From unknown Sat Jun 21 05:19:43 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#33450: 26.1.90; NEWS entry for dired 'Z' is inaccurate Resent-From: Mike Kupfer Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2018 03:40:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 33450 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 33450@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.15427715666158 (code B ref -1); Wed, 21 Nov 2018 03:40:01 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Nov 2018 03:39:26 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37638 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gPJML-0001bG-Md for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 22:39:26 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:38428) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gPJMK-0001b3-1P for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 22:39:24 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gPJMD-0003JJ-Nt for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 22:39:18 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:32898) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gPJMD-0003JB-L6 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 22:39:17 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:48027) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gPJMC-0006Bp-Ax for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 22:39:17 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gPJM9-00039a-5Q for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 22:39:16 -0500 Received: from shell1.rawbw.com ([198.144.192.42]:42360) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gPJM8-00037W-Sp for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 22:39:13 -0500 Received: from alto (96-95-200-133-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [96.95.200.133]) (authenticated bits=0) by shell1.rawbw.com (8.15.1/8.15.1) with ESMTPSA id wAL3d5Ll000791 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 19:39:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mkupfer@alum.berkeley.edu) X-Authentication-Warning: shell1.rawbw.com: Host 96-95-200-133-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [96.95.200.133] claimed to be alto From: Mike Kupfer X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6+git; nmh 1.6; GNU Emacs 26.1.90 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <32296.1542771545.1@alto> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2018 19:39:05 -0800 Message-ID: <32297.1542771545@alto> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: FreeBSD 9.x [fuzzy] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) The 26.1.90 NEWS file has this (new) entry for Dired: *** The 'Z' command on a directory name compresses all of its files. It produces a compressed '.tar.gz' archive with all the files in the directory and all of its subdirectories. For symmetry, 'Z' on a '.tar.gz' or a '.tgz' archive extracts all the archived files into a directory whose name is the archive name sans the '.tar.gz' or '.tgz' extension. (This change was actually made in Emacs 26.1, but was not called out in its NEWS.) The description of the unpacking case implies that the user will see the described behavior for any .tar.gz or .tgz file. In reality, 'Z' simply unpacks the archive. The described behavior only happens if the archive is structured in a canonical way, e.g., if 'Z' was used to create the .tar.gz file. The wording should be changed, so as not to mislead the user about what 'Z' does. A user who misunderstands what 'Z' does could lose data due to unanticipated overwrite when the archive is unpacked. (Note that the docstring for dired-do-compress says nothing about creating or unpacking archive files.) Also, and less important, I got the impression from the discussion on emacs-devel that this feature was partially introduced in Emacs 25. Wasn't the change in 26.1 just to make .tar.gz and .tgz behave the same? I'm not sure it's worth trying to be that precise in the NEWS entry, but I thought I'd mention it. regards, mike In GNU Emacs 26.1.90 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, X toolkit, Xaw scroll = bars) of 2018-11-19 built on alto Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.11902000 System Description: Debian GNU/Linux 9.6 (stretch) Recent messages: Saving file /home/kupfer/.newsrc.eld... Wrote /home/kupfer/.newsrc.eld Saving /home/kupfer/.newsrc.eld...done fetchmail: background fetchmail at 2089 awakened. Scanning +inbox...done No messages in +inbox, range (all) setting password recognizer Please type y or n: y View mode: type for help, h for commands, q to quit. 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NEWS entry for dired 'Z' is inaccurate Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2018 09:24:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 33450 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Mike Kupfer Cc: 33450@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 33450-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B33450.154279219921183 (code B ref 33450); Wed, 21 Nov 2018 09:24:01 +0000 Received: (at 33450) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Nov 2018 09:23:19 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37784 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gPOj9-0005Vb-8O for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 04:23:19 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:55936) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gPOj8-0005VP-DH for 33450@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 04:23:18 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gPOiy-0005s1-Eu for 33450@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 04:23:13 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:42836) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gPOix-0005q5-II; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 04:23:08 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4041 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1gPOix-0002GR-5b; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 04:23:07 -0500 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2018 11:23:17 +0200 Message-Id: <835zwqiy2i.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <32297.1542771545@alto> (message from Mike Kupfer on Tue, 20 Nov 2018 19:39:05 -0800) References: <32297.1542771545@alto> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) > From: Mike Kupfer > Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2018 19:39:05 -0800 > > The 26.1.90 NEWS file has this (new) entry for Dired: > > *** The 'Z' command on a directory name compresses all of its files. > It produces a compressed '.tar.gz' archive with all the files in the > directory and all of its subdirectories. For symmetry, 'Z' on a > '.tar.gz' or a '.tgz' archive extracts all the archived files into a > directory whose name is the archive name sans the '.tar.gz' or '.tgz' > extension. (This change was actually made in Emacs 26.1, but was not > called out in its NEWS.) > > The description of the unpacking case implies that the user will see the > described behavior for any .tar.gz or .tgz file. In reality, 'Z' simply > unpacks the archive. The described behavior only happens if the archive > is structured in a canonical way, e.g., if 'Z' was used to create the > .tar.gz file. > > The wording should be changed, so as not to mislead the user about what > 'Z' does. A user who misunderstands what 'Z' does could lose data due > to unanticipated overwrite when the archive is unpacked. (Note that the > docstring for dired-do-compress says nothing about creating or unpacking > archive files.) I don't think I understand. Are you alluding to the case when the archive includes absolute file names, or file names that raise above the directory where the archive lives? Or do you have some other case in mind? > Also, and less important, I got the impression from the discussion on > emacs-devel that this feature was partially introduced in Emacs 25. > Wasn't the change in 26.1 just to make .tar.gz and .tgz behave the same? > I'm not sure it's worth trying to be that precise in the NEWS entry, but > I thought I'd mention it. You mean, say that some of the feature was available since Emacs 25? I don't think it's important, no. From unknown Sat Jun 21 05:19:43 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#33450: 26.1.90; NEWS entry for dired 'Z' is inaccurate References: <32297.1542771545@alto> Resent-From: Mike Kupfer Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2018 14:52:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 33450 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 33450@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 33450-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B33450.154281186213938 (code B ref 33450); Wed, 21 Nov 2018 14:52:02 +0000 Received: (at 33450) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Nov 2018 14:51:02 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38017 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gPTqI-0003ca-98 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 09:51:02 -0500 Received: from shell1.rawbw.com ([198.144.192.42]:47995 ident=root) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gPTqE-0003cE-VB for 33450@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 09:50:59 -0500 Received: from alto (96-95-200-133-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [96.95.200.133]) (authenticated bits=0) by shell1.rawbw.com (8.15.1/8.15.1) with ESMTPSA id wALEopVU071188 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 21 Nov 2018 06:50:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mkupfer@alum.berkeley.edu) X-Authentication-Warning: shell1.rawbw.com: Host 96-95-200-133-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [96.95.200.133] claimed to be alto From: Mike Kupfer In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 21 Nov 2018 11:23:17 +0200." <835zwqiy2i.fsf@gnu.org> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6+git; nmh 1.6; GNU Emacs 26.1.90 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <15705.1542811851.1@alto> Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2018 06:50:51 -0800 Message-ID: <15706.1542811851@alto> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > The 26.1.90 NEWS file has this (new) entry for Dired: > > > > *** The 'Z' command on a directory name compresses all of its files. > > It produces a compressed '.tar.gz' archive with all the files in the > > directory and all of its subdirectories. For symmetry, 'Z' on a > > '.tar.gz' or a '.tgz' archive extracts all the archived files into a > > directory whose name is the archive name sans the '.tar.gz' or '.tgz' > > extension. (This change was actually made in Emacs 26.1, but was not > > called out in its NEWS.) > > > > The description of the unpacking case implies that the user will see the > > described behavior for any .tar.gz or .tgz file. In reality, 'Z' simply > > unpacks the archive. The described behavior only happens if the archive > > is structured in a canonical way, e.g., if 'Z' was used to create the > > .tar.gz file. > > > > The wording should be changed, so as not to mislead the user about what > > 'Z' does. A user who misunderstands what 'Z' does could lose data due > > to unanticipated overwrite when the archive is unpacked. (Note that the > > docstring for dired-do-compress says nothing about creating or unpacking > > archive files.) > > I don't think I understand. Are you alluding to the case when the > archive includes absolute file names, or file names that raise above > the directory where the archive lives? Or do you have some other case > in mind? The case I have in mind is where the contents of the archive are unrelated to the name of the archive. No absolute path or .. is involved. For example: $ ls foo.tar.gz $ tar tfz foo.tar.gz a b c # uncompress foo.tar.gz with 'Z' $ ls a b c foo.tar.gz $ Based on the NEWS entry, a directory "foo" should have been created and populated with a, b, and c. But that's not what happens, at least not on my GNU/Linux system (Debian 9). mike From unknown Sat Jun 21 05:19:43 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#33450: 26.1.90; NEWS entry for dired 'Z' is inaccurate Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2018 15:14:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 33450 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Mike Kupfer Cc: 33450@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 33450-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B33450.154281318117743 (code B ref 33450); Wed, 21 Nov 2018 15:14:02 +0000 Received: (at 33450) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Nov 2018 15:13:01 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39891 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gPUBZ-0004c3-Bx for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 10:13:01 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:36734) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gPUBY-0004bp-LD for 33450@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 10:13:00 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gPUBO-0004AX-OJ for 33450@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 10:12:55 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:49574) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gPUBO-0004A6-LB; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 10:12:50 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2478 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1gPUBO-0005oJ-8c; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 10:12:50 -0500 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2018 17:13:01 +0200 Message-Id: <83tvkah3b6.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <15706.1542811851@alto> (message from Mike Kupfer on Wed, 21 Nov 2018 06:50:51 -0800) References: <15706.1542811851@alto> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) > From: Mike Kupfer > cc: 33450@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2018 06:50:51 -0800 > > $ ls > foo.tar.gz > $ tar tfz foo.tar.gz > a > b > c > # uncompress foo.tar.gz with 'Z' > $ ls > a b c foo.tar.gz > $ > > Based on the NEWS entry, a directory "foo" should have been created and > populated with a, b, and c. But that's not what happens, at least not > on my GNU/Linux system (Debian 9). Thanks, I modified the text in the Git repository to make it more accurate; please take a look. From unknown Sat Jun 21 05:19:43 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#33450: 26.1.90; NEWS entry for dired 'Z' is inaccurate References: <32297.1542771545@alto> Resent-From: Mike Kupfer Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2018 15:22:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 33450 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 33450@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 33450-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B33450.154281371718591 (code B ref 33450); Wed, 21 Nov 2018 15:22:02 +0000 Received: (at 33450) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Nov 2018 15:21:57 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39897 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gPUKD-0004pn-8t for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 10:21:57 -0500 Received: from shell1.rawbw.com ([198.144.192.42]:20516 ident=root) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gPUKB-0004pf-Cg for 33450@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 10:21:55 -0500 Received: from alto (96-95-200-133-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [96.95.200.133]) (authenticated bits=0) by shell1.rawbw.com (8.15.1/8.15.1) with ESMTPSA id wALFLmQ3073863 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 21 Nov 2018 07:21:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mkupfer@alum.berkeley.edu) X-Authentication-Warning: shell1.rawbw.com: Host 96-95-200-133-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [96.95.200.133] claimed to be alto From: Mike Kupfer In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 21 Nov 2018 17:13:01 +0200." <83tvkah3b6.fsf@gnu.org> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6+git; nmh 1.6; GNU Emacs 26.1.90 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <19964.1542813708.1@alto> Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2018 07:21:48 -0800 Message-ID: <19965.1542813708@alto> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii wrote: > Thanks, I modified the text in the Git repository to make it more > accurate; please take a look. Looks good. Thanks! mike From unknown Sat Jun 21 05:19:43 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.505 (Entity 5.505) X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (GNU bug Tracking System) To: Mike Kupfer Subject: bug#33450: closed (Re: bug#33450: 26.1.90; NEWS entry for dired 'Z' is inaccurate) Message-ID: References: <83r2feh23a.fsf@gnu.org> <32297.1542771545@alto> X-Gnu-PR-Message: they-closed 33450 X-Gnu-PR-Package: emacs Reply-To: 33450@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2018 15:40:03 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1542814803-20247-1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1542814803-20247-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Your bug report #33450: 26.1.90; NEWS entry for dired 'Z' is inaccurate which was filed against the emacs package, has been closed. The explanation is attached below, along with your original report. If you require more details, please reply to 33450@debbugs.gnu.org. --=20 33450: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D33450 GNU Bug Tracking System Contact help-debbugs@gnu.org with problems ------------=_1542814803-20247-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at 33450-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Nov 2018 15:39:20 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39908 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gPUb2-0005Ff-H7 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 10:39:20 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:46914) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gPUb0-0005FQ-I6 for 33450-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 10:39:18 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gPUas-0002qp-3z for 33450-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 10:39:13 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:50105) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gPUas-0002ql-1P; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 10:39:10 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4105 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1gPUar-0006SL-Lv; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 10:39:09 -0500 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2018 17:39:21 +0200 Message-Id: <83r2feh23a.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Mike Kupfer In-reply-to: <19965.1542813708@alto> (message from Mike Kupfer on Wed, 21 Nov 2018 07:21:48 -0800) Subject: Re: bug#33450: 26.1.90; NEWS entry for dired 'Z' is inaccurate References: <19965.1542813708@alto> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33450-done Cc: 33450-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) > From: Mike Kupfer > cc: 33450@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2018 07:21:48 -0800 > > Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > Thanks, I modified the text in the Git repository to make it more > > accurate; please take a look. > > Looks good. Thanks! Thanks, I'm therefore closing this bug. ------------=_1542814803-20247-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Nov 2018 03:39:26 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37638 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gPJML-0001bG-Md for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 22:39:26 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:38428) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gPJMK-0001b3-1P for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 22:39:24 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gPJMD-0003JJ-Nt for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 22:39:18 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:32898) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gPJMD-0003JB-L6 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 22:39:17 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:48027) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gPJMC-0006Bp-Ax for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 22:39:17 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gPJM9-00039a-5Q for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 22:39:16 -0500 Received: from shell1.rawbw.com ([198.144.192.42]:42360) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gPJM8-00037W-Sp for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 22:39:13 -0500 Received: from alto (96-95-200-133-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [96.95.200.133]) (authenticated bits=0) by shell1.rawbw.com (8.15.1/8.15.1) with ESMTPSA id wAL3d5Ll000791 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 19:39:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mkupfer@alum.berkeley.edu) X-Authentication-Warning: shell1.rawbw.com: Host 96-95-200-133-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [96.95.200.133] claimed to be alto From: Mike Kupfer To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 26.1.90; NEWS entry for dired 'Z' is inaccurate X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6+git; nmh 1.6; GNU Emacs 26.1.90 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <32296.1542771545.1@alto> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2018 19:39:05 -0800 Message-ID: <32297.1542771545@alto> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: FreeBSD 9.x [fuzzy] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) The 26.1.90 NEWS file has this (new) entry for Dired: *** The 'Z' command on a directory name compresses all of its files. It produces a compressed '.tar.gz' archive with all the files in the directory and all of its subdirectories. For symmetry, 'Z' on a '.tar.gz' or a '.tgz' archive extracts all the archived files into a directory whose name is the archive name sans the '.tar.gz' or '.tgz' extension. (This change was actually made in Emacs 26.1, but was not called out in its NEWS.) The description of the unpacking case implies that the user will see the described behavior for any .tar.gz or .tgz file. In reality, 'Z' simply unpacks the archive. The described behavior only happens if the archive is structured in a canonical way, e.g., if 'Z' was used to create the .tar.gz file. The wording should be changed, so as not to mislead the user about what 'Z' does. A user who misunderstands what 'Z' does could lose data due to unanticipated overwrite when the archive is unpacked. (Note that the docstring for dired-do-compress says nothing about creating or unpacking archive files.) Also, and less important, I got the impression from the discussion on emacs-devel that this feature was partially introduced in Emacs 25. Wasn't the change in 26.1 just to make .tar.gz and .tgz behave the same? I'm not sure it's worth trying to be that precise in the NEWS entry, but I thought I'd mention it. regards, mike In GNU Emacs 26.1.90 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, X toolkit, Xaw scroll = bars) of 2018-11-19 built on alto Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.11902000 System Description: Debian GNU/Linux 9.6 (stretch) Recent messages: Saving file /home/kupfer/.newsrc.eld... Wrote /home/kupfer/.newsrc.eld Saving /home/kupfer/.newsrc.eld...done fetchmail: background fetchmail at 2089 awakened. Scanning +inbox...done No messages in +inbox, range (all) setting password recognizer Please type y or n: y View mode: type for help, h for commands, q to quit. 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NEWS entry for dired 'Z' is inaccurate Resent-From: Glenn Morris Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2018 18:24:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 33450 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Mike Kupfer Cc: 33450@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 33450-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B33450.154282463018453 (code B ref 33450); Wed, 21 Nov 2018 18:24:01 +0000 Received: (at 33450) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Nov 2018 18:23:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40063 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gPXAE-0004nY-Fz for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 13:23:50 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:51125) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gPXAC-0004nL-54 for 33450@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 13:23:48 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gPXA5-0002ay-QK for 33450@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 13:23:42 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:53790) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gPXA3-0002Xa-6X; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 13:23:39 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1gPXA3-0004dx-2k; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 13:23:39 -0500 From: Glenn Morris References: <32297.1542771545@alto> X-Spook: Drug SBI DNDO MD5 National Guard bemd China Al-Shabaab X-Ran: Pr9faH@}T-I>$@JFS:[U0paJ X-Hue: black X-Attribution: GM Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2018 13:23:38 -0500 In-Reply-To: <32297.1542771545@alto> (Mike Kupfer's message of "Tue, 20 Nov 2018 19:39:05 -0800") Message-ID: <8z5zwqi91x.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) Mike Kupfer wrote: > Also, and less important, I got the impression from the discussion on > emacs-devel that this feature was partially introduced in Emacs 25. > Wasn't the change in 26.1 just to make .tar.gz and .tgz behave the same? Yes, .tar.gz is extracted in eg Emacs 25.3 but tgz isn't. > (Note that the docstring for dired-do-compress says nothing about > creating or unpacking archive files.) Indeed. One might also ask about tar.xz, tar.bz2, cpio, rar, etc. From unknown Sat Jun 21 05:19:43 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#33450: 26.1.90; NEWS entry for dired 'Z' is inaccurate Resent-From: Glenn Morris Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2018 20:25:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 33450 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Mike Kupfer Cc: 33450@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 33450-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B33450.15428318955058 (code B ref 33450); Wed, 21 Nov 2018 20:25:01 +0000 Received: (at 33450) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Nov 2018 20:24:55 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40190 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gPZ3P-0001JW-0f for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 15:24:55 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:41637) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gPZ3N-0001JJ-Ep for 33450@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 15:24:53 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gPZ3H-00021J-Mm for 33450@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 15:24:48 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:56669) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gPZ3G-00020I-9V; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 15:24:46 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1gPZ3G-0007jP-5d; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 15:24:46 -0500 From: Glenn Morris References: <32297.1542771545@alto> <8z5zwqi91x.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> X-Spook: El Paso Smuggling Violence enigma Infection Crypto AG X-Ran: F]P2`/dO!Q$*r@t)h[Z|o[z|,m X-Hue: red X-Attribution: GM Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2018 15:24:46 -0500 In-Reply-To: <8z5zwqi91x.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (Glenn Morris's message of "Wed, 21 Nov 2018 13:23:38 -0500") Message-ID: <7j8t1mnppt.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) Glenn Morris wrote: > Mike Kupfer wrote: > >> Also, and less important, I got the impression from the discussion on >> emacs-devel that this feature was partially introduced in Emacs 25. >> Wasn't the change in 26.1 just to make .tar.gz and .tgz behave the same? > > Yes, .tar.gz is extracted in eg Emacs 25.3 but tgz isn't. And indeed NEWS.25 says "The command 'dired-do-compress', bound to 'Z', now can compress directories", so NEWS.26 is duplicating that. From unknown Sat Jun 21 05:19:43 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#33450: 26.1.90; NEWS entry for dired 'Z' is inaccurate Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2018 22:32:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 33450 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Glenn Morris Cc: 33450@debbugs.gnu.org, mkupfer@alum.berkeley.edu Received: via spool by 33450-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B33450.154283950117437 (code B ref 33450); Wed, 21 Nov 2018 22:32:02 +0000 Received: (at 33450) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Nov 2018 22:31:41 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40304 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gPb24-0004XB-Qz for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 17:31:40 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:55054) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gPb23-0004Wx-EV for 33450@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 17:31:39 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gPb1v-0003aM-1N for 33450@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 17:31:34 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:59288) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gPb1p-0003Px-5X; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 17:31:26 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1655 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1gPb1o-0003KC-N8; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 17:31:25 -0500 Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2018 00:31:37 +0200 Message-Id: <83muq2gj06.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <7j8t1mnppt.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (message from Glenn Morris on Wed, 21 Nov 2018 15:24:46 -0500) References: <32297.1542771545@alto> <8z5zwqi91x.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <7j8t1mnppt.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) > From: Glenn Morris > Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2018 15:24:46 -0500 > Cc: 33450@debbugs.gnu.org > > And indeed NEWS.25 says "The command 'dired-do-compress', bound to 'Z', > now can compress directories", so NEWS.26 is duplicating that. I see no harm in that, as the NEWS.26 text is more complete and accurate (it talks about decompression as well, for starters). From unknown Sat Jun 21 05:19:43 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#33450: 26.1.90; NEWS entry for dired 'Z' is inaccurate Resent-From: Glenn Morris Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2018 18:20:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 33450 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 33450@debbugs.gnu.org, mkupfer@alum.berkeley.edu Received: via spool by 33450-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B33450.154291074618836 (code B ref 33450); Thu, 22 Nov 2018 18:20:01 +0000 Received: (at 33450) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Nov 2018 18:19:06 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42619 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gPtZB-0004tk-T0 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 22 Nov 2018 13:19:06 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:40353) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gPtZ9-0004tD-LW for 33450@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 22 Nov 2018 13:19:04 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gPtZ3-0007oP-O7 for 33450@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 22 Nov 2018 13:18:58 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:53042) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gPtZ1-0007jS-Va; Thu, 22 Nov 2018 13:18:56 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1gPtZ0-0004E9-Q0; Thu, 22 Nov 2018 13:18:54 -0500 From: Glenn Morris References: <32297.1542771545@alto> <8z5zwqi91x.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <7j8t1mnppt.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83muq2gj06.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spook: JFK MP5K-SD CBNRC Janet Reno Israel halcon Vickie Weaver X-Ran: a533YKrMM"G2\m\TEe4m6^y`?`F>=gxF[J97e~MIw~HAka-{+n0S6VXP#j))MS]<3=O)\8 X-Hue: brightgreen X-Attribution: GM Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2018 13:18:54 -0500 In-Reply-To: <83muq2gj06.