From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jun 17 07:16:11 2019 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Jun 2019 11:16:11 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42067 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hcpcQ-0006N4-Qp for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 17 Jun 2019 07:16:11 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:45976) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hcpcM-0006Mt-LN for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 17 Jun 2019 07:16:09 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:50275) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hcpcL-0001gR-PF for bug-guix@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Jun 2019 07:16:06 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40,HTML_MESSAGE, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hcpcK-0008EM-NT for bug-guix@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Jun 2019 07:16:05 -0400 Received: from knopi.disroot.org ([178.21.23.139]:47496) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hcpcK-0008CE-9A for bug-guix@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Jun 2019 07:16:04 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by disroot.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E223134C06 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2019 13:16:01 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at disroot.org Received: from knopi.disroot.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (disroot.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id N5AVL2t5GkxQ for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2019 13:16:00 +0200 (CEST) Mime-Version: 1.0 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=disroot.org; s=mail; t=1560770160; bh=UxIVLB5Pmgjc2pcrg+zKwuw3cjWdjgJ5yljuwnE1fgw=; h=Date:From:Subject:To; b=HUdXPL8OfFheppymI7At6LEKbdDX45cuCSsmMMSnyJGpdqust266JqjCn08bPacBr 2RklBs9e1P3mMMWKyK35WyS+D1w3xzMewT9mQ/h85ccjBGv7/KFVTP+UkkEEsh6FEI 00umEkRbsNSgHxBX93sMZyu83DKAvslWVQLKQ/pBIQG1meDYwTqEFjXwL2SeAEQNKW bRZ+kupJjSQwFwqyQ+WnFwEfpEy8OgSWNua0e8bqCyrS/+Jyq/8bNf97mg4Vau+z9W SaGGf4dVd/4AH3p0WEnXqomSTvHKXwjO5rBog6ePa9bCnVKqkq/ZdpvfnwvaMz+xIo o6eT2jWO6OPFA== Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2019 11:16:00 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--=_RainLoop_307_490427300.1560770160" From: znavko@disroot.org Message-ID: <6e616e670a1e639d134346362daaac58@disroot.org> Subject: Does not reboot after guix init system To: "bug-guix" X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 178.21.23.139 X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) ----=_RainLoop_307_490427300.1560770160 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As manual says 'Once that command has completed=E2=80=94and hopefully suc= ceeded!=E2=80=94you can run reboot and boot into the new system.', guix r= eally does not reboot every time after manual installation. ----=_RainLoop_307_490427300.1560770160 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
A= s manual says 'Once that command has completed=E2=80=94and hopefully succ= eeded!=E2=80=94you can run reboot and boot into the new syst= em.', guix really does not reboot every time after manual installation.
----=_RainLoop_307_490427300.1560770160-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jun 18 09:41:54 2019 Received: (at 36261) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Jun 2019 13:41:54 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43952 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hdEN0-0006Lq-Hr for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 18 Jun 2019 09:41:54 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:44394) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hdEMx-0006LX-4c for 36261@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 18 Jun 2019 09:41:54 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:43863) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hdEMr-0008DH-Ac; Tue, 18 Jun 2019 09:41:45 -0400 Received: from [2001:660:6102:320:e120:2c8f:8909:cdfe] (port=60814 helo=ribbon) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1hdEMq-0003Bl-HI; Tue, 18 Jun 2019 09:41:44 -0400 From: =?utf-8?Q?Ludovic_Court=C3=A8s?= To: znavko@disroot.org Subject: Re: bug#36261: Does not reboot after guix init system References: <6e616e670a1e639d134346362daaac58@disroot.org> X-URL: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ X-Revolutionary-Date: 30 Prairial an 227 de la =?utf-8?Q?R=C3=A9volution?= X-PGP-Key-ID: 0x090B11993D9AEBB5 X-PGP-Key: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ludovic.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: 3CE4 6455 8A84 FDC6 9DB4 0CFB 090B 1199 3D9A EBB5 X-OS: x86_64-pc-linux-gnu Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 15:41:41 +0200 In-Reply-To: <6e616e670a1e639d134346362daaac58@disroot.org> (znavko@disroot.org's message of "Mon, 17 Jun 2019 11:16:00 +0000") Message-ID: <87lfxz57u2.