From unknown Sun Jun 22 08:00:01 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#34357: Non-Emacs feeling Resent-From: "Ulrich Windl" Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2019 22:42:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 34357 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 34357@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.15494928778629 (code B ref -1); Wed, 06 Feb 2019 22:42:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Feb 2019 22:41:17 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36319 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1grVsb-0002F7-5O for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2019 17:41:17 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:56442) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1grVsZ-0002Eu-4N for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2019 17:41:15 -0500 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:47686) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1grVsT-00049c-7C for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2019 17:41:09 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:42437) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1grVsS-0001dj-45 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2019 17:41:08 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1grViF-000064-1H for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2019 17:30:37 -0500 Received: from rrzmta1.uni-regensburg.de ([194.94.155.51]:35145) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1grViC-0008Vl-Vv for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2019 17:30:34 -0500 Received: from rrzmta1.uni-regensburg.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id B0FBD671DD for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2019 23:30:30 +0100 (CET) Received: from gwsmtp1.uni-regensburg.de (gwsmtp1.uni-regensburg.de [132.199.5.51]) by rrzmta1.uni-regensburg.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 993DD5EB62 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2019 23:30:30 +0100 (CET) Received: from uni-regensburg-smtp1-MTA by gwsmtp1.uni-regensburg.de with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 06 Feb 2019 23:30:30 +0100 Message-Id: <5C5B6005020000A10002F8AF@gwsmtp1.uni-regensburg.de> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 18.1.0 Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2019 23:30:29 +0100 From: "Ulrich Windl" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 194.94.155.51 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Hi! This is a bug report not so much against GNU Emacs, but against the users = who changed Emacs recently. To me it seems some users do not understand = the spirit of Emacs when making changes. If you don't like Emacs, use = another editor, but do not make Emacs like other editors! Two examples: 1: Since some versions you cannot autocomplete the buffer you are visiting = any more: A typical use-case is that you want to visit the buffer you are = editing in another window, like after C-x 4 b. Now you must completely = type the buffer name, an absolute mis-feature! 2: When long lines are being displayed, mark up and down do not change the = position to the next logical line (as defined by the buffer), but to the = displayed line (subject to screen and font size). If you are at the = beginning of a long line, and you want to move to the next line (maybe to = insert something), this "change" is a nightmare. I know it can be = customized, but why is the incompatible stupid setting the new default? I could also mention half-window vertical scrolling... Regards, Ulrich Windl From unknown Sun Jun 22 08:00:01 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#34357: Non-Emacs feeling Resent-From: Brett Gilio Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2019 22:59:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 34357 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Ulrich Windl Cc: 34357@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 34357-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B34357.154949388710314 (code B ref 34357); Wed, 06 Feb 2019 22:59:01 +0000 Received: (at 34357) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Feb 2019 22:58:07 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36334 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1grW8s-0002gI-VG for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2019 17:58:07 -0500 Received: from mout01.posteo.de ([185.67.36.65]:48153) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1grW8q-0002fg-Ld