From drew.adams@oracle.com Fri Jun 19 00:44:09 2009 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 19 Jun 2009 07:44:09 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.8 required=4.0 tests=AWL,FOURLA autolearn=no version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n5J7i5cp003862 for ; Fri, 19 Jun 2009 00:44:06 -0700 Received: from mail.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]:42594 helo=mx10.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1MHYlY-00051d-On for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Jun 2009 03:44:04 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MHYlU-0001uS-L6 for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Jun 2009 03:44:02 -0400 Received: from rcsinet12.oracle.com ([148.87.113.124]:46481 helo=rgminet12.oracle.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MHYlU-0001ts-9h for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Jun 2009 03:44:00 -0400 Received: from rgminet15.oracle.com (rcsinet15.oracle.com [148.87.113.117]) by rgminet12.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id n5J7hd9A029143 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Fri, 19 Jun 2009 07:43:40 GMT Received: from abhmt008.oracle.com (abhmt008.oracle.com [141.146.116.17]) by rgminet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id n5J7hxSE004898 for ; Fri, 19 Jun 2009 07:43:59 GMT Received: from dradamslap1 (/24.5.177.54) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Fri, 19 Jun 2009 00:43:52 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" To: Subject: 23.0.94; (elisp)Local Variables: xrefs to nodes for buffer-local and frame-local vars Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 00:43:51 -0700 Message-ID: <6375C856AF9C489FB881AF48C32FBE76@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcnwsbBZW6L8kpdiRZKa/V2vFC5zlA== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Source-IP: abhmt008.oracle.com [141.146.116.17] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A010206.4A3B41B9.00DD:SCFSTAT5015188,ss=1,fgs=0 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) It would help to add a cross reference in this Info node to the nodes that explain buffer-local vars and frame-local vars, saying that this is a different notion of "local" variable. And vice versa. Put xrefs at the nodes about buffer-local and frame-local, pointing to the other nodes (e.g. Local Variables). The aims are to (1) point to the other nodes, and (2) say that these are not closely related, in spite of their similar names. This would help because users are not necessarily clear that these are different critters, and looking for info about one, they might end up mistakenly reading about another, perhaps without even realizing it. In GNU Emacs 23.0.94.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2009-05-24 on SOFT-MJASON Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 configured using `configure --with-gcc (3.4)' From rgm@gnu.org Wed Nov 4 14:01:42 2009 Received: (at control) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 4 Nov 2009 22:01:42 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.8 required=4.0 tests=AWL,ONEWORD,VALID_BTS_CONTROL autolearn=no version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id nA4M1e7A002782 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 14:01:42 -0800 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1N5nv9-0000E4-Ub; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 17:01:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19185.63939.653937.427902@fencepost.gnu.org> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 17:01:39 -0500 From: Glenn Morris To: control Subject: control severity 3631 minor severity 3267 minor reassign 3267 emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com severity 3481 minor severity 3644 minor severity 3722 wishlist severity 4360 minor tags 3613 wontfix tags 2134 = severity 4731 minor severity 3849 wishlist close 3564 merge 4668 3227 tags 2792 wontfix minor severity 4433 minor severity 4668 minor severity 4562 minor severity 3934 minor severity 3856 minor severity 3801 minor severity 3615 minor severity 3599 minor severity 3598 minor severity 3575 minor severity 3566 minor severity 3550 minor severity 3549 minor severity 3527 minor severity 3525 minor severity 3524 minor severity 3523 minor severity 3519 minor severity 3509 minor severity 3503 minor severity 3393 minor severity 3371 minor severity 3320 minor severity 3313 minor severity 3249 minor severity 3227 minor severity 3138 minor severity 3135 minor severity 3137 minor severity 3052 minor severity 3042 minor severity 2974 minor severity 2946 minor severity 2792 minor severity 1749 minor severity 1375 minor severity 1144 minor From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jul 12 10:16:38 2011 Received: (at 3615) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Jul 2011 14:16:38 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QgdlN-00082p-Le for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 10:16:38 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QgdlK-00082M-Rs for 3615@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 10:16:35 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=quimbies.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Qgdl1-0002b1-0C; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 16:16:15 +0200 From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen To: "Drew Adams" Subject: Re: 23.0.94; (elisp)Local Variables: xrefs to nodes for buffer-local and frame-local vars In-Reply-To: <6375C856AF9C489FB881AF48C32FBE76@us.oracle.com> (Drew Adams's message of "Fri, 19 Jun 2009 00:43:51 -0700") Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 16:15:59 +0200 Message-ID: References: <6375C856AF9C489FB881AF48C32FBE76@us.oracle.