From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Apr 30 10:43:15 2019 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Apr 2019 14:43:15 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42073 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hLTyU-0000lY-R1 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 30 Apr 2019 10:43:15 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:46680) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hLTyQ-0000lJ-Lq for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 30 Apr 2019 10:43:11 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:44857) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hLTyL-00084Y-EU for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 30 Apr 2019 10:43:05 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:32825) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hLTyJ-0007o0-OX for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 30 Apr 2019 10:43:05 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,FREEMAIL_FROM, HTML_MESSAGE,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hLTyI-00083G-1A for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 30 Apr 2019 10:43:03 -0400 Received: from mail-lj1-x241.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::241]:40305) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hLTyH-00082m-Lx for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 30 Apr 2019 10:43:01 -0400 Received: by mail-lj1-x241.google.com with SMTP id d15so1089889ljc.7 for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2019 07:43:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=TlrsAALzq16h8j3/VnLiG3iDRRHfrfFLINVzUTGJGHA=; b=pnATOH7rVDx5H6RHPcMFU4Cu3yXidHtF6rqMxc/zA1r72O4VsO3I0HVUAFiyGoyrBM eesaWIUduauXQuP/85iPBAymOs8brAFhDOZpSQ8zctZHHFoOTts0/Dmn79hkk3hOM0aH o3yt/25/b70LZp6kSqBd2O13kEoI9nQkyeovmYAQXwg+RVpAoEc84J4BZze9wWoxgoso 6A+55GADSGHdeVtG0tCvv0b9b8B9kneGIekGgJXI3tOkMWMizEFq0SVWt+8Xiantkhvs xZ8a5EmOXbvsgSOp8gSV9FodGMTspbGw2rVO9t5nH5a82b4KZWcITTS4BmZvge/5jXb2 fXBQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=TlrsAALzq16h8j3/VnLiG3iDRRHfrfFLINVzUTGJGHA=; b=jZgo5QkEDo3BxqZiLBrReV7w2Qpk0biz2YT3bsWh5AP6HjqQTrMe/vo+hUQY+Q2CLw S9UAkUfHLw+Ii5v1V38DBsD4weXdpCYCdU1d3/Nk8SjpyP7bgo/Rz8tD8JeY9R/P+fog n/cYTkFH+/7uIpqZbfGMf/e5FoJIsQVUh4bE0QupEbQQqfEB/77b7JOA6shvCVdXU+r1 c1DpiGank6JpsZ861ADP3fXf7eVHDysn9di5oeX/nGDw7mKtwsxqVZF4CAVqpWjs8ebB i9KF97XPEG2p0nYvV6ZJxvOW5IiTo5C8aN2EXgwxnh1WdOm4o9WaT++oAPwpWzk+K4ts fm9g== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAX5XJwja+5A5y2ClF4f/D568spkodPW9/hKNYYTTv0RwxNSv4to p8fBNk2QwG4iWkyQJR86ZBmkZ9ACvvLBE2W09PkcQxUt X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxl57Xdc9ookyoLFqJW5k23YKLDxySYshkpgOUsjnHp2Y1dEPs/L7QM3MGsHpfSjfnh20LcHmSMC/ku/QgP3G0= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:2d02:: with SMTP id t2mr32522895ljt.148.1556635379401; Tue, 30 Apr 2019 07:42:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Anders Lindgren Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 16:42:48 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: 27.0.50; Startup output and slowdown break Emacs batch applications To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000d587900587c06a1e" X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4864:20::241 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) --000000000000d587900587c06a1e Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi! I'm maintaining an Emacs batch application, e2ansi (*). I just noticed two problems when using Emacs 27. 1) It prints a lot of output, whereas earlier versions are quiet. The output include tons of "Loading xxx..." but also the lines "dump mode: nil" and "Using load-path ...". 2) Startup times has increased from 0.11 seconds to 2.36 seconds. To test this, simply run: time PATH-TO-Emacs --batch -Q I'm using a prebuilt Emacs from "emacsformacos.com". I've tested the official Emacs 26.2 and the latest Emacs 27 "nightie". (*) e2ansi adds syntax highlighting to pagers like "more" and "less" in the terminal. It starts an Emacs in batch mode, run font-lock and renders the highlighted result using ANSI sequences, which the pager presents. It can be found at https://github.com/Lindydancer/e2ansi Sincerely, Anders Lindgren In GNU Emacs 27.0.50 (build 1, x86_64-apple-darwin14.5.0, NS appkit-1348.17 Version 10.10.5 (Build 14F2109)) of 2019-04-30 built on macpro.lan Windowing system distributor 'Apple', version 10.3.1348 System Description: Mac OS X 10.10.5 Recent messages: Loading vc/ediff-hook...done Loading uniquify...done Loading electric...done Loading emacs-lisp/eldoc...done Loading cus-start...done Loading tooltip...done Loading /Applications/Emacs27.0-2019-04-30.app/Contents/Resources/lisp/leim/leim-list.el (source)...done Finding pointers to doc strings...done For information about GNU Emacs and the GNU system, type C-h C-a. Loading loadup.el (source)...done Configured using: 'configure --with-ns '--enable-locallisppath=/Library/Application Support/Emacs/${version}/site-lisp:/Library/Application Support/Emacs/site-lisp' --with-modules' Configured features: NOTIFY KQUEUE ACL GNUTLS LIBXML2 ZLIB TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS NS MODULES THREADS PDUMPER Important settings: value of $LC_CTYPE: UTF-8 value of $LANG: en_SE.UTF-8 locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix Major mode: Lisp Interaction Minor modes in effect: tooltip-mode: t global-eldoc-mode: t eldoc-mode: t electric-indent-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t tool-bar-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t Load-path shadows: None found. Features: (shadow sort mail-extr emacsbug message rmc puny seq byte-opt gv bytecomp byte-compile cconv dired dired-loaddefs format-spec rfc822 mml mml-sec password-cache epa derived epg epg-config gnus-util rmail rmail-loaddefs text-property-search time-date mm-decode mm-bodies mm-encode mail-parse rfc2231 mailabbrev gmm-utils mailheader sendmail rfc2047 rfc2045 ietf-drums mm-util mail-prsvr mail-utils help-mode easymenu cl-loaddefs cl-lib apropos elec-pair tooltip cus-start eldoc electric uniquify ediff-hook vc-hooks lisp-float-type mwheel term/ns-win ns-win ucs-normalize mule-util term/common-win tool-bar dnd fontset image regexp-opt fringe tabulated-list replace newcomment text-mode elisp-mode lisp-mode prog-mode register page menu-bar rfn-eshadow isearch timer select scroll-bar mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax facemenu font-core term/tty-colors frame cl-generic cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese eucjp-ms cp51932 hebrew greek romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese composite charscript charprop case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help simple abbrev obarray minibuffer cl-preloaded nadvice loaddefs button faces cus-face macroexp files text-properties overlay sha1 md5 base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget hashtable-print-readable backquote threads kqueue cocoa ns multi-tty make-network-process emacs) Memory information: ((conses 16 268435 17187) (symbols 48 20247 1) (strings 32 55043 2648) (string-bytes 1 2319539) (vectors 16 49362) (vector-slots 8 1389453 76916) (floats 8 183 34) (intervals 56 892 0) (buffers 992 12)) --000000000000d587900587c06a1e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi!

I'm= maintaining an Emacs batch application, e2ansi (*).

I just noticed two problems when using Emacs 27.

1) It prints a lot of output, whereas earlier versions are quiet. The out= put include tons of "Loading xxx..." but also the lines "dum= p mode: nil" and "Using load-path ...".

=
2) Startup times has increased from 0.11 seconds to 2.36 seconds.

To test this, simply run:

tim= e PATH-TO-Emacs --batch -Q



Sincerely,
=C2=A0= =C2=A0 Anders Lindgren


In GNU Emac= s 27.0.50 (build 1, x86_64-apple-darwin14.5.0, NS appkit-1348.17 Version 10= .10.5 (Build 14F2109))
=C2=A0of 2019-04-30 built on macpro.lan
Windowing system distributor 'Apple', version 10.3.1348
System Description:=C2=A0 Mac OS X 10.10.5

= Recent messages:
Loading vc/ediff-hook...done
Loading u= niquify...done
Loading electric...done
Loading emacs-li= sp/eldoc...done
Loading cus-start...done
Loading toolti= p...done
Loading /Applications/Emacs27.0-2019-04-30.app/Contents/= Resources/lisp/leim/leim-list.el (source)...done
Finding pointers= to doc strings...done
For information about GNU Emacs and the GN= U system, type C-h C-a.
Loading loadup.el (source)...done