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 36261 Cc: 36261@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Hi, znavko@disroot.org skribis: > As manual says 'Once that command has completed=E2=80=94and hopefully suc= ceeded!=E2=80=94you can run reboot and boot into the new system.', guix rea= lly does not reboot every time after manual installation. The sentence you quote says =E2=80=9Cyou can run =E2=80=98reboot=E2=80=99= =E2=80=9D. If you decide not to run =E2=80=98reboot=E2=80=99, it will not reboot. :-) HTH, Ludo=E2=80=99. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jun 18 09:42:15 2019 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Jun 2019 13:42:15 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43956 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hdENK-0006Mv-T3 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 18 Jun 2019 09:42:15 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:44451) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hdENJ-0006Mh-AM for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 18 Jun 2019 09:42:13 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:43867) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hdENB-000062-3L for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 18 Jun 2019 09:42:06 -0400 Received: from [2001:660:6102:320:e120:2c8f:8909:cdfe] (port=60820 helo=ribbon) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1hdENA-0003EE-Bd for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 18 Jun 2019 09:42:04 -0400 Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 15:42:03 +0200 Message-Id: <87k1dj57tg.fsf@gnu.org> To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: =?utf-8?Q?Ludovic_Court=C3=A8s?= Subject: control message for bug #36261 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) tags 36261 notabug close 36261 quit From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jun 18 10:29:15 2019 Received: (at 36261) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Jun 2019 14:29:15 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45374 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hdF6o-0001g2-Nf for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 18 Jun 2019 10:29:14 -0400 Received: from knopi.disroot.org ([178.21.23.139]:55992) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hdF6l-0001ft-UC for 36261@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 18 Jun 2019 10:29:13 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by disroot.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8040034D84; Tue, 18 Jun 2019 16:29:10 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at disroot.org Received: from knopi.disroot.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (disroot.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OyxI-lCOAHvn; Tue, 18 Jun 2019 16:29:09 +0200 (CEST) Mime-Version: 1.0 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=disroot.org; s=mail; t=1560868147; bh=mWGDi3akOjwgG3q2CP+4kHDB41fMHxb//7TZPyiKLg0=; h=Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References; b=d3qwdsFUDmLQI90ipxE+2zE/ohGm79R8LQF2eY5cxYZoGCku00fu6u20d8Z+tXMIw ldfSw+VtBhzxwFFl15rNbWnbI9P/u10C7TLDIEJ4UTDOYTo75+z80KnxrfmJS2hMFU 4246RE2icDwZdA4sbnpuEADd2VYiJrRX6Z4DFEUXpqWnU/K4Gcn/ICngfSDsdvQnTU 4z0FXOyNfM+36wGRNqImg3N/qeJS8mpt+3B1msL+QkGL83q0DP38jl36+lnNfM3jYg cm9kbp8uAh0+rKx2dswLJc73x2BN72Yhv4feaDYfn4kbjna/lhfjxQnOWQXO39gF5Y xE2ywUsgA2kGg== Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 14:29:07 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: znavko@disroot.org Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#36261: Does not reboot after guix init system To: "=?utf-8?B?THVkb3ZpYyBDb3VydMOocw==?=" In-Reply-To: <87lfxz57u2.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87lfxz57u2.fsf@gnu.org> <6e616e670a1e639d134346362daaac58@disroot.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 36261 Cc: 36261@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) when I run `reboot` command guix just make line break. And I can use anot= her ttys toperform other commands. And there on other ttys `reboot` comma= nd does not work too.=0A=0AJune 18, 2019 1:41 PM, "Ludovic Court=C3=A8s" = wrote:=0A=0A> Hi,=0A> =0A> znavko@disroot.org skribis:=0A>= =0A>> As manual says 'Once that command has completed=E2=80=94and hopefu= lly succeeded!=E2=80=94you can run reboot and=0A>> boot into the new syst= em.', guix really does not reboot every time after manual installation.= =0A> =0A> The sentence you quote says =E2=80=9Cyou can run =E2=80=98reboo= t=E2=80=99=E2=80=9D. If you decide not=0A> to run =E2=80=98reboot=E2=80= =99, it will not reboot. :-)=0A> =0A> HTH,=0A> Ludo=E2=80=99. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jun 18 21:19:49 2019 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Jun 2019 01:19:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45773 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hdPGP-0007By-6v for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 18 Jun 2019 21:19:49 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:38378) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hdO9g-0005Hk-R8 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 18 Jun 2019 20:08:49 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:41581) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hdO9f-0005b1-Sf for bug-guix@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Jun 2019 20:08:48 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hdO9e-0002qM-7p for bug-guix@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Jun 2019 20:08:47 -0400 Received: from mx1.riseup.net ([198.252.153.129]:60632) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hdO9e-0002pI-32 for bug-guix@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Jun 2019 20:08:46 -0400 Received: from bell.riseup.net (bell-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.178]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "COMODO RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DD6021A3053 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2019 17:08:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1560902924; bh=gR6sSTzd+sSMbmV6bimf9DXOP3wAXUphnlK4BTQZrjQ=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=GXYxwiwY1rio3NJH6O2/95Av+N0z9SBIXX7crc1pJQAuadA+7YBZI3gwYI5MiKlPy 8A5zFPkr66rqhMs8GDYF3oi1amJJkEsBU7Qm5+cahS3ixlhmW/RUdqu2jIhoV7qucr qt5MNMScEOWphdh1VKVbyOuLfzhxVnl8WJJpeQxg= X-Riseup-User-ID: FFD991C2D9D05E269CF4DA64935EFC7CE86077B2E0E98AB2EEFC19F7FA7CCA38 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bell.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B57092222F9 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2019 17:08:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 17:08:44 -0700 From: Quiliro's lists To: bug-guix@gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#36261: Does not reboot after guix init system In-Reply-To: References: <87lfxz57u2.fsf@gnu.org> <6e616e670a1e639d134346362daaac58@disroot.org> Message-ID: <471ac68db0ff65b5d1c9e43891c070f8@riseup.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 198.252.153.129 X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 21:19:48 -0400 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) El 2019-06-18 09:29, znavko@disroot.org escribi=C3=B3: > when I run `reboot` command guix just make line break. And I can use > another ttys toperform other commands. And there on other ttys > `reboot` command does not work too. I have had that problem too (even on installed systems). I have since decided to reboot by using '[sudo] shutdown' and after the computer powers off, pressing the power button. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jun 19 11:45:37 2019 Received: (at 36261) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Jun 2019 15:45:37 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47304 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hdcmG-0000Pr-Oq for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 19 Jun 2019 11:45:37 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:39135) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hdcmF-0000Pc-AM for 36261@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 19 Jun 2019 11:45:35 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:40022) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hdcm9-0006lX-US; Wed, 19 Jun 2019 11:45:29 -0400 Received: from [2a01:e0a:1d:7270:af76:b9b:ca24:c465] (port=51138 helo=ribbon) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1hdcm8-0001Vy-Dd; Wed, 19 Jun 2019 11:45:29 -0400 From: =?utf-8?Q?Ludovic_Court=C3=A8s?= To: znavko@disroot.org Subject: Re: bug#36261: Does not reboot after guix init system References: <87lfxz57u2.fsf@gnu.org> <6e616e670a1e639d134346362daaac58@disroot.org> X-URL: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ X-Revolutionary-Date: 1 Messidor an 227 de la =?utf-8?Q?R=C3=A9volution?= X-PGP-Key-ID: 0x090B11993D9AEBB5 X-PGP-Key: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ludovic.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: 3CE4 6455 8A84 FDC6 9DB4 0CFB 090B 1199 3D9A EBB5 X-OS: x86_64-pc-linux-gnu Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2019 17:45:26 +0200 In-Reply-To: (znavko@disroot.org's message of "Tue, 18 Jun 2019 14:29:07 +0000") Message-ID: <878stx37ft.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 36261 Cc: 36261@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Hello, znavko@disroot.org skribis: > when I run `reboot` command guix just make line break. And I can use anot= her ttys toperform other commands. And there on other ttys `reboot` command= does not work too. Hmm, do you see any hint on tty12 (hit Ctrl-Alt-F12) as to what might be hanging? What=E2=80=99s are the last messages on tty12? The automated installation tests all run =E2=80=98reboot=E2=80=99 once =E2= =80=98guix system init=E2=80=99 has completed, and apparently they haven=E2=80=99t run into t= he problem you describe. Thanks, Ludo=E2=80=99. From unknown Fri Jun 13 11:08:40 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2019 11:24:04 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator