From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jan 17 14:31:40 2019 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Jan 2019 19:31:40 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35343 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gkDO7-0005Kt-UD for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 17 Jan 2019 14:31:40 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:49246) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gkDO6-0005Kg-BI for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 17 Jan 2019 14:31:38 -0500 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:49626) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gkDNt-0007aO-W0 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 17 Jan 2019 14:31:29 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:59409) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gkDNt-0002TN-5s for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Jan 2019 14:31:25 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gkDNp-0007Pu-G8 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Jan 2019 14:31:23 -0500 Received: from userp2130.oracle.com ([156.151.31.86]:53222) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gkDNn-0007IQ-PX for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Jan 2019 14:31:20 -0500 Received: from pps.filterd (userp2130.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp2130.oracle.com (8.16.0.22/8.16.0.22) with SMTP id x0HJJGNM049404 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2019 19:31:17 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : subject : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2018-07-02; bh=Mr+vw4qOZhQtt2ellUiXnm7wQ4vShS/mNN531VKOZB4=; b=UhYJRZ/MgJVb2QmePYcSsoVGPCzWt5r2jQX2MChycVN8kcl9n1Wcwl1E4KAjNp089BE1 8gy1IBqFU9cBcst316cPlMTB4d1v/ca/tkg5OlVhUPIzk+2GmisYjb91ba8ytw7zIPm3 wWWYDdOx157ToDXuv6/cpzHYp7kMh6N3MhNU387ecpNFrklyYvZv7eGDoLWVHCwrQOHd SYzC9vo475mpw8j1qZ7QACB2C5bhoUaESx2Y184XnJ4qYiAZ0VgOANKyj5J4oQ0pYmOD HJKPP7PKGV1nar4ox1gGj2cBIyfF2xBCMHgmQNmD6Lk/wvLwT4MWq5rKOeFyU3NOd5QN /A== Received: from userv0022.oracle.com (userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74]) by userp2130.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2pybkcswnk-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2019 19:31:17 +0000 Received: from userv0121.oracle.com (userv0121.oracle.com [156.151.31.72]) by userv0022.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id x0HJVHLm018935 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2019 19:31:17 GMT Received: from abhmp0013.oracle.com (abhmp0013.oracle.com [141.146.116.19]) by userv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id x0HJVGQU008687 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2019 19:31:17 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <172346c1-8bd6-4b26-b55f-acc83aede737@default> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2019 11:31:16 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Adams To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 26.1; Incorrect byte-compile warnings X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4783.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5900 definitions=9139 signatures=668682 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=1 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1810050000 definitions=main-1901170135 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 156.151.31.86 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) Byte-compiling a sexp such as this: (make-obsolete-variable 'foo 'bar) raises a warning such as this: Warning: make-obsolete-variable called with 2 arguments, but requires 3-4 That's wrong. It is incorrect that it requires 3 or 4. It requires only 2. The code for `make-obsolete-variable' has this comment, which betrays the probable (misguided) motivation for the warning: "New code should always provide the `when' argument." New code? This comment, and the resulting warning, seem to be targeted at core Emacs developers, not users. "Require" means require. This function does NOT require 3 or 4 args. It is important for backward compatibility that requier only 2 args. It might be desirable for users, as well as core Emacs developers, to use 3 or 4 args, but neither the 3rd nor the 4th should be required (and neither IS required). The warning should be removed - there is nothing to warn about. There are ways to _encourage_ users to add a third arg (WHEN). Warning them that it is _required_ is not appropriate. The byte-compiler should not lie. Same misguided approach to `make-obsolete'. Only 2 args are required. It is inappropriate, misleading, and unnecessary to tell users that 3 are required. In GNU Emacs 26.1 (build 1, x86_64-w64-mingw32) of 2018-05-30 Repository revision: 07f8f9bc5a51f5aa94eb099f3e15fbe0c20ea1ea Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 10.0.17134 Configured using: `configure --without-dbus --host=3Dx86_64-w64-mingw32 --without-compress-install 'CFLAGS=3D-O2 -static -g3'' From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jan 17 17:14:17 2019 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Jan 2019 22:14:17 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35398 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gkFvV-0000cd-Gn for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 17 Jan 2019 17:14:17 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:40880) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gkFvR-0000cO-FM for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 17 Jan 2019 17:14:16 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:39641) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gkFvM-0000Gm-Bi for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 17 Jan 2019 17:14:08 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1gkFvM-0008D7-A4 for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 17 Jan 2019 17:14:08 -0500 Subject: control message for bug 34117 To: X-Mailer: mail (GNU Mailutils 2.99.98) Message-Id: From: Glenn Morris Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2019 17:14:08 -0500 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) unarchive 24353 forcemerge 24353 34117 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jan 17 17:20:49 2019 Received: (at 34117) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Jan 2019 22:20:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35404 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gkG1p-0000nT-8s for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 17 Jan 2019 17:20:49 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:43230) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gkG1o-0000nG-6y for 34117@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 17 Jan 2019 17:20:48 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:39691) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gkG1i-00005M-TI for 34117@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 17 Jan 2019 17:20:43 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1gkG1g-0000Sy-17; Thu, 17 Jan 2019 17:20:40 -0500 From: Glenn Morris To: 34117@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#34117: 26.1; Incorrect byte-compile warnings References: <172346c1-8bd6-4b26-b55f-acc83aede737@default> X-Spook: $400 million in gold bullion Defcon Medco Decapitated Ft. X-Ran: !(@h|oi5N6K=+N=KBj?H;l:*YEN3FOX3k.ce&U,D31T[q^2dDsd+"I$Uh9~cK5|@*paDe) X-Hue: blue X-Attribution: GM Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2019 17:20:39 -0500 In-Reply-To: <172346c1-8bd6-4b26-b55f-acc83aede737@default> (Drew Adams's message of "Thu, 17 Jan 2019 11:31:16 -0800 (PST)") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 34117 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) This attempts to relitigate bug#24353. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jan 17 19:46:26 2019 Received: (at 34117) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Jan 2019 00:46:26 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35438 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gkIIj-00068E-Uj for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 17 Jan 2019 19:46:26 -0500 Received: from aserp2130.oracle.com ([141.146.126.79]:43846) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gkIIi-00067z-0n for 34117@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 17 Jan 2019 19:46:24 -0500 Received: from pps.filterd (aserp2130.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by aserp2130.oracle.com (8.16.0.22/8.16.0.22) with SMTP id x0I0iR4U040884; Fri, 18 Jan 2019 00:46:17 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : subject : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2018-07-02; bh=gC+98B2snblgb9l8Y5XPmWkmGmO2ALW9FYtyUzVKYLc=; b=X29Wd4fw+ho34U/2FftGIs2aqPsOrDNs9V7iGTtInCflyNWbSroS9gAMbSXR5/NthzVB QqPIZuU/7hDEorh9npiR/PNqbfHpQuwj6rtA521vLABk1M0lRtDYGxKtDn3RNdD4mOHv O2lFLGBa/BV2NqMd/HMv9QN3PXV9qfovmyaZB5JSXFh4nMQ3A4gCbE0f7NYUw9G3zoZa Myx8cyAUEJh3MTQiFpvjY8+oqvWO8kL14i7Mb99osbxHiTLITAvbcKvh2ozQV1HzaD29 9x9HB0Sq6L1+CQWrGqsshPlGgYiGwh6Mr4EUeCRNNXaGtIPT7QSxj6euxyNRQr7ItN2o mg== Received: from aserv0022.oracle.com (aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234]) by aserp2130.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2pybjp30ae-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 18 Jan 2019 00:46:17 +0000 Received: from aserv0121.oracle.com (aserv0121.oracle.com [141.146.126.235]) by aserv0022.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id x0I0kHns016153 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 18 Jan 2019 00:46:17 GMT Received: from abhmp0008.oracle.com (abhmp0008.oracle.com [141.146.116.14]) by aserv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id x0I0kGPK009510; Fri, 18 Jan 2019 00:46:17 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2019 16:46:16 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Adams To: Glenn Morris , 34117@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: RE: bug#34117: 26.1; Incorrect byte-compile warnings References: <172346c1-8bd6-4b26-b55f-acc83aede737@default> In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4783.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5900 definitions=9139 signatures=668682 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=775 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1810050000 definitions=main-1901180004 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 34117 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > This attempts to relitigate bug#24353. Not at all. This is about an inappropriate byte-compiler warning. It is n= ot about the doc or function signatures. And it reports a bug. It doesn't litigate or "attempt to litigate" anythin= g. The warning message is incorrect, inaccurate. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jan 18 03:39:48 2019 Received: (at 34117) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Jan 2019 08:39:48 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35647 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gkPgq-0004Ok-6m for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 18 Jan 2019 03:39:48 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:45631) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gkPgo-0004OX-OE for 34117@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 18 Jan 2019 03:39:46 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:45947) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gkPgh-0000RL-RH; Fri, 18 Jan 2019 03:39:40 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3970 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1gkPgV-0008IG-0q; Fri, 18 Jan 2019 03:39:28 -0500 Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2019 10:39:24 +0200 Message-Id: <835zumcqbn.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Drew Adams In-reply-to: (message from Drew Adams on Thu, 17 Jan 2019 16:46:16 -0800 (PST)) Subject: Re: bug#34117: 26.1; Incorrect byte-compile warnings References: <172346c1-8bd6-4b26-b55f-acc83aede737@default> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 34117 Cc: rgm@gnu.org, 34117@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) > Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2019 16:46:16 -0800 (PST) > From: Drew Adams > > The warning message is incorrect, inaccurate. >From my POV, that warning does the job we wanted it to do. So this is not a bug, IMO. From unknown Fri Jun 20 07:25:48 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2019 12:24:05 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator