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X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4864:20::231 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 16:52:30 -0400 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) Starting with 'emacs -Q', in text-mode or fundamental-mode, after 'M-x table-insert' or 'M-x table-recognize', switch to outline-mode and see table highlight (table-cell face) disappear. Switch back to text-mode or fundamental-mode, start 'TABing' (table-forward-cell) inside table and face will be back cell after cell. According to help-gnu-emacs thread (lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-gnu-emacs/2019-03/msg00205.html) this is normal behaviour, but from perspective of beginner it looks like a bug. Therefore I suggest a sentence or two, perhaps in chapter "11.12 Font lock mode", about how Font lock takes over control of faces when user switches to mode with defined font-lock faces leaving only those from this mode and turning off others (unless they have also property font-lock-face). Also the behaviour of reappearing table-cell face after switch back to fundamental-mode or text-mode seems to be not quite right, shouldn't it reappear in every cell at once (just like it disappears)? 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X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4864:20::22f X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) Hello, I just would like to know whether it is still alive or was rejected or... I'm asking because it was added 18 days ago and I'm just waiting for any sign. S. U. 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Contovounesios" To: Sebastian Urban Subject: Re: bug#35044: 25.2; Description of "disappearing" faces (Emacs Manual) References: <9bb33f4b-31db-c3ee-1411-003fb7e179aa@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2019 13:59:40 +0100 In-Reply-To: <9bb33f4b-31db-c3ee-1411-003fb7e179aa@gmail.com> (Sebastian Urban's message of "Tue, 16 Apr 2019 23:33:12 +0200") Message-ID: <87zhoo948z.fsf@tcd.ie> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 35044 Cc: 35044@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Sebastian Urban writes: > I just would like to know whether it is still alive or was rejected or... I'm > asking because it was added 18 days ago and I'm just waiting for any sign. Here's a number sign: # Sorry about that terrible joke and the delay in responding to your report. The maintainers try to respond to everything within a couple of weeks or so, but sometimes they get busy and wishlist reports slip through the cracks. Nothing gets rejected without express justification. If you are interested in helping out with and speeding up this process, an explicit wording suggestion and/or patch is always welcome. A reminder email like the one you just sent every few weeks also helps with reports not being forgotten about. Thanks, -- Basil From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Apr 17 13:03:49 2019 Received: (at 35044) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Apr 2019 17:03:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40705 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hGnyP-0004S6-EG for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 17 Apr 2019 13:03:49 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:43370) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hGnyM-0004Rt-A7 for 35044@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 17 Apr 2019 13:03:46 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:45120) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hGnyG-0000t1-Up; Wed, 17 Apr 2019 13:03:41 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2832 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1hGnyE-0005dr-RU; Wed, 17 Apr 2019 13:03:40 -0400 Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2019 20:03:35 +0300 Message-Id: <8336mgftso.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Sebastian Urban In-reply-to: <9bb33f4b-31db-c3ee-1411-003fb7e179aa@gmail.com> (message from Sebastian Urban on Tue, 16 Apr 2019 23:33:12 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#35044: 25.2; Description of "disappearing" faces (Emacs Manual) References: <9bb33f4b-31db-c3ee-1411-003fb7e179aa@gmail.com> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 35044 Cc: 35044@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Sebastian Urban > Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2019 23:33:12 +0200 > > I just would like to know whether it is still alive or was rejected > or... I'm asking because it was added 18 days ago and I'm just waiting > for any sign. Sorry for not responding earlier. Regarding your proposal: I'm not convinced saying something like that deep inside the manual would help. I very much doubt that a user who bumped into the issue like you did would look in that section for the reason. More likely, they will ask a question, like you did, and get the answer you did. But that's me; perhaps others will have other opinions about this. 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[45.2.119.34]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id k89sm159564qte.33.2019.04.17.15.37.14 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Wed, 17 Apr 2019 15:37:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Noam Postavsky To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#35044: 25.2; Description of "disappearing" faces (Emacs Manual) References: <9bb33f4b-31db-c3ee-1411-003fb7e179aa@gmail.com> <8336mgftso.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2019 18:37:13 -0400 In-Reply-To: <8336mgftso.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 17 Apr 2019 20:03:35 +0300") Message-ID: <87zhoow95y.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 35044 Cc: Sebastian Urban , 35044@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii writes: > I very much doubt that a user who bumped into the issue like you did > would look in that section for the reason. More likely, they will ask > a question, like you did, and get the answer you did. Yes, but the existence of a manual page to point at lends the answers more authority. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Apr 17 22:35:06 2019 Received: (at 35044) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Apr 2019 02:35:06 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41240 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hGwtG-00040J-8b for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 17 Apr 2019 22:35:06 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:60395) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hGwtE-0003zi-Ff for 35044@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 17 Apr 2019 22:35:05 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:52923) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hGwt9-0002wA-6a; Wed, 17 Apr 2019 22:34:59 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2547 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1hGwt8-0001J8-L9; Wed, 17 Apr 2019 22:34:59 -0400 Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2019 05:34:43 +0300 Message-Id: <83pnpkdosc.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Noam Postavsky In-reply-to: <87zhoow95y.fsf@gmail.com> (message from Noam Postavsky on Wed, 17 Apr 2019 18:37:13 -0400) Subject: Re: bug#35044: 25.2; Description of "disappearing" faces (Emacs Manual) References: <9bb33f4b-31db-c3ee-1411-003fb7e179aa@gmail.com> <8336mgftso.fsf@gnu.org> <87zhoow95y.fsf@gmail.com> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 35044 Cc: mrsebastianurban@gmail.com, 35044@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Noam Postavsky > Cc: Sebastian Urban , 35044@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2019 18:37:13 -0400 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > I very much doubt that a user who bumped into the issue like you did > > would look in that section for the reason. More likely, they will ask > > a question, like you did, and get the answer you did. > > Yes, but the existence of a manual page to point at lends the answers > more authority. Feel free to add something there, then. 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[89.161.9.216]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id p14sm1331564lfk.6.2019.04.19.13.19.47 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 19 Apr 2019 13:19:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: bug#35044: 25.2; Description of "disappearing" faces (Emacs Manual) To: "Basil L. Contovounesios" References: <9bb33f4b-31db-c3ee-1411-003fb7e179aa@gmail.com> <87zhoo948z.fsf@tcd.ie> From: Sebastian Urban Message-ID: Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2019 22:19:52 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <87zhoo948z.fsf@tcd.ie> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 35044 Cc: 35044@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Well I think I'll just wait, because writing about it could be above my beginner level, but perhaps someone could use this hint from minibuffer "Font-lock mode will override any faces you set in this buffer" as a template(?). S. U. 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[89.161.9.216]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id j27sm1340964lfk.97.2019.04.19.13.32.17 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 19 Apr 2019 13:32:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: bug#35044: 25.2; Description of "disappearing" faces (Emacs Manual) To: Eli Zaretskii References: <9bb33f4b-31db-c3ee-1411-003fb7e179aa@gmail.com> <8336mgftso.fsf@gnu.org> From: Sebastian Urban Message-ID: Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2019 22:32:23 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8336mgftso.fsf@gnu.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 35044 Cc: 35044@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Well first thing I did was to search the manual (Emacs, not Elisp). Even if they skip the manual, anyone will have easier way to answer similar questions, by simply pointing to chapter in the manual - it's easier than searching and linking my thread or writing explanation again. S. U. 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[45.2.119.34]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id f65sm2868235qkb.83.2019.04.19.14.47.56 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Fri, 19 Apr 2019 14:47:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Noam Postavsky To: Sebastian Urban Subject: Re: bug#35044: 25.2; Description of "disappearing" faces (Emacs Manual) References: Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2019 17:47:55 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Sebastian Urban's message of "Fri, 29 Mar 2019 20:43:33 +0100") Message-ID: <875zr9vf90.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-=-=" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 35044 Cc: 35044@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Sebastian Urban writes: > According to help-gnu-emacs thread > (lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-gnu-emacs/2019-03/msg00205.html) this > is normal behaviour, but from perspective of beginner it looks like > a bug. Therefore I suggest a sentence or two, perhaps in chapter > "11.12 Font lock mode", about how Font lock takes over control of > faces when user switches to mode with defined font-lock faces leaving > only those from this mode and turning off others (unless they have > also property font-lock-face). So I've been looking at this, and I think maybe the only manual change needed is in the Elisp manual to more strongly recommend using font-lock-face for this sort of thing: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/x-diff Content-Disposition: inline; filename=0001-Recommend-using-font-lock-face-over-face-Bug-35044.patch Content-Description: patch >From 12148e9d93f885fd6e4e82f485c319486c1e9652 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Noam Postavsky Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2019 00:55:14 -0400 Subject: [PATCH] Recommend using font-lock-face over face (Bug#35044) * doc/lispref/modes.texi (Precalculated Fontification): Explain advantages of using font-lock-face over face. --- doc/lispref/modes.texi | 7 ++++++- 1 file changed, 6 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-) diff --git a/doc/lispref/modes.texi b/doc/lispref/modes.texi index 919816f3de..0ff13d72e2 100644 --- a/doc/lispref/modes.texi +++ b/doc/lispref/modes.texi @@ -3201,7 +3201,12 @@ is disabled, @code{font-lock-face} has no effect on the display. It is ok for a mode to use @code{font-lock-face} for some text and also use the normal Font Lock machinery. But if the mode does not use the normal Font Lock machinery, it should not set the variable -@code{font-lock-defaults}. +@code{font-lock-defaults}. In this case the @code{face} property will +not be overriden, so using the @code{face} property could work too. +However, using @code{font-lock-face} is generally preferable as it +allows the user to control the fontification by toggling +@code{font-lock-mode}, and lets the code work regardless of whether +the mode uses Font Lock machinery or not. @node Faces for Font Lock @subsection Faces for Font Lock -- 2.11.0 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain > Also the behaviour of reappearing table-cell face after switch back to > fundamental-mode or text-mode seems to be not quite right, shouldn't it > reappear in every cell at once (just like it disappears)? If I understand correctly, this is rather a bug in table.el: it should use 'font-lock-face instead of 'face, and then all this buggy behaviour will go away. Perhaps you'd like to send a patch? --=-=-=-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Apr 20 02:23:40 2019 Received: (at 35044) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Apr 2019 06:23:40 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45327 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hHjPX-00067x-Oo for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 20 Apr 2019 02:23:40 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:41068) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hHjPW-00067j-DG for 35044@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 20 Apr 2019 02:23:38 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:55857) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hHjPR-0003fb-9y; Sat, 20 Apr 2019 02:23:33 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3893 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1hHjPQ-0004bt-MU; Sat, 20 Apr 2019 02:23:33 -0400 Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2019 09:23:18 +0300 Message-Id: <83sgudb3ft.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Noam Postavsky In-reply-to: <875zr9vf90.fsf@gmail.com> (message from Noam Postavsky on Fri, 19 Apr 2019 17:47:55 -0400) Subject: Re: bug#35044: 25.2; Description of "disappearing" faces (Emacs Manual) References: <875zr9vf90.fsf@gmail.com> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 35044 Cc: mrsebastianurban@gmail.com, 35044@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Noam Postavsky > Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2019 17:47:55 -0400 > Cc: 35044@debbugs.gnu.org > > So I've been looking at this, and I think maybe the only manual change > needed is in the Elisp manual to more strongly recommend using > font-lock-face for this sort of thing: LGTM, thanks. 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I think maybe the only manual change needed is in the Elisp > manual (...) I would like to remind that the target is someone new to Emacs or as I wrote before "(...) from perspective of *beginner* (...)". Now, which Emacs beginner will look into Elisp manual? This is why Emacs Manual, not Elisp, not Elisp introduction etc., needs a simply written line about it. Patch for Elisp manual is nice, but for advanced users. Maybe something like (11.12(PDF) or 14.12(info) Font Lock mode - 1st paragraph): (...) buffer’s major mode tells Font Lock mode which text to fontify; for instance, programming language modes fontify syntactically relevant -constructs like comments, strings, and function names. +constructs like comments, strings, and function names. Any faces not +defined as font-lock-faces or by major mode will be ignored by Font +Lock mode, i.e. these faces will not be applied. Font Lock mode is enabled by default. To toggle it in the current (...) Maybe instead of "Any faces", "Most faces" should be used (I'm thinking about hardcoded faces for example). > If I understand correctly, this is rather a bug in table.el: it should > use 'font-lock-face instead of 'face, and then all this buggy > behaviour will go away. Perhaps you'd like to send a patch? Wouldn't this change ('face -> 'font-lock-face) also kill main problem of this bug(#35044) - disappearing face? Of course only for table. Because if so, in addition to manual update, maybe a code update in table.el would be nice thing to do - kind of "2 for 1"? Unfortunately I'm last person who should do code updates right now - I didn't even finish first 14 chapters of Emacs manual... yet. S. U. 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[45.2.119.34]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id g12sm7293670qki.76.2019.04.22.13.59.24 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Mon, 22 Apr 2019 13:59:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Noam Postavsky To: Sebastian Urban Subject: Re: bug#35044: 25.2; Description of "disappearing" faces (Emacs Manual) References: <875zr9vf90.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2019 16:59:23 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Sebastian Urban's message of "Mon, 22 Apr 2019 22:03:18 +0200") Message-ID: <87a7ghsqms.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 35044 Cc: 35044@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Sebastian Urban writes: > I would like to remind that the target is someone new to Emacs or as > I wrote before "(...) from perspective of *beginner* (...)". Now, > which Emacs beginner will look into Elisp manual? > buffer=E2=80=99s major mode tells Font Lock mode which text to fontify; f= or > instance, programming language modes fontify syntactically relevant > -constructs like comments, strings, and function names. > +constructs like comments, strings, and function names. Any faces not > +defined as font-lock-faces or by major mode will be ignored by Font > +Lock mode, i.e. these faces will not be applied. I'm unclear how this will help a beginner user. It sounds like it's describing a potential source of buggy behaviour. But we don't want the manual to excuse buggy behaviour, we rather want users to report bugs. > Maybe instead of "Any faces", "Most faces" should be used (I'm > thinking about hardcoded faces for example). Not sure what you mean by "hardcoded" faces. >> If I understand correctly, this is rather a bug in table.el: it should >> use 'font-lock-face instead of 'face, and then all this buggy >> behaviour will go away. Perhaps you'd like to send a patch? > > Wouldn't this change ('face -> 'font-lock-face) also kill main problem > of this bug(#35044) - disappearing face? Of course only for table. Yes, I think so (that's what I meant by "all"). > Because if so, in addition to manual update, maybe a code update in > table.el would be nice thing to do - kind of "2 for 1"? > > Unfortunately I'm last person who should do code updates right now - > I didn't even finish first 14 chapters of Emacs manual... yet. Jump in the deep end! 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([2a00:f41:1cf6:49be:1d4b:6f69:1044:80ea]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 77sm179764ljj.57.2019.04.24.15.01.16 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 24 Apr 2019 15:01:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Sebastian Urban Subject: Re: bug#35044: 25.2; Description of "disappearing" faces (Emacs Manual) To: Noam Postavsky References: <875zr9vf90.fsf@gmail.com> <87a7ghsqms.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: <91458fc2-3478-998d-f34d-ae2145d07936@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2019 00:01:16 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <87a7ghsqms.fsf@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 35044 Cc: 35044@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) > I'm unclear how this will help a beginner user. It sounds like > it's describing a potential source of buggy behaviour. Well this is why I didn't want to write it, also it's more like concept/idea rather than a patch. Again new users should not be surprised by this behaviour, so a line of warning would be nice, but if it sounds like description of bug... Maybe a footnote "This is not a bug!" at the end (yes, this is a joke). > Not sure what you mean by "hardcoded" faces. Quote (for example) RET character (C-q RET), then do 'describe-char' on it and you'll get something like "hardcoded face: escape-glyph" in the description. --- About that change 'face -> 'font-lock-face in table.el, I would probably need to report another bug/wishlist thing, am I correct? S. U. 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[45.2.119.34]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id 6sm16734608qtt.8.2019.04.26.05.49.42 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Fri, 26 Apr 2019 05:49:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Noam Postavsky To: Sebastian Urban Subject: Re: bug#35044: 25.2; Description of "disappearing" faces (Emacs Manual) References: <875zr9vf90.fsf@gmail.com> <87a7ghsqms.fsf@gmail.com> <91458fc2-3478-998d-f34d-ae2145d07936@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2019 08:49:41 -0400 In-Reply-To: <91458fc2-3478-998d-f34d-ae2145d07936@gmail.com> (Sebastian Urban's message of "Thu, 25 Apr 2019 00:01:16 +0200") Message-ID: <87a7gdq6ca.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.2 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 35044 Cc: 35044@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.2 (-) Sebastian Urban writes: >> I'm unclear how this will help a beginner user. It sounds like >> it's describing a potential source of buggy behaviour. > > Well this is why I didn't want to write it, also it's more like > concept/idea rather than a patch. Again new users should not be > surprised by this behaviour, so a line of warning would be nice, but > if it sounds like description of bug... Maybe a footnote "This is not > a bug!" at the end (yes, this is a joke). I mean, new users *should* probably be surprised by this behaviour which is in fact a bug. And elisp authors (ideally) should not write code with bugs, hence my suggestion to update the elisp manual to give stronger advice about how to avoid doing that (for this particular class of bug). >> Not sure what you mean by "hardcoded" faces. > > Quote (for example) RET character (C-q RET), then do 'describe-char' > on it and you'll get something like "hardcoded face: escape-glyph" in > the description. I wasn't aware of this, looks like "hardcoded" refers to faces applied directly by the display engine to particular characters. > --- > > About that change 'face -> 'font-lock-face in table.el, I would > probably need to report another bug/wishlist thing, am I correct? Yeah, it would be neater to have a separate report. Though you can just send it in this same thread if you like. 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[37.47.12.11]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id y4sm9094269wmj.20.2019.04.27.08.55.50 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 27 Apr 2019 08:55:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Sebastian Urban Subject: Re: bug#35044: 25.2; Description of "disappearing" faces (Emacs Manual) To: Noam Postavsky References: <875zr9vf90.fsf@gmail.com> <87a7ghsqms.fsf@gmail.com> <91458fc2-3478-998d-f34d-ae2145d07936@gmail.com> <87a7gdq6ca.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2019 17:55:55 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <87a7gdq6ca.fsf@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -0.2 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 35044 Cc: 35044@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.2 (-) To sum things up, approach for this bug won't be updating "Emacs manual", because it could end up as an excuse for bug(s), but rather: 1. updating "Elisp manual" with advice to use 'font-lock-face' over 'face' (which you already did with patch) - dev pov, 2. updating "table.el" to use 'font-lock-face' instead 'face' - user pov. But won't it (especially point 2.) start a "face hunt", because there may be other functions/modes that have the same problem - using 'face' when they should use 'font-lock-face'... or should I just don't care until it happen? S. U. 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[45.2.119.34]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id s64sm15189361qkc.39.2019.04.27.14.20.58 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Sat, 27 Apr 2019 14:20:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Noam Postavsky To: Sebastian Urban Subject: Re: bug#35044: 25.2; Description of "disappearing" faces (Emacs Manual) References: <875zr9vf90.fsf@gmail.com> <87a7ghsqms.fsf@gmail.com> <91458fc2-3478-998d-f34d-ae2145d07936@gmail.com> <87a7gdq6ca.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2019 17:20:58 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Sebastian Urban's message of "Sat, 27 Apr 2019 17:55:55 +0200") Message-ID: <87ftq3p2kl.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 35044 Cc: 35044@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Sebastian Urban writes: > To sum things up, approach for this bug won't be updating "Emacs > manual", because it could end up as an excuse for bug(s), but rather: > > 1. updating "Elisp manual" with advice to use 'font-lock-face' over > 'face' (which you already did with patch) - dev pov, > > 2. updating "table.el" to use 'font-lock-face' instead 'face' - user > pov. Yes. > But won't it (especially point 2.) start a "face hunt", because there > may be other functions/modes that have the same problem - using 'face' > when they should use 'font-lock-face'... or should I just don't care > until it happen? Yes, it's quite possible that other functions/modes have the same problem. But there's no need to specifically hunt them down (unless you want to). 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([2a00:f41:1cdd:4b24:c115:772:5ade:1d94]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id v24sm313860lje.31.2019.04.28.14.17.27 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 28 Apr 2019 14:17:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Sebastian Urban Subject: Re: bug#35044: 25.2; Description of "disappearing" faces (Emacs Manual) To: Noam Postavsky References: <875zr9vf90.fsf@gmail.com> <87a7ghsqms.fsf@gmail.com> <91458fc2-3478-998d-f34d-ae2145d07936@gmail.com> <87a7gdq6ca.fsf@gmail.com> <87ftq3p2kl.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2019 23:17:28 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <87ftq3p2kl.fsf@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 35044 Cc: 35044@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Ok, so from my point of view this bug can be closed, with your patch as part (first point) of solution. As for second point I'll make new bug report about need of update for "table.el". 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[45.2.119.34]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id 8sm18454007qtr.32.2019.04.28.14.22.31 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Sun, 28 Apr 2019 14:22:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Noam Postavsky To: Sebastian Urban Subject: Re: bug#35044: 25.2; Description of "disappearing" faces (Emacs Manual) References: <875zr9vf90.fsf@gmail.com> <87a7ghsqms.fsf@gmail.com> <91458fc2-3478-998d-f34d-ae2145d07936@gmail.com> <87a7gdq6ca.fsf@gmail.com> <87ftq3p2kl.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2019 17:22:31 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Sebastian Urban's message of "Sun, 28 Apr 2019 23:17:28 +0200") Message-ID: <874l6hq0yw.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 35044 Cc: 35044@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) close 35044 26.3 quit Sebastian Urban writes: > Ok, so from my point of view this bug can be closed, with your patch > as part (first point) of solution. As for second point I'll make new > bug report about need of update for "table.el". Alright, pushed to emacs-26. 140e7f890f 2019-04-28T17:20:17-04:00 "Recommend using font-lock-face over face (Bug#35044)" https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git/commit/?id=140e7f890fa94f8b6381dfa3e0682cacfa92a593 From unknown Tue Jun 17 20:39:25 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Mon, 27 May 2019 11:24:04 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator