GNU bug report logs - #35564
27.0.50; [PATCH] Tweak dired-do-shell-command warning about "wildcard" characters

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Message #23 received at 35564 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Drew Adams <drew.adams <at> oracle.com>
To: Kévin Le Gouguec <kevin.legouguec <at> gmail.com>, martin
 rudalics <rudalics <at> gmx.at>
Cc: 35564 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: RE: bug#35564: 27.0.50; [PATCH] Tweak dired-do-shell-command warning
 about "wildcard" characters
Date: Wed, 8 May 2019 15:39:56 -0700 (PDT)

> Drew Adams <drew.adams <at> oracle.com> writes:
> 
> > I don't see any good reason why face `minibuffer-prompt'
> > should be used, especially by default (users can do
> > whatever they like) for situations where there is no
> > active minibuffer, i.e., for prompting situations
> > generally.  It should instead serve as a useful clue
> > that the minibuffer is being used.  (Just one opinion.)
> 
> I'd hazard a guess[1] that this was done to make y-or-n-p and
> yes-or-no-p similar from a UI point of view: they both prompt the user
> for a binary answer, therefore the prompt might as well look the same in
> both situations.
> 
> From what I can tell the use of 'minibuffer-prompt' in minibuffer-less
> situations has enough precedents (the "other clients" Martin mentions)
> that the "minibuffer-" prefix might be considered a historical accident
> by now…

Not an accident.  The "precedents" are themselves bugs,
IMO.  The minibuffer is the minibuffer.  It's important
that users be aware when it is active.  That may not
matter much for `yes-or-no-p', as it insists on "yes"
or "no".  But it is important for the minibuffer in
general.  The minibuffer is an editing buffer; you can
do lots of things in it and with it.

> (Perhaps those clients could be migrated to a new face,
> e.g. 'message-prompt', which would inherit 'minibuffer-prompt' by
> default?)

That would be fine by me.  Or no face.  Is it really
important that the prompt be distinguished by a face?

(To be clear, I have no objection to our using faces
for prompts.)

> - In the context of bug#35564, I would like to add text properties to
>   the y-or-n-p prompt (although I'm open to other, simpler solutions
>   e.g. simply changing Dired's message).

I wouldn't mention bug #35564.  And that bug should not,
itself, also deal with prompt faces.  It should be only
about `dired-do-shell-command' warning about wildcard
characters.

Any question (for this command or in general) about
prompt faces is independent of this bug report about
the `dired-do-shell-command' treatment of wildcards.

(Just one opinion.)

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