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-Now-Playing: Japan's _Oil On Canvas (2)_: "Methods of Dance" X-Hashcash: 1:23:110712:drew.adams@oracle.com::83lpUmnbaNSxfWZT:0000000000000000000000000000000000000000AOti X-Hashcash: 1:23:110712:3615@debbugs.gnu.org::JEn9itnDWk7zxiWT:00000000000000000000000000000000000000000UUkD MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1Qgdl1-0002b1-0C X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1311084975.08273@fRBePNdcTBIQy2VlaFRvqw X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 3615 Cc: 3615@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) "Drew Adams" writes: > It would help to add a cross reference in this Info node to the nodes > that explain buffer-local vars and frame-local vars, saying that this > is a different notion of "local" variable. This seems to have been fixed. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jul 12 10:16:28 2011 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Jul 2011 14:16:28 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QgdlE-00082D-18 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 10:16:28 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QgdlC-00081y-PL for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 10:16:27 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=quimbies.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Qgdkt-0002aQ-8o for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 16:16:07 +0200 Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 16:16:06 +0200 Message-Id: To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #3615 X-MailScanner-ID: 1Qgdkt-0002aQ-8o X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1311084967.46155@7dMYhJZ+z6VYdVXJBJUnog X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) tags 3615 unreproducible close 3615 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jul 12 10:51:13 2011 Received: (at 3615) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Jul 2011 14:51:13 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QgeIr-0001HO-2f for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 10:51:13 -0400 Received: from rcsinet15.oracle.com ([148.87.113.117]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QgeIp-0001HD-Hr for 3615@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 10:51:12 -0400 Received: from acsinet22.oracle.com (acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238]) by rcsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.4/Switch-3.4.4) with ESMTP id p6CEp4mM007421 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Jul 2011 14:51:06 GMT Received: from acsmt356.oracle.com (acsmt356.oracle.com [141.146.40.156]) by acsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p6CEp3Ne008286 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 12 Jul 2011 14:51:03 GMT Received: from abhmt103.oracle.com (abhmt103.oracle.com [141.146.116.55]) by acsmt356.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p6CEovGq021310; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 09:50:57 -0500 Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.35.193) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 07:50:57 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" To: "'Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen'" References: <6375C856AF9C489FB881AF48C32FBE76@us.oracle.com> Subject: RE: 23.0.94; (elisp)Local Variables: xrefs to nodes for buffer-local and frame-local vars Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 07:50:55 -0700 Message-ID: <1BF023C158F54F2692880FF3D3861383@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 Thread-Index: AcxAnlC1juM14s7oQWK1a+8vixcs1QABKlHw X-Source-IP: acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090202.4E1C5F5A.0060:SCFMA922111,ss=1,re=-4.000,fgs=0 X-Spam-Score: -4.3 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 3615 Cc: 3615@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.3 (----) > This seems to have been fixed. No, I don't see that. Please read the report again. Where do you see, as one example, anything about frame-local variables here? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jul 12 11:13:20 2011 Received: (at 3615) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Jul 2011 15:13:20 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QgeeF-0002bD-M7 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 11:13:20 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QgeeC-0002ax-Qd for 3615@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 11:13:17 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=quimbies.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Qgedv-0003qu-Mu; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 17:12:59 +0200 From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen To: "Drew Adams" Subject: Re: 23.0.94; (elisp)Local Variables: xrefs to nodes for buffer-local and frame-local vars In-Reply-To: <1BF023C158F54F2692880FF3D3861383@us.oracle.com> (Drew Adams's message of "Tue, 12 Jul 2011 07:50:55 -0700") Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 17:12:56 +0200 Message-ID: References: <6375C856AF9C489FB881AF48C32FBE76@us.oracle.com> <1BF023C158F54F2692880FF3D3861383@us.oracle.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAGFBMVEXv5eKCorV2lagNCAw7 TVZnf44gHyTAvsEPKw+fAAACc0lEQVQ4jUWTQXObMBCFdzLp+CzGlLNUSH+ACOfaXdRrTZBzbgBx xR47/P2+lexYY7D9Pu2+3RWQDcGFMFFam3izdprI2iaM9fsX2Cybi7X8AQDULElfV9zOv63t5wiG 8bZ/lQ1P9gFeb3qMQKamnGmQTPPdWT4/oHzuIwi/IlgSgFK/tGTxPT8qXegZuV+PnhpYIGDZSH6B yGQnlwOEsGyk0nWRmjYo1v5zWwoh1KmFhL5JmR/uCjDOXwB9PIcILpLqb+p6EZ2eHMCOL4Ri7+OQ Recjyjy0n/SYbERXc0Rjfn8lnf+56Ui1WXovqa67M3FBMXea1TW4COaV2I3vd4P19NIMMqOLAPae 20JY7r0LI4T1cz6R71utsp7bn8tXaev36UK+M8ZkSmWeMQR0F9gNdc9UaW3AtFJaaFp6y8QeKsI6 6I/FDA+Gil3gmbnRnFs6ZAbOPhJZEWwRIX+6EqiK7J7JkVZCDILzzuOH6CVzIKOh6+pQeTaVj7kq BAyUUsO/9AaV40K3HG5AZ5Xfx924QccgY+cq63SbbI1BIh7uQKk+w1x0bCEGCOiUUWUnyaW/XsBg a/K+UzrfZ4jTmVTk2GGUIwD2tUqM5OrdCIehwawwy16rE/IZaS1EhzqCy37V4gsXjgF41QRUk75P tXQh1lq3JfkDH7KkFxnjyOWhHg84wWM6Pyw4p4CGc0fbFnqadnUPqPe+odHoAh5y4GhAeoO16a0M McuVuJQSIHrTlm+WFEYL1WRIFKRnPEA7P8QIVURnDtIalqt6DBE1FSZO1YWhEb2e2jeA6irOJ4VS hxQQuJXzMDL14iwOSW9GRib7Hw4x7QZYjlhBAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC X-Now-Playing: Peter Gabriel's _Peter Gabriel 1_: "Here Comes the Flood" X-Hashcash: 1:23:110712:3615@debbugs.gnu.org::jYtPDHpGtCI/z0Lh:000000000000000000000000000000000000000006w2U X-Hashcash: 1:23:110712:drew.adams@oracle.com::hdiPvwpUwKe6qbDy:00000000000000000000000000000000000000015ORd MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1Qgedv-0003qu-Mu X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1311088380.69466@k4U3qszhuKyMjTZGAEvL2A X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 3615 Cc: 3615@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) "Drew Adams" writes: > Where do you see, as one example, anything about frame-local variables here? frame-local variables are pretty much deprecated, so there didn't seem to be any point. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jul 12 12:09:20 2011 Received: (at 3615) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Jul 2011 16:09:20 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QgfWR-0005c6-1H for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 12:09:19 -0400 Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com ([141.146.126.227]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QgfWP-0005bu-B7 for 3615@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 12:09:17 -0400 Received: from rtcsinet21.oracle.com (rtcsinet21.oracle.com [66.248.204.29]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.4/Switch-3.4.4) with ESMTP id p6CG98fN016757 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Jul 2011 16:09:10 GMT Received: from acsmt358.oracle.com (acsmt358.oracle.com [141.146.40.158]) by rtcsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p6CG97EB011512 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 12 Jul 2011 16:09:08 GMT Received: from abhmt118.oracle.com (abhmt118.oracle.com [141.146.116.70]) by acsmt358.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p6CG91R0028033; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 11:09:01 -0500 Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.35.193) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 09:09:01 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" To: "'Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen'" References: <6375C856AF9C489FB881AF48C32FBE76@us.oracle.com><1BF023C158F54F2692880FF3D3861383@us.oracle.com> Subject: RE: 23.0.94; (elisp)Local Variables: xrefs to nodes for buffer-local and frame-local vars Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 09:08:58 -0700 Message-ID: <2BC2457D71864C71B17EC79B1D44E934@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 Thread-Index: AcxApjtEdhMAeTn9QVGIm+DsQD4hAwABj4/A X-Source-IP: rtcsinet21.oracle.com [66.248.204.29] X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090209.4E1C71A7.0018:SCFSTAT5015188, ss=1, re=-4.000, fgs=0 X-Spam-Score: -4.3 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 3615 Cc: 3615@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.3 (----) > > Where do you see, as one example, anything about > > frame-local variables here? > > frame-local variables are pretty much deprecated, so there didn't seem > to be any point. 1. There is an Elisp manual node, `Frame-Local Variables'. It is even in the main Elisp menu (`Top'), which emphasizes its importance. If frame-local variables have been deprecated and are not to be referred to in the doc, then a much bigger correction to the manual is needed than just what this bug report calls for: remove that node and all references to it. However, I see _nothing_ in NEWS about frame-local variables being deprecated. 2. In any case, this bug report is about more than frame-local variables. There is now a cross ref from `Local Variables' to `Buffer-Local Variables' (good), but there is still no cross ref from the latter to the former. And still no explanation at `Local Variables' that it describes a different notion of "local variable" from the other two. It especially needs to be pointed out that "these [three notions] are not closely related, in spite of their similar names", as the bug report says. This is not at all obvious, and is a recurrent cause of confusion. Note, BTW, that there _is_ a cross ref from `Buffer-Local Variables' to `Frame-Local Variables', and vice-versa. What's missing are the connections to `Local Variables'. From unknown Thu Aug 14 21:49:26 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: Did not alter fixed versions and reopened. Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 16:11:01 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # Did not alter fixed versions and reopened. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jul 12 12:13:13 2011 Received: (at 3615) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Jul 2011 16:13:14 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QgfaC-0005hy-TI for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 12:13:13 -0400 Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com ([141.146.126.227]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QgfaA-0005hn-NE for 3615@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 12:13:11 -0400 Received: from rtcsinet21.oracle.com (rtcsinet21.oracle.com [66.248.204.29]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.4/Switch-3.4.4) with ESMTP id p6CGD2hh021472 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Jul 2011 16:13:04 GMT Received: from acsmt358.oracle.com (acsmt358.oracle.com [141.146.40.158]) by rtcsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p6CGD1qj017935 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 12 Jul 2011 16:13:02 GMT Received: from abhmt120.oracle.com (abhmt120.oracle.com [141.146.116.72]) by acsmt358.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p6CGCuG1031040; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 11:12:56 -0500 Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.35.193) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 09:12:55 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" To: "'Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen'" References: <6375C856AF9C489FB881AF48C32FBE76@us.oracle.com><1BF023C158F54F2692880FF3D3861383@us.oracle.com> Subject: RE: 23.0.94; (elisp)Local Variables: xrefs to nodes for buffer-local and frame-local vars Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 09:12:53 -0700 Message-ID: <90AA197B92BC4A079B84F513F24638AA@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 Thread-Index: AcxApjtEdhMAeTn9QVGIm+DsQD4hAwACBphA X-Source-IP: rtcsinet21.oracle.com [66.248.204.29] X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090201.4E1C7291.0031:SCFSTAT5015188, ss=1, re=-4.000, fgs=0 X-Spam-Score: -4.3 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 3615 Cc: 3615@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.3 (----) It was inappropriate to close this bug as `unreproducible'. The bug description still applies. It is reproducible, at least in this recent build: In GNU Emacs 24.0.50.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2011-06-27 on 3249CTO Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 configured using `configure --with-gcc (4.5) --no-opt --cflags -Ic:/build/include' From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jul 12 13:24:00 2011 Received: (at 3615) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Jul 2011 17:24:01 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qgggh-0008Be-Ud for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 13:24:00 -0400 Received: from vm-emlprdomr-02.its.yale.edu ([130.132.50.143]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qgggg-0008BT-9i for 3615@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 13:23:58 -0400 Received: from furball (dhcp128036014025.central.yale.edu [128.36.14.25]) (authenticated bits=0) by vm-emlprdomr-02.its.yale.edu (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p6CHNp47005524 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Tue, 12 Jul 2011 13:23:52 -0400 From: Chong Yidong To: "Drew Adams" Subject: Re: bug#3615: 23.0.94; (elisp)Local Variables: xrefs to nodes for buffer-local and frame-local vars References: <6375C856AF9C489FB881AF48C32FBE76@us.oracle.com> <1BF023C158F54F2692880FF3D3861383@us.oracle.com> <2BC2457D71864C71B17EC79B1D44E934@us.oracle.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 13:23:51 -0400 In-Reply-To: <2BC2457D71864C71B17EC79B1D44E934@us.oracle.com> (Drew Adams's message of "Tue, 12 Jul 2011 09:08:58 -0700") Message-ID: <8739ibh0pk.fsf@stupidchicken.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.71 on 130.132.50.143 X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 3615 Cc: 'Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen' , 3615@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) "Drew Adams" writes: > 1. There is an Elisp manual node, `Frame-Local Variables'. It is even > in the main Elisp menu (`Top'), which emphasizes its importance. > > If frame-local variables have been deprecated and are not to be > referred to in the doc, then a much bigger correction to the manual is > needed than just what this bug report calls for: remove that node and > all references to it. > > However, I see _nothing_ in NEWS about frame-local variables being > deprecated. You're looking in the wrong NEWS. Check out the NEWS for Emacs 22... I'll work on removing the Frame-Local Variables node from the Elisp manual. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jul 12 13:34:04 2011 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Jul 2011 17:34:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QggqS-0008Q3-I2 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 13:34:04 -0400 Received: from vm-emlprdomr-06.its.yale.edu ([130.132.50.147]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QggqQ-0008Pa-3c for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 13:34:03 -0400 Received: from furball (dhcp128036014025.central.yale.edu [128.36.14.25]) (authenticated bits=0) by vm-emlprdomr-06.its.yale.edu (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p6CHXu9G025345 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 13:33:56 -0400 From: Chong Yidong To: control@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: close 3615 Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 13:33:55 -0400 Message-ID: <87aacjl7y4.fsf@stupidchicken.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.71 on 130.132.50.147 X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) close 3615 thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jul 13 02:51:53 2011 Received: (at 3615) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Jul 2011 06:51:53 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QgtIT-0004s2-9O for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 02:51:53 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QgtIN-0004ro-Ku for 3615@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 02:51:47 -0400 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QgtIH-0003cl-E7; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 02:51:37 -0400 Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 02:51:37 -0400 Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 From: Richard Stallman To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen In-reply-to: (message from Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen on Tue, 12 Jul 2011 17:12:56 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#3615: 23.0.94; (elisp)Local Variables: xrefs to nodes for buffer-local and frame-local vars References: <6375C856AF9C489FB881AF48C32FBE76@us.oracle.com> <1BF023C158F54F2692880FF3D3861383@us.oracle.com> X-Spam-Score: -6.6 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 3615 Cc: drew.adams@oracle.com, 3615@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: rms@gnu.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.6 (------) Why deprecate frame-local variables? -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use free telephony http://directory.fsf.org/category/tel/ From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jul 13 06:58:43 2011 Received: (at 3615) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Jul 2011 10:58:43 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qgx9O-0002ub-S8 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 06:58:43 -0400 Received: from mail-pv0-f172.google.com ([74.125.83.172]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qgx9M-0002uP-RN for 3615@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 06:58:41 -0400 Received: by pvh18 with SMTP id 18so4915328pvh.3 for <3615@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 03:58:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=NY1HqD6gVSqRHL7nsY/6Ysz6jQA5PE5Bi8zFeInhBqY=; b=MByFqzfTdNV/JOG0B+xOFtEzYG69foza0OJ9VcFYJ53VkD8MZI5wL0/j16bIRTWbyj Tg0muDFU9rjdzzxTUi0AaqXh6yZySyfr/Hz9bXCG+dlyl62ztK04ZyPCRMpVO71GSdyZ IgwLpo7gHJxIpzVc/7OR1/5F1MYyUAMBUGluA= Received: by 10.142.120.1 with SMTP id s1mr464648wfc.252.1310554714136; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 03:58:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.144.4 with HTTP; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 03:57:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <6375C856AF9C489FB881AF48C32FBE76@us.oracle.com> <1BF023C158F54F2692880FF3D3861383@us.oracle.com> From: Juanma Barranquero Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 12:57:54 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#3615: 23.0.94; (elisp)Local Variables: xrefs to nodes for buffer-local and frame-local vars To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -3.4 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 3615 Cc: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen , 3615@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.4 (---) > Why deprecate frame-local variables? There's a long thread in emacs-devel, titled "frame-local variables weirdness", started on 2006-12-05. After many exchanges, you said: "When frame-local variables were first implemented, there was no other way to put frame-specific data in the mode line. But now there is, with :eval. Since they are hardly used, and the original motive for them no longer applies, we may as well delete the feature. Would you like to do that?" and Stefan answered: "Sure. I currently just marked it obsolete in the 22 branch (with a note i= n NEWS), see patch below. I'll change the pieces of code which make use of that feature on the trunk. If anybody wants to help out: feel free." and then you said: "I will delete them from the Lisp manual." Basically, they are a source of subtle, obscure bugs; they do not provide (almost) anything that cannot be done with (set-)?frame-parameter, and after ten years or so of its implementation they had all of four uses in the sources, all of them trivial and trivially changed. =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Juanma From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jul 13 14:32:40 2011 Received: (at 3615) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Jul 2011 18:32:40 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qh4Ee-0003qM-Rz for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 14:32:40 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qh4EY-0003q4-Ig for 3615@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 14:32:34 -0400 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qh4ET-0005XU-5e; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 14:32:25 -0400 Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 14:32:25 -0400 Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 From: Richard Stallman To: Juanma Barranquero In-reply-to: (message from Juanma Barranquero on Wed, 13 Jul 2011 12:57:54 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#3615: 23.0.94; (elisp)Local Variables: xrefs to nodes for buffer-local and frame-local vars References: <6375C856AF9C489FB881AF48C32FBE76@us.oracle.com> <1BF023C158F54F2692880FF3D3861383@us.oracle.com> X-Spam-Score: -6.6 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 3615 Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 3615@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: rms@gnu.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.6 (------) Thanks. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! 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