From unknown Tue Sep 09 00:07:17 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#33765: emacs-26.1-mac-7.4; (expt 2 140) ; produces 0 in scratch buffer, unexpectedly Resent-From: Van L Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2018 06:25:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 33765 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 33765@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.154494147925976 (code B ref -1); Sun, 16 Dec 2018 06:25:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Dec 2018 06:24:39 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49846 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gYPqx-0006ku-Lx for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2018 01:24:39 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:50967) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gYPqv-0006kg-QT for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; 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Sun, 16 Dec 2018 01:24:27 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 193.82.248.193 Received: from epi.local (193-82-248-193.tpgi.com.au [193.82.248.193]) (Authenticated sender: van@scratch.space) by relay2-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6B12340003 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2018 06:24:23 +0000 (UTC) From: Van L Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <15DD7597-AD89-4109-AC2F-4F66B1C9ECCD@scratch.space> Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2018 17:24:18 +1100 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.3 (----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.3 (-----) Hello, I was pushed to by reading the following to report this bug. =E2=94=8C=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80 =E2=94=82 In this business we speak the language of mathematics =E2=94=82 = https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/obituaries/evelyn-berezin-entrepreneu= r-and-engineer-who-designed-early-word-processor-dies-at-93/2018/12/13/20a= f4524-fee7-11e8-ad40-cdfd0e0dd65a_story.html =E2=94=94=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80 - ------------------------------------------------------------------ #+NAME: unexpected-result-in-scratch-buffer #+BEGIN_SRC emacs-lisp (expt 2 140) ; unexpected result is 0 #+END_SRC - ------------------------------------------------------------------ #+NAME: result-for-comparison Chez Scheme Version 9.5 Copyright 1984-2017 Cisco Systems, Inc. > (expt 2 140) 1393796574908163946345982392040522594123776 =20 From unknown Tue Sep 09 00:07:17 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#33765: emacs-26.1-mac-7.4; (expt 2 140) ; produces 0 in scratch buffer, unexpectedly Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2018 07:30:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 33765 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 33765@debbugs.gnu.org, van@scratch.space X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org,Van L ,33765@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 33765-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B33765.1544945373467 (code B ref 33765); Sun, 16 Dec 2018 07:30:01 +0000 Received: (at 33765) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Dec 2018 07:29:33 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49870 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gYQrl-00007T-3R for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; 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charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Eli Zaretskii Message-ID: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) On December 16, 2018 8:24:18 AM GMT+02:00, Van L wrot= e: > Hello, >=20 > I was pushed to by reading the following to report this bug=2E >=20 > =E2=94=8C=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80 > =E2=94=82 In this business we speak the language of mathematics > =E2=94=82 > https://www=2Ewashingtonpost=2Ecom/local/obituaries/evelyn-berezin-entre= preneur-and-engineer-who-designed-early-word-processor-dies-at-93/2018/12/1= 3/20af4524-fee7-11e8-ad40-cdfd0e0dd65a_story=2Ehtml > =E2=94=94=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80 >=20 >=20 > - ------------------------------------------------------------------ >=20 > #+NAME: unexpected-result-in-scratch-buffer > #+BEGIN_SRC emacs-lisp > (expt 2 140) ; unexpected result is 0 > #+END_SRC >=20 > - ------------------------------------------------------------------ >=20 > #+NAME: result-for-comparison >=20 > Chez Scheme Version 9=2E5 > Copyright 1984-2017 Cisco Systems, Inc=2E >=20 > > (expt 2 140) > 1393796574908163946345982392040522594123776 > =20 Why do you say this is unexpected? If you want the same support for huge numbers as in Scheme, try Emacs 27= =2E From unknown Tue Sep 09 00:07:17 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#33765: emacs-26.1-mac-7.4; (expt 2 140) ; produces 0 in scratch buffer, unexpectedly Resent-From: Van L Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2018 11:12:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 33765 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 33765@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-Cc: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, 33765@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.154495870622252 (code B ref -1); Sun, 16 Dec 2018 11:12:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Dec 2018 11:11:46 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49925 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gYUKn-0005mq-Rv for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2018 06:11:46 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:45942) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gYUKm-0005mc-PK for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2018 06:11:44 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gYUKh-0000bP-1w for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2018 06:11:39 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:55253) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gYUKg-0000bA-Uh for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2018 06:11:38 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:55551) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gYUKg-0004IY-9B