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26.1; Buffer-menu-mode bad UX

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From: Devon Sean McCullough <Emacs-Hacker2018 <at> jovi.net>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: 26.1; Buffer-menu-mode bad UX
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2018 10:06:48 +0800

When Buffer-menu-execute asks

	Buffer foo modified; kill anyway? (yes or no)

and the reply is no,
that line is removed anyway, deceiving the user
by making the buffer menu incorrect.

The user will promptly seek out such buffers — but they disappeared,
giving the distressing wrong impression that they were killed anyway.

Better keep the buffer menu accurate and show a helpful message like

	7 buffers killed, 1 modified buffer kept

to maintain harmony.

		Peace
			—Devon

    Je vous écris une longue lettre parce que je n'ai pas le temps d'en écrire une courte.
    	Les provinciales (1656) de Blaise Pascal

P.S. Sorry for not including a patch.

In GNU Emacs 26.1 (build 1, x86_64-apple-darwin14.5.0, NS appkit-1348.17 Version 10.10.5 (Build 14F2511))
 of 2018-05-31 built on builder10-10.porkrind.org
Windowing system distributor 'Apple', version 10.3.1404
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Wrote /ssh:pi <at> RaspberryPi.local|sudo:root <at> RaspberryPi.local:/etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
(New file)

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Message #8 received at 33669 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Devon Sean McCullough <Emacs-Hacker2018 <at> jovi.net>
Cc: 33669 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#33669: 26.1; Buffer-menu-mode bad UX
Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2018 13:07:42 +0200

> From: Devon Sean McCullough <Emacs-Hacker2018 <at> jovi.net>
> Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2018 10:06:48 +0800
> 
> When Buffer-menu-execute asks
> 
> 	Buffer foo modified; kill anyway? (yes or no)
> 
> and the reply is no,
> that line is removed anyway, deceiving the user
> by making the buffer menu incorrect.
> 
> The user will promptly seek out such buffers — but they disappeared,
> giving the distressing wrong impression that they were killed anyway.

Thanks for reporting this.  Does the patch below give good results?

diff --git a/lisp/buff-menu.el b/lisp/buff-menu.el
index bc1288a..95746b3 100644
--- a/lisp/buff-menu.el
+++ b/lisp/buff-menu.el
@@ -476,9 +476,10 @@ Buffer-menu-execute
 			 (tabulated-list-set-col 2 " " t))
 		     (error (warn "Error saving %s" buffer))))
 		 (if delete
-		     (unless (eq buffer (current-buffer))
-		       (kill-buffer buffer)
-		       (tabulated-list-delete-entry))
+		     (if (and (not (eq buffer (current-buffer)))
+                              (kill-buffer buffer))
+                         (tabulated-list-delete-entry)
+                       (forward-line 1))
 		   (forward-line 1)))))))))
 
 (defun Buffer-menu-select ()

Message #11 received at 33669 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Devon Sean McCullough <Emacs-Hacker2018 <at> jovi.net>
Cc: 33669 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#33669: 26.1; Buffer-menu-mode bad UX
Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2018 12:50:10 +0200

Ping!  Devon, could you please try the proposed fix?

> Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2018 13:07:42 +0200
> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
> Cc: 33669 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> 
> > From: Devon Sean McCullough <Emacs-Hacker2018 <at> jovi.net>
> > Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2018 10:06:48 +0800
> > 
> > When Buffer-menu-execute asks
> > 
> > 	Buffer foo modified; kill anyway? (yes or no)
> > 
> > and the reply is no,
> > that line is removed anyway, deceiving the user
> > by making the buffer menu incorrect.
> > 
> > The user will promptly seek out such buffers — but they disappeared,
> > giving the distressing wrong impression that they were killed anyway.
> 
> Thanks for reporting this.  Does the patch below give good results?
> 
> diff --git a/lisp/buff-menu.el b/lisp/buff-menu.el
> index bc1288a..95746b3 100644
> --- a/lisp/buff-menu.el
> +++ b/lisp/buff-menu.el
> @@ -476,9 +476,10 @@ Buffer-menu-execute
>  			 (tabulated-list-set-col 2 " " t))
>  		     (error (warn "Error saving %s" buffer))))
>  		 (if delete
> -		     (unless (eq buffer (current-buffer))
> -		       (kill-buffer buffer)
> -		       (tabulated-list-delete-entry))
> +		     (if (and (not (eq buffer (current-buffer)))
> +                              (kill-buffer buffer))
> +                         (tabulated-list-delete-entry)
> +                       (forward-line 1))
>  		   (forward-line 1)))))))))
>  
>  (defun Buffer-menu-select ()
> 
> 
> 
> 

Message #14 received at 33669 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Emacs-Hacker2018 <at> jovi.net
Cc: 33669 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#33669: 26.1; Buffer-menu-mode bad UX
Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2019 10:44:51 +0200

Ping!  Ping!  Devon, could you please try the proposed fix?

> Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2018 12:50:10 +0200
> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
> Cc: 33669 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> 
> Ping!  Devon, could you please try the proposed fix?
> 
> > Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2018 13:07:42 +0200
> > From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
> > Cc: 33669 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> > 
> > > From: Devon Sean McCullough <Emacs-Hacker2018 <at> jovi.net>
> > > Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2018 10:06:48 +0800
> > > 
> > > When Buffer-menu-execute asks
> > > 
> > > 	Buffer foo modified; kill anyway? (yes or no)
> > > 
> > > and the reply is no,
> > > that line is removed anyway, deceiving the user
> > > by making the buffer menu incorrect.
> > > 
> > > The user will promptly seek out such buffers — but they disappeared,
> > > giving the distressing wrong impression that they were killed anyway.
> > 
> > Thanks for reporting this.  Does the patch below give good results?
> > 
> > diff --git a/lisp/buff-menu.el b/lisp/buff-menu.el
> > index bc1288a..95746b3 100644
> > --- a/lisp/buff-menu.el
> > +++ b/lisp/buff-menu.el
> > @@ -476,9 +476,10 @@ Buffer-menu-execute
> >  			 (tabulated-list-set-col 2 " " t))
> >  		     (error (warn "Error saving %s" buffer))))
> >  		 (if delete
> > -		     (unless (eq buffer (current-buffer))
> > -		       (kill-buffer buffer)
> > -		       (tabulated-list-delete-entry))
> > +		     (if (and (not (eq buffer (current-buffer)))
> > +                              (kill-buffer buffer))
> > +                         (tabulated-list-delete-entry)
> > +                       (forward-line 1))
> >  		   (forward-line 1)))))))))
> >  
> >  (defun Buffer-menu-select ()
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> 

Message #19 received at 33669-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Devon Sean McCullough <Emacs-Hacker2018 <at> jovi.net>
Cc: 33669-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#33669: 26.1; Buffer-menu-mode bad UX
Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2019 13:53:28 +0200

> From: Devon Sean McCullough <Emacs-Hacker2018 <at> jovi.net>
> Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2019 10:36:22 -0500
> 
> > On Jan 5, 2019, at 3:44 AM, Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> wrote:
> > Ping!  Ping!  Devon, could you please try the proposed fix?
> 
> The original and patched versions both look problematic.  Instead, I had good results with
> 
> --- old/buff-menu.el	2019-01-05 10:26:45.000000000 -0500
> +++ new/buff-menu.el	2019-01-05 10:27:23.000000000 -0500
> @@ -475,10 +475,10 @@
>  			   (save-buffer))
>  			 (tabulated-list-set-col 2 " " t))
>  		     (error (warn "Error saving %s" buffer))))
> -		 (if delete
> -		     (unless (eq buffer (current-buffer))
> -		       (kill-buffer buffer)
> -		       (tabulated-list-delete-entry))
> +		 (if (and delete
> +			  (not (eq buffer (current-buffer)))
> +                          (kill-buffer buffer))
> +                     (tabulated-list-delete-entry)
>  		   (forward-line 1)))))))))
>  
>  (defun Buffer-menu-select ()
> 

Thanks, pushed to the emacs-26 branch.

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