Configured using:
=C2=A0'configure --with-n= s '--enable-locallisppath=3D/Library/Application
=C2=A0Suppor= t/Emacs/${version}/site-lisp:/Library/Application
=C2=A0Support/E= macs/site-lisp' --with-modules'

Configured= features:
NOTIFY KQUEUE ACL GNUTLS LIBXML2 ZLIB TOOLKIT_SCROLL_B= ARS NS MODULES
THREADS PDUMPER

Important= settings:
=C2=A0 value of $LC_CTYPE: UTF-8
=C2=A0 valu= e of $LANG: en_SE.UTF-8
=C2=A0 locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix

Major mode: Lisp Interaction

Minor modes in effect:
=C2=A0 tooltip-mode: t
=C2=A0= global-eldoc-mode: t
=C2=A0 eldoc-mode: t
=C2=A0 elect= ric-indent-mode: t
=C2=A0 mouse-wheel-mode: t
=C2=A0 to= ol-bar-mode: t
=C2=A0 menu-bar-mode: t
=C2=A0 file-name= -shadow-mode: t
=C2=A0 global-font-lock-mode: t
=C2=A0 = font-lock-mode: t
=C2=A0 blink-cursor-mode: t
=C2=A0 au= to-composition-mode: t
=C2=A0 auto-encryption-mode: t
= =C2=A0 auto-compression-mode: t
=C2=A0 line-number-mode: t
<= div>=C2=A0 transient-mark-mode: t

Load-path shadow= s:
None found.

Features:
(shad= ow sort mail-extr emacsbug message rmc puny seq byte-opt gv
bytec= omp byte-compile cconv dired dired-loaddefs format-spec rfc822 mml
mml-sec password-cache epa derived epg epg-config gnus-util rmail
rmail-loaddefs text-property-search time-date mm-decode mm-bodies<= div>mm-encode mail-parse rfc2231 mailabbrev gmm-utils mailheader sendmail
rfc2047 rfc2045 ietf-drums mm-util mail-prsvr mail-utils help-mode=
easymenu cl-loaddefs cl-lib apropos elec-pair tooltip cus-start = eldoc
electric uniquify ediff-hook vc-hooks lisp-float-type mwhee= l term/ns-win
ns-win ucs-normalize mule-util term/common-win tool= -bar dnd fontset
image regexp-opt fringe tabulated-list replace n= ewcomment text-mode
elisp-mode lisp-mode prog-mode register page = menu-bar rfn-eshadow
isearch timer select scroll-bar mouse jit-lo= ck font-lock syntax facemenu
font-core term/tty-colors frame cl-g= eneric cham georgian utf-8-lang
misc-lang vietnamese tibetan thai= tai-viet lao korean japanese eucjp-ms
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--000000000000d587900587c06a1e-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Apr 30 10:53:42 2019 Received: (at 35503) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Apr 2019 14:53:43 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42096 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hLU8c-00012K-Ht for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 30 Apr 2019 10:53:42 -0400 Received: from mail-wm1-f44.google.com ([209.85.128.44]:39097) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hLU8b-00011t-8C for 35503@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 30 Apr 2019 10:53:41 -0400 Received: by mail-wm1-f44.google.com with SMTP id n25so4169377wmk.4 for <35503@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 30 Apr 2019 07:53:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:mail-copies-to:gmane-reply-to-list :date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version; bh=NgdNo7ne9nsUjWGDKYLaIrhkZp4NtSZGIOP+LQGVH1w=; b=VG3wHTtVwfO7xetO+Cton7flgZL2aXW5YtMzxdkCdO3okvJHja6m56+LI4BOGhsyTf I1qsQV8udlthKDsqiyXzWYkxDbsJVqDSOX5DMP+cfNVsxPxAvszZAHygk5Uzbin+8PCw DbTN1a6ND1TXoxUyG+JANkG/yhtjbiIhItqCqDy80j1QP1wKUaNkD1qOxQ3me/h9Rta5 OfJOCMMoNPrHDCLOEhZsc/xr+nUxW4lsmQOyz51obyc753MzUi9o6dOW6zgv/+Zqc2PD P1jJ378E1rxk+IbFv3FFR9B8QyFYwL3o8nsfqafob3RUcKWXDWSxHc90Pe+9mYKzufzp gSpw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:mail-copies-to :gmane-reply-to-list:date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version; bh=NgdNo7ne9nsUjWGDKYLaIrhkZp4NtSZGIOP+LQGVH1w=; b=XaNiulVbqRbbj+TX2wYHgxiDJv+FTcxmxJMTbjOXNo4jKtpawYgCyoXijuZYE/aEC9 ByyZH12438l6KVuXJN8MfwTopzjS1thXab8pt00QZVhXMMcFdUSGzYVCd8i5JFq6EJot E/29rPOKuo7eCumO+QzAacqsf4vOiiIH/tKMzFaD29y94+PdOSNCXgCds0hG90ITPPTi foC0P4yaMCPD3IjWVuqsboz1FDxaWb8oLho1YPzuVTMPdBL1JWt674aUe5XihrpfmYlK DXzbQT5Yn8+2vFnYOyjmOUHf5GQznAn7kqz7ef6vPX75twNjnTP+LxatGL5z40gyAgcJ 3M+A== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUUOzvINCqKWV3j4xrhvYYRAiFg2q5rpYOg0RLPQB8Uijr7msR2 Ge3+uWnqJerFus/j5QPEAdAJEj0I X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwszTFirbVDzQH5cAcIdfcku7xkJhGI6epFliNsrJKAls/ksX4jjRHrMzb4syO9Zy1JLQ/EnQ== X-Received: by 2002:a7b:cf18:: with SMTP id l24mr2541948wmg.132.1556636014646; Tue, 30 Apr 2019 07:53:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rpluim-mac ([149.5.228.1]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id b11sm4958213wmh.29.2019.04.30.07.53.33 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=AEAD-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 30 Apr 2019 07:53:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Pluim To: Anders Lindgren Subject: Re: bug#35503: 27.0.50; Startup output and slowdown break Emacs batch applications References: X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes Mail-Copies-To: never Gmane-Reply-To-List: yes Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 16:53:32 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Anders Lindgren's message of "Tue, 30 Apr 2019 16:42:48 +0200") Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 35503 Cc: 35503@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) >>>>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2019 16:42:48 +0200, Anders Lindgren said: Anders> Hi! I'm maintaining an Emacs batch application, e2ansi Anders> (*). Anders> I just noticed two problems when using Emacs 27. Anders> 1) It prints a lot of output, whereas earlier versions are Anders> quiet. The output include tons of "Loading xxx..." but Anders> also the lines "dump mode: nil" and "Using load-path ...". Anders> 2) Startup times has increased from 0.11 seconds to 2.36 Anders> seconds. Anders> To test this, simply run: Anders> time PATH-TO-Emacs --batch -Q Anders> I'm using a prebuilt Emacs from "emacsformacos.com". I've Anders> tested the official Emacs 26.2 and the latest Emacs 27 Anders> "nightie". My crystal ball says that PATH-TO-Emacs is really a symlink to the actual location of Emacs. In that case, Emacs cannot (currently) locate its dump file, hence all the output. If you run Emacs using the fully specified real path, it should be much faster. Robert From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Apr 30 11:40:10 2019 Received: (at 35503) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Apr 2019 15:40:10 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42187 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hLUra-0002CV-CF for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 30 Apr 2019 11:40:10 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:60968) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hLUrY-0002CG-Op for 35503@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 30 Apr 2019 11:40:09 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:48944) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hLUrT-0008U8-J1; Tue, 30 Apr 2019 11:40:03 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1127 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1hLUrS-0006jz-M6; Tue, 30 Apr 2019 11:40:03 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 18:39:57 +0300 Message-Id: <83a7g7sdrm.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Robert Pluim In-reply-to: (message from Robert Pluim on Tue, 30 Apr 2019 16:53:32 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#35503: 27.0.50; Startup output and slowdown break Emacs batch applications References: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 35503 Cc: 35503@debbugs.gnu.org, andlind@gmail.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Robert Pluim > Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 16:53:32 +0200 > Cc: 35503@debbugs.gnu.org > > >>>>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2019 16:42:48 +0200, Anders Lindgren said: > > Anders> Hi! I'm maintaining an Emacs batch application, e2ansi > Anders> (*). > > Anders> I just noticed two problems when using Emacs 27. > > Anders> 1) It prints a lot of output, whereas earlier versions are > Anders> quiet. The output include tons of "Loading xxx..." but > Anders> also the lines "dump mode: nil" and "Using load-path ...". > > Anders> 2) Startup times has increased from 0.11 seconds to 2.36 > Anders> seconds. > > Anders> To test this, simply run: > > Anders> time PATH-TO-Emacs --batch -Q > > Anders> I'm using a prebuilt Emacs from "emacsformacos.com". I've > Anders> tested the official Emacs 26.2 and the latest Emacs 27 > Anders> "nightie". > > My crystal ball says that PATH-TO-Emacs is really a symlink to the > actual location of Emacs. In that case, Emacs cannot (currently) > locate its dump file, hence all the output. If you run Emacs using the > fully specified real path, it should be much faster. My crystal ball agrees. In general, the description means that Emacs didn't find its pdump file, so it loads all the preloaded packages anew. 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I don't think this is the case. This is inside the Emacs.app macOS app distributed by emacsformacosx.com. The Emacs binary isn't a symbolic link, and it's placed right next to the Emacs.pdmp file. The only main difference between this and an Emacs I build myself (which is working) is that in the downloaded-version the Emacs binary is named something like "Emacs-x86_64-10_10" and the dump file is named "Emacs.pdmp", whereas in an Emacs I build myself the Emacs binary is named "Emacs" and the dump file "Emacs.pdmp". -- Anders On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 5:40 PM Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > From: Robert Pluim > > > My crystal ball says that PATH-TO-Emacs is really a symlink to the > > actual location of Emacs. In that case, Emacs cannot (currently) > > locate its dump file, hence all the output. If you run Emacs using the > > fully specified real path, it should be much faster. > > My crystal ball agrees. > > In general, the description means that Emacs didn't find its pdump > file, so it loads all the preloaded packages anew. > --0000000000003136720588b5c825 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi!

