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([2a00:f41:1c83:d4a4:9d68:15a3:9e45:aba6]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id g2sm306809wmh.0.2019.06.24.10.59.43 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 24 Jun 2019 10:59:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Sebastian Urban Subject: Add info how to deselect secondary selection (Emacs manual) To: Bug GNU Emacs Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2019 19:59:42 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4864:20::42c X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) Because, if it's "selection", people may think that to deselect all you need is to click 'mouse-1' somewhere, but it doesn't work, as well as 'C-g' and it may be confusing. Therefore please add information about 'M-mouse-1' as a way to deselect, perhaps somewhere next to the L626-627 or after the definition of 'M-mouse-1' L607-608 in KILLING.TEXI. Then update documentation string for 'mouse-start-secondary' with the same information. === Also (because it's the same chapter) in Emacs manual (INFO) "12.3.3 Secondary Selection" description of 'M-mouse-3' could be changed: FROM Set the secondary selection, with one end at the position clicked and the other at the position specified with ‘M-mouse-1’ (‘mouse-secondary-save-then-kill’). This also puts the selected text in the kill ring. A second ‘M-mouse-3’ at the same place kills the secondary selection just made. TO Set the secondary selection, with one end at the position clicked and the other at the position specified with ‘M-mouse-1’, and put the selected text in the kill ring (‘mouse-secondary-save-then-kill’). A second ‘M-mouse-3’ at the same place kills the secondary selection just made. Placement of 'mouse-secondary-save-then-kill' will be better, right now it may confuse people because it stands next to 'M-mouse-1' which has different command. S. U. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jul 06 04:32:12 2019 Received: (at 36365-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Jul 2019 08:32:12 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54175 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hjg79-0003cn-RU for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 06 Jul 2019 04:32:12 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:57987) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hjg76-0003cZ-Mn for 36365-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 06 Jul 2019 04:32:09 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:51928) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hjg71-00041j-I0; Sat, 06 Jul 2019 04:32:03 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3126 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1hjg70-0006FV-SA; Sat, 06 Jul 2019 04:32:03 -0400 Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2019 11:31:56 +0300 Message-Id: <83zhlr8sxv.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Sebastian Urban In-reply-to: (message from Sebastian Urban on Mon, 24 Jun 2019 19:59:42 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#36365: Add info how to deselect secondary selection (Emacs manual) References: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 36365-done Cc: 36365-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Sebastian Urban > Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2019 19:59:42 +0200 > > Because, if it's "selection", people may think that to deselect all > you need is to click 'mouse-1' somewhere, but it doesn't work, as well > as 'C-g' and it may be confusing. > > Therefore please add information about 'M-mouse-1' as a way to > deselect, perhaps somewhere next to the L626-627 or after the > definition of 'M-mouse-1' L607-608 in KILLING.TEXI. > > Then update documentation string for 'mouse-start-secondary' with the > same information. > > === > > Also (because it's the same chapter) in Emacs manual (INFO) "12.3.3 > Secondary Selection" description of 'M-mouse-3' could be changed: > > FROM > Set the secondary selection, with one end at the position clicked > and the other at the position specified with ‘M-mouse-1’ > (‘mouse-secondary-save-then-kill’). This also puts the selected > text in the kill ring. A second ‘M-mouse-3’ at the same place > kills the secondary selection just made. > > TO > Set the secondary selection, with one end at the position clicked and > the other at the position specified with ‘M-mouse-1’, and put the > selected text in the kill ring (‘mouse-secondary-save-then-kill’). > A second ‘M-mouse-3’ at the same place kills the secondary selection > just made. > > Placement of 'mouse-secondary-save-then-kill' will be better, right > now it may confuse people because it stands next to 'M-mouse-1' which > has different command. Thanks, I fixed these two issues. 