for 34357@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2019 17:58:06 -0500 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ED75C16005E for <34357@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 6 Feb 2019 23:57:57 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1549493878; bh=nCpnkgsDqAJKlqBgk+jyAJMMCzRgX0R3YlAcAdfs53s=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:From; b=mv0fdfdvhkEijZRaka4CUQBvNhGEoPQ5iTggS7RUSmpRfPOdGv/vIbyZXiAtaHWbl aVQzZ1v95wANQizCABHLLxk/tuv1ZD5XzpuSI0SAH1mLnkt7UWEM178dtj/POq73U9 NymNow4eTEJLnnK/81ANGRA+6HNDzsP8cWQ/PxujQcVrmw6vaXW1p2uHCOKNj0bWEU y9usU8jl6kHgVhvgcp5a0VUm/MNEhI1GjBtDxGT3MYNIqd+hpRwi3SLZzHQPH3tm9J vX8Myt+BqkGedypd8DTVh1dY1V/cL7SVwMhB0G1S+6IIZ0gV8lmthervaPszAh6Hfb iSpn5Z2Wc6cKw== Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 43vxg855b3z6tm8; Wed, 6 Feb 2019 23:57:56 +0100 (CET) References: <5C5B6005020000A10002F8AF@gwsmtp1.uni-regensburg.de> User-agent: mu4e 1.0; emacs 26.1 From: Brett Gilio In-reply-to: <5C5B6005020000A10002F8AF@gwsmtp1.uni-regensburg.de> Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2019 16:57:54 -0600 Message-ID: <87y36sy171.fsf@posteo.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Ulrich Windl writes: > Hi! > > This is a bug report not so much against GNU Emacs, but against the users who changed Emacs recently. To me it seems some users do not understand the spirit of Emacs when making changes. If you don't like Emacs, use another editor, but do not make Emacs like other editors! > > Two examples: > > 1: Since some versions you cannot autocomplete the buffer you are visiting any more: A typical use-case is that you want to visit the buffer you are editing in another window, like after C-x 4 b. Now you must completely type the buffer name, an absolute mis-feature! > > 2: When long lines are being displayed, mark up and down do not change the position to the next logical line (as defined by the buffer), but to the displayed line (subject to screen and font size). If you are at the beginning of a long line, and you want to move to the next line (maybe to insert something), this "change" is a nightmare. I know it can be customized, but why is the incompatible stupid setting the new default? > > I could also mention half-window vertical scrolling... > > > Regards, > Ulrich Windl Agree or disagree with what you are saying, what was the point of your email? If you have an issue with certain implementations, I think it'd be best that we are explicit in the details of that implementation which we are critiquing. That is the tendency of free software in general, as we are all responsible for how it works. From unknown Sun Jun 22 08:00:01 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#34357: Non-Emacs feeling Resent-From: Brett Gilio Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2019 22:59:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 34357 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Ulrich Windl Cc: 34357@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 34357-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B34357.154949392610374 (code B ref 34357); Wed, 06 Feb 2019 22:59:02 +0000 Received: (at 34357) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Feb 2019 22:58:46 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36338 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1grW9W-0002hG-As for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2019 17:58:46 -0500 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]:43651) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1grW9T-0002h2-Uj for 34357@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2019 17:58:44 -0500 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A95232400E5 for <34357@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 6 Feb 2019 23:58:37 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1549493917; bh=G3lijZUJkPYxh+X9w/tBwb0tZgq9LC2H+nqPHdFlCJ8=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:From; b=jr/AlMttkPZp98DYvdIFHb4izJ4s7UfiWp7ZIpxX8nk9mN0yJbhU8VwepiZ3usMpo /AA81GgHqTvSCYLEnJkun7U75jwDZAJtYmtZMVkDrIwn0uPKPwwtMuB6tjUSfk+ZSj D8FoqLC9QxK0+btxZIAqyxJtZk9MBhtKcDFl2Iwaf1UplIz+Dx8G7fv6WWNjhuq+C3 saH2lVgc+m+0WYUNmB5kZiUbsgbHcheP7xk1HX5s2z5vWmvPBbSRXxl/5EKYBodNBw xRoL1wfFVA1jxmuoGUjK55ENmQ72pu8kPykDKIwm1ygGnEqHyLdDXYaubn8vG0wu56 JR+LE1eQjnshw== Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 43vxgw4xTVz9rxG; Wed, 6 Feb 2019 23:58:36 +0100 (CET) References: <5C5B6005020000A10002F8AF@gwsmtp1.uni-regensburg.de> User-agent: mu4e 1.0; emacs 26.1 From: Brett Gilio In-reply-to: <5C5B6005020000A10002F8AF@gwsmtp1.uni-regensburg.de> Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2019 16:58:35 -0600 Message-ID: <87womcy15w.fsf@posteo.