I= don't think this is the case. This is inside the Emacs.app macOS app d= istributed by emacsformacosx.com.= The Emacs binary isn't a symbolic link, and it's placed right next= to the Emacs.pdmp file.

The only main difference = between this and an Emacs I build myself (which is working) is that in the = downloaded-version the Emacs binary is named something like "Emacs-x86= _64-10_10" and the dump file is named "Emacs.pdmp", whereas = in an Emacs I build myself the Emacs binary is named "Emacs" and = the dump file "Emacs.pdmp".

=C2=A0 =C2= =A0 -- Anders

On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 5:40 PM Eli = Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote:
> From: Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com>
=C2=A0=
> My crystal bal= l says that PATH-TO-Emacs is really a symlink to the
> actual location of Emacs. In that case, Emacs cannot (currently)
> locate its dump file, hence all the output. If you run Emacs using the=
> fully specified real path, it should be much faster.

My crystal ball agrees.

In general, the description means that Emacs didn't find its pdump
file, so it loads all the preloaded packages anew.
=C2=A0
--0000000000003136720588b5c825-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun May 12 22:25:33 2019 Received: (at 35503) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 May 2019 02:25:33 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43808 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hQ0ei-0007m6-VA for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 12 May 2019 22:25:33 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:47382) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hQ0eg-0007lq-R4 for 35503@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 12 May 2019 22:25:31 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:36703) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hQ0eb-0001ZZ-NL; Sun, 12 May 2019 22:25:25 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2179 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1hQ0eb-0003KF-4U; Sun, 12 May 2019 22:25:25 -0400 Date: Mon, 13 May 2019 05:25:07 +0300 Message-Id: <83ef53ay64.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Anders Lindgren In-reply-to: (message from Anders Lindgren on Sun, 12 May 2019 21:26:41 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#35503: 27.0.50; Startup output and slowdown break Emacs batch applications References: <83a7g7sdrm.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 35503 Cc: rpluim@gmail.com, 35503@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Anders Lindgren > Date: Sun, 12 May 2019 21:26:41 +0200 > Cc: Robert Pluim , 35503@debbugs.gnu.org > > I don't think this is the case. This is inside the Emacs.app macOS app distributed by emacsformacosx.com. > The Emacs binary isn't a symbolic link, and it's placed right next to the Emacs.pdmp file. > > The only main difference between this and an Emacs I build myself (which is working) is that in the > downloaded-version the Emacs binary is named something like "Emacs-x86_64-10_10" and the dump file is > named "Emacs.pdmp", whereas in an Emacs I build myself the Emacs binary is named "Emacs" and the > dump file "Emacs.pdmp". The name discrepancy is one reason why the pdump file might not be found. In any case, stepping with a debugger into load_pdump should pinpoint the reason. 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