From unknown Sun Jun 22 00:47:38 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#34289: Mention why killed groups come back anyway next time one starts gnus Resent-From: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, bugs@gnus.org Resent-Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2019 13:32:04 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 34289 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,gnus X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 34289@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: submit@debbugs.gnu.org (The Gnus Bugfixing Girls + Boys) Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.15491142761287 (code B ref -1); Sat, 02 Feb 2019 13:32:04 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Feb 2019 13:31:16 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55566 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gpvO8-0000Kh-6F for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Feb 2019 08:31:16 -0500 Received: from ladybird.maple.relay.mailchannels.net ([23.83.214.98]:29833) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gpvO4-0000KK-Ph for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Feb 2019 08:31:13 -0500 X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D95E124D48 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2019 13:31:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a38.g.dreamhost.com (unknown [100.96.11.179]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 23530124DDF for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2019 13:31:11 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a38.g.dreamhost.com (pop.dreamhost.com [64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.16.2); Sat, 02 Feb 2019 13:31:11 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost X-Harmony-Hysterical: 79e8813d2a349c6e_1549114271243_2488966228 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1549114271243:1892698021 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1549114271242 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a38.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a38.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9ABF804F3 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2019 05:31:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to :subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; s= jidanni.org; bh=ZMG8Dv63A1p0tz0Iq0J8y+Gvt98=; b=dDFoGJILQYnsGYZW Opu9rkdFHT6pAKZHrzd338+mZ5V2IYouTqIEHAC+gBv24GkXPYiDEvzJmSbA8jfV vqrAoOccM55em5pOcG4nFRcfJKEPiNLH+FhaKwgfiT2bLvECNUSLtP6zcLAJYBSa ddKaluc+RNvcHAnOf+HDEzqHZHs= Received: from jidanni.org (220-140-1-137.dynamic-ip.hinet.net [220.140.1.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jidanni@jidanni.org) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a38.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 561BC80569 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2019 05:31:10 -0800 (PST) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a38 From: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2019 08:40:54 +0800 Message-ID: <87lg30xrvt.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-VR-OUT-STATUS: OK X-VR-OUT-SCORE: 0 X-VR-OUT-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedtledrkedtgdehgecutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucggtfgfnhhsuhgsshgtrhhisggvpdfftffgtefojffquffvnecuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecunecujfgurhephffvufffkfggtgesthdtredttddtjeenucfhrhhomhepnjjnnjcuffgrnhculfgrtghosghsohhnuceojhhiuggrnhhnihesjhhiuggrnhhnihdrohhrgheqnecuffhomhgrihhnpehjihgurghnnhhirdhorhhgnecukfhppedvvddtrddugedtrddurddufeejnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhhouggvpehsmhhtphdphhgvlhhopehjihgurghnnhhirdhorhhgpdhinhgvthepvddvtddrudegtddruddrudefjedprhgvthhurhhnqdhprghthheppeeruhhtfhdqkeerueerheeimhfphefnihehhegsveekreepucffrghnucflrggtohgsshhonhcuoehjihgurghnnhhisehjihgurghnnhhirdhorhhgqedpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehjihgurghnnhhisehjihgurghnnhhirdhorhhgpdhnrhgtphhtthhopehsuhgsmhhithesuggvsggsuhhgshdrghhnuhdrohhrghenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedt X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.4 (/) On (info "(gnus) Subscription Commands") mention why killed groups come back anyway next time one starts gnus. See also http://jidanni.org/comp/configuration/ Yes, it probably has to do with levels... OK mention that one must remove them from Mail/active too... and maybe by hand from .newsrc.eld . Gnus v5.13 GNU Emacs 26.1 (build 2, i686-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.2) of 2018-12-27, modified by Debian From unknown Sun Jun 22 00:47:38 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#34289: Mention why killed groups come back anyway next time one starts gnus Resent-From: Eric Abrahamsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, bugs@gnus.org Resent-Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2019 16:48:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 34289 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,gnus X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson Cc: 34289@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 34289-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B34289.154912607229526 (code B ref 34289); Sat, 02 Feb 2019 16:48:01 +0000 Received: (at 34289) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Feb 2019 16:47:52 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56551 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gpySN-0007g9-RZ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Feb 2019 11:47:52 -0500 Received: from mail.ericabrahamsen.net ([50.56.99.223]:59115) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gpySL-0007g0-Fw for 34289@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Feb 2019 11:47:49 -0500 Received: from localhost (71-212-20-199.tukw.qwest.net [71.212.20.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: eric@ericabrahamsen.net) by mail.ericabrahamsen.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4E9303F043; Sat, 2 Feb 2019 16:47:47 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mail.ericabrahamsen.net; s=mail; t=1549126067; bh=4XpSXDaFGB5cEqVO4MXyCZyQn/YgZxFGdlaUXIvXO0w=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=hJJixR7BtYliRjrYhgpgLbf10nmqVo/1D30lnC/5QMwAjCqXyyRw6YYwAkYHmxnnt kImbX1CI6cOvRxXUHFlXTfP+9wg92CMusPj2KlPy9L36pgtbhpBldpfW10f+yCPuWZ P7Z9bQZulRXTHY1/HvY2NHon2C9pkroWvgoQJ7g0= From: Eric Abrahamsen References: <87lg30xrvt.fsf@jidanni.org> Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2019 08:47:46 -0800 In-Reply-To: <87lg30xrvt.fsf@jidanni.org> ("=?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson"'s message of "Fri, 01 Feb 2019 08:40:54 +0800") Message-ID: <875zu2kuh9.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) =E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC Dan Jacobson writes: > On (info "(gnus) Subscription Commands") > mention why killed groups come back anyway next time one starts gnus. > See also http://jidanni.org/comp/configuration/ > Yes, it probably has to do with levels... > OK mention that one must remove them from Mail/active too... and maybe by= hand from .newsrc.eld . What mail backend is this happening with? It shouldn't be that difficult to kill groups permanently... From unknown Sun Jun 22 00:47:38 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#34289: Mention why killed groups come back anyway next time one starts gnus Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, bugs@gnus.org Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2019 13:09:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 34289 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,gnus X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson Cc: 34289@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 34289-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B34289.156120890624395 (code B ref 34289); Sat, 22 Jun 2019 13:09:01 +0000 Received: (at 34289) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Jun 2019 13:08:26 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51219 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hefko-0006LO-B0 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 22 Jun 2019 09:08:26 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]:39878) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hefkl-0006LE-RS for 34289@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 22 Jun 2019 09:08:24 -0400 Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=stories) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hefki-00068c-0s; Sat, 22 Jun 2019 15:08:22 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: <87lg30xrvt.fsf@jidanni.org> Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2019 15:08:19 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87lg30xrvt.fsf@jidanni.org> ("=?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson"'s message of "Fri, 01 Feb 2019 08:40:54 +0800") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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Content preview: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson writes: > On (info "(gnus) Subscription Commands") > mention why killed groups come back anyway next time one starts gnus. > See also http://jidanni.org/comp/configuration/ > Yes, it probably has to do with l [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) =E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC Dan Jacobson writes: > On (info "(gnus) Subscription Commands") > mention why killed groups come back anyway next time one starts gnus. > See also http://jidanni.org/comp/configuration/ > Yes, it probably has to do with levels... > OK mention that one must remove them from Mail/active too... and maybe by= hand from .newsrc.eld . No, you shouldn't have to do any of those things. Killing a group with C-k should leave them dead (on all the mainstream Gnus backends). What groups display this behaviour? --=20 (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From unknown Sun Jun 22 00:47:38 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#34289: Mention why killed groups come back anyway next time one starts gnus In-Reply-To: <87lg30xrvt.fsf@jidanni.org> Resent-From: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, bugs@gnus.org Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2019 01:11:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 34289 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,gnus X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Cc: 34289@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 34289-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B34289.15612522273700 (code B ref 34289); Sun, 23 Jun 2019 01:11:02 +0000 Received: (at 34289) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Jun 2019 01:10:27 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52753 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1her1U-0000xZ-B3 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 22 Jun 2019 21:10:24 -0400 Received: from bongo.elm.relay.mailchannels.net ([23.83.212.21]:60340) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1her1S-0000xR-ML for 34289@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 22 Jun 2019 21:10:23 -0400 X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 720BC5015C5; Sun, 23 Jun 2019 01:10:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a36.g.dreamhost.com (100-96-14-97.trex.outbound.svc.cluster.local [100.96.14.97]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id C164F500F56; Sun, 23 Jun 2019 01:10:20 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a36.g.dreamhost.com ([TEMPUNAVAIL]. [64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.17.2); Sun, 23 Jun 2019 01:10:21 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost X-Harmony-Whimsical: 5d6774cc0350a06e_1561252221235_1513183026 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1561252221235:1219368495 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1561252221235 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a36.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a36.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CF41839B1; Sat, 22 Jun 2019 18:10:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; s=jidanni.org; bh=EJFoUF+NcknQ9LDgX/ OK3oRZe5g=; b=KIvE6Wdxv1iuGc7l/P3/X3XNsqKV5VAidvDv4Yj40s4subEBXX DmWIl50TNRs44Yj8h6HXmTfEA0/+QMEv4HNiOgNdM3ULe+0nZdfqBjWfdFPW1GxC TTi+GwP/YyEWmLKhp7NAUwFh1KyDUg92duHvrTiOEKWB800BTzjre3DyA= Received: from jidanni.org (114-46-59-194.dynamic-ip.hinet.net [114.46.59.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jidanni@jidanni.org) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a36.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 709CE839B0; Sat, 22 Jun 2019 18:10:14 -0700 (PDT) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a36 From: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson References: <87lg30xrvt.fsf@jidanni.org> Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2019 09:10:11 +0800 Message-ID: <8736k1cdjg.2.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-VR-OUT-STATUS: OK X-VR-OUT-SCORE: -100 X-VR-OUT-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduvddrtdelgdegudcutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucggtfgfnhhsuhgsshgtrhhisggvpdfftffgtefojffquffvnecuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmdenucfjughrpefhvffufhffkfggtgfgsehtkeertddttdejnecuhfhrohhmpejnnjjnucffrghnucflrggtohgsshhonhcuoehjihgurghnnhhisehjihgurghnnhhirdhorhhgqeenucffohhmrghinhepvghlugdrlhhipdhjihgurghnnhhirdhorhhgnecukfhppeduudegrdegiedrheelrdduleegnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhhouggvpehsmhhtphdphhgvlhhopehjihgurghnnhhirdhorhhgpdhinhgvthepuddugedrgeeirdehledrudelgedprhgvthhurhhnqdhprghthheppeeruhhtfhdqkeerueerheeimhfphefnihehhegsveekreepucffrghnucflrggtohgsshhonhcuoehjihgurghnnhhisehjihgurghnnhhirdhorhhgqedpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehjihgurghnnhhisehjihgurghnnhhirdhorhhgpdhnrhgtphhtthhopeefgedvkeelseguvggssghughhsrdhgnhhurdhorhhgnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptd Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) >>>>> "LI" =3D=3D Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: LI> =E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC Dan Jacobson writes= : >> On (info "(gnus) Subscription Commands") >> mention why killed groups come back anyway next time one starts gnus. >> See also http://jidanni.org/comp/configuration/ >> Yes, it probably has to do with levels... >> OK mention that one must remove them from Mail/active too... and maybe= by hand from .newsrc.eld . LI> No, you shouldn't have to do any of those things. Killing a group wi= th LI> C-k should leave them dead (on all the mainstream Gnus backends). LI> What groups display this behaviour? All I remember is I only use mail groups and no usenet groups. From unknown Sun Jun 22 00:47:38 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#34289: Mention why killed groups come back anyway next time one starts gnus Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, bugs@gnus.org Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2019 12:31:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 34289 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,gnus X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson Cc: 34289@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 34289-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B34289.15612930313530 (code B ref 34289); Sun, 23 Jun 2019 12:31:01 +0000 Received: (at 34289) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Jun 2019 12:30:31 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53005 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hf1df-0000uf-3c for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 23 Jun 2019 08:30:31 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]:40134) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hf1dd-0000rM-3H for 34289@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 23 Jun 2019 08:30:29 -0400 Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=stories) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hf1dX-0005zh-VO; Sun, 23 Jun 2019 14:30:27 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: <87lg30xrvt.fsf@jidanni.org> <8736k1cdjg.2.fsf@jidanni.org> Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAGFBMVEX89eny2brdwaJqQCST ZDomFQq3hVLNp3oYgMsHAAACVUlEQVQ4jXXUsXKjMBAGYOxL4taiMK3RZEyfFXZ7k5XxA2AlbcYS UssBg17/Vgic5G6iGRfWp38FiyBJfhrrkbOMc8a5LwrvvfMj/fg+2RhPUMgwMVoaKCVWvk3WuiBo atELTXMAoAEuBBujpeRlqRowoAVoLcwA4iPZ4AQD9A2I3sBZY4+DoITWIPhQHfsejz1SKexBHttk tcvC5vY0DqMsKn8zl1NVyQ+ClO14YS7hcnmXciNeBODvGbypOM8ya8fiMEpjqnaCbLR47YriIAX2 A0pEMZVKdtbWr/KWpTlnLOX84GxMHKx9E/I1szxn22TFaOwnoFYAypc0TSmxJUhnMEeLDQbIWbb/ TGQEZyBgAdrtHXYEDeKJKuUs3X7CQVe2OeO7913OGD2jGbKxrKwu8eoWWC2AttJlWV9mWN0T2shG lVfn/JdS612WSWtKVcpxglUeNt8mmzFj1jZKXe1wHGly3a4meLIuH8xZKVWPLkCyT2awzmuaV5X3 EeLmT3Y6MwThSP0h2MY9HqSsSAzWATqWb5N4578ASCSZC0Bnkt0BhJQxZ72PUESgIxPVTCu69Lls ZwAoVR2yMBUA2CeP4T+or4Nm3pdSpfo+bgTif6gdvR9PAj9L1SKsOHJOQDeIYpqUjprzTN3kC8hK XRtqVXfwvgD1mt9BqrcAjt5Bjqd8SWAArRwtJyjycEjnBE4JS4nYq3sCQyI0qvsGcoFuBv4vxETc o00eYC4VOkufADddFA/dxbkhNcjwvLoF5jZdpYjPyroIj2GWMnH5Xdofv0p/AeFwBBYh7n1LAAAA AElFTkSuQmCC Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2019 14:30:23 +0200 In-Reply-To: <8736k1cdjg.2.fsf@jidanni.org> ("=?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson"'s message of "Sun, 23 Jun 2019 09:10:11 +0800") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson writes: > LI> No, you shouldn't have to do any of those things. Killing a group with > LI> C-k should leave them dead (on all the mainstream Gnus backends). > > LI> What groups display this behaviour? > > All [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) =E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC Dan Jacobson writes: > LI> No, you shouldn't have to do any of those things. Killing a group wi= th > LI> C-k should leave them dead (on all the mainstream Gnus backends). > > LI> What groups display this behaviour? > > All I remember is I only use mail groups and no usenet groups. And if you kill a group, it comes back the next time you start Gnus? Have you set `gnus-save-killed-list' to nil? --=20 (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From unknown Sun Jun 22 00:47:38 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#34289: Mention why killed groups come back anyway next time one starts gnus In-Reply-To: <87lg30xrvt.fsf@jidanni.org> Resent-From: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, bugs@gnus.org Resent-Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2019 15:06:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 34289 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,gnus X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Cc: 34289@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 34289-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B34289.156268473222495 (code B ref 34289); Tue, 09 Jul 2019 15:06:01 +0000 Received: (at 34289) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Jul 2019 15:05:32 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33724 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hkrgS-0005ql-7f for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Jul 2019 11:05:32 -0400 Received: from chocolate.birch.relay.mailchannels.net ([23.83.209.35]:40350) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hkrgQ-0005qd-4C for 34289@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Jul 2019 11:05:30 -0400 X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 421791A2768; Tue, 9 Jul 2019 15:05:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a18.g.dreamhost.com (100-96-4-176.trex.outbound.svc.cluster.local [100.96.4.176]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 95DFD1A23B6; Tue, 9 Jul 2019 15:05:27 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a18.g.dreamhost.com ([TEMPUNAVAIL]. [64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.17.3); Tue, 09 Jul 2019 15:05:28 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost X-Abiding-Vacuous: 23bd521402f6a63c_1562684728062_3889295033 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1562684728062:847628275 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1562684728062 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a18.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a18.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6473083769; Tue, 9 Jul 2019 08:05:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; s=jidanni.org; bh=6x1UPeCi/EixWA4eIt JotMpLWI0=; b=O4jWJErx+kMX+ONbnJIMVb/7N74ugy5G+98+a1Fjr5pOKuaPpO ognLgDG+IDcS17qXPek6oI7izU/uauNqkM6VBMveIMcQU7XG9uMPd1HI95jbL9iD re/dxrA43fKS3Cs2uYqvVB9O+Vc001l6LF/cIRUzkbhIOalneJb91cVPg= Received: from jidanni.org (111-246-99-103.dynamic-ip.hinet.net [111.246.99.103]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jidanni@jidanni.org) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a18.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C8AC283765; Tue, 9 Jul 2019 08:05:21 -0700 (PDT) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a18 From: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson References: <87lg30xrvt.fsf@jidanni.org> <8736k1cdjg.2.fsf@jidanni.org> Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2019 23:05:17 +0800 Message-ID: <87zhlntfiq.5.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-VR-OUT-STATUS: OK X-VR-OUT-SCORE: -100 X-VR-OUT-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduvddrgedvgdekkecutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucggtfgfnhhsuhgsshgtrhhisggvpdfftffgtefojffquffvnecuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmdenucfjughrpefhvffufhffkfggtgfgsehtkeertddttdejnecuhfhrohhmpejnnjjnucffrghnucflrggtohgsshhonhcuoehjihgurghnnhhisehjihgurghnnhhirdhorhhgqeenucfkphepudduuddrvdegiedrleelrddutdefnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhhouggvpehsmhhtphdphhgvlhhopehjihgurghnnhhirdhorhhgpdhinhgvthepudduuddrvdegiedrleelrddutdefpdhrvghtuhhrnhdqphgrthhhpeeprehuthhfqdekreeureehiehmpfehnfhiheehsgevkeerpecuffgrnhculfgrtghosghsohhnuceojhhiuggrnhhnihesjhhiuggrnhhnihdrohhrgheqpdhmrghilhhfrhhomhepjhhiuggrnhhnihesjhhiuggrnhhnihdrohhrghdpnhhrtghpthhtohepfeegvdekleesuggvsggsuhhgshdrghhnuhdrohhrghenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedt Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) >>>>> "LI" =3D=3D Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: LI> And if you kill a group, it comes back the next time you start Gnus? LI> Have you set `gnus-save-killed-list' to nil? !gnus-save-killed-list is a variable defined in =E2=80=98gnus-start.el=E2= =80=99. !Its value is nil !Original value was t !You should always set =E2=80=98gnus-check-new-newsgroups=E2=80=99 to =E2= =80=98ask-server=E2=80=99...(yes) From unknown Sun Jun 22 00:47:38 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#34289: Mention why killed groups come back anyway next time one starts gnus Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, bugs@gnus.org Resent-Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2019 15:19:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 34289 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,gnus X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson Cc: 34289@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 34289-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B34289.156268553132214 (code B ref 34289); Tue, 09 Jul 2019 15:19:01 +0000 Received: (at 34289) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Jul 2019 15:18:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33778 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hkrtL-0008NW-0a for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Jul 2019 11:18:51 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]:47798) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hkrtJ-0008NN-9w for 34289@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Jul 2019 11:18:49 -0400 Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=stories) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hkrtE-0006WA-Sh; Tue, 09 Jul 2019 17:18:48 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: <87lg30xrvt.fsf@jidanni.org> <8736k1cdjg.2.fsf@jidanni.org> <87zhlntfiq.5.fsf@jidanni.org> Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAD1BMVEVbSk4WCQ00IykkFhtF MjcvCCv0AAACPklEQVQ4jW1U0ZUjMQhzJjTg+ArIYhowTAE+L/3XdJJ9ebcf532bZCxAIJGU8v8j 5VEt8VZK5tyvPMsI5OR9Ucu/twwhMJOAdFcewkid5dnm/nSF8/bULzLL5WUlLq5Q3Sw8KbhQQVUU BWN+OuLHy1N1IfRwEpNUA0csVwPZnJJ/W0bRLM96gxSRuD5tSJrNDSy1a9/maQrxmOBZX0tTzmxM FDQ9d0ZLTds6bP5lxkHKc4BkQ+sIwoQNRH3Z0nUflVbs+5OBWmpGSltQbHfAOWpbCp3QQgYE++hy AVAA3lEwzqxo7XCkUhfrEXrM4UTgAIDortHCD7Osf4BHjIZKbzInVD3AAlBr9E0tQgkelZqwVB1x LIRsUwn8AoCuGrnpCQwoH4ATNpp7/J7yA1AAjjbFSsKrH0C47QV5Y8Q0Atahh3o4LqbIxN8i0Kz7 Soz9hqswviyIvQHI0Vd4oLgxvHRUBoA63rWDQghgOK5qebyQ6ZjZOeVZaiaUB52AsNpvIBAJwiWB 5zecsPC73wwGDzMhpTgEz94sbiQI9zNXRwf4XsDn3mCr7ZmX0ybBtt+AQF19cbsQ+GZj5Ur9AoAx /PTkUOZSx38MDx3aOpc8v1BSeo9yYa/cgbaBjaT13LoI7O6IqAGD3+gE+Z6IB/CoQbthMNxOALcg cgOvPiqW7r3NiJZXbWMDzRE/XuNGE5ASq1lHI1CdW3l+Hva2ld/1ADxOnfDdKcKnUT8AbP0OTG7y vR8/GVypL8S1pnjY0B/uuJ4Lq2IKKgAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2019 17:18:44 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87zhlntfiq.5.fsf@jidanni.org> ("=?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson"'s message of "Tue, 09 Jul 2019 23:05:17 +0800") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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Content preview: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson writes: >>>>>> "LI" == Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > > LI> And if you kill a group, it comes back the next time you start Gnus? > LI> Have you set `gnus-save-killed-list' to nil? > > !gnus-save [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) =E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC Dan Jacobson writes: >>>>>> "LI" =3D=3D Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > > LI> And if you kill a group, it comes back the next time you start Gnus? > LI> Have you set `gnus-save-killed-list' to nil? > > !gnus-save-killed-list is a variable defined in =E2=80=98gnus-start.el=E2= =80=99. > !Its value is nil > !Original value was t > !You should always set =E2=80=98gnus-check-new-newsgroups=E2=80=99 to =E2= =80=98ask-server=E2=80=99...(yes) Then this isn't a bug; if you don't save the killed list the groups will come back (unless you a bunch of other settings). --=20 (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jul 09 11:19:07 2019 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Jul 2019 15:19:07 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33783 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hkrtb-0008Oe-91 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Jul 2019 11:19:07 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]:47818) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hkrtX-0008OQ-9i for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Jul 2019 11:19:06 -0400 Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=stories) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hkrtU-0006WJ-Qg for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Jul 2019 17:19:02 +0200 Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2019 17:19:00 +0200 Message-Id: To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #34289 X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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Content preview: tags 34289 notabug close 34289 quit Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) tags 34289 notabug close 34289 quit From unknown Sun Jun 22 00:47:38 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#34289: Mention why killed groups come back anyway next time one starts gnus In-Reply-To: <87lg30xrvt.fsf@jidanni.org> Resent-From: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, bugs@gnus.org Resent-Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2019 15:37:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 34289 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,gnus X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Cc: 34289@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 34289-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B34289.15626865679723 (code B ref 34289); Tue, 09 Jul 2019 15:37:02 +0000 Received: (at 34289) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Jul 2019 15:36:07 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33814 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hksA3-0002Wl-AV for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Jul 2019 11:36:07 -0400 Received: from bumble.birch.relay.mailchannels.net ([23.83.209.25]:61165) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hksA1-0002Wb-Gk for 34289@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Jul 2019 11:36:06 -0400 X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DD082C0C6D; Tue, 9 Jul 2019 15:36:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a18.g.dreamhost.com (100-96-1-102.trex.outbound.svc.cluster.local [100.96.1.102]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 6D1412C36CB; Tue, 9 Jul 2019 15:36:03 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a18.g.dreamhost.com ([TEMPUNAVAIL]. [64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.17.3); Tue, 09 Jul 2019 15:36:04 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost X-Robust-Lyrical: 0c000d50366e3d89_1562686563880_2793643370 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1562686563880:4220194589 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1562686563879 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a18.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a18.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 325588375D; Tue, 9 Jul 2019 08:35:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; s=jidanni.org; bh=QFKwllExjiqj9uTzqtVzFs7HCMM=; b=S7lHlrbSnga0J zo+eMZ/YRXa/043UdQ/herRmUcSbMd3kMl0TmPjewx3vSkmDf7n1CwSV3702OMJr m6dWOAPVWJR8n7Q8OXxyI095ZsVq8t0sG6V92AP/EIgur1nz8d10/pxMd8VyQZ4+ TSHQYLboCGD6NB+Q9jRv0FrpiEGU9Q= Received: from jidanni.org (111-246-99-103.dynamic-ip.hinet.net [111.246.99.103]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jidanni@jidanni.org) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a18.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5278583764; Tue, 9 Jul 2019 08:35:57 -0700 (PDT) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a18 From: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson References: <87lg30xrvt.fsf@jidanni.org> <8736k1cdjg.2.fsf@jidanni.org> <87zhlntfiq.5.fsf@jidanni.org> Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2019 23:35:53 +0800 Message-ID: <87lfx7w78m.5.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-VR-OUT-STATUS: OK X-VR-OUT-SCORE: -100 X-VR-OUT-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduvddrgedvgdelgecutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucggtfgfnhhsuhgsshgtrhhisggvpdfftffgtefojffquffvnecuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmdenucfjughrpefhvffufhffkfggtgesthdtredttddtjeenucfhrhhomhepnjjnnjcuffgrnhculfgrtghosghsohhnuceojhhiuggrnhhnihesjhhiuggrnhhnihdrohhrgheqnecukfhppeduuddurddvgeeirdelledruddtfeenucfrrghrrghmpehmohguvgepshhmthhppdhhvghlohepjhhiuggrnhhnihdrohhrghdpihhnvghtpeduuddurddvgeeirdelledruddtfedprhgvthhurhhnqdhprghthheppeeruhhtfhdqkeerueerheeimhfphefnihehhegsveekreepucffrghnucflrggtohgsshhonhcuoehjihgurghnnhhisehjihgurghnnhhirdhorhhgqedpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehjihgurghnnhhisehjihgurghnnhhirdhorhhgpdhnrhgtphhtthhopeefgedvkeelseguvggssghughhsrdhgnhhurdhorhhgnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptd X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) >>>>> "LI" == Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: LI> Then this isn't a bug; if you don't save the killed list the groups will LI> come back (unless you a bunch of other settings). OK then gnus-save-killed-list docstring should warn about that and say how to get rid of groups forever for real. From unknown Sun Jun 22 00:47:38 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#34289: Mention why killed groups come back anyway next time one starts gnus Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, bugs@gnus.org Resent-Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2019 15:43:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 34289 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,gnus X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug To: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson Cc: 34289@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 34289-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B34289.156268693710361 (code B ref 34289); Tue, 09 Jul 2019 15:43:02 +0000 Received: (at 34289) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Jul 2019 15:42:17 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33837 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hksG1-0002h3-BR for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Jul 2019 11:42:17 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]:48268) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hksFz-0002gv-CC for 34289@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Jul 2019 11:42:15 -0400 Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=stories) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hksFu-0006jd-D1; Tue, 09 Jul 2019 17:42:14 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: <87lg30xrvt.fsf@jidanni.org> <8736k1cdjg.2.fsf@jidanni.org> <87zhlntfiq.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87lfx7w78m.5.fsf@jidanni.org> Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAD1BMVEVbSk4WCQ00IykkFhtF MjcvCCv0AAACPklEQVQ4jW1U0ZUjMQhzJjTg+ArIYhowTAE+L/3XdJJ9ebcf532bZCxAIJGU8v8j 5VEt8VZK5tyvPMsI5OR9Ucu/twwhMJOAdFcewkid5dnm/nSF8/bULzLL5WUlLq5Q3Sw8KbhQQVUU BWN+OuLHy1N1IfRwEpNUA0csVwPZnJJ/W0bRLM96gxSRuD5tSJrNDSy1a9/maQrxmOBZX0tTzmxM FDQ9d0ZLTds6bP5lxkHKc4BkQ+sIwoQNRH3Z0nUflVbs+5OBWmpGSltQbHfAOWpbCp3QQgYE++hy AVAA3lEwzqxo7XCkUhfrEXrM4UTgAIDortHCD7Osf4BHjIZKbzInVD3AAlBr9E0tQgkelZqwVB1x LIRsUwn8AoCuGrnpCQwoH4ATNpp7/J7yA1AAjjbFSsKrH0C47QV5Y8Q0Atahh3o4LqbIxN8i0Kz7 Soz9hqswviyIvQHI0Vd4oLgxvHRUBoA63rWDQghgOK5qebyQ6ZjZOeVZaiaUB52AsNpvIBAJwiWB 5zecsPC73wwGDzMhpTgEz94sbiQI9zNXRwf4XsDn3mCr7ZmX0ybBtt+AQF19cbsQ+GZj5Ur9AoAx /PTkUOZSx38MDx3aOpc8v1BSeo9yYa/cgbaBjaT13LoI7O6IqAGD3+gE+Z6IB/CoQbthMNxOALcg cgOvPiqW7r3NiJZXbWMDzRE/XuNGE5ASq1lHI1CdW3l+Hva2ld/1ADxOnfDdKcKnUT8AbP0OTG7y vR8/GVypL8S1pnjY0B/uuJ4Lq2IKKgAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2019 17:42:10 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87lfx7w78m.5.fsf@jidanni.org> ("=?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson"'s message of "Tue, 09 Jul 2019 23:35:53 +0800") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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Content preview: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson writes: >>>>>> "LI" == Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > > LI> Then this isn't a bug; if you don't save the killed list the groups will > LI> come back (unless you a bunch of other settings). > > O [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) =E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC Dan Jacobson writes: >>>>>> "LI" =3D=3D Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > > LI> Then this isn't a bug; if you don't save the killed list the groups w= ill > LI> come back (unless you a bunch of other settings). > > OK then gnus-save-killed-list docstring should warn about that and say > how to get > rid of groups forever for real. I think the doc string warns about that. And there's no way to get rid of groups forever for real; that's not how NNTP works. --=20 (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From unknown Sun Jun 22 00:47:38 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#34289: Mention why killed groups come back anyway next time one starts gnus In-Reply-To: <87lg30xrvt.fsf@jidanni.org> Resent-From: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, bugs@gnus.org Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2019 01:24:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 34289 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,gnus X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Cc: 34289@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 34289-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B34289.156280819631890 (code B ref 34289); Thu, 11 Jul 2019 01:24:03 +0000 Received: (at 34289) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Jul 2019 01:23:16 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36841 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hlNno-0008IH-A5 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 10 Jul 2019 21:23:16 -0400 Received: from bird.elm.relay.mailchannels.net ([23.83.212.17]:40674) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hlNnk-0008I5-Aq for 34289@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 10 Jul 2019 21:23:14 -0400 X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FE176A22C3; Thu, 11 Jul 2019 01:23:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a96.g.dreamhost.com (100-96-1-113.trex.outbound.svc.cluster.local [100.96.1.113]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 9F9C46A2285; Thu, 11 Jul 2019 01:23:09 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a96.g.dreamhost.com ([TEMPUNAVAIL]. 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And there's no way to get rid LI> of groups forever for real; that's not how NNTP works. I was using only various mailboxes / folders, not NNTP. From unknown Sun Jun 22 00:47:38 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#34289: Mention why killed groups come back anyway next time one starts gnus Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, bugs@gnus.org Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2019 14:09:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 34289 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,gnus X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug To: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson Cc: 34289@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 34289-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B34289.15628541077060 (code B ref 34289); Thu, 11 Jul 2019 14:09:02 +0000 Received: (at 34289) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Jul 2019 14:08:27 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38297 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hlZkI-0001po-TQ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 11 Jul 2019 10:08:27 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]:55698) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hlZkH-0001pg-6X for 34289@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 11 Jul 2019 10:08:25 -0400 Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=stories) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hlZkE-0004Hu-A8; Thu, 11 Jul 2019 16:08:24 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: <87lg30xrvt.fsf@jidanni.org> <8736k1cdjg.2.fsf@jidanni.org> <87zhlntfiq.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87lfx7w78m.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87ftndxw4n.5.fsf@jidanni.org> Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAFVBMVEUTBw9zPz9SJy0xFR0B AAPQiX8FAQaWYcGaAAACbklEQVQ4jVWTTY/aMBCGB4x8xo5yx7a25+Dp7hm1lu9hlbt3ieb//4S+ 4wTaWsBhHt75HlpFpBa8Kv89KiLry77Wf0G3l0piG63d+LED9XRjvKOz8oDR7q4UGJNyuvqLbTC2 Dmqzp1JiZs4x+omsNKW0FrnYUthw9j56lyyRPUsjKVCuQpxydM47Z8mazw5WzZLgCv8H+iA5GkKC pUipJzLMYXb3GD+aHOgJyto4xHFZFp9RxIGaBn+spa6P7JyC2V1e4AhgTdjA4s9WDkbU1eFU6o/j bl/8QHKYNvCz3C7XF/AAbHfF7ePdhQ3McZJDEtLgyEuCD8sG+Gy/tHxElnWtzucwziNUPNjv2F1h FmuNSQtMCDUB8A7gKzO6fs8hBgKgJ6jEPPF1Di57wkxaB/WB5mY0t4e/mz6RHvz7JBUdcUgJn4uZ 5DF1cFSAlLZ0BzPI46LgZlapvNe3zGeA73NXNDlVfkrmMwrZFFph5TS6613BhSeE7grCBpkhOI4A w8QT7cBCYSJqU18Dv0DRrXz4nHsd6QlkA0fHqBwhpico5TfpVl6Zx2UePf919UsBpsZvWIWEjXwq bjuY3pc5aPcTzAZAOvhKiOFCigBwxrTFlnY4GzQypGuKA4DRbe+XZT4p+wjgHRJQsJ1d835C3JAC QEx/FS1h3Tk6gOBi5A00K1h2Y3JwcAXgBu5A04OcgvObwjnNqjYcB84JFShAmyOUGpxID9Mlxj3h q+NX0NRRQtO9hgCIbzN+CP9HnR1EN8foFv+mq01Nu8mJI96oZzsPOhdPOabJoHWwB3UexvtVR09R TQpQnb443nX0yx+sc/ADNfhj2wAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2019 16:08:22 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87ftndxw4n.5.fsf@jidanni.org> ("=?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson"'s message of "Thu, 11 Jul 2019 08:17:28 +0800") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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If you want to delete an IMAP mail box, you delete it on the server. --=20 (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From unknown Sun Jun 22 00:47:38 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#34289: Mention why killed groups come back anyway next time one starts gnus In-Reply-To: <87lg30xrvt.fsf@jidanni.org> Resent-From: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, bugs@gnus.org Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2019 19:09:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 34289 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,gnus X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Cc: 34289@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 34289-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B34289.156287210718261 (code B ref 34289); Thu, 11 Jul 2019 19:09:02 +0000 Received: (at 34289) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Jul 2019 19:08:27 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38643 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hleQc-0004kQ-Na for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 11 Jul 2019 15:08:27 -0400 Received: from anteater.elm.relay.mailchannels.net ([23.83.212.3]:23655) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hleQa-0004k1-6L for 34289@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 11 Jul 2019 15:08:25 -0400 X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 057836A3227; Thu, 11 Jul 2019 19:08:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a10.g.dreamhost.com (100-96-92-226.trex.outbound.svc.cluster.local [100.96.92.226]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 708506A31E4; Thu, 11 Jul 2019 19:08:22 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a10.g.dreamhost.com ([TEMPUNAVAIL]. [64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.17.3); Thu, 11 Jul 2019 19:08:22 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost X-Turn-Macabre: 74ed47763ec3b9be_1562872102722_668574382 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1562872102722:2457841149 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1562872102722 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a10.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a10.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B2A77F65C; Thu, 11 Jul 2019 12:08:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; s=jidanni.org; bh=ZpB1BScI2ngKK+lAWsD8ZkWDlds=; b=AZv/8BdkUNmWd PrZyMaqFlfAClFedWISoJuBJR+It86YiQz0uwtfafa5fwfgPmEeXWB5t3vo3IKlt zcdaV9fKdnKouuoOj4afb27PXYye03u+JGxqmz0EuSOjowBGB1iWmOxgz8cf3QcQ tfQKOHTC3HUGzT+d0h5hpWHoN+D17k= Received: from jidanni.org (114-41-4-179.dynamic-ip.hinet.net [114.41.4.179]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jidanni@jidanni.org) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a10.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D8CC77F65F; Thu, 11 Jul 2019 12:08:15 -0700 (PDT) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a10 From: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson References: <87lg30xrvt.fsf@jidanni.org> <8736k1cdjg.2.fsf@jidanni.org> <87zhlntfiq.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87lfx7w78m.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87ftndxw4n.5.fsf@jidanni.org> Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2019 03:08:12 +0800 Message-ID: <871rywcrtv.5.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-VR-OUT-STATUS: OK X-VR-OUT-SCORE: -100 X-VR-OUT-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduvddrgeekgddufeehucetufdoteggodetrfdotffvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuggftfghnshhusghstghrihgsvgdpffftgfetoffjqffuvfenuceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmnecujfgurhephffvufhffffkgggtsehttdertddttdejnecuhfhrohhmpejnnjjnucffrghnucflrggtohgsshhonhcuoehjihgurghnnhhisehjihgurghnnhhirdhorhhgqeenucfkphepuddugedrgedurdegrddujeelnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhhouggvpehsmhhtphdphhgvlhhopehjihgurghnnhhirdhorhhgpdhinhgvthepuddugedrgedurdegrddujeelpdhrvghtuhhrnhdqphgrthhhpeeprehuthhfqdekreeureehiehmpfehnfhiheehsgevkeerpecuffgrnhculfgrtghosghsohhnuceojhhiuggrnhhnihesjhhiuggrnhhnihdrohhrgheqpdhmrghilhhfrhhomhepjhhiuggrnhhnihesjhhiuggrnhhnihdrohhrghdpnhhrtghpthhtohepfeegvdekleesuggvsggsuhhgshdrghhnuhdrohhrghenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedt X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) LI> If you want to delete an IMAP mail box, you delete it on the server. I recall I had split up my mail via .procmailrc into various local file mailboxes, and then told gnus where they were. I long ago removed those files, and tried my best to get gnus to forget them completely... From unknown Sun Jun 22 00:47:38 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#34289: Mention why killed groups come back anyway next time one starts gnus Resent-From: Eric Abrahamsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, bugs@gnus.org Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2019 20:35:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 34289 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,gnus X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug To: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , 34289@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 34289-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B34289.156287730227710 (code B ref 34289); Thu, 11 Jul 2019 20:35:03 +0000 Received: (at 34289) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Jul 2019 20:35:02 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38789 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hlfmQ-0007Cp-13 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 11 Jul 2019 16:35:02 -0400 Received: from ericabrahamsen.net ([52.70.2.18]:35706 helo=mail.ericabrahamsen.net) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hlfmN-0007CU-Tc for 34289@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 11 Jul 2019 16:35:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (unknown [205.175.106.185]) (Authenticated sender: eric@ericabrahamsen.net) by mail.ericabrahamsen.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7F236FA01E; Thu, 11 Jul 2019 20:34:53 +0000 (UTC) From: Eric Abrahamsen References: <87lg30xrvt.fsf@jidanni.org> <8736k1cdjg.2.fsf@jidanni.org> <87zhlntfiq.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87lfx7w78m.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87ftndxw4n.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <871rywcrtv.5.fsf@jidanni.org> Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2019 13:34:51 -0700 In-Reply-To: <871rywcrtv.5.fsf@jidanni.org> ("=?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson"'s message of "Fri, 12 Jul 2019 03:08:12 +0800") Message-ID: <87ftnctims.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) =E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC Dan Jacobson writes: > LI> If you want to delete an IMAP mail box, you delete it on the server. > > I recall I had split up my mail via .procmailrc into various local file > mailboxes, and then told gnus where they were. > > I long ago removed those files, and tried my best to get gnus to forget > them completely... If you're dealing with local mailboxes, you should be able to to "C-u G " on the group to actually remove the group from your filesystem. If you've already deleted the directory from your filesystem... I don't know why it would be coming back. A simple "C-k" is enough to unsubscribe you, and if the directories don't exist at all anymore, Gnus shouldn't resurrect them. Were these groups on nnml, nnmaildir, nn?... Eric From unknown Sun Jun 22 00:47:38 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#34289: Mention why killed groups come back anyway next time one starts gnus In-Reply-To: <87lg30xrvt.fsf@jidanni.org> Resent-From: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, bugs@gnus.org Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2019 23:02:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 34289 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,gnus X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug To: Eric Abrahamsen Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , 34289@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 34289-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B34289.15630588884834 (code B ref 34289); Sat, 13 Jul 2019 23:02:02 +0000 Received: (at 34289) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Jul 2019 23:01:28 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43578 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hmR1E-0001Ft-AQ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 13 Jul 2019 19:01:28 -0400 Received: from dog.birch.relay.mailchannels.net ([23.83.209.48]:15162) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hmR1C-0001Fj-BS for 34289@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 13 Jul 2019 19:01:27 -0400 X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0741E2C2391; Sat, 13 Jul 2019 23:01:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a44.g.dreamhost.com (100-96-38-48.trex.outbound.svc.cluster.local [100.96.38.48]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 794AE2C226D; Sat, 13 Jul 2019 23:01:24 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a44.g.dreamhost.com ([TEMPUNAVAIL]. [64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.17.3); Sat, 13 Jul 2019 23:01:24 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost X-Illustrious-White: 06a523673edaa3e2_1563058884844_3734526408 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1563058884844:2944060308 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1563058884844 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a44.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a44.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91D948221F; Sat, 13 Jul 2019 16:01:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; s=jidanni.org; bh=728o5rZdGQK3g1vHDM9O7WfiCg0=; b=IzwmtaJ2WnPA2 sNYO6opdu9eU5QAXI2jEGYeCVIYNGPtSDPFOQDTtY0i+09mE4cTCnVzfJ/jk3mnn GkHVKCaWcRUY1FG4UFMKzco8u+ovQrrnq1ZmMCCzuTr7AxpYaTFtTbiZD4rUfAQr gRZVme1P1teuninMyOPr9tG7VEaC7k= Received: from jidanni.org (1-170-84-250.dynamic-ip.hinet.net [1.170.84.250]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jidanni@jidanni.org) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a44.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6BF8582225; Sat, 13 Jul 2019 16:01:19 -0700 (PDT) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a44 From: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson References: <87lg30xrvt.fsf@jidanni.org> <8736k1cdjg.2.fsf@jidanni.org> <87zhlntfiq.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87lfx7w78m.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87ftndxw4n.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <871rywcrtv.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87ftnctims.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 06:53:13 +0800 Message-ID: <87sgr9wnqe.5.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-VR-OUT-STATUS: OK X-VR-OUT-SCORE: -100 X-VR-OUT-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduvddrheeggddtvdcutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucggtfgfnhhsuhgsshgtrhhisggvpdfftffgtefojffquffvnecuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmdenucfjughrpefhvffufhffkfggtgesthdtredttddtjeenucfhrhhomhepnjjnnjcuffgrnhculfgrtghosghsohhnuceojhhiuggrnhhnihesjhhiuggrnhhnihdrohhrgheqnecukfhppedurddujedtrdekgedrvdehtdenucfrrghrrghmpehmohguvgepshhmthhppdhhvghlohepjhhiuggrnhhnihdrohhrghdpihhnvghtpedurddujedtrdekgedrvdehtddprhgvthhurhhnqdhprghthheppeeruhhtfhdqkeerueerheeimhfphefnihehhegsveekreepucffrghnucflrggtohgsshhonhcuoehjihgurghnnhhisehjihgurghnnhhirdhorhhgqedpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehjihgurghnnhhisehjihgurghnnhhirdhorhhgpdhnrhgtphhtthhopeefgedvkeelseguvggssghughhsrdhgnhhurdhorhhgnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptd X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) ANYWAY, let's take a look at why I use $ mutt -f /some/mbox instead of gnus, for various simple mboxs laying around my system. For gnus all I know is once it gets hold of a mbox, it is very hard to completely eliminate the knowledge of it from gnus' vast dark interiors with gnus' vast dark commands. You fellows were talking about even viewing debbugs with gnus... no way! It would surely leave some list of read articles somewhere in gnus vast interiors (including SCORE lists, group kill lists, who knows.) In fact, just like Google has a Data Retention Policy statement, the gnus manual should, as an appendix, list all the ways one can be sure he can finally get rid of each type of nn-this, nn-that mailbox, (along with article KILL lists, group KILL lists, article SCORE lists, who knows.) (Yes, gnus retains data on your home computer, not in the Gnus Towers, but still needs a statement on how to get rid of it.) I don't care one bit about "data privacy". I'm just looking at this from the point of "can the user successfully reduce the size (bytes, lines) of the various pieces of gnus back to what they were before he 'subscribed' to some mailbox. (Also what if he doesn't want to remove the mailbox from the system, he just doesn't want gnus to "know about it at all" anymore.) Yes mention that gnus keeps some items (messages) for one week for your own good... and yes documents how to get rid of them now... And mention how the user can double check to be sure that he really did clean the thing he wanted to out of gnus' vast Orwellian databases that one currently must use lsof(1) and find ~ -mmin 111 etc. to track down! In fact (info "(gnus) The End") should also mention let's say the user wanted to eliminate every trace of gnus's stuff from his $HOME. First go through all the key strokes he needs. That should probably leave a few lisp database files/directory structure, almost zero size with no entries. Then probably a few shell commands are needed to get rid of those too, so he can finally get back to day 1 state before he started. I'm not asking you to tell me the answer. (I long ago solved it via "forensic analysis" and now that the data is gone, I also naturally forgot the details.) I'm saying all this needs to be added as an appendix to (info "(gnus) The End"). Getting rid of the memory of 1. individual messages 2. groups 3. entire gnus. Sure "It's all already documented. Bye." Yeah, scattered among the various info pages, with no dedicated page for those who want to "How do I permanently remove my ...".