for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2018 06:11:38 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gYUKd-0000Za-3H for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2018 06:11:38 -0500 Received: from relay5-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.197]:36259) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gYUKc-0000Yj-S8; Sun, 16 Dec 2018 06:11:35 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 193.82.248.193 Received: from epi.local (193-82-248-193.tpgi.com.au [193.82.248.193]) (Authenticated sender: van@scratch.space) by relay5-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 980351C0007; Sun, 16 Dec 2018 11:11:29 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: Van L In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2018 22:11:25 +1100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <5A2E0A67-042A-46AD-8883-44FE9E4F344D@scratch.space> References: <15DD7597-AD89-4109-AC2F-4F66B1C9ECCD@scratch.space> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.3 (----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.3 (-----) > Why do you say this is unexpected? I am not a mathematician but I believe the answer is wrong for 2^140. > If you want the same support for huge numbers as in Scheme, try Emacs = 27. I take that to mean the master branch but the emacs-mac repo-updates are = less freq. than gnu-emacs=E2=80=99s. Thanks.= From unknown Tue Sep 09 00:07:17 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#33765: emacs-26.1-mac-7.4; (expt 2 140) ; produces 0 in scratch buffer, unexpectedly Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2018 13:09:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 33765 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Van L Cc: 33765@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-Cc: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, 33765@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.15449656888819 (code B ref -1); Sun, 16 Dec 2018 13:09:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Dec 2018 13:08:08 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49969 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gYW9Q-0002I6-7e for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2018 08:08:08 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:40728) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gYW9N-0002HU-Ri for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2018 08:08:06 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gYW9I-0008Sx-1i for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2018 08:08:00 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:57419) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gYW9H-0008Si-So for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2018 08:07:59 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:50327) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gYW9G-0000al-W4 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2018 08:07:59 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gYW9G-0008RE-Ag for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2018 08:07:58 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:38976) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gYW9B-0008ME-1G; Sun, 16 Dec 2018 08:07:53 -0500 Received: from [109.253.215.53] (port=35450 helo=[10.132.200.202]) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1gYW9A-0005zT-FQ; Sun, 16 Dec 2018 08:07:52 -0500 Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2018 15:07:48 +0200 User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: <5A2E0A67-042A-46AD-8883-44FE9E4F344D@scratch.space> References: <15DD7597-AD89-4109-AC2F-4F66B1C9ECCD@scratch.space> <5A2E0A67-042A-46AD-8883-44FE9E4F344D@scratch.space> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Eli Zaretskii Message-ID: <5F8F2E1B-E446-421B-9FE0-FE1D391646D8@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) On December 16, 2018 1:11:25 PM GMT+02:00, Van L wrot= e: >=20 > > Why do you say this is unexpected? >=20 > I am not a mathematician but I believe the answer is wrong for 2^140=2E The correct value cannot be represented in an Emacs fixnum=2E What did yo= u expect Emacs to do? IOW, what would be the "expected" result, given the = limited range of integers we can represent? > > If you want the same support for huge numbers as in Scheme, try > Emacs 27=2E >=20 > I take that to mean the master branch but the emacs-mac repo-updates > are less freq=2E than gnu-emacs=E2=80=99s=2E Some features, such as this one, will not be available in older versions= =2E From unknown Tue Sep 09 00:07:17 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#33765: emacs-26.1-mac-7.4; (expt 2 140) ; produces 0 in scratch buffer, unexpectedly Resent-From: Van L Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2018 21:25:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 33765 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 33765@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-Cc: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, 33765@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.15449954831442 (code B ref -1); Sun, 16 Dec 2018 21:25:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Dec 2018 21:24:43 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50637 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gYdtz-0000NC-Ez for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2018 16:24:43 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:53441) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gYdtx-0000Mz-GR for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2018 16:24:41 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gYdtr-0003kK-Fm for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2018 16:24:36 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:38551) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gYdtr-0003k7-BT for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2018 16:24:35 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:34810) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gYdtq-0003Dq-Gu for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2018 16:24:35 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gYdtn-0003eY-4r for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2018 16:24:34 -0500 Received: from relay5-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.197]:59861) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gYdtm-0003bl-RZ; Sun, 16 Dec 2018 16:24:31 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 193.82.248.193 Received: from epi.local (193-82-248-193.tpgi.com.au [193.82.248.193]) (Authenticated sender: van@scratch.space) by relay5-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 00ED61C0002; Sun, 16 Dec 2018 21:24:25 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: Van L In-Reply-To: <5F8F2E1B-E446-421B-9FE0-FE1D391646D8@gnu.org> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2018 08:24:21 +1100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <43E34464-2321-49FF-9F87-0ABCFFF64CB0@scratch.space> References: <15DD7597-AD89-4109-AC2F-4F66B1C9ECCD@scratch.space> <5A2E0A67-042A-46AD-8883-44FE9E4F344D@scratch.space> <5F8F2E1B-E446-421B-9FE0-FE1D391646D8@gnu.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.3 (----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.3 (-----) >>> Why do you say this is unexpected? >>=20 >> I am not a mathematician but I believe the answer is wrong for 2^140. >=20 > The correct value cannot be represented in an Emacs fixnum. What did = you expect Emacs to do? IOW, what would be the "expected" result, given = the limited range of integers we can represent? I expect no answer and an error out with an informative explanation if = asked for, when Emacs is unable to do. >>> If you want the same support for huge numbers as in Scheme, try >> Emacs 27. >>=20 >> I take that to mean the master branch but the emacs-mac repo-updates >> are less freq. than gnu-emacs=E2=80=99s. >=20 > Some features, such as this one, will not be available in older = versions. A helpful place to explain the versioning policy would be a file in the = emacs/etc directory. Version 26 means stable, 27 means unstable is my guess. From unknown Tue Sep 09 00:07:17 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#33765: emacs-26.1-mac-7.4; (expt 2 140) ; produces 0 in scratch buffer, unexpectedly Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2018 15:54:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 33765 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Van L Cc: 33765@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 33765-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B33765.15450620223680 (code B ref 33765); Mon, 17 Dec 2018 15:54:01 +0000 Received: (at 33765) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Dec 2018 15:53:42 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51997 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gYvDC-0000xI-0c for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2018 10:53:42 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:59690) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gYvDA-0000x5-JI for 33765@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2018 10:53:40 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gYvD2-0003eF-5F for 33765@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2018 10:53:35 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:38725) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gYvD2-0003e5-1F; Mon, 17 Dec 2018 10:53:32 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3726 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1gYvD1-0005Ub-JC; Mon, 17 Dec 2018 10:53:31 -0500 Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2018 17:53:37 +0200 Message-Id: <83o99kdu9q.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <43E34464-2321-49FF-9F87-0ABCFFF64CB0@scratch.space> (message from Van L on Mon, 17 Dec 2018 08:24:21 +1100) References: <15DD7597-AD89-4109-AC2F-4F66B1C9ECCD@scratch.space> <5A2E0A67-042A-46AD-8883-44FE9E4F344D@scratch.space> <5F8F2E1B-E446-421B-9FE0-FE1D391646D8@gnu.org> <43E34464-2321-49FF-9F87-0ABCFFF64CB0@scratch.space> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) > From: Van L > Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2018 08:24:21 +1100 > Cc: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, > 33765@debbugs.gnu.org > > > The correct value cannot be represented in an Emacs fixnum. What did you expect Emacs to do? IOW, what would be the "expected" result, given the limited range of integers we can represent? > > I expect no answer and an error out with an informative explanation if asked for, when Emacs is unable to do. Since we already do better than that on the master branch (including signal an overflow error when even a bignum cannot represent the result), I think this bug is already solved and should be closed. > A helpful place to explain the versioning policy would be a file in the emacs/etc directory. > > Version 26 means stable, 27 means unstable is my guess. We don't have stable and unstable releases. We have a release branch and a development branch, and their roles are described in CONTRIBUTE. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Dec 17 11:49:20 2018 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Dec 2018 16:49:20 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52030 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gYw51-0002LO-TB for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2018 11:49:20 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:50128) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gYw50-0002LD-MC for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2018 11:49:18 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gYw4u-0006Pq-TQ for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2018 11:49:13 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:39991) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gYw4u-0006Pd-Ow for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2018 11:49:12 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1gYw4u-0004XI-Lk for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2018 11:49:12 -0500 Subject: control message for bug 33765 To: X-Mailer: mail (GNU Mailutils 2.99.98) Message-Id: From: Glenn Morris Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2018 11:49:12 -0500 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) close 33765 27.1