From unknown Sat Jun 14 03:57:35 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#33855: 27.0.50; Can't see markup in HELLO Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2018 22:17:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 33855 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 33855@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.154560337321422 (code B ref -1); Sun, 23 Dec 2018 22:17:01 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Dec 2018 22:16:13 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34105 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gbC2e-0005ZR-Jx for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 23 Dec 2018 17:16:12 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:50698) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gbC2c-0005ZD-Fg for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 23 Dec 2018 17:16:10 -0500 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]:57485) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gbC2X-0006h7-6y for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 23 Dec 2018 17:16:05 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:59705) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gbC2W-0006zT-AF for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Dec 2018 17:16:05 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gbC2R-0006Zn-Av for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Dec 2018 17:16:04 -0500 Received: from pruche.dit.umontreal.ca ([132.204.246.22]:58391) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gbC2R-0006YA-6Z for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Dec 2018 17:15:59 -0500 Received: from pastel.home (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by pruche.dit.umontreal.ca (8.14.7/8.14.1) with ESMTP id wBNMFvYa010473 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2018 17:15:57 -0500 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 3E2A06AAB6; Sun, 23 Dec 2018 17:15:57 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Monnier Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2018 17:15:57 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-NAI-Spam-Flag: NO X-NAI-Spam-Level: X-NAI-Spam-Threshold: 5 X-NAI-Spam-Score: 0.9 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 5 Rules triggered BEC_TRC1=0.4, BEC_TRC1_W_GEN_SPAM_FEATRE=0.4, GEN_SPAM_FEATRE=0.1, EDT_SA_DN_PASS=0, RV6444=0 X-NAI-Spam-Version: 2.3.0.9418 : core <6444> : inlines <6989> : streams <1807997> : uri <2768995> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 132.204.246.22 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) Severity: wishlist Package: Emacs Version: 27.0.50 I can't seem to figure out how to conveniently edit the markup. In modes like image-mode, postscript-mode, doc-view-mode, ..., we can choose between the "edit source" and "view rendering", but for enriched-mode buffers, all I find is find-file-literally which not only makes the markup explicit but also shows me the bytes rather than the chars, which is not what I want. I think we should add a way to see (and edit) the markup. Maybe the corresponding command can be `enriched-mode` (tho currently that command doesn't do this). And maybe it can be bound to C-c C-c. Stefan In GNU Emacs 27.0.50 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, X toolkit, Xaw3d scroll bars) of 2018-12-14 built on pastel Repository revision: fbae0090fe9595ba1669fdfd5ef88f1ee3172edc Repository branch: work Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.11902000 System Description: Debian GNU/Linux 9 (stretch) Recent messages: Quit Enriched: decoding document... Indenting... View mode: type C-h for help, h for commands, q to quit. Quit Auto-saving... Warning: hide-sublevels is obsolete! Mark saved where search started Enriched mode disabled in current buffer From unknown Sat Jun 14 03:57:35 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#33855: 27.0.50; Can't see markup in HELLO Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 13:09:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 33855 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Stefan Monnier Cc: 33855@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 33855-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B33855.16528793055808 (code B ref 33855); Wed, 18 May 2022 13:09:01 +0000 Received: (at 33855) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 May 2022 13:08:25 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59378 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nrJPY-0001VV-Hi for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 18 May 2022 09:08:25 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:39590) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nrJPT-0001V1-MT for 33855@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 18 May 2022 09:08:19 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=2uflGYsCn1xO4xoOk2ZC1FlG+ocUFsx5UPesIKW5FNE=; b=afGiUNRyfokNm1Bj4jFdA5GRO6 Ael+h/B9BLuX+8rwXPBcXaqcpIUmYchUT2WzCr7FavWGc4qHh4eley7xmyjVaQbtBZD9wte3xxfEL S7wEZAkSclzTocmOfL4pa5tA6AAUqIQ991tEuDUY2YrOYfIpUvmQh10jU2Vvvp1+lPmc=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nrJPF-0007TK-VG; Wed, 18 May 2022 15:08:08 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: X-Now-Playing: Nils Petter =?UTF-8?Q?Molv=C3=A6r's?= _Solid Ether_: "Vilderness 2" Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 15:07:59 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Sun, 23 Dec 2018 17:15:57 -0500") Message-ID: <87czgbc7kg.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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Content preview: Stefan Monnier writes: > I can't seem to figure out how to conveniently edit the markup. > In modes like image-mode, postscript-mode, doc-view-mode, ..., we can > choose between the "edit source" and "view rendering", but f [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Stefan Monnier writes: > I can't seem to figure out how to conveniently edit the markup. > In modes like image-mode, postscript-mode, doc-view-mode, ..., we can > choose between the "edit source" and "view rendering", but for > enriched-mode buffers, all I find is find-file-literally which not only > makes the markup explicit but also shows me the bytes rather than the > chars, which is not what I want. > > I think we should add a way to see (and edit) the markup. > Maybe the corresponding command can be `enriched-mode` (tho currently > that command doesn't do this). > And maybe it can be bound to C-c C-c. This doesn't seem like it should be that difficult to implement. Round-tripping with (enriched-encode (point-min) (point-max) (current-buffer)) and (enriched-decode (point-min) (point-max)) seems to work fine (well, with some post-processing after the first to get rid of colours, so they're not doubly encoded). 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No, it just seemed like a natural binding for it. But it'd likely be used so rarely that it's not worth having a key-binding. Stefan From unknown Sat Jun 14 03:57:35 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#33855: 27.0.50; Can't see markup in HELLO Resent-From: Robert Pluim Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 14:55:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 33855 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Cc: Stefan Monnier , 33855@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 33855-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B33855.165288564528094 (code B ref 33855); Wed, 18 May 2022 14:55:02 +0000 Received: (at 33855) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 May 2022 14:54:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33179 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nrL3t-0007J3-GF for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 18 May 2022 10:54:05 -0400 Received: from mail-wr1-f45.google.com ([209.85.221.45]:33771) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nrL3r-0007IZ-S0 for 33855@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 18 May 2022 10:54:04 -0400 Received: by mail-wr1-f45.google.com with SMTP id f2so3117530wrc.0 for <33855@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 18 May 2022 07:54:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :mime-version; bh=Eu7yue2EWd9jhrhoLZX6HXWJ8ajkWzdGdaVSCJ6ec6g=; b=XDaiIA/jP6IVb3wBxcJwAcGGJkQk3XN8etyj20RCTItxuRGyqEL7pOqPm5bcZRNeqk qjjtXpFIBhLALVOIWrdAmEk8qr9vfAGzJvPfkdzyS18nCfMCvviLPSQ5TIwdCrcj585v 1zXSOHbAMXB/pEBMxwT5006UHGcocsApcbtsKGPKhYAmE2WslxXNRLuTswlZiqLj8fz4 aEJl45JouEW0cvA7djGW1ZXXmwUwawgxsxtcPHkaHSL0n+uIJqm9M3ePyJuuziJ/Wc2d NuQoBK9CoAixM669FPZ6GE1wO3703NrsUPp3Rnjbx/vqLn5MNGwtW6u8n504Nq0JEZmY RosA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version; bh=Eu7yue2EWd9jhrhoLZX6HXWJ8ajkWzdGdaVSCJ6ec6g=; b=y/5GKZzkNohdXxC7zrm6L2oFuv6c5XcJOA/8vMb26jWSw98zTADPabiu4FrHiUFS7k 5tgyiZJ64FjSQjX0HLMMuYV3rfE9yujor/JSdeia/1Y43zT85ZI19vCxgRKqHeHGcT6u RKhaoSuSexCG9nbRqMnQx66nM7XhtAjv9u5Nt7fsNUTc/mJtZ3k4cfEDYiYYrYcA9tee lJukiaaCjRIdxfLQKtv0cvnKonQNjgowNtexbHWH+67MMMSKDzJ32/I7wXsad8L7VxIE KOpjQ5TUQBD83HPrJlxqbpgxDcIPkq5Qd4by4Nas4Nx+CxpuXfqSW8g5MrTD2/8B6Xnq 8Cvg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531aRJ8g7LcpFb6ztysJaxfnbgeM+mtR3vFSOJSVMjdnmz+O5Qso /5lNC8DY65MnoBbDadmFON80kNom5xI= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyVzUqi0zSBcSLR3GbNa9f47C0FxXacsZ1ch94/7BF5JeFltX+90cSvJsQyjbNWBZo7D38xoA== X-Received: by 2002:a5d:4948:0:b0:20e:58f8:f4ce with SMTP id r8-20020a5d4948000000b0020e58f8f4cemr60890wrs.229.1652885637552; Wed, 18 May 2022 07:53:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rltb ([2a01:e0a:3f3:fb50:cd02:384a:6bea:3e81]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id f1-20020adfb601000000b0020d11ee1bcesm2242450wre.82.2022.05.18.07.53.56 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Wed, 18 May 2022 07:53:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Pluim References: <87czgbc7kg.fsf@gnus.org> Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 16:53:56 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier via's message of "Wed, 18 May 2022 10:31:10 -0400") Message-ID: <87wneizybf.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) >>>>> On Wed, 18 May 2022 10:31:10 -0400, Stefan Monnier via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" said: >> I'm not quite sure that having the `C-c C-c' command be `enriched-mode' >> would be all that helpful, though -- was there any particular reason for >> that in the feature spec? Stefan> No, it just seemed like a natural binding for it. Stefan> But it'd likely be used so rarely that it's not worth having Stefan> a key-binding. How about "C-c '", for consistency with org-mode. Robert -- From unknown Sat Jun 14 03:57:35 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#33855: 27.0.50; Can't see markup in HELLO Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 19 May 2022 23:19:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 33855 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo To: Robert Pluim Cc: Stefan Monnier , 33855@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 33855-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B33855.165300233116966 (code B ref 33855); Thu, 19 May 2022 23:19:01 +0000 Received: (at 33855) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 May 2022 23:18:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36849 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nrpPu-0004Pa-SZ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 19 May 2022 19:18:51 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:56018) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nrpPs-0004PL-RJ for 33855@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 19 May 2022 19:18:50 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=OGv1ro9tTjY35VDXdq7JpDsGgzWpUsIUAJ8C2Z/x8Pk=; b=E3WbMZ9ATtUoeW//Vmbr6zAJaN sMJHKUptwRpGyg9TpiBroPyMtu1KzI2ImXZ+9PTvOEp4v9f6yWk3y9uBxuEAEgScZciRf4L1f63Kd 0pFg6WDymH6cVcmKgiPs+XZe3+GQJ8wF0DvSaz2FEjhEMdabYd/6YXLfE6ELromC0GNs=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nrpPi-0007x4-Te; Fri, 20 May 2022 01:18:41 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: <87czgbc7kg.fsf@gnus.org> <87wneizybf.fsf@gmail.com> X-Now-Playing: Tuxedomoon's _Holy Wars_: "Some Guys" Date: Fri, 20 May 2022 01:18:35 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87wneizybf.fsf@gmail.com> (Robert Pluim's message of "Wed, 18 May 2022 16:53:56 +0200") Message-ID: <871qwp9kms.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Robert Pluim writes: > Stefan> No, it just seemed like a natural binding for it. > Stefan> But it'd likely be used so rarely that it's not worth having > Stefan> a key-binding. I've now added a new command 'enriched-toggle-markup' to Emacs 29. Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Robert Pluim writes: > Stefan> No, it just seemed like a natural binding for it. > Stefan> But it'd likely be used so rarely that it's not worth having > Stefan> a key-binding. I've now added a new command 'enriched-toggle-markup' to Emacs 29. > How about "C-c '", for consistency with org-mode. I left it unbound for now -- I'm not quite sure whether it's something that many people would want to use, even if it's useful for debugging. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu May 19 19:18:54 2022 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 May 2022 23:18:54 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36852 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nrpPy-0004Pp-4Z for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 19 May 2022 19:18:54 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:56034) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nrpPw-0004PQ-DH for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 19 May 2022 19:18:52 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Subject:From:To:Message-Id:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Cc: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=hsVyMx26c2O6Y42Y8daTMoTnSv/h6qdL6flKuwhRPWQ=; b=P5C735PnV/1BxCTWN2cZdHAlhD k0BnmxzHoBJa/sZ7NSjj53qP3KWzhtZUfQ7qrGozV9loa2i9ZAKy1cZIwtz182H/FYgTvw2vn02ly gDj9sRjs5pwiFchpJQVLCpwKnAQyYa6pYgvRHIZ27BoWvvA1y6Ov25w+Ly6KIHL3UKCI=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nrpPn-0007xB-Kk for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2022 01:18:45 +0200 Date: Fri, 20 May 2022 01:18:43 +0200 Message-Id: <87zgjd8624.fsf@gnus.org> To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #33855 X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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Content preview: close 33855 29.1 quit Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) close 33855 29.1 quit From unknown Sat Jun 14 03:57:35 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#33855: 27.0.50; Can't see markup in HELLO Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 20 May 2022 12:34:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 33855 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Cc: Robert Pluim , 33855@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 33855-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B33855.165305003528630 (code B ref 33855); Fri, 20 May 2022 12:34:02 +0000 Received: (at 33855) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 May 2022 12:33:55 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37910 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ns1pL-0007Rh-KD for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2022 08:33:55 -0400 Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:22577) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ns1pH-0007RQ-U8 for 33855@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2022 08:33:54 -0400 Received: from pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 27581809FD; Fri, 20 May 2022 08:33:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id AA55980723; Fri, 20 May 2022 08:33:44 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1653050024; bh=KXWi7YH5MCwQOPkojr7b+9NKfBG6upGZ1oTPi4iiSe8=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=OkTsBAI2yi7iO2ARSaeuXp8ydZjS1gkabAySBkz6GIp5TPdRHyXMALtWais4Nzdlc qACXpHKGExoz+ZGv3SXXj1Yj59C1D1NjAElmpKgdkK99+f0pj/AuMjj/HayleyMzkY MisZv2JbIh2CxY2UNXVWinGBB9z1l542owMvwd3Xq5pk3+AC5/LNAP+1OQlhR3Msst xakhEw4U/x25/dpquJ9DHMuuW7XlagolU0mDWd7cHkekPftyxo9VlVHMdylnWPd/3s u56vPXw038bAgLIbbdNZOxlTluWjD+Yqtr8TSgnceOr/vXdaNvYbF1Z+NaKiTqntT5 JLTkfW8PneRvQ== Received: from pastel (unknown [45.72.221.51]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7E9B7120E81; Fri, 20 May 2022 08:33:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier Message-ID: References: <87czgbc7kg.fsf@gnus.org> <87wneizybf.fsf@gmail.com> <871qwp9kms.fsf@gnus.org> Date: Fri, 20 May 2022 08:33:43 -0400 In-Reply-To: <871qwp9kms.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Fri, 20 May 2022 01:18:35 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-SPAM-INFO: Spam detection results: 0 ALL_TRUSTED -1 Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP AWL -0.055 Adjusted score from AWL reputation of From: address BAYES_00 -1.9 Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% DKIM_SIGNED 0.1 Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid DKIM_VALID -0.1 Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature DKIM_VALID_AU -0.1 Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from author's domain T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE -0.01 - X-SPAM-LEVEL: X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Lars Ingebrigtsen [2022-05-20 01:18:35] wrote: > Robert Pluim writes: >> Stefan> No, it just seemed like a natural binding for it. >> Stefan> But it'd likely be used so rarely that it's not worth having >> Stefan> a key-binding. > I've now added a new command 'enriched-toggle-markup' to Emacs 29. Thanks. >> How about "C-c '", for consistency with org-mode. > I left it unbound for now -- I'm not quite sure whether it's something > that many people would want to use, even if it's useful for debugging. Agreed. Looking a bit more into it, I wonder if 'enriched-toggle-markup' should be merged with the `enriched-mode` command itself. Currently, doing something like: C-x C-f .../HELLO # Open an enriched-mode file M-x enriched-mode # Disable enriched-mode foobar # Insert arbitrary text C-x C-s # Save throws away all the annotations without any warning. WDYT? Stefan From unknown Sat Jun 14 03:57:35 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#33855: 27.0.50; Can't see markup in HELLO Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 20 May 2022 13:17:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 33855 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo To: Stefan Monnier Cc: larsi@gnus.org, rpluim@gmail.com, 33855@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 33855-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B33855.1653052600962 (code B ref 33855); Fri, 20 May 2022 13:17:02 +0000 Received: (at 33855) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 May 2022 13:16:40 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37978 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ns2Ui-0000FS-Bl for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2022 09:16:40 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:44318) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ns2Uf-0000FD-P9 for 33855@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2022 09:16:38 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:53232) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ns2Ua-000294-FX; Fri, 20 May 2022 09:16:32 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=HMQbuNUSbEkepaWY2vAQWr5JotTZl3JbpTq1+OG0Aqo=; b=nEQyT35D6eRM Ob4CdldH/W6IhqAX4uqyLYUpIyVFRH1NNKrOfwwYb6WlCGLN7OmM4qZ13pCGWJUk/2ZqObx1xdV8v 62MGVF3gtmq5gNKKaYj8rkug7B1BTDx6x3oqs+gLM/fm76VdhFYwBYhqveMVtDc2nwc10Ye2A3VT0 uzVKIiDn9D3xYrLu0UyNP66d4h4eJurXOGS87q6gmVxFrCzPUe4UhyLFF/7zgRF6Gq0vTOyW6Qz6P 7A5ZWipBiiYF6jjGI2CNyKCULGEX9o5JqdMppaE+X/TOPAmSyPh+gnUhGY3IVrHqSIjO3IxylLgfS +OEsnW/JHQqtNZYJFdHf2A==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=3442 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ns2UZ-0002JF-SI; Fri, 20 May 2022 09:16:32 -0400 Date: Fri, 20 May 2022 16:16:30 +0300 Message-Id: <83v8u09wep.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: (bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org) References: <87czgbc7kg.fsf@gnus.org> <87wneizybf.fsf@gmail.com> <871qwp9kms.fsf@gnus.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Cc: Robert Pluim , 33855@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Fri, 20 May 2022 08:33:43 -0400 > From: Stefan Monnier via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, > the Swiss army knife of text editors" > > Currently, doing something like: > > C-x C-f .../HELLO # Open an enriched-mode file > M-x enriched-mode # Disable enriched-mode > foobar # Insert arbitrary text > C-x C-s # Save > > throws away all the annotations without any warning. > > WDYT? What other method would you suggest for removing the annotations? From unknown Sat Jun 14 03:57:35 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#33855: 27.0.50; Can't see markup in HELLO Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 20 May 2022 14:25:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 33855 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: larsi@gnus.org, rpluim@gmail.com, 33855@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 33855-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B33855.16530566639554 (code B ref 33855); Fri, 20 May 2022 14:25:02 +0000 Received: (at 33855) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 May 2022 14:24:23 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39816 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ns3YF-0002U2-Ep for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2022 10:24:23 -0400 Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:11922) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ns3YD-0002To-SO for 33855@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2022 10:24:22 -0400 Received: from pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 74F621006B0; Fri, 20 May 2022 10:24:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 16491100163; Fri, 20 May 2022 10:24:15 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1653056655; bh=80E9QBFLkndhht0REXic61viH2xMRz4MYrKTH095+A0=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=d6F0uB+ujMc2B1/a1ap90344nf5I3Gyfw+pevmIn922nMeCs+X4njUdt1wJceB6CN 7yuyHt2LbjU2TqyWujCn9ghR94wEnuvXgKbkscddS0gU8T+AUBgdkI1EN2TKEcEHE4 59eQezPUI2Wm0jAxH20HNYm8qZ0mGk06aDKwLdqNLwn5iy30AfWZTaubUgGyVgCwfq EDYoeZi2Ae7+/V7xRtkWq4OStO5j0Gbz4KKl64NJsLCmFiiGYvuqCQm4J50Oz/uh6H rucRSra6MOBzUJ6YYposu29c9kQk61ps/tE5gYVKZN/AUeHulsk4hb7/esBB6nAyLC j7lbppDmb3knA== Received: from pastel (unknown [45.72.221.51]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AEF701207CC; Fri, 20 May 2022 10:24:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier Message-ID: References: <87czgbc7kg.fsf@gnus.org> <87wneizybf.fsf@gmail.com> <871qwp9kms.fsf@gnus.org> <83v8u09wep.