From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Dec 30 04:57:32 2018 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Dec 2018 09:57:32 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41839 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gdXqd-00039o-Sy for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2018 04:57:32 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:35900) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gdXqc-00039h-0B for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2018 04:57:31 -0500 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]:38400) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gdXqb-0003ZP-KY for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2018 04:57:29 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:58095) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gdXqa-00033v-K6 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2018 04:57:29 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gdXqV-0003MM-JK for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2018 04:57:28 -0500 Received: from metalevel.at ([78.46.218.83]:42120) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gdXqT-0003I5-RV for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2018 04:57:23 -0500 Received: from vbox.localdomain (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by metalevel.at (Postfix) with ESMTP id 008CCA0339 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2018 10:57:18 +0100 (CET) Received: by vbox.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A4EAE144EF1; Sun, 30 Dec 2018 10:57:17 +0100 (CET) From: Markus Triska To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 27.0.50; Default height is inconsistently - and apparently also incorrectly - documented Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2018 10:57:17 +0100 Message-ID: <877efrxrpe.fsf@metalevel.at> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 78.46.218.83 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) In the Emacs man page, we find for the "-g" (--geometry) option: The width and height are specified in characters; the default is 80 by 24. In the Emacs info page ("C.8 Options for Window Size and Position"), we find a different default height: The default frame width is 80 characters and the default height is 40 lines. However, when I start Emacs via "$ emacs -Q", I actually get a height that is neither 24 nor 40, no matter how I count it: On a recent Debian install with X toolkit, I get an initial window that comprises exactly 28 lines, and if I include the mode line and echo area, then the frame height is 30, excluding the tool bar, menu bar and title bar. In GNU Emacs 27.0.50 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, X toolkit, Xaw scroll bars) of 2018-12-30 built on stretch Repository revision: b0e6ecfc33077fb2dce904d315c8ef24e3649c9b Repository branch: master Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.11604000 System Description: Debian GNU/Linux 9 (stretch) Recent messages: Loading /home/mt/prolog.el (source)...done Loading /home/mt/public_html/ediprolog/ediprolog.el (source)...done For information about GNU Emacs and the GNU system, type C-h C-a. Use +,-,0 for further adjustment [2 times] Configured using: 'configure --with-x-toolkit=lucid --with-gif=no --with-tiff=no' Configured features: XPM JPEG PNG SOUND NOTIFY INOTIFY GNUTLS FREETYPE XFT ZLIB TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS LUCID X11 XDBE XIM THREADS GMP Important settings: value of $LANG: en_US.utf8 locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix Major mode: Fundamental Minor modes in effect: text-scale-mode: t shell-dirtrack-mode: t tooltip-mode: t global-eldoc-mode: t electric-indent-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t buffer-read-only: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t Load-path shadows: None found. 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This must be a very old entry. > In the Emacs info page ("C.8 Options for Window Size and Position"), we > find a different default height: > > The default frame width is 80 characters and the default height is > 40 lines. The default height was changed from 40 to 35 by Chong and from 35 to 36 by Eli. I now updated the value given by the manual of the release branch. > However, when I start Emacs via "$ emacs -Q", I actually get a height > that is neither 24 nor 40, no matter how I count it: On a recent Debian > install with X toolkit, I get an initial window that comprises exactly > 28 lines, 28 lines is strange indeed. > and if I include the mode line and echo area, then the frame > height is 30, excluding the tool bar, menu bar and title bar. Evaluating (frame-height) with emacs -Q should yield 36. What does it give for you? And what is your value of (window-total-height) for the initial window? It's 35 here. martin From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Dec 30 10:26:24 2018 Received: (at 33921) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Dec 2018 15:26:24 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42545 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gdcyt-0005A9-V1 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2018 10:26:24 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:48979) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gdcyt-0005A2-2z for 33921@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2018 10:26:23 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gdcyn-0000QA-O3 for 33921@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2018 10:26:22 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:44018) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gdcyn-0000Q3-LF; Sun, 30 Dec 2018 10:26:17 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3873 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1gdcyj-0001kB-G4; Sun, 30 Dec 2018 10:26:15 -0500 Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2018 17:25:58 +0200 Message-Id: <83zhsn3uk9.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: martin rudalics In-reply-to: <5C28DCEB.909@gmx.at> (message from martin rudalics on Sun, 30 Dec 2018 15:57:47 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#33921: 27.0.50; Default height is inconsistently - and apparently also incorrectly - documented References: <877efrxrpe.fsf@metalevel.at> <5C28DCEB.909@gmx.at> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33921 Cc: 33921@debbugs.gnu.org, triska@metalevel.at X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) > Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2018 15:57:47 +0100 > From: martin rudalics > > > In the Emacs man page, we find for the "-g" (--geometry) option: > > > > The width and height are specified in characters; the default is > > 80 by 24. > > This must be a very old entry. > > > In the Emacs info page ("C.8 Options for Window Size and Position"), we > > find a different default height: > > > > The default frame width is 80 characters and the default height is > > 40 lines. > > The default height was changed from 40 to 35 by Chong and from 35 to > 36 by Eli. I now updated the value given by the manual of the release > branch. I actually think we shouldn't promise any concrete value, and instead say something vague, like "between 35 and 40, depending on the OS and the window manager". From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Dec 30 12:47:11 2018 Received: (at 33921) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Dec 2018 17:47:12 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42573 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gdfB9-0000Ii-NU for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2018 12:47:11 -0500 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.19]:34007) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gdfB7-0000IJ-Ja for 33921@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2018 12:47:09 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([46.125.249.115]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx003 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MAgzj-1gSz8u0TJT-00BqZc; Sun, 30 Dec 2018 18:47:03 +0100 Message-ID: <5C290495.5060207@gmx.at> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2018 18:47:01 +0100 From: martin rudalics MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#33921: 27.0.50; Default height is inconsistently - and apparently also incorrectly - documented References: <877efrxrpe.fsf@metalevel.at> <5C28DCEB.909@gmx.at> <83zhsn3uk9.fsf@gnu.org> In-Reply-To: <83zhsn3uk9.fsf@gnu.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:m29pdWFJj6FJyWeuEXtgnAndwbDfFd3YIRwEI4NOD7u6rKZpjHJ qFNxn9v2wp6EFAlh8AQjuoq7Pltv9t+XWppftG0mdd85H5X4kLmGFkj8OG9DN56LAjjdcT/ 6QIf7leNzvEZUEygq6QVUh12FW6zFWRxltk5Ac4RFimWVWe5EhFM/dseap8c1G+ZqjojEf8 r3NHm0Bfry3S58v3+qCEw== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:q6fjnj3y4O4=:WiktuVDdeW3oFZtKNAqOT7 IqcfoHHB/r6Y4C5jhBtPT6lEB+7qE9RwVmLF8pJOd+T5ey+Jz8ddDwWk21wn+CDSxq77szwQU kKEg85Gcx6Y5nmqe3etNLFlv3YulGZF/7WyWtqnK+j0ejc7og1RN4nFRHa4sQW8SOf5BkveOd TLTSibGlU+rLgdXKsPXmR48co0i8fZxGMAcDGBfCzAkbALgt29NPCMinHbktn2QgnOwt5dUhj YDyV+/FdXL9y3CiCgxE6KNu/k738J5DL+ZNfTD2Z96T1ymvKO+2VRkaJegN3dyxq+STD3Je5T ENzkKtZQpbENRZoEaYgY/8jzd2PJgJza9xYx5oRdKVKSWv19+0HYY8F+FciYNT5vy9bAeQGrh PL7PhyHYKJJaBE8UOLv9lSqFvyC7pK9GyIRnBh40ONW900BLb6iXWwYLHElt4PQrMslQYN72u qy2igiEQOqH7sF/fuIF+6i+fCxpAi0Dv+EztxnAFRkG4xJ9PUpIH0n+zWaS/b6vAaMCHKYfbQ H10MA3Zf6FBRTtEhb7ngXLvyVtDvGOj2jWpGuew3W3VyyaieeLyrerBhwO+nfXyrNSEO4sEXm LfwxF90c+HstTQZs+5DChvnX0oDlyYWHIP3jzNpa/Hkrm65EW9t0TpnYjyCpbM7DeURTf2+b9 mljbbT62lt1y6pvA0lXTGcJRAG0ij609BeS57R5zM7oViUO4ILw2S0NG760k++YsxlVu1RZn3 rCkl0EWpvrQ4WCYNQVJ+ZszXQ18Akd4hz2rZ5qNbI9EE6AGwjFG1YErMaUGNoaFYS+nj3Zsrc IYC7D/VbLV3aGskVmAFXgfDkYVzd2afim1Y63n4dLAmli59xGs6/9whNUFFVDZIt7IWjbn9WD /+rgz4Yl6j7m4MjxVmogBARDzmlyCPPDzBazKuN6k8m9DhvI7tb6Nk2DUujsFD X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33921 Cc: 33921@debbugs.gnu.org, triska@metalevel.at X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > I actually think we shouldn't promise any concrete value, and instead > say something vague, like "between 35 and 40, depending on the OS and > the window manager". The value of evaluating (frame-height) should be 36 if nothing special has been specified. There are still some unclosed bug reports (Bug#16013) revolving around how to specify the initial size of a frame. But the values given by DEFAULT_ROWS and DEFAULT_COLS should work in a uniform way for every GUI frame regardless of OS and window manager. So before becoming vague let's wait until we have a report (maybe the present one) that demonstrates that a value of 36 cannot be obtained. martin From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Dec 30 13:43:12 2018 Received: (at 33921) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Dec 2018 18:43:12 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42591 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gdg3M-0001kp-Lq for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2018 13:43:12 -0500 Received: from metalevel.at ([78.46.218.83]:44510) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gdg3J-0001kd-N5 for 33921@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2018 13:43:10 -0500 Received: by metalevel.at (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 68DCAA24A4; Sun, 30 Dec 2018 19:43:08 +0100 (CET) From: Markus Triska To: martin rudalics Subject: Re: bug#33921: 27.0.50; Default height is inconsistently - and apparently also incorrectly - documented References: <877efrxrpe.fsf@metalevel.at> <5C28DCEB.909@gmx.at> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2018 19:43:08 +0100 In-Reply-To: <5C28DCEB.909@gmx.at> (martin rudalics's message of "Sun, 30 Dec 2018 15:57:47 +0100") Message-ID: <87zhsmq2ir.fsf@metalevel.at> User-Agent: Emacs/24.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33921 Cc: 33921@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) martin rudalics writes: > Evaluating (frame-height) with emacs -Q should yield 36. What does it > give for you? And what is your value of (window-total-height) for the > initial window? It's 35 here. (frame-height) yields 29, and (window-total-height) yields 28. When I run (set-frame-height nil 36), then (frame-height) yields 36. So, it's possible to obtain this frame height, and ideally this should also be obtainable with the "-g" option. I tried all this with the window manager FVWM as shipped with Debian. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Dec 30 13:53:20 2018 Received: (at 33921) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Dec 2018 18:53:20 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42598 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gdgD9-00025Y-Rl for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2018 13:53:20 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:59410) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gdgD8-00025Q-5X for 33921@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2018 13:53:18 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gdgD0-0000q5-4w for 33921@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2018 13:53:15 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:47350) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gdgD0-0000ps-1e; Sun, 30 Dec 2018 13:53:10 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4908 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1gdgCz-0002u6-5e; Sun, 30 Dec 2018 13:53:09 -0500 Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2018 20:52:53 +0200 Message-Id: <83tviu4zju.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: martin rudalics In-reply-to: <5C290495.5060207@gmx.at> (message from martin rudalics on Sun, 30 Dec 2018 18:47:01 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#33921: 27.0.50; Default height is inconsistently - and apparently also incorrectly - documented References: <877efrxrpe.fsf@metalevel.at> <5C28DCEB.909@gmx.at> <83zhsn3uk9.fsf@gnu.org> <5C290495.5060207@gmx.at> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33921 Cc: 33921@debbugs.gnu.org, triska@metalevel.at X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) > Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2018 18:47:01 +0100 > From: martin rudalics > CC: triska@metalevel.at, 33921@debbugs.gnu.org > > > I actually think we shouldn't promise any concrete value, and instead > > say something vague, like "between 35 and 40, depending on the OS and > > the window manager". > > The value of evaluating (frame-height) should be 36 if nothing special > has been specified. That's definitely not true for TTY frames. > So before becoming vague let's wait until we have a report (maybe the > present one) that demonstrates that a value of 36 cannot be obtained. Fine with me, but I'd be very surprised if we conclude that 36 is an accurate number in enough situations to cite it in the manual. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Dec 30 14:01:00 2018 Received: (at 33921) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Dec 2018 19:01:00 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42604 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gdgKZ-0002KA-Uv for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2018 14:01:00 -0500 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.15]:41347) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gdgKY-0002Jw-Hf for 33921@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2018 14:00:58 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([46.125.249.115]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx002 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0Lp3x6-1hIUjI2J5Y-00esme; Sun, 30 Dec 2018 20:00:52 +0100 Message-ID: <5C2915E3.1070305@gmx.at> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2018 20:00:51 +0100 From: martin rudalics MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Markus Triska Subject: Re: bug#33921: 27.0.50; Default height is inconsistently - and apparently also incorrectly - documented References: <877efrxrpe.fsf@metalevel.at> <5C28DCEB.909@gmx.at> <87zhsmq2ir.fsf@metalevel.at> In-Reply-To: <87zhsmq2ir.fsf@metalevel.at> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:s4lcdnvOKT9ZgawS5RI5IZDNEZNDcHuCiQFJIF7XKJqRgQludCw KhJdYihrHC3CLHWKczionCKk1VE8OLSmAmS6p9pg8b5PzYnxG7SSh+8wcfbHh6DnmxZP4KT 1JOI7Ree0xrgK2MkO5qZDTXA85E6ZvCwrNlvOVgovByGkDhwki1npa08WyTDcjeUT6tvmKS Ao6Zbo8WmKJYzIMLPrcHw== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:4XAxKjFJKSc=:sOQDpGDjLw9jMMVp7TtF9R Zb8ouZkcqwfZTIOL/NeZGxVQGpmhn9oLXxjOhEwMjRukd809D6fK5uunFSIsnKaYHlQFQKcSx jGrECWV4OkwtzYnZIPCHJ+KuxE0hWHSwwjCON/+uXmzoApjV/N0Bx0Ri12mYSuBh3pm798XwV z2dbGZ65wuwHZKKaXxpxMd8xaaelqmLfmHrdTkK799q766Yi5g9Qg6s9O8giTpkZUxsr9mjNv gg0faCw7pyuafPCicxEcg4USzmmJse74Ub+IknsM8wf7lkr8hLlEj3TpsPamazpKI4DzI2Tf/ UedHDtsr88n2l9+L8aEl8TkUPvYiLOJDfXk4AU6SiX4kUFCujA/sxIU9Z2kYyeq9nuzMqTeoj bBTuXzIEHBu1adJ6/zPSf9HUIIM+QlVgnJoh5OYKq+gQUwPCl6cvSUMQSSVX9ZA7XqivvopCr BBBtfhkNPSUVEemGMQ4SAY8PmkIlA0bktS9pgYlMHjY9Trz2SHpIGUwYBCaLUzGOXbkw4Z9fu N0iRSiky5gXvnTaO18yUgjVsoebWottfXi8XisqCLktDpc3P6JLaf5RT7hk0iNDnWiYLwYP7O M2Gx3Ba2XgfxbkjcMWkyRiA515lWfgyQnFnvlnIC4wLLdrZkgcN+EkrbbbXQFakNxIj++5JMs pRhR/SZ+9MYcGcsAq8sod723lymXD/S5nEetyjpnTP/9hcRRZEhdHR9fLUpJYNTHVvngb65J2 f3akZoGK5O+qg15HN2zp2ZmInUSg56dbx1iacI1ukpEyXFe4bk32Kve2c3mgXyRA9za2xHnkB MhwlB8yXM5rKfNw14X5c3il0IOXEP9PutlmzWvltkOTEyK6J4CczPfUlnyLXWn8v6FqL0Bx11 +YbKzqXgfIvjBJnHHIwItWdU/6+/rWfa+NWUI4mDraoB9j+m2g8Krlk1TXCGDm X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33921 Cc: 33921@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) >> Evaluating (frame-height) with emacs -Q should yield 36. What does it >> give for you? And what is your value of (window-total-height) for the >> initial window? It's 35 here. > > (frame-height) yields 29, and (window-total-height) yields 28. Hmm... then it's not even vague according to Eli. I'm afraid you have to use the debugger to find out what goes wrong. For starters I would set a breakpoint at the beginning of x_figure_window_size (in frame.c) and check whether any height setting gets applied. > When I run (set-frame-height nil 36), then (frame-height) yields 36. > > So, it's possible to obtain this frame height, and ideally this should > also be obtainable with the "-g" option. > > I tried all this with the window manager FVWM as shipped with Debian. If FVWM interferes we will find out soon enough. martin From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Dec 30 14:01:16 2018 Received: (at 33921) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Dec 2018 19:01:16 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42607 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gdgKq-0002LH-6Y for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2018 14:01:16 -0500 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.18]:44169) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gdgKo-0002L2-W3 for 33921@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2018 14:01:15 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([46.125.249.115]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx003 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0Lx8OH-1hNpl73T6f-016g9X; Sun, 30 Dec 2018 20:01:08 +0100 Message-ID: <5C2915F3.9080606@gmx.at> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2018 20:01:07 +0100 From: martin rudalics MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#33921: 27.0.50; Default height is inconsistently - and apparently also incorrectly - documented References: <877efrxrpe.fsf@metalevel.at> <5C28DCEB.909@gmx.at> <83zhsn3uk9.fsf@gnu.org> <5C290495.5060207@gmx.at> <83tviu4zju.fsf@gnu.org> In-Reply-To: <83tviu4zju.fsf@gnu.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:T/Xm8qvpHQCAPM/sOGZbj2/gCdfxP0B14zxHixf5TsMDsMGqXgE 4nWAcG2SI/CC/n3a+nc7Vz0rjPEsQ9VCsfXaV/Q5fksdutxM4LqeJ/HEvsOgzbsli3eBjot Z65y0cC9/mAJ4XrV0UkTSJZDlvzqdvLcNCSP/ycHvYHq5MSNMlWfaFjHtL70+cRwxW6gz12 ILx5ZGHlV6pliNzMTlt5w== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:1V4Vn/frThs=:Y44LgXiV8ucMfg41up1X2a FiMHeLVdSpJfm7hl9HftzmP0eR/01Cyr9xSjx8/7NAp/ChOHqYCDsWkSWB3u2UBGORsjqZ2OF +qvq00+R6Mb+MHuW8c+3Es/sHEcOUmnEg/U2Mqfl1BQfysO2r/vLdc0ZXHJua7bngkf8LUt+p n84F/BuAYuNfEZMpL44/FAVyyo0VUp9In7etx49CmBkJQfaZL5M/9r1v6EkziYa8JhcerWx5k YXsWzpxsVJSc/WCyua97xVpyVRppQqDTXXkPvtED+YfxOUalc22pA5Fa+Gnm2dpy5uqnPKzvO t69vuK83ad3CcSxrH8QlUEfqncObJnYqqYXkCovcG6IUjyyCUuCPubo0YjftNOVvBF9rFORIV u1qL9L1Vomnplrb1sKDoKMnJKGzDIS8qaRF1Zf7SPaZwZyureb2IFBDIacpkAxNSpqqMpNSxP fgyhysxysM97QHarQAM90M3KUjRgsMpCVmDs2FtlT02D8A5vlGW1Hf/IN0WRkUxuffnNRFKfe ktOGW4Vw6GnBMAcqlx9fVDUkxFMQr9cPrgfoZF/cvMdZQ+jF7zo6gOaliTJcpQ2ydPJ2FgInI u+UdumtXoy7N78PUtsiUp98DLvU+r/GU7p8oGc6SQ6ure1bTxE/evEJbkFn/0PEGl03RshwOy m/8t2sZwAjfo0VXaeEmceKQ4rBISrJA5X+RtEBpMF7yBWCOBvXqKkY4bfYd/51orL66q9dTPe vvhIKypyaT9fwb+elY5UPm3RlwgOPzMVIkQs/NuucQUOQvjoVsnPPVr0GPZ7gq8xQa+UiId0c C3GB0LiYAJD50IYow8Gym2A0kl2CB0vyLoFpU2luB8QycnkxZW5ek5XE95Ya2OzRaci0M8Qj3 SujdWoqiL/vGAXeslW5RfqLjy+FlRsQeb14UR0c6J7AXLuD8vSHyO5rg6Vj9Uv X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33921 Cc: 33921@debbugs.gnu.org, triska@metalevel.at X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) >> The value of evaluating (frame-height) should be 36 if nothing special >> has been specified. > > That's definitely not true for TTY frames. I mentioned the GUI restriction a few lines below. > Fine with me, but I'd be very surprised if we conclude that 36 is an > accurate number in enough situations to cite it in the manual. It's a default we specify explicitly. When OS or WM interfere all bets are off obviously. martin From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Feb 04 11:30:32 2019 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Feb 2019 16:30:32 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59639 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gqh8h-00040a-Sj for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Feb 2019 11:30:32 -0500 Received: from mail-pf1-f173.google.com ([209.85.210.173]:35904) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gqh8f-00040M-SY for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Feb 2019 11:30:30 -0500 Received: by mail-pf1-f173.google.com with SMTP id b85so161720pfc.3 for ; Mon, 04 Feb 2019 08:30:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=to:from:subject:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=WD8loZOxoijq+1zsL5NO9Sn/4J3jl6fCTpT65ff2M9o=; b=sZnAkCumJBjA+t8KuiCig3YkO7+NRtBscIxZYlI5opVphtJm75/djJRAbDX57t+sg4 rORO/dLpE9DrLaLYzcaHMfbA1vkFeGh+T74LRTE+0LmwkxDqcUYHqZZh0/XsGaQOe76m hUb+/EHzn0mCTHALCxcfIRLPftyAr32mATOMj+6kaH9zGbyMHVCyPtwfFV+JTkmRfIUT r9ys5ktA8Msl7D4B2O1JocK7ot1mlGBgxrYXhiXf838QCnfv/SNLFEST7TXhWGWpM6jf r3D+O7m4lBtZmmyVDmyUFeMv69SdK3J3JtHbqYgz3ejWC5Q0Sg3zeVr48u4lAFAgV1WE sgAQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:to:from:subject:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=WD8loZOxoijq+1zsL5NO9Sn/4J3jl6fCTpT65ff2M9o=; b=svZqzwfaPavtP8T9N8CxVbCna+HsDXFpQqgYv60ytgUZrvun8uiwAYEv/CRdM6rvzh UJFqb9MsI4LcfdgjwWxjuf5MjCWlI5epLXkIA9xaaUahXsHFEyqpI+O83IUkdDxmpC23 2CTLA3TanSz/3Ym1skZjPog22S4+CS9+GiTMjt66ByxQMPBA4npB8P3E0GWtgXGWXGK+ iv6YCVjK8dmyO5TRTTIfmJD5JMWsqba2BHztqhQykm8BuHJD6GdwbBE0vv9Y1NIatHiv m5NyzoHdLIRXqJjN3aaDWSR9WueCnwRR6LkhOE9eqo8m8w5hiKTMKXWFaa3Gntn/gGV3 /ljg== X-Gm-Message-State: AHQUAuZe0vpXdjRUwGdPCHt66HbREx5nz7/AsjZB2Oj9qHTdYCRm/vxA X1Svky477aV8BH9prNAsWuKcd/3X X-Google-Smtp-Source: AHgI3IY53GEqy1Ni/7tIkONw4HZdYgQNZmCO9cgKZeCNTNzpUAYGuAzD/9oOTnrUcG2Q4xx0lyJxQg== X-Received: by 2002:a63:c051:: with SMTP id z17mr228663pgi.20.1549297823337; Mon, 04 Feb 2019 08:30:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([123.201.100.228]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id m9sm651328pgr.7.2019.02.04.08.30.22 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 04 Feb 2019 08:30:22 -0800 (PST) To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Bhavin Gandhi Subject: control message for bug #33921 Message-ID: <72930338-dcd9-41a4-b669-216ffb3ae2fc@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2019 22:00:20 +0530 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.8 (/) tags 33921 confirmed From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Oct 12 18:49:44 2019 Received: (at 33921) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Oct 2019 22:49:44 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34435 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iJQCm-0004jj-IC for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 Oct 2019 18:49:44 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]:41914) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iJQCk-0004jU-00 for 33921@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 Oct 2019 18:49:43 -0400 Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=marnie) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iJQCf-0000zL-8W; Sun, 13 Oct 2019 00:49:40 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#33921: 27.0.50; Default height is inconsistently - and apparently also incorrectly - documented References: <877efrxrpe.fsf@metalevel.at> <5C28DCEB.909@gmx.at> <83zhsn3uk9.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2019 00:49:36 +0200 In-Reply-To: <83zhsn3uk9.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sun, 30 Dec 2018 17:25:58 +0200") Message-ID: <87sgnxh94v.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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Content preview: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2018 15:57:47 +0100 >> From: martin rudalics >> >> > In the Emacs man page, we find for the "-g" (--geometry) option: >> > >> > The width and height are specifie [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33921 Cc: martin rudalics , 33921@debbugs.gnu.org, triska@metalevel.at X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii writes: >> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2018 15:57:47 +0100 >> From: martin rudalics >> >> > In the Emacs man page, we find for the "-g" (--geometry) option: >> > >> > The width and height are specified in characters; the default is >> > 80 by 24. >> >> This must be a very old entry. >> >> > In the Emacs info page ("C.8 Options for Window Size and Position"), we >> > find a different default height: >> > >> > The default frame width is 80 characters and the default height is >> > 40 lines. >> >> The default height was changed from 40 to 35 by Chong and from 35 to >> 36 by Eli. I now updated the value given by the manual of the release >> branch. > > I actually think we shouldn't promise any concrete value, and instead > say something vague, like "between 35 and 40, depending on the OS and > the window manager". 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