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Ulrich Windl writes: > Hi! > > This is a bug report not so much against GNU Emacs, but against the users who changed Emacs recently. To me it seems some users do not understand the spirit of Emacs when making changes. If you don't like Emacs, use another editor, but do not make Emacs like other editors! > > Two examples: > > 1: Since some versions you cannot autocomplete the buffer you are visiting any more: A typical use-case is that you want to visit the buffer you are editing in another window, like after C-x 4 b. Now you must completely type the buffer name, an absolute mis-feature! > > 2: When long lines are being displayed, mark up and down do not change the position to the next logical line (as defined by the buffer), but to the displayed line (subject to screen and font size). If you are at the beginning of a long line, and you want to move to the next line (maybe to insert something), this "change" is a nightmare. I know it can be customized, but why is the incompatible stupid setting the new default? > > I could also mention half-window vertical scrolling... > > > Regards, > Ulrich Windl To be more explicit in my last email, since this is a "bug report". What exactly are you wanting changed to "close" the bug? From unknown Sun Jun 22 08:00:01 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#34357: Antw: Re: bug#34357: Non-Emacs feeling Resent-From: "Ulrich Windl" Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2019 23:14:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 34357 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Cc: 34357@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 34357-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B34357.154949478311861 (code B ref 34357); Wed, 06 Feb 2019 23:14:02 +0000 Received: (at 34357) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Feb 2019 23:13:03 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36354 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1grWNK-00035F-T2 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2019 18:13:03 -0500 Received: from rrzmta2.uni-regensburg.de ([194.94.155.52]:51611) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1grWNI-00034j-T4 for 34357@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2019 18:13:02 -0500 Received: from rrzmta2.uni-regensburg.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 0D2FB7CD15 for <34357@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 7 Feb 2019 00:12:54 +0100 (CET) Received: from gwsmtp1.uni-regensburg.de (gwsmtp1.uni-regensburg.de [132.199.5.51]) by rrzmta2.uni-regensburg.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C2D07A9DF for <34357@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 7 Feb 2019 00:12:51 +0100 (CET) Received: from uni-regensburg-smtp1-MTA by gwsmtp1.uni-regensburg.de with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 07 Feb 2019 00:12:51 +0100 Message-Id: <5C5B69F1020000A10002F8DA@gwsmtp1.uni-regensburg.de> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 18.1.0 Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2019 00:12:49 +0100 From: "Ulrich Windl" References: <5C5B6005020000A10002F8AF@gwsmtp1.uni-regensburg.de> <87womcy15w.fsf@posteo.net> In-Reply-To: <87womcy15w.fsf@posteo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Hi! Maybe show the rationale for changing 1: and 2:. Probably even with = knowing those, I'd still want the previous behavior back. Regards, Ulrich >>> Brett Gilio 06.02.19 23.58 Uhr >>> Ulrich Windl writes: > Hi! > > This is a bug report not so much against GNU Emacs, but against the = users who changed Emacs recently. To me it seems some users do not = understand the spirit of Emacs when making changes. If you don't like = Emacs, use another editor, but do not make Emacs like other editors! > > Two examples: > > 1: Since some versions you cannot autocomplete the buffer you are = visiting any more: A typical use-case is that you want to visit the buffer = you are editing in another window, like after C-x 4 b. Now you must = completely type the buffer name, an absolute mis-feature! > > 2: When long lines are being displayed, mark up and down do not change = the position to the next logical line (as defined by the buffer), but to = the displayed line (subject to screen and font size). If you are at the = beginning of a long line, and you want to move to the next line (maybe to = insert something), this "change" is a nightmare. I know it can be = customized, but why is the incompatible stupid setting the new default? > > I could also mention half-window vertical scrolling... > > > Regards, > Ulrich Windl To be more explicit in my last email, since this is a "bug report". What exactly are you wanting changed to "close" the bug? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Feb 06 18:21:31 2019 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Feb 2019 23:21:31 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36358 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1grWVW-0003J0-Q4 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2019 18:21:30 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:34435) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1grWVU-0003Ik-SU for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2019 18:21:29 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:50040) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1grWVP-0002Tq-PI for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2019 18:21:23 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1grWVP-0000NW-Mc for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2019 18:21:23 -0500 Subject: control message for bug 34357 To: X-Mailer: mail (GNU Mailutils 2.99.98) Message-Id: From: Glenn Morris Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2019 18:21:23 -0500 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) severity 34357 wishlist tag 34357 notabug From unknown Sun Jun 22 08:00:01 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#34357: Non-Emacs feeling Resent-From: Glenn Morris Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2019 23:47:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 34357 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug To: "Ulrich Windl" Cc: 34357@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 34357-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B34357.154949680922828 (code B ref 34357); Wed, 06 Feb 2019 23:47:01 +0000 Received: (at 34357) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Feb 2019 23:46:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36363 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1grWtz-0005w7-RV for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2019 18:46:49 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:37939) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1grWtx-0005vq-Ts for 34357@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2019 18:46:46 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:50194) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1grWtr-0004BG-P7; Wed, 06 Feb 2019 18:46:39 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1grWtp-0002lx-Qo; Wed, 06 Feb 2019 18:46:37 -0500 From: Glenn Morris References: <5C5B6005020000A10002F8AF@gwsmtp1.uni-regensburg.de> X-Spook: First responder Chemical USSS AIMSX CIDA condor Domestic X-Ran: -yu\Mq2u&I%Rr4F^:4Xy;48J^usaW#FzJTzqIzoAt:zH^?t64JzD$[7HW%-m?>]Z+mi>]~ X-Hue: white X-Attribution: GM Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2019 18:46:37 -0500 In-Reply-To: <5C5B6005020000A10002F8AF@gwsmtp1.uni-regensburg.de> (Ulrich Windl's message of "Wed, 06 Feb 2019 23:30:29 +0100") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) "Ulrich Windl" wrote: > 1: Since some versions you cannot autocomplete the buffer you are > visiting any more: A typical use-case is that you want to visit the > buffer you are editing in another window, like after C-x 4 b. Now you > must completely type the buffer name, an absolute mis-feature! This is https://debbugs.gnu.org/12916 and bug#9598. You will find discussion there. > 2: When long lines are being displayed, mark up and down do not change > the position to the next logical line (as defined by the buffer), but > to the displayed line (subject to screen and font size). If you are at > the beginning of a long line, and you want to move to the next line > (maybe to insert something), this "change" is a nightmare. I know it > can be customized, but why is the incompatible stupid setting the new > default? This changed in Emacs 23.1. I'm sure if you search mailing lists you will find discussions from around that time. It was 10 years ago. With that, I'm closing this report. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Feb 06 18:47:13 2019 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Feb 2019 23:47:13 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36367 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1grWuP-0005xC-6V for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2019 18:47:13 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:38048) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1grWuM-0005wv-W6 for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2019 18:47:11 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:50197) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1grWuH-0004TJ-R9 for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2019 18:47:05 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1grWuH-0002py-On for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2019 18:47:05 -0500 Subject: control message for bug 34357 To: X-Mailer: mail (GNU Mailutils 2.99.98) Message-Id: From: Glenn Morris Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2019 18:47:05 -0500 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) close 34357 From unknown Sun Jun 22 08:00:01 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#34357: Non-Emacs feeling Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2019 23:57:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 34357 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug To: Glenn Morris , Ulrich Windl Cc: 34357@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 34357-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B34357.154949741923844 (code B ref 34357); 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Wed, 06 Feb 2019 23:56:51 +0000 Received: from aserv0122.oracle.com (aserv0122.oracle.com [141.146.126.236]) by userv0021.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id x16NuonS013376 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 6 Feb 2019 23:56:50 GMT Received: from abhmp0019.oracle.com (abhmp0019.oracle.com [141.146.116.25]) by aserv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id x16NunPx018639; Wed, 6 Feb 2019 23:56:50 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <7ff543ae-576e-41db-91ae-d3279e82a6b6@default> Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2019 23:56:48 +0000 (UTC) From: Drew Adams References: <5C5B6005020000A10002F8AF@gwsmtp1.uni-regensburg.de> In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4795.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5900 definitions=9159 signatures=668682 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 priorityscore=1501 malwarescore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1011 lowpriorityscore=0 mlxscore=0 impostorscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1810050000 definitions=main-1902060177 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > > 1: Since some versions you cannot autocomplete the buffer you are > > visiting any more: A typical use-case is that you want to visit the > > buffer you are editing in another window, like after C-x 4 b. Now you > > must completely type the buffer name, an absolute mis-feature! >=20 > This is https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps- > 3A__debbugs.gnu.org_12916&d=3DDwIBAg&c=3DRoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMU= B6 > 5eapI_JnE&r=3DkI3P6ljGv6CTHIKju0jqInF6AOwMCYRDQUmqX22rJ98&m=3DKmSwmwbI8AA= Jl > Oeq0ixSIDteKnpu_Cha09EMxTOdtl0&s=3D78IdDq_cMz2KFaVL2WvB8YLpc83ztMnbuI4HPQ > WJ--s&e=3D and bug#9598. You will find > discussion there. >=20 > > 2: When long lines are being displayed, mark up and down do not > change > > the position to the next logical line (as defined by the buffer), but > > to the displayed line (subject to screen and font size). If you are > at > > the beginning of a long line, and you want to move to the next line > > (maybe to insert something), this "change" is a nightmare. I know it > > can be customized, but why is the incompatible stupid setting the new > > default? >=20 > This changed in Emacs 23.1. I'm sure if you search mailing lists you > will find discussions from around that time. It was 10 years ago. >=20 >=20 > With that, I'm closing this report. Why not consider #1 to be an _enhancement request_ to add a user option expressing the behavior preference (i.e. whether `C-x b' offers the current buffer as one of the completion candidates). A user requests an alternate behavior - a behavior that is not difficult to realize. S?he's entitled to file an enhancement request for that. Just because Emacs currently has some behavior that does not mean that someone can't request a change to optionally allow a different behavior. And the use case presented seems reasonable. From unknown Sun Jun 22 08:00:01 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#34357: Non-Emacs feeling Resent-From: Robert Pluim Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2019 07:56:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 34357 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug To: Glenn Morris Cc: Ulrich Windl , 34357@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 34357-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B34357.154952610620467 (code B ref 34357); Thu, 07 Feb 2019 07:56:02 +0000 Received: (at 34357) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Feb 2019 07:55:06 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36519 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1greWX-0005K3-Im for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Feb 2019 02:55:05 -0500 Received: from mail-wr1-f41.google.com ([209.85.221.41]:40297) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1greWU-0005JQ-BM for 34357@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Feb 2019 02:55:03 -0500 Received: by mail-wr1-f41.google.com with SMTP id q1so418785wrp.7 for <34357@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 06 Feb 2019 23:55:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:mail-copies-to:gmane-reply-to-list :date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version; bh=FSwcaZLQvUNpB96OC58F/CPZLs0EeMT8bA+ZDMjNNvo=; b=QRVQZsL2GBLLsWvB8CsE7E5y3u6Yn74ZSC5Yr/DHH8H+5dCRbBmmSuAZpm+/qJBuIY Wmj7FOyLJ9TT7IPiM0oKQs9duvR00qW+tKFH34+PI0OScHaZ3kxs6s7Ia6LJZ0kBQtkA zd6OArqxa+VLgJ6KXQUWdG4y6ofCJN18qSY50WaR5CKOpnfsZtVsCeqtLPeQT5oKnajq fTWiuXFFkwj6TP3Hnxbi6QZqc3KpUxWgJoyoG7EzwFAILO6kkSCkxDYMKzGOvbT/IZm/ 1asrOI2E252OYV2o4IgR/5J/RK1xJq0WntcNTuiWgnfRCsy1RkHNnxXnsUitpEwt+wlL 3vNw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:mail-copies-to :gmane-reply-to-list:date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version; bh=FSwcaZLQvUNpB96OC58F/CPZLs0EeMT8bA+ZDMjNNvo=; b=h5s7ZyQWzO+lR8P0p1h/X7QBh/h1IiimBvn+4if7m0Fmd5Nf+9ZjGCsYHK88crGzI/ XhwT9tPKTl5747h65QAzREqDuJl0PFH21uVPR3VadI6KIp4OD/1kFwmnJ9yPCSoUREDG 6LVGUL6yueWZN5GH9dEwwK90CNa/VORytYdDJqS2mnOtxYBUEou3r+3NCrYsoFyjXPud orCNYsT8QEt9okx3Iy5jWirE84IYLpa7auMvgGhVpIozisAoNaVBU6pZLxjI+a5rc12c nuMgTrTRw1AmRQ6QtYCgcMPxSMpzSxVlkgo4P9jbI4JhN257kQcY7RoMM6aGCtQKPv6o yN8w== X-Gm-Message-State: AHQUAubnfKO6sH5TL0ZRVTZGI95mkPuJvg0GPkI3CgAsv7WhruyPKlA9 NzJSBOGYlbNrSjpEzGMtFg5WRFaO X-Google-Smtp-Source: AHgI3IZbehyfuti6n8O/OJZC4cQt4rWRmG8mxO7HPa8///CGzcocnxIgvEk1Jk+cMrqK3DzBfcetUA== X-Received: by 2002:adf:9067:: with SMTP id h94mr8138206wrh.129.1549526095856; Wed, 06 Feb 2019 23:54:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from rpluim-mac ([149.5.228.1]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id u10sm16470854wrr.33.2019.02.06.23.54.54 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=AEAD-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256/256); Wed, 06 Feb 2019 23:54:54 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Pluim References: <5C5B6005020000A10002F8AF@gwsmtp1.uni-regensburg.de> Mail-Copies-To: never Gmane-Reply-To-List: yes Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2019 08:54:53 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Glenn Morris's message of "Wed, 06 Feb 2019 18:46:37 -0500") Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Glenn Morris writes: > "Ulrich Windl" wrote: > >> 1: Since some versions you cannot autocomplete the buffer you are >> visiting any more: A typical use-case is that you want to visit the >> buffer you are editing in another window, like after C-x 4 b. Now you >> must completely type the buffer name, an absolute mis-feature! > > This is https://debbugs.gnu.org/12916 and bug#9598. You will find > discussion there. > I must be missing something: emacs -Q C-x C-f foo.txt C-x b foo TAB -> foo.txt RET (with latest master) Robert From unknown Sun Jun 22 08:00:01 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#34357: Non-Emacs feeling Resent-From: martin rudalics Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2019 09:22:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 34357 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug To: Robert Pluim , Glenn Morris Cc: Ulrich Windl , 34357@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 34357-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B34357.154953130728594 (code B ref 34357); Thu, 07 Feb 2019 09:22:02 +0000 Received: (at 34357) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Feb 2019 09:21:47 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36544 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1grfsQ-0007R7-Ru for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Feb 2019 04:21:47 -0500 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.20]:40661) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1grfsO-0007Qu-MN for 34357@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Feb 2019 04:21:45 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([213.162.73.172]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx103 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0Le69A-1hTyhQ2gH6-00puVU; Thu, 07 Feb 2019 10:21:36 +0100 Message-ID: <5C5BF897.1080600@gmx.at> Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2019 10:21:27 +0100 From: martin rudalics MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <5C5B6005020000A10002F8AF@gwsmtp1.uni-regensburg.de> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:gcXwVgMu7phillYhfH44HOddFQ/wfyw5h5/h5cTAjjBSNbPqa6T RgTncvOTHHrBE/iD448yy5il7t4/n4pYGWGELb2XmGOAwdZqFTyp1FtA7eFpgZaGPVTVbof co/GNFhdEJKTZf74ppTNzu+QDsceF4KTKkGUOMFJRS33Fj2TQCfVVsTGfiZ/z61phIJJPiF 5kzRS7aJI8GreOuH//sGQ== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:AiWk4IU9Xds=:5Xc12gJMA8ae2mDO1ujAd4 X7ROnGW6MC+TofNiBFQScJ6L71+A54f38qn6eg2fOK6cfLbGIPl1ojdvuy4Oghz8rHQ1kHrfn MvPzOkDAJiJovzBYU+YEnujVUJ3LCcXvN6owUloCb+2mvzPSUYS6SBqTRUyH4AOE8QMnwl1Ht CqQtfN1Xbo7+1cjXXC47SXIpc3fho+YKx1msBwiecm5dnsbuCOm8NB9T6fLFLaZY0HB9AtOTL P11qXkVkWUDhIbAX0gnx4WE+7BLwvAUZR0txIUpjw+UJHl/2gdEEulNbpTvzPK9uGc+fqg8qZ R1qqlPd9tkxbaIOe4vzat25NPn1zwn+VPaFXr+l85/HTYLcoFFDd0bdAPMwixAHt2iUKA6nnj 0qUnthCA4Ijjwf+CuMnz967++ovm/DXH0pmxLihJSm6hFGbmrOfNRo+WzIUONtodZwKT1lERK M2boW93qxHdr1lKkvjsiXOQaZZ9FQbQ4zkTbC2fF+bC3gXL9eDf7IT2enalwVoiJLfN4WqO77 6GyozSONlPWZMnx9jhLEklIZh4rRUcQHSbriW9NPVJpFUBN5Iklzr0rdJlOoJHYSNI6VPy7a3 dGTfnMe5XLxjwIb45cRYXxFrsgD08x8LUv6o24v9skZ4yEhYxpzGKx49MjYruCsMADA5IxJwW MXpQFMQGQhSKWLVakGdT7qtZ1P32QN8CEgWrDzaBwHkDHyhOOwMzsNy/3h9eBNGLexFoV8Z+E U8e1ac6IuFu/vfDpYmQBaeqb+RWaPfCTGXjlj+5cmmXCxAFUw3CHs68EVLTd5qW7ETJiijXeE pz+6zrWkc28RP+u7k/hRnSTd00evNdj8pQNmaQ0cTXYnGQ1y1PEbjBll3CTxC46uvJoUPH9ss Bl86oqqfdo8drsjgcqfYoU4r/CudQsdpRjan2ncq7yNlKIcQNxG24MSN24mQCjfkzVzCIMeo3 /rgoSYD8lwg== X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > I must be missing something: > > emacs -Q > C-x C-f foo.txt > C-x b > foo TAB -> foo.txt > RET > > (with latest master) Ulrich probably means emacs -Q C-x C-f foo.el C-x C-f foo.txt C-x b foo TAB -> foo.el TAB -> foo.el [Sole Completion] martin From unknown Sun Jun 22 08:00:01 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#34357: Non-Emacs feeling Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2019 14:49:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 34357 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug To: martin rudalics , Robert Pluim , Glenn Morris Cc: Ulrich Windl , 34357@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 34357-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B34357.15495509053344 (code B ref 34357); 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Thu, 07 Feb 2019 14:48:16 +0000 Received: from aserv0121.oracle.com (aserv0121.oracle.com [141.146.126.235]) by aserv0021.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id x17EmF0H007722 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 7 Feb 2019 14:48:15 GMT Received: from abhmp0012.oracle.com (abhmp0012.oracle.com [141.146.116.18]) by aserv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id x17EmE5K028701; Thu, 7 Feb 2019 14:48:15 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2019 06:48:13 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Adams References: <5C5B6005020000A10002F8AF@gwsmtp1.uni-regensburg.de> <5C5BF897.1080600@gmx.at> In-Reply-To: <5C5BF897.1080600@gmx.at> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4795.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5900 definitions=9159 signatures=668682 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 priorityscore=1501 malwarescore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1011 lowpriorityscore=0 mlxscore=0 impostorscore=0 mlxlogscore=665 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1810050000 definitions=main-1902070113 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > > I must be missing something: > > emacs -Q > > C-x C-f foo.txt > > C-x b > > foo TAB -> foo.txt > > RET >=20 > Ulrich probably means > emacs -Q > C-x C-f foo.el > C-x C-f foo.txt > C-x b > foo TAB -> foo.el > TAB -> foo.el [Sole Completion] Yes, I think so. Also: emacs -Q C-x b foo C-x b TAB emacs -Q C-x C-f foo.txt C-x b TAB