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 22 Nov 2018 00:31:37 +0200") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> And indeed NEWS.25 says "The command 'dired-do-compress', bound to 'Z', >> now can compress directories", so NEWS.26 is duplicating that. > > I see no harm in that, as the NEWS.26 text is more complete and > accurate (it talks about decompression as well, for starters). I find this odd. 95% of the 'Z' NEWS.26 entry is true in Emacs 25.1 (by experiment). The only thing that's different in 26.1 is the .tgz treatment. This hardly seems NEWS-worthy. If you for some reason want to keep the expanded entry in NEWS.26, it should at least be corrected to say "This change was actually made in Emacs 25.1, but the NEWS entry was too terse" (or however you want to justfiy re-visiting it). It is incorrect to say "This change was actually made in Emacs 26.1". But I think it would be better to move your description from NEWS to the doc string. From unknown Sat Jun 21 05:19:43 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#33450: 26.1.90; NEWS entry for dired 'Z' is inaccurate Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2018 19:06:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 33450 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Glenn Morris Cc: 33450@debbugs.gnu.org, mkupfer@alum.berkeley.edu Received: via spool by 33450-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B33450.154291355723903 (code B ref 33450); Thu, 22 Nov 2018 19:06:01 +0000 Received: (at 33450) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Nov 2018 19:05:57 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42657 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gPuIX-0006DR-CA for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 22 Nov 2018 14:05:57 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:55541) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gPuIV-0006DA-Pc for 33450@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 22 Nov 2018 14:05:55 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gPuIM-0006VN-J5 for 33450@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 22 Nov 2018 14:05:50 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:54101) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gPuIM-0006VE-G4; Thu, 22 Nov 2018 14:05:46 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2385 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1gPuIM-0005Og-23; Thu, 22 Nov 2018 14:05:46 -0500 Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2018 21:05:59 +0200 Message-Id: <83ftvtgcfc.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: (message from Glenn Morris on Thu, 22 Nov 2018 13:18:54 -0500) References: <32297.1542771545@alto> <8z5zwqi91x.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <7j8t1mnppt.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83muq2gj06.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) > From: Glenn Morris > Cc: mkupfer@alum.berkeley.edu, 33450@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2018 13:18:54 -0500 > > Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > >> And indeed NEWS.25 says "The command 'dired-do-compress', bound to 'Z', > >> now can compress directories", so NEWS.26 is duplicating that. > > > > I see no harm in that, as the NEWS.26 text is more complete and > > accurate (it talks about decompression as well, for starters). > > I find this odd. > 95% of the 'Z' NEWS.26 entry is true in Emacs 25.1 (by experiment). > The only thing that's different in 26.1 is the .tgz treatment. > This hardly seems NEWS-worthy. > > If you for some reason want to keep the expanded entry in NEWS.26, it > should at least be corrected to say "This change was actually made in > Emacs 25.1, but the NEWS entry was too terse" (or however you want to > justfiy re-visiting it). It is incorrect to say "This change was > actually made in Emacs 26.1". > > But I think it would be better to move your description from NEWS to the > doc string. Done. From unknown Sat Jun 21 05:19:43 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#33450: 26.1.90; NEWS entry for dired 'Z' is inaccurate Resent-From: Richard Stallman Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2018 23:18:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 33450 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Glenn Morris Cc: 33450@debbugs.gnu.org, mkupfer@alum.berkeley.edu Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Received: via spool by 33450-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B33450.154292864527905 (code B ref 33450); Thu, 22 Nov 2018 23:18:02 +0000 Received: (at 33450) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Nov 2018 23:17:25 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42805 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gPyDt-0007G1-In for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 22 Nov 2018 18:17:25 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:41372) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gPyDq-0007Fj-EF for 33450@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 22 Nov 2018 18:17:23 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gPyDk-00022B-BM for 33450@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 22 Nov 2018 18:17:17 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:59547) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gPyDi-0001wb-OW; Thu, 22 Nov 2018 18:17:14 -0500 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1gPyDi-0003S5-Fw; Thu, 22 Nov 2018 18:17:14 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman In-Reply-To: <7j8t1mnppt.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (message from Glenn Morris on Wed, 21 Nov 2018 15:24:46 -0500) References: <32297.1542771545@alto> <8z5zwqi91x.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <7j8t1mnppt.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> Message-Id: Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2018 18:17:14 -0500 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] I think it was a mistake to make Z operate on directories, and a mistake to think of to creating an archive as "compression". It would be better to use A as a command to pack and unpack archives. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (https://gnu.org, https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) From unknown Sat Jun 21 05:19:43 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#33450: 26.1.90; NEWS entry for dired 'Z' is inaccurate Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2018 08:38:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 33450 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: rms@gnu.org Cc: rgm@gnu.org, 33450@debbugs.gnu.org, mkupfer@alum.berkeley.edu Received: via spool by 33450-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B33450.154296223313079 (code B ref 33450); Fri, 23 Nov 2018 08:38:02 +0000 Received: (at 33450) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Nov 2018 08:37:13 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42982 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gQ6xd-0003Os-E4 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Nov 2018 03:37:13 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:33868) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gQ6xc-0003Of-TA for 33450@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Nov 2018 03:37:13 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gQ6xX-0007Tv-6f for 33450@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Nov 2018 03:37:07 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:40530) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gQ6xR-0006ut-Me; Fri, 23 Nov 2018 03:37:01 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4633 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1gQ6xG-0006GG-5l; Fri, 23 Nov 2018 03:36:52 -0500 Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2018 10:37:06 +0200 Message-Id: <835zwogpfx.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: (message from Richard Stallman on Thu, 22 Nov 2018 18:17:14 -0500) References: <32297.1542771545@alto> <8z5zwqi91x.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <7j8t1mnppt.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) > From: Richard Stallman > Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2018 18:17:14 -0500 > Cc: 33450@debbugs.gnu.org, mkupfer@alum.berkeley.edu > > I think it was a mistake to make Z operate on directories, > and a mistake to think of to creating an archive as "compression". > > It would be better to use A as a command to pack and unpack > archives. I agree, and wrote as much in the discussion. But I'm not going to work on that any time soon, and meanwhile we should have our documentation describe what this command does in enough detail for users not to be surprised. From unknown Sat Jun 21 05:19:43 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#33450: 26.1.90; NEWS entry for dired 'Z' is inaccurate Resent-From: Richard Stallman Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2018 00:11:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 33450 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: rgm@gnu.org, 33450@debbugs.gnu.org, mkupfer@alum.berkeley.edu Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Received: via spool by 33450-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B33450.154301823716975 (code B ref 33450); Sat, 24 Nov 2018 00:11:02 +0000 Received: (at 33450) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Nov 2018 00:10:37 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44647 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gQLWv-0004Pj-7a for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Nov 2018 19:10:37 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:53269) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gQLWt-0004PU-Cr for 33450@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Nov 2018 19:10:35 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gQLWn-0005ex-1M for 33450@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Nov 2018 19:10:29 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:45214) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gQLWm-0005eH-SM; Fri, 23 Nov 2018 19:10:28 -0500 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1gQLWm-0002Gz-HY; Fri, 23 Nov 2018 19:10:28 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman In-Reply-To: <835zwogpfx.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Fri, 23 Nov 2018 10:37:06 +0200) References: <32297.1542771545@alto> <8z5zwqi91x.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <7j8t1mnppt.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <835zwogpfx.fsf@gnu.org> Message-Id: Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2018 19:10:28 -0500 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > I agree, and wrote as much in the discussion. But I'm not going to > work on that any time soon, and meanwhile we should have our > documentation describe what this command does in enough detail for > users not to be surprised. I won't dispute that. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (https://gnu.org, https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)