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Fri, 20 May 2022 10:24:12 -0400 In-Reply-To: <83v8u09wep.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 20 May 2022 16:16:30 +0300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-SPAM-INFO: Spam detection results: 0 ALL_TRUSTED -1 Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP AWL -0.042 Adjusted score from AWL reputation of From: address BAYES_00 -1.9 Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% DKIM_SIGNED 0.1 Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid DKIM_VALID -0.1 Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature DKIM_VALID_AU -0.1 Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from author's domain T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE -0.01 - X-SPAM-LEVEL: X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) >> Cc: Robert Pluim , 33855@debbugs.gnu.org >> Date: Fri, 20 May 2022 08:33:43 -0400 >> From: Stefan Monnier via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, >> the Swiss army knife of text editors" >> >> Currently, doing something like: >> >> C-x C-f .../HELLO # Open an enriched-mode file >> M-x enriched-mode # Disable enriched-mode >> foobar # Insert arbitrary text >> C-x C-s # Save >> >> throws away all the annotations without any warning. >> >> WDYT? > > What other method would you suggest for removing the annotations? Maybe a more explicit one, like `C-x h M-x write-region`? I can't see any part of my above recipe which says that the user (me in this case, I was just trying things out, tho admittedly I disabled `enriched-mode` via the menu on the "Enriched" word in the mode line instead of via `M-x enriched-mode`) intended to remove the annotations. Stefan From unknown Sat Jun 14 03:57:35 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#33855: 27.0.50; Can't see markup in HELLO Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 20 May 2022 15:50:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 33855 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo To: Stefan Monnier Cc: larsi@gnus.org, rpluim@gmail.com, 33855@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 33855-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B33855.165306175418229 (code B ref 33855); Fri, 20 May 2022 15:50:02 +0000 Received: (at 33855) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 May 2022 15:49:14 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39941 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ns4sL-0004jx-UW for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2022 11:49:14 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:44992) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ns4sJ-0004jh-LV for 33855@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2022 11:49:12 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:55906) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ns4sE-0000S1-7z; Fri, 20 May 2022 11:49:06 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=9fCk5Hj8fx74GmgDiSTFMQU1raXeHscBc3MtZmPz6Cs=; b=UZzmEW7667oG bcgxOvslrrg8h7APKWpvKUzizNA3Jz1CKZDGbDUAKNWrn8rgmDBGe97HisBvfXdsvwnnhtx+y9Hwr jSb5nOxgk712+5eVfvnOqYLT5nroZtXbksUdbJWa5V5Q5rrYHLeV7ASNh25vw6siJcmPr7ofb/aRO W1VK2Xin5qCMd9ZkiyYAm5jB+IkbmwmGOdgfpXAVCpFItXcOu3sHdY5PW2+X4N37nJyJ7LbAKvPig O/TPJlt516YDq4/5KFiYpG2ThOipv1WFK+ud2HbLf+KHJz3Nrx5fkMlnptpEqp/CKuVz97uQ/Z0fB OFNPDI/Klm5DhKUWPAdgCw==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=1212 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ns4sD-0001wm-O3; Fri, 20 May 2022 11:49:06 -0400 Date: Fri, 20 May 2022 18:49:04 +0300 Message-Id: <83o7zs9pcf.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Monnier on Fri, 20 May 2022 10:24:12 -0400) References: <87czgbc7kg.fsf@gnus.org> <87wneizybf.fsf@gmail.com> <871qwp9kms.fsf@gnus.org> <83v8u09wep.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Stefan Monnier > Cc: larsi@gnus.org, rpluim@gmail.com, 33855@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Fri, 20 May 2022 10:24:12 -0400 > > > What other method would you suggest for removing the annotations? > > Maybe a more explicit one, like `C-x h M-x write-region`? Yuck! Users shouldn't need to use that command. > I can't see any part of my above recipe which says that the user (me in > this case, I was just trying things out, tho admittedly I disabled > `enriched-mode` via the menu on the "Enriched" word in the mode line > instead of via `M-x enriched-mode`) intended to remove the annotations. That's what Emacs understood: disabling Enriched means you give up on saving the faces and the other annotations, because Emacs never does that. E.g., if you save a buffer in CC mode with all the faces set by font-lock, you don't expect the file on disk to have any traces of those faces, right? From unknown Sat Jun 14 03:57:35 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#33855: 27.0.50; Can't see markup in HELLO Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 20 May 2022 18:57:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 33855 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: larsi@gnus.org, rpluim@gmail.com, 33855@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 33855-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B33855.165307301629605 (code B ref 33855); Fri, 20 May 2022 18:57:02 +0000 Received: (at 33855) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 May 2022 18:56:56 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40121 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ns7nz-0007hP-MG for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2022 14:56:55 -0400 Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:24858) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ns7nw-0007hA-62 for 33855@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2022 14:56:54 -0400 Received: from pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 50878442098; Fri, 20 May 2022 14:56:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id BAF1E442083; Fri, 20 May 2022 14:56:44 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1653073004; bh=Oonr4kqxKmAqrgz2bZ77OoKYDeLfUpL9oSRpPBGqHfM=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=nUD3t4zFka450H0DNu+0dZKBndfDcV84ntb5REv1vnryhuvYJJ8X/OEE7PtJotVZS g0Z5jwFOk6oFeKz2JqQpqs41szxzq1KpWB4kSb+rxpIJmx2wkhYxzMUF3uTLkRhkam FU2rQ0cc700u3CsSXo9A+If3UfqroZi+8MJqhP+RNq7Kgy9QEMV/o4O6uJzqAh60RA Eiv3rhZ/xj0wHOaVi6/GJHZW72JVqPaF49VyKROEE400nT73JdwZk/PHFfx2pBZPFs PBg/+5lItYThbdkIULh4GbQRE1ieV7M5bV4J7MW5BuyLxCg9U7+PQ0BWf0Qrs1Hm39 ce/th5N59E8TQ== Received: from pastel (unknown [45.72.221.51]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8A7851202AF; Fri, 20 May 2022 14:56:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier Message-ID: References: <87czgbc7kg.fsf@gnus.org> <87wneizybf.fsf@gmail.com> <871qwp9kms.fsf@gnus.org> <83v8u09wep.fsf@gnu.org> <83o7zs9pcf.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Fri, 20 May 2022 14:56:43 -0400 In-Reply-To: <83o7zs9pcf.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 20 May 2022 18:49:04 +0300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-SPAM-INFO: Spam detection results: 0 ALL_TRUSTED -1 Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP AWL -0.054 Adjusted score from AWL reputation of From: address BAYES_00 -1.9 Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% DKIM_SIGNED 0.1 Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid DKIM_VALID -0.1 Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature DKIM_VALID_AU -0.1 Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from author's domain T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE -0.01 - X-SPAM-LEVEL: X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Eli Zaretskii [2022-05-20 18:49:04] wrote: >> Maybe a more explicit one, like `C-x h M-x write-region`? > Yuck! Users shouldn't need to use that command. At least, for this user here, it is what I would do if I ever needed to do that (and I think it's a fairly rare occurrence). >> I can't see any part of my above recipe which says that the user (me in >> this case, I was just trying things out, tho admittedly I disabled >> `enriched-mode` via the menu on the "Enriched" word in the mode line >> instead of via `M-x enriched-mode`) intended to remove the annotations. > That's what Emacs understood: I know but it very much surprised me, so I expect it could surprise other users just as well. Maybe `enriched-mode` should prompt the user to confirm that this is what they intend. And if they don't intend to do that, it could do what `enriched-toggle-markup` does. Similarly when enabling `enriched-mode` if it notices that the buffer is already in a valid format for decoding, it could prompt to decide whether to do the `enriched-toggle-markup` in reverse or to convert the buffer to enriched-mode like it currently does. > disabling Enriched means you give up on saving the faces and the other > annotations, I don't see any reason why the user should expect that. Obviously some users (e.g. you) would expect that, but since it throws away information it seems better not to make such an assumption. Usually our priority is to avoid throwing away information unless the user says so explicitly and I don't think that disabling a minor mode can be taken as a request to throw away information. > because Emacs never does that. E.g., if you save a buffer in CC mode > with all the faces set by font-lock, you don't expect the file on disk > to have any traces of those faces, right? I think this assumes too much knowledge on the part of the user about how `enriched-mode` works internally. Stefan From unknown Sat Jun 14 03:57:35 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#33855: 27.0.50; Can't see markup in HELLO Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 20 May 2022 19:08:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 33855 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo To: Stefan Monnier Cc: larsi@gnus.org, rpluim@gmail.com, 33855@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 33855-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B33855.165307367530682 (code B ref 33855); Fri, 20 May 2022 19:08:01 +0000 Received: (at 33855) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 May 2022 19:07:55 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40126 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ns7yc-0007yn-OH for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2022 15:07:54 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:57076) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ns7yY-0007yY-KF for 33855@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2022 15:07:53 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:33064) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ns7yS-0005oL-Nn; Fri, 20 May 2022 15:07:45 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=aiXKO2plYu0WCFFiRvcZvemQ4PXabYKB/37tVpgCEGE=; b=sFKtn5xx/45Q Ftvq/toSZrxEB36tybFthU9vF3oSTInN+Mws6z2IIoxGK71lEGRVXJ/bSqGqJWa7d28JdLEZHIPEW acbzHnT+Hf7WmmRgusT4U6rXiHN+oGubNzo+jwrNINYwW8DdhonDde/pQLAhoBHQuw/DCSkGLVeO8 Wd1AVQP+ygSr1Jy5uuW91g/56/QIxuEgPMHAptoI95qMTqys5JoeTDCtgZNqSrrGpsg7xVmUp9hro 2l1Axont9P47to/dmcnutrR0jrk8P5JA3WPCW9meR1lu0GthuIaAg16id7JSCAsNsiouBGTqQeIlN KFzbKMNEzhb/gh3m1IH5Hg==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=2621 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ns7yR-0003VI-AZ; Fri, 20 May 2022 15:07:44 -0400 Date: Fri, 20 May 2022 22:07:42 +0300 Message-Id: <83ee0o9g5d.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Monnier on Fri, 20 May 2022 14:56:43 -0400) References: <87czgbc7kg.fsf@gnus.org> <87wneizybf.fsf@gmail.com> <871qwp9kms.fsf@gnus.org> <83v8u09wep.fsf@gnu.org> <83o7zs9pcf.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Stefan Monnier > Cc: larsi@gnus.org, rpluim@gmail.com, 33855@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Fri, 20 May 2022 14:56:43 -0400 > > > because Emacs never does that. E.g., if you save a buffer in CC mode > > with all the faces set by font-lock, you don't expect the file on disk > > to have any traces of those faces, right? > > I think this assumes too much knowledge on the part of the user about > how `enriched-mode` works internally. Not at all. Enriched mode is the _only_ mode that is capable of preserving the faces when saving buffers to files. The documentation of Enriched mode spells that out at the beginning. I'm quite sure any Emacs user knows that faces are lost when you save a buffer to disk. From unknown Sat Jun 14 03:57:35 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#33855: 27.0.50; Can't see markup in HELLO Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 20 May 2022 20:57:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 33855 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: larsi@gnus.org, rpluim@gmail.com, 33855@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 33855-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B33855.16530802028792 (code B ref 33855); Fri, 20 May 2022 20:57:01 +0000 Received: (at 33855) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 May 2022 20:56:42 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40197 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ns9fu-0002Hk-Bd for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2022 16:56:42 -0400 Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:49519) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ns9fq-0002HU-IC for 33855@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2022 16:56:41 -0400 Received: from pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id EA0FA1006B0; Fri, 20 May 2022 16:56:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 508B4100163; Fri, 20 May 2022 16:56:27 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1653080187; bh=P9VhilNFZcusz0GRW1kLhAEFN0YgYnZBmDgctTOPcSE=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=iB2BAtbqV+ESTshD8g6Ec2iDxmFI2fpcE+FO65y7fv4DQ7tUxXtbTQy5Hp91aLdSD 0+xwgGRzJx+HICfD2PJ5RwjEO5eG7qDmS60NakdoafMGcrJ6dySa+SCij/Its1XwEP qNEyH3N5DEXVa8ot5I2Hp47AfFJH2gh24cEs2zXkPmbAjRmOFAlOJ9BTR0LdL1X1Hb e7ygfOLKvk0Qi21wKMJQ5dzj6YDWKK8iseQ07nkxtPSQ6kDqdtOJ/MFNi8whuZrdPZ M0lxt7EohXFouF1SmujvmJpHOjbzASS54CNgP0k3B3qgk3cFRyuD1w3ny28GhSwMCC SZqgt43D3NuqA== Received: from pastel (unknown [45.72.221.51]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 144C0120C94; Fri, 20 May 2022 16:56:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier Message-ID: References: <87czgbc7kg.fsf@gnus.org> <87wneizybf.fsf@gmail.com> <871qwp9kms.fsf@gnus.org> <83v8u09wep.fsf@gnu.org> <83o7zs9pcf.fsf@gnu.org> <83ee0o9g5d.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Fri, 20 May 2022 16:56:24 -0400 In-Reply-To: <83ee0o9g5d.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 20 May 2022 22:07:42 +0300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-SPAM-INFO: Spam detection results: 0 ALL_TRUSTED -1 Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP AWL -0.042 Adjusted score from AWL reputation of From: address BAYES_00 -1.9 Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% DKIM_SIGNED 0.1 Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid DKIM_VALID -0.1 Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature DKIM_VALID_AU -0.1 Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from author's domain T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE -0.01 - X-SPAM-LEVEL: X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) >> I think this assumes too much knowledge on the part of the user about >> how `enriched-mode` works internally. > Not at all. Enriched mode is the _only_ mode that is capable of > preserving the faces when saving buffers to files. The documentation > of Enriched mode spells that out at the beginning. So you're absolutely sure that I'm one of the very rarest of users who could fall into this trap? I still can't see why even if you're right it wouldn't be beneficial to merge `enriched-mode` with `enriched-toggle-markup` by prompting the users to know which behavior they want. When enabling `enriched-mode` we already prompt the user (to know what to do about hard/soft newlines). Stefan From unknown Sat Jun 14 03:57:35 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#33855: 27.0.50; Can't see markup in HELLO Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 21 May 2022 05:35:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 33855 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo To: Stefan Monnier Cc: larsi@gnus.org, rpluim@gmail.com, 33855@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 33855-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B33855.165311127412223 (code B ref 33855); Sat, 21 May 2022 05:35:02 +0000 Received: (at 33855) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 May 2022 05:34:34 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40536 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nsHl3-0003B5-VJ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 21 May 2022 01:34:34 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:41528) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nsHkz-0003An-4S for 33855@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 21 May 2022 01:34:32 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:46108) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nsHkt-0004tC-Nw; Sat, 21 May 2022 01:34:23 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=W+bqtP7btI6+KgXMk+XhTkSOGf9q7qXBdSTslWWAta0=; b=mgl+/AUWaE8K uuARJxm1ooQsZaa92vunR2Wgj+E0npkeqCjDxNWr9X+koVkHqOEYmYtz/oaQ+/PObtFF5yb7WsGf5 spYwnVXOE3PbMUkouN37DqbRp5CbeVAdQG3vtSOZ+b1OrNWp7qQQM/y+ntMNqa/1XGHIPYWCFZehZ sETFl4b9dRx+hJ5wZ8SiNde2CHsqnoSG0em+IazQlB0L+naqDUGcjKzDzs9WVAwnhXfFpk5MfvDlG Y5h4vuB2eE4lUGKU+bEJddLak1oOoW/54cFU0mFTlFH26ZTAQmyb/3lyS66IhcdjG7tcW4u/iVtgm XINKrA6Ikq1zGlp6XI7vww==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=4997 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nsHkt-00007q-0n; Sat, 21 May 2022 01:34:23 -0400 Date: Sat, 21 May 2022 08:34:23 +0300 Message-Id: <83czg7a1pc.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Monnier on Fri, 20 May 2022 16:56:24 -0400) References: <87czgbc7kg.fsf@gnus.org> <87wneizybf.fsf@gmail.com> <871qwp9kms.fsf@gnus.org> <83v8u09wep.fsf@gnu.org> <83o7zs9pcf.fsf@gnu.org> <83ee0o9g5d.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Stefan Monnier > Cc: larsi@gnus.org, rpluim@gmail.com, 33855@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Fri, 20 May 2022 16:56:24 -0400 > > I still can't see why even if you're right it wouldn't be beneficial to > merge `enriched-mode` with `enriched-toggle-markup` by prompting the users > to know which behavior they want. > > When enabling `enriched-mode` we already prompt the user (to know what > to do about hard/soft newlines). I don't think I have a clear idea what kind of prompt do you have in mind. Please tell more. 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Content preview: Stefan Monnier writes: > Looking a bit more into it, I wonder if 'enriched-toggle-markup' should > be merged with the `enriched-mode` command itself. > > Currently, doing something like: > > C-x C-f .../HELLO # Open an enri [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Stefan Monnier writes: > Looking a bit more into it, I wonder if 'enriched-toggle-markup' should > be merged with the `enriched-mode` command itself. > > Currently, doing something like: > > C-x C-f .../HELLO # Open an enriched-mode file > M-x enriched-mode # Disable enriched-mode > foobar # Insert arbitrary text > C-x C-s # Save > > throws away all the annotations without any warning. > > WDYT? (Then more discussion followed.) I don't really have much of an opinion here -- I think that enriched-mode is a weird thing to have as a minor mode. If you switch it on in a programming mode, and then save the file, you've destroyed the file -- silently. (You can often undestroyify it by loading it into Emacs, and then writing out the buffer text to a file, but would a user know that?) It's a thing that only makes sense as a major mode, inheriting from text mode, and it should have its own file ending, like HELLO.enriched. Fortunately, the only file in existence in the entire universe=E2=9E=80 tha= t uses this format (and minor mode) is etc/HELLO, so it's not a major issue (except for the file-destroying bit for unfortunate users, but fortunately most people don't know about it so they don't try to use it). =E2=9E=80 Fact not officially notarized. --=20 (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From unknown Sat Jun 14 03:57:35 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#33855: 27.0.50; Can't see markup in HELLO Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 21 May 2022 12:43:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 33855 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Cc: rpluim@gmail.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, 33855@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 33855-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B33855.16531369819110 (code B ref 33855); Sat, 21 May 2022 12:43:01 +0000 Received: (at 33855) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 May 2022 12:43:01 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40885 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nsORg-0002Ms-SQ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 21 May 2022 08:43:01 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:58310) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nsORd-0002MX-2M for 33855@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 21 May 2022 08:42:59 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:51728) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nsORX-0006sJ-5c; Sat, 21 May 2022 08:42:51 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=O1r1fay/59pMipxEHh+T2TWxRWt9Df5nwo+FIZelUv8=; b=bRJ1WYCAZ+BespYoYG6G ZYNRMC6vWc+BqJnVW0FxdwxF+SSw7wGdynqL3OilROBgWXcBgheaO7+s6JrOYrt2tGESMFBYCV72k fM8WaLvQibSg7V24GsQ7IYphLxPdyUCkraR9AM64Ypk81fNpeASkEtIU5kQD1EIDoc2m+09lINODK 4S4PxDd0oqrxfwP7Q/CuJBJQv4tKAf6HWOkVO8Z/trEilGkVbFW5GAtL60CstjMmP1dfxvbNDWzm8 r/WFh2cfQU8/IvLBPP0/Doeocs+LRPgJfIPTP9Tp0tBj8PNYEGuhAp1KojOysI9Lmnk2iz9bCdXpW RiDtWeEdeeD2BA==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=4469 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nsORW-0004oC-Kn; Sat, 21 May 2022 08:42:50 -0400 Date: Sat, 21 May 2022 15:42:41 +0300 Message-Id: <83leuv83b2.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <87mtfbyu5g.fsf@gnus.org> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Sat, 21 May 2022 13:58:19 +0200) References: <87czgbc7kg.fsf@gnus.org> <87wneizybf.fsf@gmail.com> <871qwp9kms.fsf@gnus.org> <87mtfbyu5g.fsf@gnus.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Cc: Robert Pluim , 33855@debbugs.gnu.org > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen > Date: Sat, 21 May 2022 13:58:19 +0200 > > Fortunately, the only file in existence in the entire universeāž€ that uses > this format (and minor mode) is etc/HELLO There's also etc/enriched.txt.