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[89.161.9.216]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id s24sm2518906lje.58.2019.07.06.11.17.09 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 06 Jul 2019 11:17:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Sebastian Urban Subject: Re: bug#36365: Add info how to deselect secondary selection (Emacs manual) To: Eli Zaretskii References: <83zhlr8sxv.fsf@gnu.org> Message-ID: <62734ba6-a335-710a-2d09-3b54f0d58bde@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2019 20:17:13 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <83zhlr8sxv.fsf@gnu.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 36365 Cc: 36365@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Ok, thanks, but what about documentation string for 'mouse-start-secondary' (i.e. 'M-x describe-function -> m-s-s')? I also have problem with: ... if you click @kbd{M-mouse-1} on the mode line or on the header line. I guessing that clicking 'M-mouse-1' anywhere in the text will cancel selection, but also start new one, and doing so on mode line/header line, will not start new selection, is it correct so far? But then when I do so I get: is undefined OR is undefined and secondary selection is still there. Am I doing something wrong? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jul 06 14:21:37 2019 Received: (at 36365) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Jul 2019 18:21:37 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55868 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hjpJY-0006O4-Pq for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 06 Jul 2019 14:21:36 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:48574) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hjpJW-0006Nr-KF for 36365@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 06 Jul 2019 14:21:35 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:57494) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hjpJQ-0004mM-Fp; Sat, 06 Jul 2019 14:21:29 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1543 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1hjpJO-0006R0-PP; Sat, 06 Jul 2019 14:21:27 -0400 Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2019 21:21:21 +0300 Message-Id: <834l3z81ni.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Sebastian Urban In-reply-to: <62734ba6-a335-710a-2d09-3b54f0d58bde@gmail.com> (message from Sebastian Urban on Sat, 6 Jul 2019 20:17:13 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#36365: Add info how to deselect secondary selection (Emacs manual) References: <83zhlr8sxv.fsf@gnu.org> <62734ba6-a335-710a-2d09-3b54f0d58bde@gmail.com> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 36365 Cc: 36365@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Sebastian Urban > Cc: 36365@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2019 20:17:13 +0200 > > Ok, thanks, but what about documentation string for > 'mouse-start-secondary' (i.e. 'M-x describe-function -> m-s-s')? What about it? There was no mention of that in your original report. > I also have problem with: > ... if you click @kbd{M-mouse-1} on the mode line or on the header line. > > I guessing that clicking 'M-mouse-1' anywhere in the text will cancel > selection, but also start new one, and doing so on mode line/header > line, will not start new selection, is it correct so far? But then > when I do so I get: > is undefined > OR > is undefined > and secondary selection is still there. Am I doing something wrong? I have no idea, as on my system secondary selections simply don't work. I guess someone else will have to find the way of deselecting without starting a new selection, if one exists. And if it doesn't exist, I will simply remove that text, so that docs match the reality. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jul 06 14:24:35 2019 Received: (at 36365) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Jul 2019 18:24:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55873 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hjpMR-0006TO-8i for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 06 Jul 2019 14:24:35 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:49251) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hjpMO-0006Si-WD for 36365@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 06 Jul 2019 14:24:33 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:57529) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hjpMJ-0005yI-OI; Sat, 06 Jul 2019 14:24:27 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1726 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1hjpMJ-0006c5-1f; Sat, 06 Jul 2019 14:24:27 -0400 Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2019 21:24:23 +0300 Message-Id: <8336jj81ig.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: mrsebastianurban@gmail.com In-reply-to: <834l3z81ni.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Sat, 06 Jul 2019 21:21:21 +0300) Subject: Re: bug#36365: Add info how to deselect secondary selection (Emacs manual) References: <83zhlr8sxv.fsf@gnu.org> <62734ba6-a335-710a-2d09-3b54f0d58bde@gmail.com> <834l3z81ni.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 36365 Cc: 36365@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2019 21:21:21 +0300 > From: Eli Zaretskii > Cc: 36365@debbugs.gnu.org > > > From: Sebastian Urban > > Cc: 36365@debbugs.gnu.org > > Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2019 20:17:13 +0200 > > > > Ok, thanks, but what about documentation string for > > 'mouse-start-secondary' (i.e. 'M-x describe-function -> m-s-s')? > > What about it? There was no mention of that in your original report. Oh, sorry, I see there was, but I missed it. But I see nothing wrong with the doc string as it is. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jul 06 14:35:37 2019 Received: (at 36365) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Jul 2019 18:35:37 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55878 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hjpX7-0006l4-9m for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 06 Jul 2019 14:35:37 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:51586) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hjpX3-0006kn-Uv for 36365@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 06 Jul 2019 14:35:35 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:57627) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hjpWw-0004f4-Or; Sat, 06 Jul 2019 14:35:28 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2397 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1hjpWv-0004O5-0M; Sat, 06 Jul 2019 14:35:25 -0400 Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2019 21:35:20 +0300 Message-Id: <831rz38107.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: mrsebastianurban@gmail.com In-reply-to: <834l3z81ni.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Sat, 06 Jul 2019 21:21:21 +0300) Subject: Re: bug#36365: Add info how to deselect secondary selection (Emacs manual) References: <83zhlr8sxv.fsf@gnu.org> <62734ba6-a335-710a-2d09-3b54f0d58bde@gmail.com> <834l3z81ni.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 36365 Cc: 36365@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2019 21:21:21 +0300 > From: Eli Zaretskii > Cc: 36365@debbugs.gnu.org > > > I guessing that clicking 'M-mouse-1' anywhere in the text will cancel > > selection, but also start new one, and doing so on mode line/header > > line, will not start new selection, is it correct so far? But then > > when I do so I get: > > is undefined > > OR > > is undefined > > and secondary selection is still there. Am I doing something wrong? > > I have no idea, as on my system secondary selections simply don't > work. I guess someone else will have to find the way of deselecting > without starting a new selection, if one exists. And if it doesn't > exist, I will simply remove that text, so that docs match the reality. I see now that there's no way of canceling a secondary selection without starting a new one. So I changed the text to reflect that. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jul 06 17:12:21 2019 Received: (at 36365) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Jul 2019 21:12:21 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55941 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hjrym-0004ad-S2 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 06 Jul 2019 17:12:21 -0400 Received: from userp2130.oracle.com ([156.151.31.86]:33094) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hjryk-0004aO-KJ for 36365@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 06 Jul 2019 17:12:19 -0400 Received: from pps.filterd (userp2130.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp2130.oracle.com (8.16.0.27/8.16.0.27) with SMTP id x66L9v3U190628; Sat, 6 Jul 2019 21:12:11 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : cc : subject : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2018-07-02; bh=VLdSSLDHHEE7h+nwKhiIlOmQPCU/AVQzQlJ3FBCXTjU=; b=SnajBVITvAs9xq8ldTMzX8/FHGZ3/IN5pyi0oD7uwE4AboTioDqNoiJueQHfUftUoZ6W p5UmKvByAflqugJufpf3kEpXFWgmkagTE63DLlrSviQhVZJsGjhhXeoizym1nHmSvQnE PgNTnN35qJEVRxHOTXJ7jLd6aX1xxwJsgvOm0+UDUVMXg55vc/mVFIkWJWYUrrSNA581 5F4pFRK7w+nwyVcks2aFS3vfv3UVGqpl9rY24BxAkglDqEvgkXzuoEllrfSkkW60eqOc tbWbDI9t8pIZlnwE2/jRcEvgRF1WbdCd2XXL7CsNfIs3QTfrUlct+HR1uDPrKl3mByP9 WQ== Received: from aserp3030.oracle.com (aserp3030.oracle.com [141.146.126.71]) by userp2130.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2tjk2t9jy0-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 06 Jul 2019 21:12:10 +0000 Received: from pps.filterd (aserp3030.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by aserp3030.oracle.com (8.16.0.27/8.16.0.27) with SMTP id x66L7ouD049549; Sat, 6 Jul 2019 21:12:10 GMT Received: from aserv0122.oracle.com (aserv0122.oracle.com [141.146.126.236]) by aserp3030.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2tjhpc06tf-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 06 Jul 2019 21:12:10 +0000 Received: from abhmp0020.oracle.com (abhmp0020.oracle.com [141.146.116.26]) by aserv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id x66LC6js011639; Sat, 6 Jul 2019 21:12:09 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <8fdfad7b-00a1-4a89-ac77-7e13b058f83c@default> Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2019 14:12:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: Eli Zaretskii , mrsebastianurban@gmail.com Subject: RE: bug#36365: Add info how to deselect secondary selection (Emacs manual) References: <> <<83zhlr8sxv.fsf@gnu.org>> <<62734ba6-a335-710a-2d09-3b54f0d58bde@gmail.com>> <<834l3z81ni.fsf@gnu.org>> <<831rz38107.fsf@gnu.org>> In-Reply-To: <<831rz38107.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4861.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9310 signatures=668688 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1810050000 definitions=main-1907060285 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9310 signatures=668688 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 priorityscore=1501 malwarescore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1011 lowpriorityscore=0 mlxscore=0 impostorscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1810050000 definitions=main-1907060285 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 36365 Cc: 36365@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > I see now that there's no way of canceling a secondary selection > without starting a new one. So I changed the text to reflect that. Correct. An empty secondary selection is the same as no secondary selection (at least as far as Emacs is concerned). When you try to yank the empty secondary selection Emacs raises the error "No secondary selection". (That's as it should be, IMO.) 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([2a00:f41:1c74:8ccc:4d55:68c5:ad65:48f4]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id y16sm13637209wru.28.2019.07.07.01.05.50 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 07 Jul 2019 01:05:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Sebastian Urban Subject: Re: bug#36365: Add info how to deselect secondary selection (Emacs manual) To: Eli Zaretskii References: <83zhlr8sxv.fsf@gnu.org> <62734ba6-a335-710a-2d09-3b54f0d58bde@gmail.com> <834l3z81ni.fsf@gnu.org> <831rz38107.fsf@gnu.org> Message-ID: <2d744cb6-8aae-2af4-d4c1-1c263cbc5866@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2019 10:05:44 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <831rz38107.fsf@gnu.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 36365 Cc: 36365@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) > But I see nothing wrong with the doc string as it is. Right now the string is: Set one end of the secondary selection to the position clicked on. Use to set the other end and complete the secondary selection. As you can see - no information about deselect, so perhaps just copy-paste last sentence from your patch - "This command cancels any existing secondary selection, when it starts a new one." > I see now that there's no way of cancelling a secondary selection > without starting a new one. So I changed the text to reflect that. Alright, but I think: use @kbd{M-mouse-3} to set the other end and complete the selection. that this sentence from the patch is unnecessary. How to set secondary selection is in description of 'M-mouse-3' which is just ONE line below. In doc string of 'mouse-start-secondary' it is OK, because there is no description of 'M-mouse-3', but in the manual there is. 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([2a00:f41:1c66:2d81:5c35:60d5:a8da:e51f]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id o6sm149782916wra.27.2019.08.01.06.33.17 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 01 Aug 2019 06:33:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Sebastian Urban Subject: Re: bug#36365: Add info how to deselect secondary selection (Emacs manual) To: Sebastian Urban , Eli Zaretskii References: <83zhlr8sxv.fsf@gnu.org> <62734ba6-a335-710a-2d09-3b54f0d58bde@gmail.com> <834l3z81ni.fsf@gnu.org> <831rz38107.fsf@gnu.org> <2d744cb6-8aae-2af4-d4c1-1c263cbc5866@gmail.com> Message-ID: <599a8119-24c4-d1cc-c022-fdde7826b677@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2019 15:33:17 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <2d744cb6-8aae-2af4-d4c1-1c263cbc5866@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 36365 Cc: 36365@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) >> But I see nothing wrong with the doc string as it is. > > Right now the string is: > Set one end of the secondary selection to the position clicked > on. Use to set the other end and complete the > secondary selection. > > As you can see - no information about deselect, so perhaps just > copy-paste last sentence from your patch - "This command > cancels any existing secondary selection, when it starts a new > one." Any update on this... >> I see now that there's no way of cancelling a secondary selection >> without starting a new one. So I changed the text to reflect that. > > Alright, but I think: > use @kbd{M-mouse-3} to set the other end and complete the > selection. > > that this sentence from the patch is unnecessary. How to set > secondary selection is in description of 'M-mouse-3' which is just > ONE line below. In doc string of 'mouse-start-secondary' it is OK, > because there is no description of 'M-mouse-3', but in the manual > there is. and this? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Aug 02 05:00:29 2019 Received: (at 36365) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Aug 2019 09:00:29 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55768 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1htTQL-0007sh-Ds for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 02 Aug 2019 05:00:29 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:35098) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1htTQK-0007sT-Fa for 36365@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 02 Aug 2019 05:00:28 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:52557) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1htTQF-0001C4-9q; Fri, 02 Aug 2019 05:00:23 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2956 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1htTQE-0007pU-7T; Fri, 02 Aug 2019 05:00:22 -0400 Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2019 12:00:16 +0300 Message-Id: <831ry4gcwv.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Sebastian Urban In-reply-to: <599a8119-24c4-d1cc-c022-fdde7826b677@gmail.com> (message from Sebastian Urban on Thu, 1 Aug 2019 15:33:17 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#36365: Add info how to deselect secondary selection (Emacs manual) References: <83zhlr8sxv.fsf@gnu.org> <62734ba6-a335-710a-2d09-3b54f0d58bde@gmail.com> <834l3z81ni.fsf@gnu.org> <831rz38107.fsf@gnu.org> <2d744cb6-8aae-2af4-d4c1-1c263cbc5866@gmail.com> <599a8119-24c4-d1cc-c022-fdde7826b677@gmail.com> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 36365 Cc: mrsebastianurban@gmail.com, 36365@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Sebastian Urban > Cc: 36365@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2019 15:33:17 +0200 > > >> But I see nothing wrong with the doc string as it is. > > > > Right now the string is: > > Set one end of the secondary selection to the position clicked > > on. Use to set the other end and complete the > > secondary selection. > > > > As you can see - no information about deselect, so perhaps just > > copy-paste last sentence from your patch - "This command > > cancels any existing secondary selection, when it starts a new > > one." > > Any update on this... > > >> I see now that there's no way of cancelling a secondary selection > >> without starting a new one. So I changed the text to reflect that. > > > > Alright, but I think: > > use @kbd{M-mouse-3} to set the other end and complete the > > selection. > > > > that this sentence from the patch is unnecessary. How to set > > secondary selection is in description of 'M-mouse-3' which is just > > ONE line below. In doc string of 'mouse-start-secondary' it is OK, > > because there is no description of 'M-mouse-3', but in the manual > > there is. > > and this? I don't think there's anything wrong with the documentation you cite, and I thought I already explained why I thought so in this discussion. 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([2a00:f41:189b:b431:2c87:6eb7:dcbf:91a6]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id j33sm164268272wre.42.2019.08.02.03.52.22 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 02 Aug 2019 03:52:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Sebastian Urban Subject: Re: bug#36365: Add info how to deselect secondary selection (Emacs manual) To: Eli Zaretskii References: <83zhlr8sxv.fsf@gnu.org> <62734ba6-a335-710a-2d09-3b54f0d58bde@gmail.com> <834l3z81ni.fsf@gnu.org> <831rz38107.fsf@gnu.org> <2d744cb6-8aae-2af4-d4c1-1c263cbc5866@gmail.com> <599a8119-24c4-d1cc-c022-fdde7826b677@gmail.com> <831ry4gcwv.fsf@gnu.org> Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2019 12:52:23 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <831ry4gcwv.fsf@gnu.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 36365 Cc: 36365@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) > I don't think there's anything wrong with the documentation you > cite, and I thought I already explained why I thought so in this > discussion. Well, now I'm confused. I reread the thread and I found nothing but "I see nothing wrong with the doc string as it is" as an explanation for not changing the doc string of 'mouse-start-secondary'. And I'm still going to write that it's missing information about deselecting, which could be useful. As for description of 'M-mouse-1' in Emacs Manual, I will also write that the "use @kbd{M-mouse-3} to set the other end and complete the selection" part of the sentence below is unnecessary. From KILLING.TEXI (L604-610): @findex mouse-start-secondary @kindex M-mouse-1 @item M-mouse-1 Set one endpoint for the @dfn{secondary selection} (@code{mouse-start-secondary}); use @kbd{M-mouse-3} to set the other end and complete the selection. This command cancels any existing secondary selection, when it starts a new one. But in this case, if you have a reason for this, that I cannot see, I'll leave this one alone. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Aug 02 08:05:25 2019 Received: (at 36365) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Aug 2019 12:05:25 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55943 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1htWJJ-0001vF-3v for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 02 Aug 2019 08:05:25 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:49245) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1htWJG-0001v0-9V for 36365@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 02 Aug 2019 08:05:22 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:37267) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1htWJB-00075U-7i; Fri, 02 Aug 2019 08:05:17 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2292 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1htWJ8-0006qm-DK; Fri, 02 Aug 2019 08:05:16 -0400 Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2019 15:05:09 +0300 Message-Id: <83k1bvg4cq.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Sebastian Urban In-reply-to: (message from Sebastian Urban on Fri, 2 Aug 2019 12:52:23 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#36365: Add info how to deselect secondary selection (Emacs manual) References: <83zhlr8sxv.fsf@gnu.org> <62734ba6-a335-710a-2d09-3b54f0d58bde@gmail.com> <834l3z81ni.fsf@gnu.org> <831rz38107.fsf@gnu.org> <2d744cb6-8aae-2af4-d4c1-1c263cbc5866@gmail.com> <599a8119-24c4-d1cc-c022-fdde7826b677@gmail.com> <831ry4gcwv.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 36365 Cc: 36365@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Sebastian Urban > Cc: 36365@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2019 12:52:23 +0200 > > > I don't think there's anything wrong with the documentation you > > cite, and I thought I already explained why I thought so in this > > discussion. > > Well, now I'm confused. I reread the thread and I found nothing but > "I see nothing wrong with the doc string as it is" as an explanation > for not changing the doc string of 'mouse-start-secondary'. And I'm > still going to write that it's missing information about deselecting, > which could be useful. We've established that it isn't possible to deselect without making a new selection. So I don't think deselection is something we can describe, as it doesn't really exist. > As for description of 'M-mouse-1' in Emacs Manual, I will also write > that the "use @kbd{M-mouse-3} to set the other end and complete the > selection" part of the sentence below is unnecessary. > > From KILLING.TEXI (L604-610): > @findex mouse-start-secondary > @kindex M-mouse-1 > @item M-mouse-1 > Set one endpoint for the @dfn{secondary selection} > (@code{mouse-start-secondary}); use @kbd{M-mouse-3} to set the other > end and complete the selection. This command cancels any existing > secondary selection, when it starts a new one. > > But in this case, if you have a reason for this, that I cannot see, > I'll leave this one alone. Yes, the manual should generally present a coherent text, so the addition looked like an improvement to me. 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([2a00:f41:1c59:8855:80d6:f163:318d:91d7]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id f204sm119415633wme.18.2019.08.02.06.29.44 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 02 Aug 2019 06:29:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Sebastian Urban Subject: Re: bug#36365: Add info how to deselect secondary selection (Emacs manual) To: Eli Zaretskii References: <83zhlr8sxv.fsf@gnu.org> <62734ba6-a335-710a-2d09-3b54f0d58bde@gmail.com> <834l3z81ni.fsf@gnu.org> <831rz38107.fsf@gnu.org> <2d744cb6-8aae-2af4-d4c1-1c263cbc5866@gmail.com> <599a8119-24c4-d1cc-c022-fdde7826b677@gmail.com> <831ry4gcwv.fsf@gnu.org> <83k1bvg4cq.fsf@gnu.org> Message-ID: <781c121b-b801-a8cb-4bf7-e8335782a55d@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2019 15:29:43 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <83k1bvg4cq.fsf@gnu.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 36365 Cc: 36365@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) > We've established that it isn't possible to deselect without making > a new selection. True. > So I don't think deselection is something we can describe, as it > doesn't really exist. That's why additional sentence won't be: "This command cancels any existing secondary selection." Instead it should be: "This command cancels any existing secondary selection, when it starts a new one." This sentence is from your patch and is applied to 'M-mouse-1' description in the manual, which runs 'mouse-start-secondary'. >> As for description of 'M-mouse-1' in Emacs Manual, (...) > > Yes, the manual should generally present a coherent text, so the > addition looked like an improvement to me. OK, although I still disagree that this is an improvement, as I said in previous message, I'm leaving this one alone. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Aug 02 10:30:08 2019 Received: (at 36365) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Aug 2019 14:30:08 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57539 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1htYZL-00020e-6Y for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 02 Aug 2019 10:30:08 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:53856) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1htYZJ-0001vI-Pn for 36365@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 02 Aug 2019 10:30:06 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:40194) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1htYZE-0003W5-LV; Fri, 02 Aug 2019 10:30:00 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3180 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1htYZE-00013R-2q; Fri, 02 Aug 2019 10:30:00 -0400 Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2019 17:29:55 +0300 Message-Id: <83ef23fxng.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Sebastian Urban In-reply-to: <781c121b-b801-a8cb-4bf7-e8335782a55d@gmail.com> (message from Sebastian Urban on Fri, 2 Aug 2019 15:29:43 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#36365: Add info how to deselect secondary selection (Emacs manual) References: <83zhlr8sxv.fsf@gnu.org> <62734ba6-a335-710a-2d09-3b54f0d58bde@gmail.com> <834l3z81ni.fsf@gnu.org> <831rz38107.fsf@gnu.org> <2d744cb6-8aae-2af4-d4c1-1c263cbc5866@gmail.com> <599a8119-24c4-d1cc-c022-fdde7826b677@gmail.com> <831ry4gcwv.fsf@gnu.org> <83k1bvg4cq.fsf@gnu.org> <781c121b-b801-a8cb-4bf7-e8335782a55d@gmail.com> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 36365 Cc: 36365@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Sebastian Urban > Cc: 36365@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2019 15:29:43 +0200 > > > We've established that it isn't possible to deselect without making > > a new selection. > > True. > > > So I don't think deselection is something we can describe, as it > > doesn't really exist. > > That's why additional sentence won't be: > "This command cancels any existing secondary selection." > Instead it should be: > "This command cancels any existing secondary selection, when it > starts a new one." > > This sentence is from your patch and is applied to 'M-mouse-1' > description in the manual, which runs 'mouse-start-secondary'. It's okay for the manual to go an extra mile, but the fact that starting a new selection cancels the old one is a trivium, so it isn't necessary in the doc string. 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([2a00:f41:183d:eff3:142:ebf6:7a2e:1809]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id j9sm85874667wrn.81.2019.08.02.08.57.47 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 02 Aug 2019 08:57:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Sebastian Urban Subject: Re: bug#36365: Add info how to deselect secondary selection (Emacs manual) To: Eli Zaretskii References: <83zhlr8sxv.fsf@gnu.org> <62734ba6-a335-710a-2d09-3b54f0d58bde@gmail.com> <834l3z81ni.fsf@gnu.org> <831rz38107.fsf@gnu.org> <2d744cb6-8aae-2af4-d4c1-1c263cbc5866@gmail.com> <599a8119-24c4-d1cc-c022-fdde7826b677@gmail.com> <831ry4gcwv.fsf@gnu.org> <83k1bvg4cq.fsf@gnu.org> <781c121b-b801-a8cb-4bf7-e8335782a55d@gmail.com> <83ef23fxng.fsf@gnu.org> Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2019 17:57:45 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <83ef23fxng.fsf@gnu.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 36365 Cc: 36365@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) > It's okay for the manual to go an extra mile, but the fact that > starting a new selection cancels the old one is a trivium, so it > isn't necessary in the doc string. OK, if you say so, then from my point of view this discussion is finished. Thanks again for updating manual. From unknown Mon Aug 18 09:01:48 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2019 11:24:06 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator