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Fri, 15 Feb 2019 08:13:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to :subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; s= jidanni.org; bh=LvNyugEtziTsXnhN3kmGjGVWwcI=; b=X7i3vIoSChTCyUbR G1kl6ggd48oDB1I0gnTLguhBNbJt/o+f09Cxr6D31rMEImjt39iV1/neHlbSHzUf EoKLqD3EWnW1SuaMHyjzVbpZk4aFJtMTNWchq7nUEX2Bh+GB+k0JuUpHlmLlWBdJ 5gWMhuRPIPv/FZHwJK+xux5uO2Q= Received: from jidanni.org (114-41-34-44.dynamic-ip.hinet.net [114.41.34.44]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jidanni@jidanni.org) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a80.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 25DED807D0 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2019 08:13:55 -0800 (PST) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a80 From: =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson To: bug-coreutils@gnu.org Subject: console the user that his -n in sort --debug -n was seen Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2019 22:21:37 +0800 Message-ID: <87sgwpf7ym.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-VR-OUT-STATUS: OK X-VR-OUT-SCORE: 0 X-VR-OUT-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedtledruddtjedgkeehucetufdoteggodetrfdotffvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuggftfghnshhusghstghrihgsvgdpffftgfetoffjqffuvfenuceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucenucfjughrpefhvffufffkgggtsehttdertddttdejnecuhfhrohhmpejnnjjnucffrghnucflrggtohgsshhonhcuoehjihgurghnnhhisehjihgurghnnhhirdhorhhgqeenucfkphepuddugedrgedurdefgedrgeegnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhhouggvpehsmhhtphdphhgvlhhopehjihgurghnnhhirdhorhhgpdhinhgvthepuddugedrgedurdefgedrgeegpdhrvghtuhhrnhdqphgrthhhpeeprehuthhfqdekreeureehiehmpfehnfhiheehsgevkeerpecuffgrnhculfgrtghosghsohhnuceojhhiuggrnhhnihesjhhiuggrnhhnihdrohhrgheqpdhmrghilhhfrhhomhepjhhiuggrnhhnihesjhhiuggrnhhnihdrohhrghdpnhhrtghpthhtohepsghughdqtghorhgvuhhtihhlshesghhnuhdrohhrghenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedt X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 23.83.209.73 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) Can you please have assure the user in that message it makes that it has indeed seen his -n/--numeric-sort. $ sort --debug sort: using simple byte comparison $ sort --debug --numeric-sort sort: using simple byte comparison ^^^^ unchanged. User gets nervous. sort (GNU coreutils) 8.30. Sorry we discussed this before but kinda hard to find... From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Feb 16 23:53:54 2019 Received: (at 34490) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Feb 2019 04:53:55 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50650 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gvESg-0008Ty-J6 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Feb 2019 23:53:54 -0500 Received: from mail.magicbluesmoke.com ([82.195.144.49]:45826) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gvESe-0008Tn-DD for 34490@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Feb 2019 23:53:52 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain (unknown [76.21.115.186]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.magicbluesmoke.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2BB9C9F3C; Sun, 17 Feb 2019 04:53:50 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: bug#34490: console the user that his -n in sort --debug -n was seen To: =?UTF-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8IERhbiBKYWNvYnNvbg==?= , 34490@debbugs.gnu.org References: <87sgwpf7ym.fsf@jidanni.org> From: =?UTF-8?Q?P=c3=a1draig_Brady?= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 20:53:48 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <87sgwpf7ym.fsf@jidanni.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 34490 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On 15/02/19 06:21, 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson wrote: > Can you please have assure the user in that message it makes > that it has indeed seen his -n/--numeric-sort. > > $ sort --debug > sort: using simple byte comparison > $ sort --debug --numeric-sort > sort: using simple byte comparison > ^^^^ unchanged. User gets nervous. > > sort (GNU coreutils) 8.30. Sorry we discussed this before but kinda hard to find... Fair point. I'm thinking of this extra qualification: sort: text ordering performed using ‘en_IE.UTF-8’ sorting rules sort: text ordering performed using simple byte comparison cheers, Pádraig From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Feb 17 02:28:34 2019 Received: (at 34490) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Feb 2019 07:28:34 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50684 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gvGsL-0004M6-Pz for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 17 Feb 2019 02:28:34 -0500 Received: from insect.birch.relay.mailchannels.net ([23.83.209.93]:40554) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gvGsJ-0004Lv-8q for 34490@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 17 Feb 2019 02:28:32 -0500 X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6164512366A; Sun, 17 Feb 2019 07:28:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a71.g.dreamhost.com (unknown [100.96.35.77]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id EF8FF122D16; Sun, 17 Feb 2019 07:28:28 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a71.g.dreamhost.com (pop.dreamhost.com [64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.16.2); Sun, 17 Feb 2019 07:28:29 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost X-Sponge-Absorbed: 56e811613a496957_1550388509195_3360635234 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1550388509195:1288033154 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1550388509195 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a71.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a71.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 824E881E4E; Sat, 16 Feb 2019 23:28:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; s=jidanni.org; bh=DLInINEPL8LnLOqjON HNJZ0A4h4=; b=nz0fDrziAzL0dwJcWxk3nHHrlrsPngZ4NgVhL1dBp6mPMj6awi YbqGVIkEC0toAcbbIG4BASxC5WkHMRkcBiK1mXeA1dTYNFWN3HnnKGHZyBKUlz/t ylLMjBiDCPmChcM1RUI57/5+oNFQUc6F6u0SSmJpArxZbmc7M8zMopAv0= Received: from jidanni.org (111-246-86-62.dynamic-ip.hinet.net [111.246.86.62]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jidanni@jidanni.org) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a71.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C0B8B81E4B; Sat, 16 Feb 2019 23:28:27 -0800 (PST) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a71 From: =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson To: =?utf-8?Q?P=C3=A1draig?= Brady Subject: Re: bug#34490: console the user that his -n in sort --debug -n was seen References: <87sgwpf7ym.fsf@jidanni.org> Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2019 15:28:24 +0800 Message-ID: <87sgwmswkn.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-VR-OUT-STATUS: OK X-VR-OUT-SCORE: 0 X-VR-OUT-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedtledruddutddguddtiecutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucggtfgfnhhsuhgsshgtrhhisggvpdfftffgtefojffquffvnecuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecunecujfgurhephffvufhffffkgggtgfesthekredttddtjeenucfhrhhomhepnjjnnjcuffgrnhculfgrtghosghsohhnuceojhhiuggrnhhnihesjhhiuggrnhhnihdrohhrgheqnecukfhppeduuddurddvgeeirdekiedriedvnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhhouggvpehsmhhtphdphhgvlhhopehjihgurghnnhhirdhorhhgpdhinhgvthepudduuddrvdegiedrkeeirdeivddprhgvthhurhhnqdhprghthheppeeruhhtfhdqkeerueerheeimhfphefnihehhegsveekreepucffrghnucflrggtohgsshhonhcuoehjihgurghnnhhisehjihgurghnnhhirdhorhhgqedpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehjihgurghnnhhisehjihgurghnnhhirdhorhhgpdhnrhgtphhtthhopeefgeegledtseguvggssghughhsrdhgnhhurdhorhhgnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptd Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 34490 Cc: 34490@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.9 (/) >>>>> "PB" =3D=3D P=C3=A1draig Brady writes: PB> Fair point. I'm thinking of this extra qualification: PB> sort: text ordering performed using =E2=80=98en_IE.UTF-8=E2=80=99 s= orting rules Maybe say ^^^^^^^^^^^^'LC_CTYPE=3Den_IE.= UTF-8' sorting rules PB> sort: text ordering performed using simple byte comparison sort: text ordering performed using simple byte (LC_CTYPE=3DC) comparison or something like that. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Feb 17 22:11:57 2019 Received: (at 34490-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Feb 2019 03:11:57 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51921 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gvZLZ-0001c3-MD for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 17 Feb 2019 22:11:57 -0500 Received: from mail.magicbluesmoke.com ([82.195.144.49]:52010) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gvZLX-0001br-9v for 34490-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 17 Feb 2019 22:11:55 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain (unknown [76.21.115.186]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.magicbluesmoke.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 820F6A272; Mon, 18 Feb 2019 03:11:53 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: bug#34490: console the user that his -n in sort --debug -n was seen To: =?UTF-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8IERhbiBKYWNvYnNvbg==?= References: <87sgwpf7ym.fsf@jidanni.org> <87sgwmswkn.fsf@jidanni.org> From: =?UTF-8?Q?P=c3=a1draig_Brady?= Message-ID: <7dea282f-2b9c-64d6-839c-8927f7ffd177@draigBrady.com> Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2019 19:11:51 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <87sgwmswkn.fsf@jidanni.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 34490-done Cc: 34490-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On 16/02/19 23:28, 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson wrote: >>>>>> "PB" == Pádraig Brady writes: > PB> Fair point. I'm thinking of this extra qualification: > > PB> sort: text ordering performed using ‘en_IE.UTF-8’ sorting rules > Maybe say ^^^^^^^^^^^^'LC_CTYPE=en_IE.UTF-8' sorting rules > > PB> sort: text ordering performed using simple byte comparison > > sort: text ordering performed using simple byte (LC_CTYPE=C) comparison > or something like that. That's probably more confusing to the user, especially as one doesn't generally explicitly set LC_CTYPE. I'll go with my clarification. thanks, Pádraig From unknown Fri Aug 15 16:18:07 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 11:24:05 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator