. From unknown Sat Jun 21 03:29:25 2025 X-Loop: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: bug#3643: Bug#567083: emacs -Q doesn't fit on the user's screen Resent-From: "Evgeny M. Zubok" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 12:29:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 3643 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: To: jidanni@jidanni.org Cc: jan.h.d@swipnet.se, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, 3643@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 3643-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B3643.126476808524445 (code B ref 3643); Fri, 29 Jan 2010 12:29:02 +0000 Received: (at 3643) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Jan 2010 12:28:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NapxE-0006ME-VZ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 07:28:05 -0500 Received: from imp01.mtu.ru ([62.5.255.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NaphJ-00067k-NV for 3643@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 07:11:38 -0500 Received: from ss27-so03.mtu.ru ([195.34.34.242]) by imp01.mtu.ru with bizsmtp id bQBX1d02P5DT39v01QBXUk; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 15:11:31 +0300 Received: from imp02.mtu.ru (alt-proxy-1.mtu.ru [62.5.255.74]) by ss27-so03.mtu.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 615C428555A; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 15:11:31 +0300 (MSK) Received: from localhost ([91.78.17.17]) by imp02.mtu.ru with bizsmtp id bQBW1d00k0N5gnP01QBWrl; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 15:11:31 +0300 References: <87mxzxnqgb.fsf@tochka.ru> <874om5w3x7.fsf@jidanni.org> From: "Evgeny M. Zubok" Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 15:14:38 +0300 In-Reply-To: <874om5w3x7.fsf@jidanni.org> (jidanni@jidanni.org's message of "Fri\, 29 Jan 2010 19\:23\:16 +0800") Message-ID: <87y6jhm7kh.fsf@tochka.ru> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Yversion: Spamooborona-3.0 X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 07:28:03 -0500 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) jidanni@jidanni.org writes: > EMZ> doesn't try to change emacs geometry to fit screen area. But... is this > EMZ> IceWM problem? > > I don't know, as I'm afraid to install other window manager stuff. I did > see it with LXDE+openbox too though. I think this is right behaviour of WM: when an application changes its size, the WM shouldn't (but may) prevent this action. As I understand from #36430 log, Metacity (sorry, I don't use it) prevents window from growing. > EMZ> FYI, Emacs23 also has Xaw3d backend. You can try it and verify is this > EMZ> emacs23-gtk-only problem. > > All I have installed here are emacs23 and emacs-snapshot. I'm too scared > to mess things up to test anything else. I've just installed emacs23-lucid (GNU Emacs 23.1.1 (i486-pc-linux-gnu, X toolkit, Xaw3d scroll bars) of 2009-10-19 on debian-build.int-office-er.priv, modified by Debian) from lenny-backports, and... I havn't noticed the problem with IceWM. Emacs window fits screen height nicely. It seems this is emacs23-gtk feature. I don't think that this is IceWM bug. From unknown Sat Jun 21 03:29:25 2025 X-Loop: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: bug#3643: Bug#567083: emacs -Q doesn't fit on the user's screen In-Reply-To: <87d48x5n1a.fsf@jidanni.org> Resent-From: jidanni@jidanni.org Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 12:34:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 3643 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: To: evgeny.zubok@tochka.ru Cc: jan.h.d@swipnet.se, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, 3643@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 3643-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B3643.126476839926703 (code B ref 3643); Fri, 29 Jan 2010 12:34:02 +0000 Received: (at 3643) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Jan 2010 12:33:19 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Naq2I-0006we-9u for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 07:33:18 -0500 Received: from caiajhbdcbbj.dreamhost.com ([208.97.132.119] helo=homiemail-a3.g.dreamhost.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Naq2D-0006wP-OF for 3643@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 07:33:16 -0500 Received: from jidanni.org (218-163-7-19.dynamic.hinet.net [218.163.7.19]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by homiemail-a3.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DB54C5C59; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 04:33:07 -0800 (PST) From: jidanni@jidanni.org References: <87y6jhm7kh.fsf@tochka.ru> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 20:33:04 +0800 Message-ID: <87r5p9um4f.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -3.1 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.1 (---) >>>>> "EMZ" == Evgeny M Zubok writes: EMZ> I've just installed emacs23-lucid (GNU Emacs 23.1.1 (i486-pc-linux-gnu, EMZ> X toolkit, Xaw3d scroll bars) of 2009-10-19 on EMZ> debian-build.int-office-er.priv, modified by Debian) from EMZ> lenny-backports, and... I havn't noticed the problem with IceWM. Emacs EMZ> window fits screen height nicely. It seems this is emacs23-gtk EMZ> feature. I don't think that this is IceWM bug. I see the bug with $ apt-cache policy emacs23 emacs23: Installed: 23.1+1-6 In GNU Emacs 23.1.1 (i486-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.18.2) of 2010-01-27 on raven, modified by Debian Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.10704000 configured using `configure '--build=i486-linux-gnu' '--host=i486-linux-gnu' '--prefix=/usr' '--sharedstatedir=/var/lib' '--libexecdir=/usr/lib' '--localstatedir=/var/lib' '--infodir=/usr/share/info' '--mandir=/usr/share/man' '--with-pop=yes' '--enable-locallisppath=/etc/emacs23:/etc/emacs:/usr/local/share/emacs/23.1/site-lisp:/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/23.1/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/23.1/leim' '--with-x=yes' '--with-x-toolkit=gtk' '--with-toolkit-scroll-bars' 'build_alias=i486-linux-gnu' 'host_alias=i486-linux-gnu' 'CFLAGS=-DDEBIAN -g -O2' 'LDFLAGS=-g' 'CPPFLAGS='' I haven't installed these $ aptitude search ~nemacs.*gtk p emacs-snapshot-gtk p emacs22-gtk v emacs23-gtk And I note $ aptitude -v show emacs-snapshot-gtk Package: emacs-snapshot-gtk New: yes State: not installed Version: 1:20100125-1 Priority: optional Section: main Maintainer: Romain Francoise Uncompressed Size: 53.2k Architecture: all Compressed Size: 20.5k Filename: pool/main/e/emacs-snapshot/emacs-snapshot-gtk_20100125-1_all.deb MD5sum: 6a09b2cb079bdeb40d180ff5e7a0bb5e Archive: unstable Depends: emacs-snapshot <------- PreDepends: dpkg (>= 1.14.21) Description: The GNU Emacs editor (transitional package) Empty package to facilitate upgrades, can be safely removed. <------- Homepage: http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/ From unknown Sat Jun 21 03:29:25 2025 X-Loop: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: bug#3643: emacs -Q doesn't fit on the user's screen Resent-From: Chong Yidong Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 16:37:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 3643 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: To: Stefan Monnier Cc: Jan =?UTF-8?Q?Dj=C3=A4rv?= , 3643@debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@jidanni.org Received: via spool by 3643-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B3643.126478298912908 (code B ref 3643); Fri, 29 Jan 2010 16:37:01 +0000 Received: (at 3643) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Jan 2010 16:36:29 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Natpa-0003M8-Sc for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:36:27 -0500 Received: from pantheon-po29.its.yale.edu ([130.132.50.124]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NatpZ-0003M3-GM for 3643@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:36:25 -0500 Received: from furry (dhcp128036014123.central.yale.edu [128.36.14.123]) (authenticated bits=0) by pantheon-po29.its.yale.edu (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id o0TGaKI0020216 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:36:20 -0500 Received: by furry (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B4060C05D; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:36:20 -0500 (EST) From: Chong Yidong References: <4B5E9209.1070208@swipnet.se> <877hr486t9.fsf@jidanni.org> <4B5FDB52.9020300@swipnet.se> <878wbj6k77.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <4B613A3F.8070601@swipnet.se> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:36:20 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Thu, 28 Jan 2010 14:06:59 -0500") Message-ID: <87k4v03m2j.fsf@stupidchicken.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.91 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-YaleITSMailFilter: Version 1.2c (attachment(s) not renamed) X-Spam-Score: -4.9 (----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.9 (----) Stefan Monnier writes: > So I think Emacs should try to do a better job choosing a default size, > based on the screen size, such that the default size (including WM > decorations) is not larger than the screen. I think a good interim solution is to change the default font from Monospace-12 to Monospace-10. On most monitors, Monospace-12 is far too large to be usable (10 is the default in Gnome installations IIUC), and 40 lines of 12-point text cause the Emacs frame to increase past the height of most desktop areas. WDYT? From unknown Sat Jun 21 03:29:25 2025 X-Loop: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: bug#3643: emacs -Q doesn't fit on the user's screen Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 18:53:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 3643 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: To: Chong Yidong Cc: Jan =?UTF-8?Q?Dj=C3=A4rv?= , 3643@debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@jidanni.org Received: via spool by 3643-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B3643.126479113023422 (code B ref 3643); Fri, 29 Jan 2010 18:53:01 +0000 Received: (at 3643) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Jan 2010 18:52:10 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Navwv-00065j-7M for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 13:52:09 -0500 Received: from chene.dit.umontreal.ca ([132.204.246.20]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Navwt-00064s-70 for 3643@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 13:52:07 -0500 Received: from faina.iro.umontreal.ca (faina.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.26.177]) by chene.dit.umontreal.ca (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o0TIq1rl009615; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 13:52:01 -0500 Received: by faina.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 5CE963A7A3; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 13:52:01 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Monnier Message-ID: References: <4B5E9209.1070208@swipnet.se> <877hr486t9.fsf@jidanni.org> <4B5FDB52.9020300@swipnet.se> <878wbj6k77.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <4B613A3F.8070601@swipnet.se> <87k4v03m2j.fsf@stupidchicken.com> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 13:52:01 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87k4v03m2j.fsf@stupidchicken.com> (Chong Yidong's message of "Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:36:20 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.91 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-NAI-Spam-Score: 0 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 1 Rules triggered RV3459=0 X-Spam-Score: -1.8 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.8 (-) >> So I think Emacs should try to do a better job choosing a default size, >> based on the screen size, such that the default size (including WM >> decorations) is not larger than the screen. > I think a good interim solution is to change the default font from > Monospace-12 to Monospace-10. On most monitors, Monospace-12 is far too > large to be usable (10 is the default in Gnome installations IIUC), and > 40 lines of 12-point text cause the Emacs frame to increase past the > height of most desktop areas. I live in a world where screens never have enough lines, so I'm all for making the default font smaller. Stefan From unknown Sat Jun 21 03:29:25 2025 X-Loop: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: bug#3643: Bug#567083: emacs -Q doesn't fit on the user's screen In-Reply-To: <87d48x5n1a.fsf@jidanni.org> Resent-From: jidanni@jidanni.org Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 09:46:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 3643 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: To: evgeny.zubok@tochka.ru Cc: 3643@debbugs.gnu.org, 567083@bugs.debian.org Received: via spool by 3643-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B3643.12667455274424 (code B ref 3643); Sun, 21 Feb 2010 09:46:02 +0000 Received: (at 3643) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Feb 2010 09:45:27 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nj8NR-00019J-Nf for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 21 Feb 2010 04:45:27 -0500 Received: from caiajhbdccac.dreamhost.com ([208.97.132.202] helo=homiemail-a37.g.dreamhost.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nj8NP-00018t-13 for 3643@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 21 Feb 2010 04:45:23 -0500 Received: from jidanni.org (125-230-45-109.dynamic.hinet.net [125.230.45.109]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by homiemail-a37.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BED324D85C; Sun, 21 Feb 2010 01:45:18 -0800 (PST) From: jidanni@jidanni.org References: <87wry734td.fsf@tochka.ru> Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 17:45:15 +0800 Message-ID: <87eikex6qc.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -3.6 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.5 (---) >>>>> "EMZ" == Evgeny M Zubok writes: EMZ> As I understand from the following discussion in the upstream, IceWM EMZ> not to blame for described emacs behaviour. I think the bug should be EMZ> reassigned to wishlist items of emacs23 package. Am I right? Upstream EMZ> considers an interim solution to use smaller default font, but it has EMZ> not announced what will be a final solution. See also * http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3643 * http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=4995 I give up.