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Reply-To: bug#34502 <34502@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2025 14:21:03 +0000 retitle 34502 Ask yourself, am I generating a NEW .overview file? reassign 34502 emacs,gnus submitter 34502 =E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC Dan Jacobson severity 34502 minor tag 34502 notabug thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Feb 16 14:31:53 2019 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Feb 2019 19:31:53 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50526 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gv5gm-0001lL-Vu for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Feb 2019 14:31:53 -0500 Received: from eastern.maple.relay.mailchannels.net ([23.83.214.55]:9887) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gv5gk-0001lC-8B for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Feb 2019 14:31:51 -0500 X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0DA4429CF for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2019 19:31:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a15.g.dreamhost.com (unknown [100.96.26.166]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 61A63430A9 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2019 19:31:48 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a15.g.dreamhost.com (pop.dreamhost.com [64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.16.2); Sat, 16 Feb 2019 19:31:48 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost X-Little-Skirt: 1259ea9f22f12158_1550345508490_3747947332 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1550345508490:2136511102 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1550345508489 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a15.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a15.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2212B80021 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2019 11:31:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to :subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; s=jidanni.org; bh=qNfQfYpDFaAPLovFAY ak29ignu4=; b=llUhEUxBl1+esVw1H6DKuP9PJIG9PiZW5ipxVBEW2EUiJx6Z4j COV7uHg+TFeWAgfMJxfSZu7jJb9TSA6rHzSffAdQlzsjtU/rMPrjzbzC+9kWFRk4 RNdUXZzrp41vYyC7/C81TphADosD/4g1cAGZYlEVo/fcTV0OSQzhYGfok= Received: from jidanni.org (114-41-29-30.dynamic-ip.hinet.net [114.41.29.30]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jidanni@jidanni.org) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a15.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 70A8E8003C for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2019 11:31:47 -0800 (PST) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a15 From: =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson To: submit@debbugs.gnu.org (The Gnus Bugfixing Girls + Boys) Subject: Ask yourself, am I generating a NEW .overview file? X-Debbugs-Version: 5.13 X-Debbugs-Package: emacs,gnus Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2019 03:26:37 +0800 Message-ID: <8736onzg9e.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-VR-OUT-STATUS: OK X-VR-OUT-SCORE: 0 X-VR-OUT-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedtledruddtledguddvlecutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucggtfgfnhhsuhgsshgtrhhisggvpdfftffgtefojffquffvnecuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecunecujfgurhephffvufffkfggtgfgsehtkeertddttdejnecuhfhrohhmpejnnjjnucffrghnucflrggtohgsshhonhcuoehjihgurghnnhhisehjihgurghnnhhirdhorhhgqeenucfkphepuddugedrgedurddvledrfedtnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhhouggvpehsmhhtphdphhgvlhhopehjihgurghnnhhirdhorhhgpdhinhgvthepuddugedrgedurddvledrfedtpdhrvghtuhhrnhdqphgrthhhpeeprehuthhfqdekreeureehiehmpfehnfhiheehsgevkeerpecuffgrnhculfgrtghosghsohhnuceojhhiuggrnhhnihesjhhiuggrnhhnihdrohhrgheqpdhmrghilhhfrhhomhepjhhiuggrnhhnihesjhhiuggrnhhnihdrohhrghdpnhhrtghpthhtohepshhusghmihhtseguvggssghughhsrdhgnhhurdhorhhgnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptd Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.9 (/) nnml bug: 1. exit emacs 2. remove an .overview file. (Say it was corrupted. Or mom didn't like it, whatever. State secrets, you know.) 3. start emacs and gnus. etc. All is OK. 1. exit emacs 2. remove an .overview file. 3. send yourself a mail 4. start emacs and gnus... upon entering the group, the new overview file is generated only *containing only that new mail*. The user is shocked to see all his other mail is "lost forever" there is the *Summary* buffer. Workaroud: first "you should regenerate them by entering the server buffer using =E2=80=98= ^=E2=80=99, and then =E2=80=98g=E2=80=99 on the appropriate mail server (e.g., nnml) to cause regeneration." So, bug: when gnus regenerates overview files on its own, if it finds a new mail, it only uses that, not noticing all the existing mails. It first needs to ask itself: "am I, ho-hum, appending to an existing .ov= erview file, or gosh-once-in-a-lifetime fresh generating it for the first time?"= So it should look first, if it finds no .overview file, it had better regenerate it first before incorporating any new mail! Thanks! What's worse about this bug is gnus will work great for days, months, wit= h no .overview file for that group. Until one fateful day, when the user receives a new mail. And "KABAM", all his messages except that new mail are suddenly gone. No ESC 99999 RET entering the group will retrieve them back into the *Summary* buffer etc. Sure, you could say it is his own "fault" for removing the .overview file without asking grandma, and (seemingly) losing all his mails is proper "punishment" for the crime, case closed. But you could simply always check first: does the .overview file I am about to cheerily append to exist in the first place? Gnus v5.13 GNU Emacs 26.1 (build 2, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.4) of 2019-02-03, modified by Debian From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jul 09 12:39:08 2019 Received: (at 34502) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Jul 2019 16:39:08 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34004 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hkt92-0002Cz-10 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Jul 2019 12:39:08 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]:49376) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hkt90-0002Cp-EW for 34502@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Jul 2019 12:39:06 -0400 Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=marnie) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hkt8w-0007CE-4Z; Tue, 09 Jul 2019 18:39:04 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson Subject: Re: bug#34502: Ask yourself, am I generating a NEW .overview file? References: <8736onzg9e.fsf@jidanni.org> Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2019 18:39:01 +0200 In-Reply-To: <8736onzg9e.fsf@jidanni.org> (=?utf-8?B?IuepjeS4ueWwvA==?= Dan Jacobson"'s message of "Sun, 17 Feb 2019 03:26:37 +0800") Message-ID: <87imsbrwm2.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson writes: > nnml bug: > 1. exit emacs > 2. remove an .overview file. (Say it was corrupted. Or mom didn't like > it, whatever. State secrets, you know.) > 3. start emacs and gnus. etc. All is OK. Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 34502 Cc: 34502@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) =E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC Dan Jacobson writes: > nnml bug: > 1. exit emacs > 2. remove an .overview file. (Say it was corrupted. Or mom didn't like > it, whatever. State secrets, you know.) > 3. start emacs and gnus. etc. All is OK. When you say "All is OK", do you mean that Gnus regenerates the nnml .overview file automatically when you start Gnus? --=20 (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jul 13 19:01:40 2019 Received: (at 34502) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Jul 2019 23:01:40 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43581 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hmR1P-0001GK-N6 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 13 Jul 2019 19:01:39 -0400 Received: from black.elm.relay.mailchannels.net ([23.83.212.19]:42818) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hmR1N-0001GA-4S for 34502@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 13 Jul 2019 19:01:37 -0400 X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EA30141A88; Sat, 13 Jul 2019 23:01:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a44.g.dreamhost.com (100-96-92-226.trex.outbound.svc.cluster.local [100.96.92.226]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id B3D63140672; Sat, 13 Jul 2019 23:01:34 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a44.g.dreamhost.com ([TEMPUNAVAIL]. 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References: <8736onzg9e.fsf@jidanni.org> <87imsbrwm2.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 06:57:03 +0800 Message-ID: <87o91xwnk0.5.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-VR-OUT-STATUS: OK X-VR-OUT-SCORE: -100 X-VR-OUT-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduvddrheeggddtvdcutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucggtfgfnhhsuhgsshgtrhhisggvpdfftffgtefojffquffvnecuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmdenucfjughrpefhvffufhffkfggtgesthdtredttddtjeenucfhrhhomhepnjjnnjcuffgrnhculfgrtghosghsohhnuceojhhiuggrnhhnihesjhhiuggrnhhnihdrohhrgheqnecukfhppedurddujedtrdekgedrvdehtdenucfrrghrrghmpehmohguvgepshhmthhppdhhvghlohepjhhiuggrnhhnihdrohhrghdpihhnvghtpedurddujedtrdekgedrvdehtddprhgvthhurhhnqdhprghthheppeeruhhtfhdqkeerueerheeimhfphefnihehhegsveekreepucffrghnucflrggtohgsshhonhcuoehjihgurghnnhhisehjihgurghnnhhirdhorhhgqedpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehjihgurghnnhhisehjihgurghnnhhirdhorhhgpdhnrhgtphhtthhopeefgeehtddvseguvggssghughhsrdhgnhhurdhorhhgnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgepud X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 34502 Cc: 34502@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) >>>>> "LI" == Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: LI> When you say "All is OK", do you mean that Gnus regenerates the nnml LI> .overview file automatically when you start Gnus? Yes, I think. I forgot. Can't remember for more than a month. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jul 14 07:58:38 2019 Received: (at 34502) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Jul 2019 11:58:38 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43935 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hmd9K-0006la-F3 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 14 Jul 2019 07:58:38 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]:50674) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hmd9J-0006lT-9U for 34502@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 14 Jul 2019 07:58:37 -0400 Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=stories) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hmd9D-0001v3-Kf; Sun, 14 Jul 2019 13:58:35 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson Subject: Re: bug#34502: Ask yourself, am I generating a NEW .overview file? References: <8736onzg9e.fsf@jidanni.org> <87imsbrwm2.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <87o91xwnk0.5.fsf@jidanni.org> Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 13:58:31 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87o91xwnk0.5.fsf@jidanni.org> (=?utf-8?B?IuepjeS4ueWwvA==?= Dan Jacobson"'s message of "Sun, 14 Jul 2019 06:57:03 +0800") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson writes: >>>>>> "LI" == Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > LI> When you say "All is OK", do you mean that Gnus regenerates the nnml > LI> .overview file automatically when you start Gnus? > > Yes, I [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 34502 Cc: 34502@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) =E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC Dan Jacobson writes: >>>>>> "LI" =3D=3D Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > LI> When you say "All is OK", do you mean that Gnus regenerates the nnml > LI> .overview file automatically when you start Gnus? > > Yes, I think. I forgot. Can't remember for more than a month. I've looked through the code for the nnml regeneration code paths, and I can't see that Gnus would do that automatically. Are you sure you didn't issue one of the commands to regenerate the files? --=20 (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jul 15 07:12:56 2019 Received: (at 34502) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jul 2019 11:12:56 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46615 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hmyub-0003FM-AV for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jul 2019 07:12:53 -0400 Received: from eastern.birch.relay.mailchannels.net ([23.83.209.55]:15112) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hmyuY-0003FB-7H for 34502@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jul 2019 07:12:51 -0400 X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26BEF1A23B2; Mon, 15 Jul 2019 11:12:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a35.g.dreamhost.com (100-96-14-124.trex.outbound.svc.cluster.local [100.96.14.124]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 6D2791A26E6; Mon, 15 Jul 2019 11:12:48 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a35.g.dreamhost.com ([TEMPUNAVAIL]. 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References: <8736onzg9e.fsf@jidanni.org> <87imsbrwm2.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <87o91xwnk0.5.fsf@jidanni.org> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2019 19:12:40 +0800 Message-ID: <875zo3d00n.5.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-VR-OUT-STATUS: OK X-VR-OUT-SCORE: -100 X-VR-OUT-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduvddrheekgdefhecutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucggtfgfnhhsuhgsshgtrhhisggvpdfftffgtefojffquffvnecuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmdenucfjughrpefhvffufhffkfggtgesthdtredttddtjeenucfhrhhomhepnjjnnjcuffgrnhculfgrtghosghsohhnuceojhhiuggrnhhnihesjhhiuggrnhhnihdrohhrgheqnecukfhppeduudegrdeguddrvdeirdduvddunecurfgrrhgrmhepmhhouggvpehsmhhtphdphhgvlhhopehjihgurghnnhhirdhorhhgpdhinhgvthepuddugedrgedurddviedruddvuddprhgvthhurhhnqdhprghthheppeeruhhtfhdqkeerueerheeimhfphefnihehhegsveekreepucffrghnucflrggtohgsshhonhcuoehjihgurghnnhhisehjihgurghnnhhirdhorhhgqedpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehjihgurghnnhhisehjihgurghnnhhirdhorhhgpdhnrhgtphhtthhopeefgeehtddvseguvggssghughhsrdhgnhhurdhorhhgnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptd X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 34502 Cc: 34502@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) >>>>> "LI" == Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: LI> I've looked through the code for the nnml regeneration code paths, and I LI> can't see that Gnus would do that automatically. Are you sure you LI> didn't issue one of the commands to regenerate the files? All I can say is close gnus, remove the .overview file. Then the next day continue using gnus as normal. Sooner or later the .overview will grow back again, just like a toenail does. That's all I know. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jul 15 07:36:26 2019 Received: (at 34502) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jul 2019 11:36:26 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46713 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hmzHM-0008Dh-59 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jul 2019 07:36:26 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]:41156) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hmzHK-0008DY-9n for 34502@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jul 2019 07:36:22 -0400 Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=stories) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hmzHF-0006Mk-8X; Mon, 15 Jul 2019 13:36:20 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson Subject: Re: bug#34502: Ask yourself, am I generating a NEW .overview file? References: <8736onzg9e.fsf@jidanni.org> <87imsbrwm2.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <87o91xwnk0.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <875zo3d00n.5.fsf@jidanni.org> Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAMFBMVEWdg4N2XmNMSEo/LjoM BwtZTlJMPEVMQ0f+/vzJubQDAgIlGSPe2dX////+//729O+Q2eZGAAABhklEQVQ4je3SsUsCURwH 8HdENih0DxMCt5bmeFLQjV4G3pLIs8FJDi+oJQjPf6ElumhRFFyazkXwwOEtORQcXNio4LP+gHBx Sbi6LjP5OTg4Bn0PHnfv8373gx8P8QVBy8JgEXT/4c/BYDgE8IK2YLaLRV0r+svJBTJnSc7eZD+o +Bv/NKilS98rjmyHj53yNIb/cP/b+eDIcbhdRT8RBCWJOXcd52nyK6OKsTiBtaQZBD3scEvEAjL8 ivZhFkAgu5cTdkSEI3j9oQ5gpXnaGGcwilB69AghaBmbbjgl0gwlUQgbB2XvLUpTaaI2bdh81RuX 2kxPaURtvI4ADLvueYXoBSKprfAtgOvOjSSpWp4wYsXPILiRClN3c4wxOZ6GQ/xsjyxJEmMKkxNz 4PXuLcaylsyshAbB7dUEjElBl+U4geA8h9L570HuJ5UmgPdaLzTWMRLUmKko/sZgCl6pb3faOTHN LLOugIpLj3cNL0CJD3dwVtzjvF++Fig91rQ8hAlezV+GLzTIR/7ky6+bAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2019 13:36:16 +0200 In-Reply-To: <875zo3d00n.5.fsf@jidanni.org> (=?utf-8?B?IuepjeS4ueWwvA==?= Dan Jacobson"'s message of "Mon, 15 Jul 2019 19:12:40 +0800") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson writes: >>>>>> "LI" == Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > > LI> I've looked through the code for the nnml regeneration code paths, and I > LI> can't see that Gnus would do that automatically. Are yo [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 34502 Cc: 34502@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) =E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC Dan Jacobson writes: >>>>>> "LI" =3D=3D Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > > LI> I've looked through the code for the nnml regeneration code paths, an= d I > LI> can't see that Gnus would do that automatically. Are you sure you > LI> didn't issue one of the commands to regenerate the files? > > All I can say is close gnus, remove the .overview file. > Then the next day continue using gnus as normal. > Sooner or later the .overview will grow back again, just like a toenail > does. That's all I know. As you receive emails, the .overview file will get the entries from that mail, and will keep growing. Is that what you're seeing? --=20 (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jul 15 08:17:03 2019 Received: (at 34502) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jul 2019 12:17:03 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46776 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hmzug-0006tn-Qk for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jul 2019 08:17:03 -0400 Received: from beige.elm.relay.mailchannels.net ([23.83.212.16]:5312) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hmzuc-0006oU-8U for 34502@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jul 2019 08:16:59 -0400 X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF5901A24EE; Mon, 15 Jul 2019 12:16:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a48.g.dreamhost.com (100-96-38-36.trex.outbound.svc.cluster.local [100.96.38.36]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 0D5571A2403; Mon, 15 Jul 2019 12:16:55 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a48.g.dreamhost.com ([TEMPUNAVAIL]. [64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.17.3); Mon, 15 Jul 2019 12:16:55 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost X-Drop-Tasty: 7975586254401e3e_1563193015587_2740904661 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1563193015586:1351588725 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1563193015586 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a48.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a48.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E99807F513; Mon, 15 Jul 2019 05:16:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; s=jidanni.org; bh=FcloTvxAQxSGk1cklLPEpBswK6U=; b=PmOoUEwFVFa7+ STv0+wYM8FH4F4pdw+dLIBt7RqHQracvyMAAFyVXzta0p+HjroqsDJWB0w8o9XQO zngx9P38L3xNSaCmkvmt3n55P9yy4medekgukXUEQFGQLQygrISL9yDfkMj6saT8 I24bQyfhFWlrubFgeSgEzTV5KZoVtc= Received: from jidanni.org (114-41-26-121.dynamic-ip.hinet.net [114.41.26.121]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jidanni@jidanni.org) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a48.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 197DD7F523; Mon, 15 Jul 2019 05:16:51 -0700 (PDT) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a48 From: =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#34502: Ask yourself, am I generating a NEW .overview file? References: <8736onzg9e.fsf@jidanni.org> <87imsbrwm2.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <87o91xwnk0.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <875zo3d00n.5.fsf@jidanni.org> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2019 20:16:48 +0800 Message-ID: <871ryrcx1r.5.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-VR-OUT-STATUS: OK X-VR-OUT-SCORE: -100 X-VR-OUT-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduvddrheekgdegkecutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucggtfgfnhhsuhgsshgtrhhisggvpdfftffgtefojffquffvnecuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmdenucfjughrpefhvffufhffkfggtgesthdtredttddtjeenucfhrhhomhepnjjnnjcuffgrnhculfgrtghosghsohhnuceojhhiuggrnhhnihesjhhiuggrnhhnihdrohhrgheqnecukfhppeduudegrdeguddrvdeirdduvddunecurfgrrhgrmhepmhhouggvpehsmhhtphdphhgvlhhopehjihgurghnnhhirdhorhhgpdhinhgvthepuddugedrgedurddviedruddvuddprhgvthhurhhnqdhprghthheppeeruhhtfhdqkeerueerheeimhfphefnihehhegsveekreepucffrghnucflrggtohgsshhonhcuoehjihgurghnnhhisehjihgurghnnhhirdhorhhgqedpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehjihgurghnnhhisehjihgurghnnhhirdhorhhgpdhnrhgtphhtthhopeefgeehtddvseguvggssghughhsrdhgnhhurdhorhhgnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptd X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 34502 Cc: 34502@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) >>>>> "LI" == Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: LI> As you receive emails, the .overview file will get the entries from that LI> mail, and will keep growing. Is that what you're seeing? So that explains how "all the old mail disappears when the first new mail arrives." Therefore gnus should be sure to check before blindly creating a new .overview file, just like I said at the top of this bug. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jul 15 08:20:36 2019 Received: (at 34502) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jul 2019 12:20:36 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46789 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hmzy7-0007Ni-Td for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jul 2019 08:20:36 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]:41812) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hmzy5-0007Na-Th for 34502@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jul 2019 08:20:34 -0400 Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=stories) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hmzy0-0007Uz-HZ; Mon, 15 Jul 2019 14:20:32 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson Subject: Re: bug#34502: Ask yourself, am I generating a NEW .overview file? References: <8736onzg9e.fsf@jidanni.org> <87imsbrwm2.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <87o91xwnk0.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <875zo3d00n.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <871ryrcx1r.5.fsf@jidanni.org> Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAHlBMVEUWEhHgy6gGAQMPCgsJ BAWBbkVCOh0MCAmznHgKBgdRvL2tAAACXUlEQVQ4jWXUQWvbMBQHcLEM96xDwMdhzKC3goi9Xo3a 4ttKcJre1oVk9DZwk0du8cGdzsWx0Lfd/8lymm46BOf9/N6TZMviTWsiu3ekSKlcKVXnhGsniiLR TqeXWutCl53ucKFtrUTBgSRN8YOR4l+RpFYpoZPbahiLzWkMcGNiKWMjfyKj8BVviUgUaYD4E0AX qdP6tqZroctjPABu7kpXOlf2pK6Fo61sAM1073hYcm6HmQNm0jAcXrrO4vay44xcOLuVpgE8ulJz ClbSEwEcIAY8+1JdB+25eemOKAW6QJTFQ75HBgNk6I15OdvzOgLEsU84LliRQaLsBjDI0PaJK36E +Llzum/kIx5BXysSGrNqGf447b5JeSD6CNP4AivCBXFGrnivPBg5jSRDTnaXk+IFxgwtNsw3U0Qo pcQdBbg3pmWY57ZHnPdqgKXhXV5WbXWx87DfmgEW3GEZt+bXLmSYqpFTs/z+xM2lMQ8jxB42ecbT A8wzxQ9qhFVO62ZxL6tqBZgIW89GqK/W6BJtJr6UpePQY7UnitbN4WpSZwyXFJrPieqrKFrh7c0Q H6E1D3g6WDEPDynNBpjnY1xlE8HTBRifUefqLOPl7pShxpEhLooyND+M4YmKGBK87Sh1Bup/4Ob5 qVRy057DqUfpArz+U8q+HD0sz8BnEG0DXI89hAcsMIA/6XWNF8SXKpGxHoAsoqdSaXGsAjgXtjEL 6+BS7fJVnEZY4JfN5sd7zH8ABvi6WHzmY6y1I/s7AoWMZDj4Kb42OE7Ej4VBFV6K5C1J+RtT4qTz DP4CDqNZDI8o/IEAAAAASUVORK5CYII= Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2019 14:20:28 +0200 In-Reply-To: <871ryrcx1r.5.fsf@jidanni.org> (=?utf-8?B?IuepjeS4ueWwvA==?= Dan Jacobson"'s message of "Mon, 15 Jul 2019 20:16:48 +0800") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson writes: >>>>>> "LI" == Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > LI> As you receive emails, the .overview file will get the entries from that > LI> mail, and will keep growing. Is that what you're seeing? [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 34502 Cc: 34502@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) =E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC Dan Jacobson writes: >>>>>> "LI" =3D=3D Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > LI> As you receive emails, the .overview file will get the entries from t= hat > LI> mail, and will keep growing. Is that what you're seeing? > > So that explains how "all the old mail disappears when the first new > mail arrives." OK, so your .overview file is never regenerated? That explains the mystery. > Therefore gnus should be sure to check before blindly creating a new > .overview file, just like I said at the top of this bug. No, it's perfectly legitimate to blow out the .overview file if you want to. If you don't want to, don't do that, then. --=20 (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jul 15 08:20:45 2019 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jul 2019 12:20:45 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46792 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hmzyH-0007O9-CK for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jul 2019 08:20:45 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]:41826) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hmzyF-0007O0-HN for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jul 2019 08:20:43 -0400 Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=stories) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hmzyD-0007VG-1t for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jul 2019 14:20:42 +0200 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2019 14:20:40 +0200 Message-Id: To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #34502 X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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Content preview: tags 34502 notabug close 34502 quit Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) tags 34502 notabug close 34502 quit From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jul 15 08:56:20 2019 Received: (at 34502) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jul 2019 12:56:20 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46849 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hn0Wh-0004Bl-9p for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jul 2019 08:56:19 -0400 Received: from bonobo.elm.relay.mailchannels.net ([23.83.212.22]:61241) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hn0Wf-0004Bc-2y for 34502@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jul 2019 08:56:17 -0400 X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE48B140969; Mon, 15 Jul 2019 12:56:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a48.g.dreamhost.com (100-96-83-224.trex.outbound.svc.cluster.local [100.96.83.224]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 3B2CE141C58; Mon, 15 Jul 2019 12:56:15 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a48.g.dreamhost.com ([TEMPUNAVAIL]. [64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.17.3); Mon, 15 Jul 2019 12:56:15 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost X-Tank-Bitter: 644009a120e6189d_1563195375503_2060000084 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1563195375503:3170838943 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1563195375502 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a48.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a48.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA5197F506; Mon, 15 Jul 2019 05:56:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; s=jidanni.org; bh=pLNZHes/LFDAiEnp3Ql16gdOHsA=; b=KTNQwA+0Va2Ks 1o6rIIkJWqtPLAU1I9IQajMgfHrtfm4Ie+IS5g5uQ5/w5QYxJK4Xk2ugjrVb9gZP XLe3uc7e8Q45Vu6cz7qlZuJ+51xFa8aHnsXvbVk/RqeTYDd6N0EFJ2AMf4VIiMyC r8w4kz5vk8slGVJDTm3gBYtrF7O2zk= Received: from jidanni.org (114-41-26-121.dynamic-ip.hinet.net [114.41.26.121]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jidanni@jidanni.org) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a48.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D9C7A7F555; Mon, 15 Jul 2019 05:56:09 -0700 (PDT) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a48 From: =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#34502: Ask yourself, am I generating a NEW .overview file? References: <8736onzg9e.fsf@jidanni.org> <87imsbrwm2.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <87o91xwnk0.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <875zo3d00n.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <871ryrcx1r.5.fsf@jidanni.org> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2019 20:56:06 +0800 Message-ID: <87wogjbgnt.5.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-VR-OUT-STATUS: OK X-VR-OUT-SCORE: -100 X-VR-OUT-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduvddrheekgdehiecutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucggtfgfnhhsuhgsshgtrhhisggvpdfftffgtefojffquffvnecuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmdenucfjughrpefhvffufhffkfggtgesthdtredttddtjeenucfhrhhomhepnjjnnjcuffgrnhculfgrtghosghsohhnuceojhhiuggrnhhnihesjhhiuggrnhhnihdrohhrgheqnecukfhppeduudegrdeguddrvdeirdduvddunecurfgrrhgrmhepmhhouggvpehsmhhtphdphhgvlhhopehjihgurghnnhhirdhorhhgpdhinhgvthepuddugedrgedurddviedruddvuddprhgvthhurhhnqdhprghthheppeeruhhtfhdqkeerueerheeimhfphefnihehhegsveekreepucffrghnucflrggtohgsshhonhcuoehjihgurghnnhhisehjihgurghnnhhirdhorhhgqedpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehjihgurghnnhhisehjihgurghnnhhirdhorhhgpdhnrhgtphhtthhopeefgeehtddvseguvggssghughhsrdhgnhhurdhorhhgnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptd X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 34502 Cc: 34502@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) I'm saying that blindly generating a short overview file when the next message arrives will cause the user to lose all their other mail. You might argue that the mail is still there, but try telling that to the user. The overview file might be gone for many reasons. E.g., full disks recently, etc. It is irresponsible and careless to not add a simple check for the situation I reported. From unknown Fri Jun 20 07:21:03 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 11:24:05 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator