From unknown Fri Sep 05 08:57:57 2025 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#3579: 23.0.94; Customize: Cannot see error messages if use standalone minibuffer Reply-To: "Drew Adams" , 3579@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 17:20:04 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: report 3579 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B.12450859044303 (code B ref -1); Mon, 15 Jun 2009 17:20:04 +0000 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 15 Jun 2009 17:11:44 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=4.0 tests=AWL,FOURLA autolearn=no version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n5FHBeJM004298 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 2009 10:11:41 -0700 Received: from mail.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]:34626 helo=mx10.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1MGFid-0002p6-Lh for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jun 2009 13:11:39 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MGFic-00030V-Ay for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jun 2009 13:11:39 -0400 Received: from rcsinet12.oracle.com ([148.87.113.124]:17894 helo=rgminet12.oracle.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MGFib-00030E-V2 for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jun 2009 13:11:38 -0400 Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com (acsinet15.oracle.com [141.146.126.227]) by rgminet12.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id n5FHBJHp008206 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Mon, 15 Jun 2009 17:11:21 GMT Received: from abhmt001.oracle.com (abhmt001.oracle.com [141.146.116.10]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id n5FHCn8n020530 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 2009 17:12:49 GMT Received: from dradamslap1 (/130.35.178.194) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Mon, 15 Jun 2009 10:11:32 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" To: Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 10:11:36 -0700 Message-ID: <769A36CCB7F24081932EDA6DDE69C4D5@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: Acnt3FbSjgmnVvw+RHGW0erA90LiGg== X-Source-IP: abhmt001.oracle.com [141.146.116.10] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090206.4A3680C5.0173:SCFSTAT5015188,ss=1,fgs=0 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) Can't give a great recipe for this - you have to set up Emacs to use a standalone minibuffer (separate frame) only. That's all you need to do, I believe, to reproduce it. Edit an option value to make it invalid - e.g. edit an integer field to be 2.5. Then choose Set for Current Session in the State menu. You will not see an error message in the minibuffer frame (which is where the echo area is), or anywhere else. The message does get logged to *Messages*, but the user gets no feedback at all. Note that mouseover messages appear fine in the echo area. E.g. turn off tooltip-mode and put the mouse over the State button. You will see the text in the echo area. Likewise, other Emacs messages, as produced by `message' and `error', for instance, appear fine in the echo area. It is only Customize messages that do not appear anywhere. In GNU Emacs 23.0.94.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2009-05-24 on SOFT-MJASON Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 configured using `configure --with-gcc (3.4)' From unknown Fri Sep 05 08:57:57 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#3579: 23.0.94; Customize: Cannot see error messages if use standalone minibuffer Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 05:24:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 3579 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: "Drew Adams" Cc: 3579@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 3579-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B3579.13920097834492 (code B ref 3579); Mon, 10 Feb 2014 05:24:01 +0000 Received: (at 3579) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Feb 2014 05:23:03 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33596 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WCjKg-0001AB-L9 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 00:23:03 -0500 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:57827) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WCjKe-00019h-EH for 3579@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 00:23:00 -0500 Received: from [204.14.154.233] (helo=building.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1WCjKQ-0006fm-2X; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 06:22:46 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: <769A36CCB7F24081932EDA6DDE69C4D5@us.oracle.com> Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2014 21:21:32 -0800 In-Reply-To: <769A36CCB7F24081932EDA6DDE69C4D5@us.oracle.com> (Drew Adams's message of "Mon, 15 Jun 2009 10:11:36 -0700") Message-ID: <87wqh37db7.fsf@building.gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13001 (Ma Gnus v0.10) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1WCjKQ-0006fm-2X X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1392614566.68317@S3pCPqt/0RHquemgRSIRtg X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) "Drew Adams" writes: > Can't give a great recipe for this - you have to set up Emacs to use a > standalone minibuffer (separate frame) only. That's all you need to > do, I believe, to reproduce it. > > Edit an option value to make it invalid - e.g. edit an integer field > to be 2.5. Then choose Set for Current Session in the State menu. You > will not see an error message in the minibuffer frame (which is where > the echo area is), or anywhere else. The message does get logged to > *Messages*, but the user gets no feedback at all. > > Note that mouseover messages appear fine in the echo area. E.g. turn > off tooltip-mode and put the mouse over the State button. You will see > the text in the echo area. Likewise, other Emacs messages, as produced > by `message' and `error', for instance, appear fine in the echo > area. It is only Customize messages that do not appear anywhere. This was four years ago. Are you still seeing this problem? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From unknown Fri Sep 05 08:57:57 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#3579: 23.0.94; Customize: Cannot see error messages if use standalone minibuffer Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 05:48:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 3579 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Cc: 3579@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 3579-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B3579.139201123911543 (code B ref 3579); Mon, 10 Feb 2014 05:48:01 +0000 Received: (at 3579) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Feb 2014 05:47:19 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33641 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WCjiA-000305-N9 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 00:47:19 -0500 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:28474) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WCji7-0002zw-Ea for 3579@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 00:47:15 -0500 Received: from ucsinet21.oracle.com (ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id s1A5lExJ014005 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Feb 2014 05:47:14 GMT Received: from aserz7021.oracle.com (aserz7021.oracle.com [141.146.126.230]) by ucsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s1A5lCXH029542 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 10 Feb 2014 05:47:13 GMT Received: from abhmp0005.oracle.com (abhmp0005.oracle.com [141.146.116.11]) by aserz7021.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s1A5lC2O016447; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 05:47:12 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 21:47:09 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Adams References: <769A36CCB7F24081932EDA6DDE69C4D5@us.oracle.com> <87wqh37db7.fsf@building.gnus.org> In-Reply-To: <87wqh37db7.fsf@building.gnus.org> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8 (707110) [OL 12.0.6680.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93] X-Spam-Score: -2.9 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.9 (--) > This was four years ago. Are you still seeing this problem? Yes (but see below). What actually happens (I might not have been aware of this when I sent the report) is that the error message flashes in the echo area very briefly, but it is immediately replaced by the previous echo area contents, which might be a message, such as `Back to top level' or it might be blank space (perhaps from a call such as (message nil)?). IOW, I think the problem is that the error message is transient, and far too brief. There is no reason to restore whatever echo-area contents were there before. With emacs -Q the error message remains. It seems there is something in my setup, besides just useing a standalong minibuffer, that causes this. I will try to bisect the code later to see if I can narrow it down. You can close this bug, please. If I narrow it down and find an Emacs bug I'll report it. Thx. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Feb 10 00:54:47 2014 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Feb 2014 05:54:47 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33666 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WCjpO-0003Ck-OR for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 00:54:46 -0500 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:34237) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WCjpM-0003CZ-Fs for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 00:54:44 -0500 Received: from [204.14.154.233] (helo=building.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1WCjp8-000785-Ju for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 06:54:31 +0100 Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2014 21:53:17 -0800 Message-Id: <877g937bua.fsf@building.gnus.org> To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #3579 X-MailScanner-ID: 1WCjp8-000785-Ju X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1392616471.36552@iRQaUaFHarwGjEH9Uzwbsw X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) close 3579