From drew.adams@oracle.com Wed Jun 17 09:56:34 2009 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 17 Jun 2009 16:56:34 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=4.0 tests=AWL,FOURLA autolearn=no version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n5HGuSuc023409 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 2009 09:56:29 -0700 Received: from mail.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]:55503 helo=mx10.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1MGyR1-0007Jt-Nl for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Jun 2009 12:56:27 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MGyR0-0005ES-PO for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Jun 2009 12:56:27 -0400 Received: from rcsinet11.oracle.com ([148.87.113.123]:38489 helo=rgminet11.oracle.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MGyR0-0005EE-CM for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Jun 2009 12:56:26 -0400 Received: from rgminet15.oracle.com (rcsinet15.oracle.com [148.87.113.117]) by rgminet11.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id n5HGvRtP018537 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Wed, 17 Jun 2009 16:57:29 GMT Received: from abhmt009.oracle.com (abhmt009.oracle.com [141.146.116.18]) by rgminet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id n5HGuSK2018481 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 2009 16:56:29 GMT Received: from dradamslap1 (/141.144.73.196) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Wed, 17 Jun 2009 09:56:21 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" To: Subject: 23.0.94; (elisp)Window Tree: Need to define root window Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 09:56:35 -0700 Message-ID: <7B609A2E692F49BAB4BC3CA819A7FC49@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcnvbJL+BQpFjfFZSeKcnxjdoNSvvw== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Source-IP: abhmt009.oracle.com [141.146.116.18] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A010204.4A392036.0389:SCFSTAT5015188,ss=1,fgs=0 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) "where ROOT represents the window tree of the frame's root window" So what is the "frame's root window" - what does that mean? Note too that "root window" means something about window manager windows, outside Emacs, so it is all the more important to explain this concept. In GNU Emacs 23.0.94.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2009-05-24 on SOFT-MJASON Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 configured using `configure --with-gcc (3.4)' From drew.adams@oracle.com Wed Jun 17 11:06:10 2009 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 17 Jun 2009 18:06:11 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=4.0 tests=AWL,FOURLA,HAS_BUG_NUMBER autolearn=unavailable version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n5HI66fJ004608 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 2009 11:06:07 -0700 Received: from mx10.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]:58365) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1MGzWP-0001VB-Kp for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Jun 2009 14:06:05 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MGzWO-0000lt-Cp for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Jun 2009 14:06:05 -0400 Received: from rcsinet11.oracle.com ([148.87.113.123]:55255 helo=rgminet11.oracle.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MGzWO-0000ld-1M for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Jun 2009 14:06:04 -0400 Received: from rgminet15.oracle.com (rcsinet15.oracle.com [148.87.113.117]) by rgminet11.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id n5HI6s2v011611 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 17 Jun 2009 18:06:56 GMT Received: from abhmt003.oracle.com (abhmt003.oracle.com [141.146.116.12]) by rgminet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id n5HI5tju032653; Wed, 17 Jun 2009 18:05:56 GMT Received: from dradamslap1 (/141.144.73.196) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Wed, 17 Jun 2009 11:05:48 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" To: <3599@debbugs.gnu.org>, References: <7B609A2E692F49BAB4BC3CA819A7FC49@us.oracle.com> Subject: RE: bug#3599: 23.0.94; (elisp)Window Tree: Need to define root window Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 11:06:02 -0700 Message-ID: <96A9768BFBA04734894DDF33B20E1835@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <7B609A2E692F49BAB4BC3CA819A7FC49@us.oracle.com> Thread-Index: AcnvbJL+BQpFjfFZSeKcnxjdoNSvvwACX6rg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Source-IP: abhmt003.oracle.com [141.146.116.12] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090206.4A39307D.0366:SCFSTAT5015188,ss=1,fgs=0 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) FWIW - Googling for "root window emacs", I see that the XEmacs doc does explain this concept. I recommend that GNU Emacs do something similar in this regard. http://www.xemacs.org/Documentation/beta/html/internals_26.html From rudalics@gmx.at Thu Jun 18 03:09:04 2009 Received: (at 3599) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 18 Jun 2009 10:09:04 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.5 required=4.0 tests=AWL,FOURLA,HAS_BUG_NUMBER autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with SMTP id n5IA8x0P006187 for <3599@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Thu, 18 Jun 2009 03:09:01 -0700 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 18 Jun 2009 10:08:53 -0000 Received: from 62-47-35-144.adsl.highway.telekom.at (EHLO [62.47.35.144]) [62.47.35.144] by mail.gmx.net (mp006) with SMTP; 18 Jun 2009 12:08:53 +0200 X-Authenticated: #14592706 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19Sr0BkWPNSK6WC4xq6N4MHpgpwm0TQO9MOoacA4O dEA2X/YYSjiY0b Message-ID: <4A3A11E3.7070806@gmx.at> Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 12:07:31 +0200 From: martin rudalics User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Drew Adams , 3599@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#3599: 23.0.94; (elisp)Window Tree: Need to define root window References: <7B609A2E692F49BAB4BC3CA819A7FC49@us.oracle.com> In-Reply-To: <7B609A2E692F49BAB4BC3CA819A7FC49@us.oracle.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.75 > "where ROOT represents the window tree of the frame's root window" > > So what is the "frame's root window" - what does that mean? > > Note too that "root window" means something about window manager > windows, outside Emacs, so it is all the more important to explain > this concept. The term "root window" has been used internally for a long time and probably was exhibited here for lack of a better term. `window-tree' is currently used only for balancing window sizes and I wasn't yet able to understand neither the subtleties of the code nor its documentation. So suggestions welcome ... martin From drew.adams@oracle.com Thu Jun 18 07:11:05 2009 Received: (at 3599) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 18 Jun 2009 14:11:06 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.3 required=4.0 tests=AWL,FOURLA,HAS_BUG_NUMBER autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from acsinet11.oracle.com (acsinet11.oracle.com [141.146.126.233]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n5IEB1qi012562 for <3599@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Thu, 18 Jun 2009 07:11:02 -0700 Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com (acsinet15.oracle.com [141.146.126.227]) by acsinet11.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id n5IEBsTw021342 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 18 Jun 2009 14:11:55 GMT Received: from abhmt008.oracle.com (abhmt008.oracle.com [141.146.116.17]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id n5IECDr6003914; Thu, 18 Jun 2009 14:12:13 GMT Received: from dradamslap1 (/141.144.74.8) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Thu, 18 Jun 2009 07:10:52 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" To: "'martin rudalics'" , <3599@debbugs.gnu.org> References: <7B609A2E692F49BAB4BC3CA819A7FC49@us.oracle.com> <4A3A11E3.7070806@gmx.at> Subject: RE: bug#3599: 23.0.94; (elisp)Window Tree: Need to define root window Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 07:11:10 -0700 Message-ID: <3B434485C72548C6844A77C0E837BD83@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <4A3A11E3.7070806@gmx.at> Thread-Index: Acnv/NrkQrxEQQLsR/CxU3HyMBuBPAAIS0SA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Source-IP: abhmt008.oracle.com [141.146.116.17] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A010205.4A3A4AED.009F:SCFSTAT5015188,ss=1,fgs=0 > > "where ROOT represents the window tree of the frame's root window" > > > > So what is the "frame's root window" - what does that mean? > > > > Note too that "root window" means something about window manager > > windows, outside Emacs, so it is all the more important to explain > > this concept. > > The term "root window" has been used internally for a long time and > probably was exhibited here for lack of a better term. > `window-tree' is currently used only for balancing window sizes and > I wasn't yet able to understand neither the subtleties of the code > nor its documentation. > > So suggestions welcome ... I hope that's an appeal to someone else, who understands this stuff. ;-) I don't. If you, who are perhaps our best expert on window stuff (you have done most of the work on it recently, for example), do not understand the subtleties of the code or the doc, then think of us poor users who have a lot less understanding than you of this stuff. I truly hope that someone knowledgeable steps up to the plate and makes this (both the code, with comments, and the doc) comprehensible. You and others are maintaining and improving this code. It would be good for everyone, maintainers and users alike, to have an idea what this is all about. From rgm@gnu.org Wed Nov 4 14:01:42 2009 Received: (at control) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 4 Nov 2009 22:01:42 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. 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6 Oct 2011 09:40:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RBkRP-00014M-E1 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 06 Oct 2011 05:40:35 -0400 Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([213.165.64.22]) by debbugs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RBkRN-000149-9R for 3599-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 06 Oct 2011 05:40:34 -0400 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 06 Oct 2011 09:40:18 -0000 Received: from 62-47-36-56.adsl.highway.telekom.at (EHLO [62.47.36.56]) [62.47.36.56] by mail.gmx.net (mp054) with SMTP; 06 Oct 2011 11:40:18 +0200 X-Authenticated: #14592706 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19HKxhTyR5Hb1VRzYdzTTGOj2C50bOcAPLmm0h6Xy 7ksMxDWW57u2YC Message-ID: <4E8D7781.5040704@gmx.at> Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2011 11:40:17 +0200 From: martin rudalics User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 3599-done@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#3599: (elisp)Window Tree: Need to define root window Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 3599-done X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) Bugs #3598 (doc string of frame-root-window) and #3599 ((elisp)Window Tree: Need to define root window) were fixed by providing corresponding descriptions in the Elisp manual. martin From unknown Tue Jun 24 17:26:06 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. 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