From unknown Fri Jun 20 07:17:54 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#34073: 26.1; Missing documentation for minor mode hook behavior Resent-From: Piotr Kaznowski Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2019 15:01:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 34073 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 34073@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.154747801624182 (code B ref -1); Mon, 14 Jan 2019 15:01:03 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Jan 2019 15:00:16 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59180 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gj3ip-0006Ht-IZ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 14 Jan 2019 10:00:15 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:51559) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1giyJ9-0003rh-Jq for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 14 Jan 2019 04:13:23 -0500 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:44335) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1giyJ3-0005nx-1i for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 14 Jan 2019 04:13:17 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:33528) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1giyJ2-0006Ld-4x for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Jan 2019 04:13:16 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1giyJ0-0005n5-Fc for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Jan 2019 04:13:16 -0500 Received: from mail-lj1-x22a.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::22a]:41280) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1giyJ0-0005mD-8A for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Jan 2019 04:13:14 -0500 Received: by mail-lj1-x22a.google.com with SMTP id k15-v6so18271693ljc.8 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2019 01:13:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:mime-version:content-disposition :user-agent; bh=QdtHMdu8rBNSH8YngGnQEdSv4vzNG3kPdPzv/dN+mLk=; b=UmE3cx4aeNVhMpFql99nuvojdrBIRi+oIGuoxaV078LfDsJhoRWq7pQ/yMhze8eJMp X9xuw3lSRWnTvmYXkbd1kAqIJkJ8znXRIoHI25dvfbobKDi9ANFM0CDZlMx6v0sbmukA onOwJGaQIV9NxB+1wLZZwoeN1Ut8yIEwMfOQNHaQU1Rxk9nW7j/9s0Hw5U4vPhM5rDWb DYZXI3t7ZlOSGP5zlDtDf+1w7cI+i+aWjWYGf5lxM9kB48MtZRUFtDBsJ/IMPYgjedd0 cKpgUPdpuXRkoFcKD/JwRVhfzNwszrLB1lkONqPz9s5O9A2Inxn/lLRIryyr/ouCS2hN fyyg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:message-id:mime-version :content-disposition:user-agent; bh=QdtHMdu8rBNSH8YngGnQEdSv4vzNG3kPdPzv/dN+mLk=; b=plUL1imEOZGEDJkIOc23sPPuYTuJE6dA1dQd9QXEFFzWM51HZ2SW2vFXJRMtn6i8/V LQtrsxuGCidt1NJu5ObUyynJrA8M8sQ6tWu0iCvWRRd8bDfbvLbeXjXiNLRJb6GqoMPX 4OJ/zrOpNlqdTpwA2/fQRHde6lX5aXbGK1OT9mod/TD32q6lCgCaLyHuKimM4VllHBEk zJc3u8f85s9DTZ0CBq6e1HwbMOOiD52IH9pv+HarJt0cKHH4qOpaGKDRFd0JBZJNYZbT 1yuJHL/ocaL18Go7AQmhPg5vPwBOXo4V7uWVyiwit9cZD0LtMZTiJFZqSZ3tPqQhF6f8 4Gag== X-Gm-Message-State: AJcUukeA4Aj5va02a5eqL/I4fBxjrRFxYTgpC1385DseuJK8gnFoWyL/ r4FY5QZ7UDOe9LeJ9Qy6ByHlJzK3I6I= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ALg8bN5eEYfvc0bwpZ71f2TMrCPPYq1ferBzNpdIBzDArsczTSlePZfv6b7EFUjTE3Bq/9WH1WHB2Q== X-Received: by 2002:a05:651c:c8:: with SMTP id 8mr13389920ljr.53.1547457190606; Mon, 14 Jan 2019 01:13:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from lenovo (apn-77-113-33-140.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl. [77.113.33.140]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 11-v6sm17051564ljv.1.2019.01.14.01.13.09 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Mon, 14 Jan 2019 01:13:10 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2019 10:13:08 +0100 From: Piotr Kaznowski Message-ID: <20190114091307.f33jqe54syxtceeq@lenovo> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: NeoMutt/20180716 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4864:20::22a X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 14 Jan 2019 10:00:09 -0500 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) --text follows this line-- I couldn't find essential information about minor mode hooks behavior, namely that "The minor mode's hook is called both when activating and deactivating the minor mode" (as stated here: https://emacs.stackexchange.com/a/47092/17425). It isn't mentioned in the manual (sections "Minor Modes" and "Hooks"), nor in the docstring for `add-hook' function. Please consider adding this information in the relevant sections of the docs. Thank you. From unknown Fri Jun 20 07:17:54 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#34073: 26.1; Missing documentation for minor mode hook behavior Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2019 22:21:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 34073 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Piotr Kaznowski Cc: 34073@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 34073-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B34073.156271080818209 (code B ref 34073); Tue, 09 Jul 2019 22:21:02 +0000 Received: (at 34073) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Jul 2019 22:20:08 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34445 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hkyT2-0004jd-6L for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Jul 2019 18:20:08 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]:54748) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hkyT0-0004jV-JQ for 34073@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Jul 2019 18:20:07 -0400 Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=marnie) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hkySv-0001TA-8y; Wed, 10 Jul 2019 00:20:03 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: <20190114091307.f33jqe54syxtceeq@lenovo> Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 00:20:00 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20190114091307.f33jqe54syxtceeq@lenovo> (Piotr Kaznowski's message of "Mon, 14 Jan 2019 10:13:08 +0100") Message-ID: <8736jergtr.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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Content preview: Piotr Kaznowski writes: > I couldn't find essential information about minor mode hooks behavior, > namely that "The minor mode's hook is called both when activating and > deactivating the minor mode" (as stated here: > https [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Piotr Kaznowski writes: > I couldn't find essential information about minor mode hooks behavior, > namely that "The minor mode's hook is called both when activating and > deactivating the minor mode" (as stated here: > https://emacs.stackexchange.com/a/47092/17425). > > It isn't mentioned in the manual (sections "Minor Modes" and "Hooks"), > nor in the docstring for `add-hook' function. Mentioning it `add-hook' is perhaps not natural, and I don't think it's 100% adhered to, anyway? Only by minor modes that are defined by define-minor-mode? Other minor modes may or may not call the hook. It is mentioned in the "Defining Minor Modes" node of the Lisp manual... but is probably not where people would be looking for this information. Hm. Perhaps `add-hook' is the right place to mention this anyway? But with caveats about, well, everything? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From unknown Fri Jun 20 07:17:54 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#34073: 26.1; Missing documentation for minor mode hook behavior Resent-From: Noam Postavsky Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2019 22:37:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 34073 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Cc: 34073@debbugs.gnu.org, Piotr Kaznowski Received: via spool by 34073-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B34073.156271176928011 (code B ref 34073); Tue, 09 Jul 2019 22:37:02 +0000 Received: (at 34073) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Jul 2019 22:36:09 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34471 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hkyiV-0007Hj-Q4 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Jul 2019 18:36:08 -0400 Received: from mail-io1-f41.google.com ([209.85.166.41]:47096) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hkyiS-0007HC-TN for 34073@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Jul 2019 18:36:05 -0400 Received: by mail-io1-f41.google.com with SMTP id i10so389674iol.13 for <34073@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 09 Jul 2019 15:36:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version; bh=K+buxY3xqmbIEV/XWO2BmXNzP38toDurwQQ8DrK81qU=; b=hCk6469qApS5OdgfZOdIpUIjCw08aEwP4tyDpeBwbxP6VUXgBHQMONdSFgmiXFeF+K OOz2X6b77K3olviTn04rfcPyBmA5OioVt+huj22uHRparxYZxVzNrnBJrWV1bASa65iN VkfV5ia+d+dWBxTZ3ATCGTbMSI4QD+JwVE7ZgtffPVIhk1rFK6juPTyGYOksP9GW+SlQ 9aVfkWOuX/YgFJLkb5gkYYDSlPxg5pyVzHc/D7Awrv/9SzT21OXUmeRTfc+aRRulEpUX yUDGiG/nkBwBuSSYwbE0GWgHYoMJqLcYwRXLknLpfv5uv/c1LVEgitNJ6s3xndWVy/y6 vT0A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version; bh=K+buxY3xqmbIEV/XWO2BmXNzP38toDurwQQ8DrK81qU=; b=aPvYvMJkCWBv8FthFTXqWeLOZL4Ab/iJFK8SnZHAxK+v/5lSlGN21oquDFMo0+OxDr dTJR/RlmNw2uRnE3Wr/CTGkMZSKRK5wIzfdcVT08q+XLaFmTsPTk1+SPm7z2CuGH/Ymv 9/bZFDHy4MkyFTeDr0IfaQO96MLEnA0amG8siP3FNAwhlDiyMaFWhK9HmI2qS6EVK2+Y 7hsSUw1W8rX2m/MJVDgAd95ZPkvmcIjSBEywO+3XU1gggCJoHXeWZpo7XJBfGJMluYNB SH/lyJmGkZSx1by9g48VCv6s57WEWqAp40dSq1V2+fEHiuNp5PiHH5lAO/CoKHvWy5Ie E/rQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUbdSQ0x8KHZKSJhvshvH6CXNBR7G35HFBnEd/XAwDA5eP2B0vg vwxAv6A8yqqWrpSagIAB1fr9abbu X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyoOjvQ3EC9JzUtUYT44BA64PjpyTH5JsUzMMuVH8LAyWef2AWtYea/e8eGklT4TVMiVIY+KQ== X-Received: by 2002:a6b:6b02:: with SMTP id g2mr8816322ioc.13.1562711759062; Tue, 09 Jul 2019 15:35:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from minid (cbl-45-2-119-34.yyz.frontiernetworks.ca. [45.2.119.34]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id f17sm246903ioc.2.2019.07.09.15.35.58 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Tue, 09 Jul 2019 15:35:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Noam Postavsky References: <20190114091307.f33jqe54syxtceeq@lenovo> <8736jergtr.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2019 18:35:57 -0400 In-Reply-To: <8736jergtr.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Wed, 10 Jul 2019 00:20:00 +0200") Message-ID: <87bly23kfm.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.2.90 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 1.3 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > Piotr Kaznowski writes: > >> I couldn't find essential information about minor mode hooks behavior, >> namely that "The minor mode's hook is called both when activating and >> deactivating the min [...] Content analysis details: (1.3 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 URIBL_BLOCKED ADMINISTRATOR NOTICE: The query to URIBL was blocked. See http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/DnsBlocklists#dnsbl-block for more information. [URIs: gnus.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (npostavs[at]gmail.com) 0.0 SPF_HELO_NONE SPF: HELO does not publish an SPF Record -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at https://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [209.85.166.41 listed in list.dnswl.org] 1.3 PDS_NO_HELO_DNS High profile HELO but no A record X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > Piotr Kaznowski writes: > >> I couldn't find essential information about minor mode hooks behavior, >> namely that "The minor mode's hook is called both when activating and >> deactivating the minor mode" (as stated here: >> https://emacs.stackexchange.com/a/47092/17425). >> >> It isn't mentioned in the manual (sections "Minor Modes" and "Hooks"), >> nor in the docstring for `add-hook' function. > > Mentioning it `add-hook' is perhaps not natural, and I don't think it's > 100% adhered to, anyway? Only by minor modes that are defined by > define-minor-mode? Other minor modes may or may not call the hook. > > It is mentioned in the "Defining Minor Modes" node of the Lisp > manual... but is probably not where people would be looking for this > information. > > Hm. Perhaps `add-hook' is the right place to mention this anyway? But > with caveats about, well, everything? Maybe define-minor-mode could mention this in the mode's docstring, like it does for the ARG? From unknown Fri Jun 20 07:17:54 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#34073: 26.1; Missing documentation for minor mode hook behavior Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2019 22:44:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 34073 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Noam Postavsky Cc: 34073@debbugs.gnu.org, Piotr Kaznowski Received: via spool by 34073-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B34073.156271220628644 (code B ref 34073); Tue, 09 Jul 2019 22:44:01 +0000 Received: (at 34073) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Jul 2019 22:43:26 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34479 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hkypZ-0007Rv-RS for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Jul 2019 18:43:26 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]:55124) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hkypY-0007Ro-Rj for 34073@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Jul 2019 18:43:25 -0400 Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=stories) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hkypV-0001fR-83; Wed, 10 Jul 2019 00:43:23 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: <20190114091307.f33jqe54syxtceeq@lenovo> <8736jergtr.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <87bly23kfm.fsf@gmail.com> Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAD1BMVEW0VTa/ajuUOS7SmV8w Dw/Wzy+6AAACZUlEQVQ4jT1UgZXsIAgEvQJArwAlFqCxgfue/df0B5M9s+9t1hGYGXCJaRehQMRi ZEuVOBQOlSjt/RMlcCEJYUuwYkIlUf3ae6/JQlxKaAhyhANJ245ETUSadmjLdqFSqexn5T5I0sJb 2KhS6OsFVu7J0vMuBDZtf1YdnNpuey0BLwDrg1g5EWuBO1P6iwAQ9olwISR+5qli9oXXhogCzfop EtM2KyciBVLUf1nN1lYhgHuXJAnQA1yjrW1hV0IqdoNe6XkGZCmNGfuamPiRuOZ0EQZfwFa9OD+E r46IvUjgO7zHI3qA3wcwnFTkSTjxFPntdlIWxVGpgYLKUyR8AEG2iiaAwtn5tkeP84FVSJnDyXU/ JCBSGTHEXfgAcjf/bouTcA/E9e2uJWvHz4IIwlJVb8/+Ca29VUbwKcp0qx3X26e8E4ZXnB7xJ5UD 9TAGOSTF2eVA88B/NFgpc3R819nRCjylbZYKr1JCkJbpwLJVxfYPSoAuaHHOMw8zyzaH6JxgBbpI qHNMB7pNnJlzwC4YL8z+Q8o9q29jddjOVNV/Zv+cfc+FayIB3LAxfAuZp3DMgzrM5PHEi0s0TaFe CuV6ys0x3tnDRNbsxTsS35cz+QMyWEmHmSdR1oaGZ9y63X5w83iIYfuGQhfmLHxICRqCxZ4Hro2n mwdA53HxtsV6waqQ5zg8mt82pWYWLd93sxcYaOUzJZavWAJIvoDtytAxrc6rorEVVh5zfFIcEJ7l ynetDADV83f12ZEuc4Tfa0DEyCM6de2GCaU5WOI1K+vM/biDy+xTgv8KirErFGo81qPp/wFNRqEQ JAtLKwAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 00:43:21 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87bly23kfm.fsf@gmail.com> (Noam Postavsky's message of "Tue, 09 Jul 2019 18:35:57 -0400") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Noam Postavsky writes: > Maybe define-minor-mode could mention this in the mode's docstring, like > it does for the ARG? It subtly alludes to this in this bit: Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Noam Postavsky writes: > Maybe define-minor-mode could mention this in the mode's docstring, like > it does for the ARG? It subtly alludes to this in this bit: -- BODY contains code to execute each time the mode is enabled or disabled. It is executed after toggling the mode, and before running MODE-hook. -- But that's not the documentation somebody who wonders when hooks are run would look -- that macro is for people who implement modes, not people who just wants to run some hooks... -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From unknown Fri Jun 20 07:17:54 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#34073: 26.1; Missing documentation for minor mode hook behavior Resent-From: Noam Postavsky Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2019 22:46:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 34073 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Cc: 34073@debbugs.gnu.org, Piotr Kaznowski Received: via spool by 34073-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B34073.156271230629038 (code B ref 34073); Tue, 09 Jul 2019 22:46:01 +0000 Received: (at 34073) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Jul 2019 22:45:06 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34486 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hkyrB-0007Xx-Og for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Jul 2019 18:45:06 -0400 Received: from mail-io1-f45.google.com ([209.85.166.45]:33993) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hkyr9-0007U9-Fg for 34073@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Jul 2019 18:45:04 -0400 Received: by mail-io1-f45.google.com with SMTP id k8so561177iot.1 for <34073@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 09 Jul 2019 15:45:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version; bh=2XPryN9olKuV08vMgQSUiI6A6YwkykBBDxCxFyli/ek=; b=a3JZh8RhAOMmyveZ1Eilnady+znluhXz0pnEZY1SJ2WNyJjrGOLmFc1Fke7Hy4MuR5 Pgtz8FTSpg+Vg609cOAEEPpWxLduDh7amW/+K6HgLVmo9q25yipZImWqguvOv+dcYp9x ivd6hcQFRajYZHgLTS6mp4Ms2xkJjlSvW7wA3Gmk9AkRfuLGvXlLRk++xteM4NfagIUG /HfvzjMl+oSivzt1Kqmru57WcHIVSnWmbu+qrofk+6M2d4IsMzklSyOx0/1vqLPU+8rv MyNoDARrhiMQYEA0tXwPUpmxSxEQapyswYZJlMc7OP9dP5UZBF+zORJVhYKqbQsH8GkC /Dhg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version; bh=2XPryN9olKuV08vMgQSUiI6A6YwkykBBDxCxFyli/ek=; b=ACbUjM2UKshymglKyuMXpl2am0UD97+gB51fb98fxL1CScMBGzpET0cC4ZFvX3KCRp wtRpOAHBIOYkHdXit/OMB4S6E5Tnl09uZXCAAY6RMGUvLRigk8J596jH9LYFFDVHmsSk WKDNzLcJgpJZEoCwF7ZbA3FqASTiDfm/P/XZyOutjzQq1fz+AdXSk9xNPZJgHKfGWGeh +aiWvOMYDERTZF3QdAEOxPyjzytmos81iHMTZL0/YOGAoWvGJoS9fTkb0+GvF+hiydEW qqg9GeKKguLypK43JnF0JjJw1Aiih4tOGK1++TZ+vNk64O4XxjbdtftHEcu0ejd5f52j 2Smg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAX/POUKZrpU/uc0THcsqDPqOophpepoWpGUdj5cWTnY1PkMD7Gk Y/5Ej/jfJJNpnyToQu3jik0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyTIUpqrFjeouBf6JEdUwI78aMHFVQFHmh3xFzix9B5B7lW8mYF4IPOcx6z2/OzpRcp1DLFfg== X-Received: by 2002:a5d:8b52:: with SMTP id c18mr9191346iot.89.1562712297870; Tue, 09 Jul 2019 15:44:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from minid (cbl-45-2-119-34.yyz.frontiernetworks.ca. 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Content preview: Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > Noam Postavsky writes: > >> Maybe define-minor-mode could mention this in the mode's docstring, like >> it does for the ARG? > > It subtly alludes to this in this bit: > > -- > BODY contains code [...] Content analysis details: (1.3 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 URIBL_BLOCKED ADMINISTRATOR NOTICE: The query to URIBL was blocked. See http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/DnsBlocklists#dnsbl-block for more information. [URIs: gnus.org] -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at https://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [209.85.166.45 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (npostavs[at]gmail.com) 0.0 SPF_HELO_NONE SPF: HELO does not publish an SPF Record 1.3 PDS_NO_HELO_DNS High profile HELO but no A record X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > Noam Postavsky writes: > >> Maybe define-minor-mode could mention this in the mode's docstring, like >> it does for the ARG? > > It subtly alludes to this in this bit: > > -- > BODY contains code to execute each time the mode is enabled or disabled. > It is executed after toggling the mode, and before running MODE-hook. > -- I didn't mean the docstring of define-minor-mode, I meant the docstring of the mode it defines. From unknown Fri Jun 20 07:17:54 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#34073: 26.1; Missing documentation for minor mode hook behavior Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2019 22:58:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 34073 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Noam Postavsky Cc: 34073@debbugs.gnu.org, Piotr Kaznowski Received: via spool by 34073-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B34073.15627130805782 (code B ref 34073); Tue, 09 Jul 2019 22:58:01 +0000 Received: (at 34073) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Jul 2019 22:58:00 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34499 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hkz3g-0001VC-22 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Jul 2019 18:58:00 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]:55304) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hkz3f-0001V2-0n for 34073@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Jul 2019 18:57:59 -0400 Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=stories) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hkz3Z-0001k0-QR; Wed, 10 Jul 2019 00:57:56 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: <20190114091307.f33jqe54syxtceeq@lenovo> <8736jergtr.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <87bly23kfm.fsf@gmail.com> <877e8q3k0n.fsf@gmail.com> Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAD1BMVEW0VTa/ajuUOS7SmV8w Dw/Wzy+6AAACZUlEQVQ4jT1UgZXsIAgEvQJArwAlFqCxgfue/df0B5M9s+9t1hGYGXCJaRehQMRi ZEuVOBQOlSjt/RMlcCEJYUuwYkIlUf3ae6/JQlxKaAhyhANJ245ETUSadmjLdqFSqexn5T5I0sJb 2KhS6OsFVu7J0vMuBDZtf1YdnNpuey0BLwDrg1g5EWuBO1P6iwAQ9olwISR+5qli9oXXhogCzfop EtM2KyciBVLUf1nN1lYhgHuXJAnQA1yjrW1hV0IqdoNe6XkGZCmNGfuamPiRuOZ0EQZfwFa9OD+E r46IvUjgO7zHI3qA3wcwnFTkSTjxFPntdlIWxVGpgYLKUyR8AEG2iiaAwtn5tkeP84FVSJnDyXU/ JCBSGTHEXfgAcjf/bouTcA/E9e2uJWvHz4IIwlJVb8/+Ca29VUbwKcp0qx3X26e8E4ZXnB7xJ5UD 9TAGOSTF2eVA88B/NFgpc3R819nRCjylbZYKr1JCkJbpwLJVxfYPSoAuaHHOMw8zyzaH6JxgBbpI qHNMB7pNnJlzwC4YL8z+Q8o9q29jddjOVNV/Zv+cfc+FayIB3LAxfAuZp3DMgzrM5PHEi0s0TaFe CuV6ys0x3tnDRNbsxTsS35cz+QMyWEmHmSdR1oaGZ9y63X5w83iIYfuGQhfmLHxICRqCxZ4Hro2n mwdA53HxtsV6waqQ5zg8mt82pWYWLd93sxcYaOUzJZavWAJIvoDtytAxrc6rorEVVh5zfFIcEJ7l ynetDADV83f12ZEuc4Tfa0DEyCM6de2GCaU5WOI1K+vM/biDy+xTgv8KirErFGo81qPp/wFNRqEQ JAtLKwAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 00:57:53 +0200 In-Reply-To: <877e8q3k0n.fsf@gmail.com> (Noam Postavsky's message of "Tue, 09 Jul 2019 18:44:56 -0400") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Noam Postavsky writes: > I didn't mean the docstring of define-minor-mode, I meant the docstring > of the mode it defines. Yes, that makes sense. I just had a look at a random one of these: Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Noam Postavsky writes: > I didn't mean the docstring of define-minor-mode, I meant the docstring > of the mode it defines. Yes, that makes sense. I just had a look at a random one of these: --- auto-image-file-mode is an autoloaded interactive Lisp function in =E2=80=98image-file.el=E2=80=99. (auto-image-file-mode &optional ARG) Probably introduced at or before Emacs version 21.1. Toggle visiting of image files as images (Auto Image File mode). If called interactively, enable Auto-Image-File mode if ARG is positive, and disable it if ARG is zero or negative. If called from Lisp, also enable the mode if ARG is omitted or nil, and toggle it if ARG is =E2=80=98toggle=E2=80=99; disable the mode otherwise. An image file is one whose name has an extension in =E2=80=98image-file-name-extensions=E2=80=99, or matches a regexp in =E2=80=98image-file-name-regexps=E2=80=99. --- It doesn't mention the hook at all... which I guess it could do? --=20 (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From unknown Fri Jun 20 07:17:54 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#34073: 26.1; Missing documentation for minor mode hook behavior Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 15:17:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 34073 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Noam Postavsky Cc: 34073@debbugs.gnu.org, Piotr Kaznowski Received: via spool by 34073-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B34073.159802297425309 (code B ref 34073); Fri, 21 Aug 2020 15:17:01 +0000 Received: (at 34073) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Aug 2020 15:16:14 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48073 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1k98m6-0006Zw-6K for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 11:16:14 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:47248) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1k98m4-0006TO-0s for 34073@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 11:16:12 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=AdQIyotMzNtZWMOTMziYdw6YUO6vTWC4nhaBlWT73X8=; b=GxEJ4An63s0CnICU0mLy1lbt3V DaTv6IckaBaabHlRtPsuyqFTGoBHEpqGS9sZi/M2+1WwoldBJIB6vZC0FYkgG57vb0t8/cojUpxKO lEYIk+AUrVs7HFRS7o3Llpf3uM/OQQ/UNg7vw//GZw1fgh/QD6eQnynkKPPRtXky5wrk=; Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=xo) by quimby with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1k98lq-0007k8-79; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 17:16:05 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: <20190114091307.f33jqe54syxtceeq@lenovo> <8736jergtr.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <87bly23kfm.fsf@gmail.com> <877e8q3k0n.fsf@gmail.com> X-Now-Playing: Portishead's _Chase the Tear_: "Chase The Tear" Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 17:15:56 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Wed, 10 Jul 2019 00:57:53 +0200") Message-ID: <87364gowr7.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > Noam Postavsky writes: > >> I didn't mean the docstring of define-minor-mode, I meant the docstring >> of the mode it defines. > > Yes, that makes sense. I just had a look at a [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > Noam Postavsky writes: > >> I didn't mean the docstring of define-minor-mode, I meant the docstring >> of the mode it defines. > > Yes, that makes sense. I just had a look at a random one of these: [...] > It doesn't mention the hook at all... which I guess it could do? 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: tags 34073 fixed close 34073 28.1 quit Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) tags 34073 fixed close 34073 28.1 quit