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List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) David Masterson writes: > This is a documentation problem for EBDB. > > The documentation lacks clarity on how to setup EBDB for the first time > in the case where you are *not* converting from BBDB or Org Contacts. > More information is needed on how to create an EBDB database for the > first time, how to setup the first record(s) that you put into the > database, and (perhaps) an example session. As it is, the documentation > is too esoteric for someone unfamiliar with EBDB (or BBDB) concepts to > make heads or tails of it and get their feet wet. Thanks for this report. Here's what the docs have now: Assuming you have no records you want to migrate from other contact management software, it is enough to call the top-level ~ebdb~ command. This will create a new database at the location specified by ~ebdb-sources~ (see [The EBDB Database]), prompt you for a search string, fail to find anything (because you don't have any records yet), and finally open a EBDB buffer where you can start to make new records (see [Creating Records]). This is correct, though admittedly terse! I suppose I could break this out more specifically: you should set `ebdb-sources' in advance. Then you can create your new database either by calling the `ebdb' command, or by associating EBDB with a mail user agent, and letting that agent create records for you. Or perhaps, if you have no records, the `ebdb' command could simply open an *EBDB* buffer and then tell you, "you have no records, use 'c' to create one"? WDYT? 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ESMTPSA id 25E78FA05C; Mon, 15 Apr 2019 05:07:48 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=ericabrahamsen.net; s=mail; t=1555304868; bh=9a6F+eM/nattGxJAYYXOoDtgYVZKssTso+m17ENBG9A=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=K7vbRp3a9yfGRTsr0rxZdfJo5zPpxsEvGOG8JX5pWlyOgisE+VPd4g72DhONFT8IH QYAVyQbE5DuEqsJ1SQlKk9QMDNV3tDEn1DvrV/g51ddZo22ajj6aW3TgCtLhgaJ0vE qxhjy7AZ8DGwUPogRNmJWaoGBB4g9TCbvknk7Wnk= From: Eric Abrahamsen To: David Masterson Subject: Re: bug#35261: 26.1; EBDB Documentation References: <87r2a5nyn1.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2019 22:07:46 -0700 In-Reply-To: (David Masterson's message of "Mon, 15 Apr 2019 03:50:56 +0000") Message-ID: <87a7gronz1.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 35261 Cc: "35261@debbugs.gnu.org" <35261@debbugs.gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On 04/15/19 03:50 AM, David Masterson wrote: > Eric Abrahamsen writes: > >> David Masterson writes: > >>> This is a documentation problem for EBDB. >>> >>> The documentation lacks clarity on how to setup EBDB for the first time >>> in the case where you are *not* converting from BBDB or Org Contacts. >>> More information is needed on how to create an EBDB database for the >>> first time, how to setup the first record(s) that you put into the >>> database, and (perhaps) an example session. As it is, the documentation >>> is too esoteric for someone unfamiliar with EBDB (or BBDB) concepts to >>> make heads or tails of it and get their feet wet. >> >> Thanks for this report. Here's what the docs have now: >> >> Assuming you have no records you want to migrate from other contact >> management software, it is enough to call the top-level ~ebdb~ command. >> This will create a new database at the location specified by >> ~ebdb-sources~ (see [The EBDB Database]), prompt you for a search >> string, fail to find anything (because you don't have any records yet), >> and finally open a EBDB buffer where you can start to make new records >> (see [Creating Records]). >> >> This is correct, though admittedly terse! I suppose I could break this >> out more specifically: you should set `ebdb-sources' in advance. Then >> you can create your new database either by calling the `ebdb' command, >> or by associating EBDB with a mail user agent, and letting that agent >> create records for you. >> >> Or perhaps, if you have no records, the `ebdb' command could simply open >> an *EBDB* buffer and then tell you, "you have no records, use 'c' to >> create one"? >> >> WDYT? > > First, in the "Getting Started" section, there are the two subsections > on migration. At first glance, I assumed (incorrectly) that those were > the ways to get started and missed the rest of what was said at the top > level. Therefore, I might suggest that the top level "Getting Started" > section be an short intro to EBDB with (perhaps) references to key > variables for setup. Then have three subsections (or more) where the > first in creating the database from scratch, second is migration from > BBDB, and third is migration from Org Contacts. That makes sense. > Second, the top-level should probably reference where to find the > internal details of the database structure and record structure(s). > This should also be in the subsections to some degree. Perhaps the > top-level should simply reference the details in the sub-levels. Ditto. > Third, the creation process should probably have an example script to > show the user what to expect. In particular, I get an error when I try > to create my first record in EBDB using 'c'. I'm not sure if it is a > problem with not having setup a database variable, record variable, > record structure variable, or what. I'm just beginning to experiment > with EBDB, but I'm familiar with the concepts. Emacs/EBDB and its > extensive variables can make it difficult to determine where to start to > configure things if the Info page doesn't lead through it. > > Fourth, having 'c' tell you that "you have no records" is not to helpful > in that what you need is how to setup to create records. This doesn't seem right: it's the `ebdb' command that tells you the database is empty (and that message should include a mention of 'c'). 'c' prompts for the creation of a record. Do you remember what sort of error you got during record creation? There shouldn't be anything you have to do in advance, except maybe confirm that you want to create a new database at the default location. > Fifth, there is no EBDB mailing list to ask questions on?? I don't think new mailing lists are made for specific packages very often any more. In the case of EBDB, you can open an issue on the github page, email me directly, or do what you've done here, which is just fine (so long as you cc me). There's been some talk in the past about having the bug reporter prompt for specific packages to report bugs against, but that hasn't gone anywhere yet. 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debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Apr 16 14:54:58 2019 Received: (at 35261) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Apr 2019 18:54:58 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37993 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hGTEP-0008O7-RU for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 16 Apr 2019 14:54:58 -0400 Received: from ericabrahamsen.net ([52.70.2.18]:48154 helo=mail.ericabrahamsen.net) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hGTEN-0008Nu-H2 for 35261@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 16 Apr 2019 14:54:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (97-126-87-168.tukw.qwest.net [97.126.87.168]) (Authenticated sender: eric@ericabrahamsen.net) by mail.ericabrahamsen.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 09C92FA028; Tue, 16 Apr 2019 18:54:48 +0000 (UTC) From: Eric Abrahamsen To: David Masterson Subject: Re: bug#35261: 26.1; EBDB Documentation References: <87r2a5nyn1.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87a7gronz1.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2019 11:54:47 -0700 In-Reply-To: (David Masterson's message of "Mon, 15 Apr 2019 20:56:06 +0000") Message-ID: <877ebtlr0o.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 35261 Cc: "35261@debbugs.gnu.org" <35261@debbugs.gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On 04/15/19 20:56 PM, David Masterson wrote: > Eric Abrahamsen writes: [...] >> This doesn't seem right: it's the `ebdb' command that tells you the >> database is empty (and that message should include a mention of 'c'). > > Actually, the first thing that the 'ebdb' seems to do is ask for a > search string which is a little surprising on an empty database. I can > see that people might want a quick command to find something in their > database, but you shouldn't overload the 'ebdb' command that way. Have > one command (ebdb) to startup EBDB and another command to start it up > and find a record. Or, perhaps, two separate commands which people > could always script together. Okay, it would make sense to have an `ebdb-start' command that just opens an *EBDB* buffer. >> 'c' prompts for the creation of a record. Do you remember what sort of >> error you got during record creation? There shouldn't be anything you >> have to do in advance, except maybe confirm that you want to create a >> new database at the default location. > > Good point. I kind of messed up that statement. The error I got was an > error that basically is that I was putting in data for a field that was > improper for the field. In this case, it was looking for an *email* > address and I was assuming that any old text string would do. The error > did not give the clue that it was specifically looking for a string that > was formatted for "name@machine.com". So, there should be a clue in the > documentation on how to read the error -- basically that the error is > pointing out that the input doesn't fit the defined structure and (most > importantly) how to find out what the defined structure is. Sure, I can add this as well. Actually I'm on the fence about requiring a "@" in mail fields at all, as it's possible someone might want to note a machine-local address for someone. I can't decide. But there are a few other fields (like the url field) that also do a bit of validation, and it would be good to explain that. > On that, it seems that the documentation is still evolving in that > area. For instance, looking at the documentation of ebdb-field-* > variables says that they are obsolete as of 25.1 and the documentation > is relatively low, so the error above would be confusing in that you'd > wonder if you were looking at the right variable. Unfortunately this doesn't have to do with EBDB, but rather with a weird interaction between the help system and EIEIO. Class names apparently once functioned as variables, but no longer do, and so Emacs complains when you try to treat one as a variable. You'll have better luck using help to look up the *function* definitions of the class names, not the variable definition. Eric From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Apr 16 17:10:37 2019 Received: (at 35261) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Apr 2019 21:10:37 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38263 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hGVLg-0005Le-LP for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 16 Apr 2019 17:10:37 -0400 Received: from ericabrahamsen.net ([52.70.2.18]:51538 helo=mail.ericabrahamsen.net) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hGVLe-0005LR-Nx for 35261@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 16 Apr 2019 17:10:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (unknown [207.109.85.82]) (Authenticated sender: eric@ericabrahamsen.net) by mail.ericabrahamsen.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 65807FA028; Tue, 16 Apr 2019 21:10:28 +0000 (UTC) From: Eric Abrahamsen To: David Masterson Subject: Re: bug#35261: 26.1; EBDB Documentation References: <87r2a5nyn1.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87a7gronz1.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2019 14:10:26 -0700 In-Reply-To: (David Masterson's message of "Mon, 15 Apr 2019 20:56:06 +0000") Message-ID: <87r2a1k665.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 35261 Cc: "35261@debbugs.gnu.org" <35261@debbugs.gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On 04/15/19 20:56 PM, David Masterson wrote: > Eric Abrahamsen writes: > >> On 04/15/19 03:50 AM, David Masterson wrote: >>> Eric Abrahamsen writes: >>> >>>> David Masterson writes: >>> >>>>> This is a documentation problem for EBDB. >>> >>> First, in the "Getting Started" section, there are the two subsections >>> on migration. At first glance, I assumed (incorrectly) that those were >>> the ways to get started and missed the rest of what was said at the top >>> level. Therefore, I might suggest that the top level "Getting Started" >>> section be an short intro to EBDB with (perhaps) references to key >>> variables for setup. Then have three subsections (or more) where the >>> first in creating the database from scratch, second is migration from >>> BBDB, and third is migration from Org Contacts. >> >> That makes sense. >> >>> Second, the top-level should probably reference where to find the >>> internal details of the database structure and record structure(s). >>> This should also be in the subsections to some degree. Perhaps the >>> top-level should simply reference the details in the sub-levels. >> >> Ditto. >> >>> Third, the creation process should probably have an example script to >>> show the user what to expect. In particular, I get an error when I try >>> to create my first record in EBDB using 'c'. I'm not sure if it is a >>> problem with not having setup a database variable, record variable, >>> record structure variable, or what. I'm just beginning to experiment >>> with EBDB, but I'm familiar with the concepts. Emacs/EBDB and its >>> extensive variables can make it difficult to determine where to start to >>> configure things if the Info page doesn't lead through it. >>> >>> Fourth, having 'c' tell you that "you have no records" is not to helpful >>> in that what you need is how to setup to create records. >> >> This doesn't seem right: it's the `ebdb' command that tells you the >> database is empty (and that message should include a mention of 'c'). > > Actually, the first thing that the 'ebdb' seems to do is ask for a > search string which is a little surprising on an empty database. I can > see that people might want a quick command to find something in their > database, but you shouldn't overload the 'ebdb' command that way. Have > one command (ebdb) to startup EBDB and another command to start it up > and find a record. Or, perhaps, two separate commands which people > could always script together. Here's what the new version looks like: * Getting Started EBDB is a contact management package: it records information about people and organizations, and integrates with other Emacs software packages, mostly those concerned with sending and reading mail. The principle parts of EBDB are records, which represent people and organizations; fields, representing detailed data about records; and databases, which hold and persist records. There are a large number of configuration options listed in this manual, but the only one you might want to tweak in advance is ~ebdb-sources~ (see [The EBDB Database]), which controls where EBDB stores its records. ** Starting a New Database If you have no records you want to migrate from other contact management software, start by calling the command ~ebdb-open~. This will open a new buffer in ~ebdb-mode~, and prompt you to create a database, if one doesn't already exist. From there, you can use {{{kbd(c)}}} to make new records (see [Creating Records]). 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18 Apr 2019 19:51:43 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42536 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hHD4R-0000bo-9x for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Apr 2019 15:51:43 -0400 Received: from ericabrahamsen.net ([52.70.2.18]:41892 helo=mail.ericabrahamsen.net) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hHD4P-0000bY-2X for 35261@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Apr 2019 15:51:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (97-126-87-168.tukw.qwest.net [97.126.87.168]) (Authenticated sender: eric@ericabrahamsen.net) by mail.ericabrahamsen.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9CB98FA028; Thu, 18 Apr 2019 19:51:34 +0000 (UTC) From: Eric Abrahamsen To: David Masterson Subject: Re: bug#35261: 26.1; EBDB Documentation References: <87r2a5nyn1.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87a7gronz1.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <877ebtlr0o.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2019 12:51:33 -0700 In-Reply-To: (David Masterson's message of "Wed, 17 Apr 2019 03:14:20 +0000") Message-ID: <874l6vgkhm.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 35261 Cc: "35261@debbugs.gnu.org" <35261@debbugs.gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On 04/17/19 03:14 AM, David Masterson wrote: > Eric Abrahamsen writes: > >> On 04/15/19 20:56 PM, David Masterson wrote: > >>> On that, it seems that the documentation is still evolving in that >>> area. For instance, looking at the documentation of ebdb-field-* >>> variables says that they are obsolete as of 25.1 and the documentation >>> is relatively low, so the error above would be confusing in that you'd >>> wonder if you were looking at the right variable. > >> Unfortunately this doesn't have to do with EBDB, but rather with a weird >> interaction between the help system and EIEIO. Class names apparently >> once functioned as variables, but no longer do, and so Emacs complains >> when you try to treat one as a variable. You'll have better luck using >> help to look up the *function* definitions of the class names, not the >> variable definition. > > Ouch! That's not logical and will need some explanation somewhere. The > logical assumption would be that the function that is asking for input > is using some variable (structure) as a reference for what it expects as > input, so, when the error reports a name in the error, the first thought > would be that that is the structure to look at to get the clue as to > what it's looking for. It's a little confusing (to say the least) for > the lay person to see functions and variables with the same name. > > Something to lay out a little more as a primer in the Info docs? Mmm, I'm not really inclined to spend a lot of time explaining the weirdnesses of Emacs help system in the EBDB manual, but maybe a pointer to the function docstrings of the class symbols would be okay. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Apr 18 16:33:21 2019 Received: (at 35261) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Apr 2019 20:33:22 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42555 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hHDij-0001f3-LL for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Apr 2019 16:33:21 -0400 Received: from ericabrahamsen.net ([52.70.2.18]:42624 helo=mail.ericabrahamsen.net) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hHDig-0001em-Dl for 35261@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Apr 2019 16:33:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (97-126-87-168.tukw.qwest.net [97.126.87.168]) (Authenticated sender: eric@ericabrahamsen.net) by mail.ericabrahamsen.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5CEF9FA028; Thu, 18 Apr 2019 20:33:12 +0000 (UTC) From: Eric Abrahamsen To: David Masterson Subject: Re: bug#35261: 26.1; EBDB Documentation References: <87r2a5nyn1.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87a7gronz1.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87r2a1k665.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2019 13:33:11 -0700 In-Reply-To: (David Masterson's message of "Wed, 17 Apr 2019 03:41:47 +0000") Message-ID: <87zhonf3zs.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 35261 Cc: "35261@debbugs.gnu.org" <35261@debbugs.gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On 04/17/19 03:41 AM, David Masterson wrote: > Eric Abrahamsen writes: > >> Here's what the new version looks like: >> >> * Getting Started >> EBDB is a contact management package: it records information about >> people and organizations, and integrates with other Emacs software >> packages, mostly those concerned with sending and reading mail. The >> principle parts of EBDB are records, which represent people and >> organizations; fields, representing detailed data about records; and >> databases, which hold and persist records. >> >> There are a large number of configuration options listed in this >> manual, but the only one you might want to tweak in advance is >> ~ebdb-sources~ (see [The EBDB Database]), which controls where EBDB >> stores its records. >> >> ** Starting a New Database >> If you have no records you want to migrate from other contact >> management software, start by calling the command ~ebdb-open~. This >> will open a new buffer in ~ebdb-mode~, and prompt you to create a >> database, if one doesn't already exist. From there, you can use >> {{{kbd(c)}}} to make new records (see [Creating Records]). > > Otherwise, you'll want to migrate your data from other contact > management software as described in the sections below. Currently, EBDB > only knows about migrating from BBDB and Org Contacts. Okay, sounds good. > ==== > > Beyond this, I can see that lots of documentation (and, I assume, > functionality) is still needed: > > 1. Installation details of EBDB and related tools. > 2. Details on what type of records a database is composed of. > 3. Details on the fields of a record. > 4. Details on the type of a field. > 5. Import/Export functionality > 6. Hooks for add-ons > > * By 'details', I mean some Emacs Elisp and not just English to give us > real reference information. EBDB is only just stabilizing (the export stuff went through some big refactoring just recently) and I'm a little hesitant to lay all this stuff out in the manual. One of the long-term goals is definitely to make EBDB programmable and integratable with other packages, but I'm dragging my feet a little bit until I'm more confident that the API won't change. It'll get there, though. 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20 Apr 2019 00:00:58 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44989 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hHdRC-0004vi-52 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 19 Apr 2019 20:00:58 -0400 Received: from ericabrahamsen.net ([52.70.2.18]:45044 helo=mail.ericabrahamsen.net) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hHdR8-0004vH-4Q; Fri, 19 Apr 2019 20:00:54 -0400 Received: from localhost (97-113-45-104.tukw.qwest.net [97.113.45.104]) (Authenticated sender: eric@ericabrahamsen.net) by mail.ericabrahamsen.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4C500FA027; Sat, 20 Apr 2019 00:00:47 +0000 (UTC) From: Eric Abrahamsen To: David Masterson Subject: Re: bug#35261: 26.1; EBDB Documentation References: <87r2a5nyn1.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87a7gronz1.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87r2a1k665.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87zhonf3zs.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2019 17:00:45 -0700 In-Reply-To: (David Masterson's message of "Fri, 19 Apr 2019 22:31:51 +0000") Message-ID: <87k1fpeeaa.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 35261 Cc: "35261@debbugs.gnu.org" <35261@debbugs.gnu.org>, 35261-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On 04/19/19 22:31 PM, David Masterson wrote: > Eric Abrahamsen writes: > >> On 04/17/19 03:41 AM, David Masterson wrote: > >>> Beyond this, I can see that lots of documentation (and, I assume, >>> functionality) is still needed: >>> >>> 1. Installation details of EBDB and related tools. >>> 2. Details on what type of records a database is composed of. >>> 3. Details on the fields of a record. >>> 4. Details on the type of a field. >>> 5. Import/Export functionality >>> 6. Hooks for add-ons >>> >>> * By 'details', I mean some Emacs Elisp and not just English to give us >>> real reference information. >> >> EBDB is only just stabilizing (the export stuff went through some big >> refactoring just recently) and I'm a little hesitant to lay all this >> stuff out in the manual. One of the long-term goals is definitely to >> make EBDB programmable and integratable with other packages, but I'm >> dragging my feet a little bit until I'm more confident that the API >> won't change. It'll get there, though. > > Okay. Mostly consider #1 with: > > * Installation as a package (and via savanah?) > * How to get help if needed (bug reports) > * Other packages to install/Use (Org and Gnus) > > A primer as applies to EBDB for #2, #3, and #4 would be nice. Done! Thanks for all the suggestions. 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