From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Nov 15 07:58:44 2018 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Nov 2018 12:58:44 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53093 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gNHEJ-00070t-VJ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Nov 2018 07:58:44 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:53380) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gNHEI-00070g-Mc for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Nov 2018 07:58:43 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gNHEC-0002CP-Sk for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Nov 2018 07:58:37 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:41078) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gNHEC-0002CD-Pv for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Nov 2018 07:58:36 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:34717) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gNHE8-0006Lk-M7 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 15 Nov 2018 07:58:36 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gNHDy-00027H-R9 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 15 Nov 2018 07:58:27 -0500 Received: from relay1-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.193]:60365) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gNHDy-00025p-Ah for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 15 Nov 2018 07:58:22 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 14.203.214.4 Received: from epi.local (14-203-214-4.tpgi.com.au [14.203.214.4]) (Authenticated sender: van@scratch.space) by relay1-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6DDEC24000C for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2018 12:58:18 +0000 (UTC) From: Van L Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: 26.1, netbsd-8; Hi Lock Faces, Hi Green B, default setting suggestion Message-Id: <9B715204-BE6D-4F02-B484-1EA9EDACE0EB@scratch.space> Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 23:58:13 +1100 To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.3 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.3 (-----) Hello, This is a suggestion for a reasonable default fore/background color = combo. Run:=20 emacs -Q See: Customize Group: Hi Lock Faces Hi Green B I see: foreground:green1=20 background:white (which I guess is a received setting from somewhere = else) For me, this is a very difficult combo to see.=20 I=E2=80=99d like to suggest the default to be for `Hi Green B': foreground:darkcyan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Nov 15 16:52:58 2018 Received: (at 33398) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Nov 2018 21:52:58 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54515 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gNPZK-0007Ms-Il for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Nov 2018 16:52:58 -0500 Received: from ladybird.maple.relay.mailchannels.net ([23.83.214.98]:59147) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gNPZI-0007Mi-C2 for 33398@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Nov 2018 16:52:56 -0500 X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@jurta.org Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9B571250EC; Thu, 15 Nov 2018 21:52:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a77.g.dreamhost.com (unknown [100.96.33.121]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 89344124C15; Thu, 15 Nov 2018 21:52:54 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@jurta.org Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a77.g.dreamhost.com (pop.dreamhost.com [64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.16.2); Thu, 15 Nov 2018 21:52:54 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@jurta.org X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost X-Stop-Belong: 2216c9383ddd56dc_1542318774633_3644504663 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1542318774633:2541645003 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1542318774633 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a77.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a77.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B54980285; Thu, 15 Nov 2018 13:52:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=linkov.net; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=linkov.net; bh=PC0jDi M5Ij9iY/vlOOSiIrUxHf4=; b=cPo6ptaBmjf0eDN+pOYT6a+DSKimlqcz2g2391 mmowNhya8T90QG4DZsVDOnnX11CNbJgEsPkKGLgQYJwsBQRDUW6Vmg53wUAsSFAY ozFb6leeL9Ht1O2tPgj3s2+B/hFaCK7WViEcYblW74GCwMVSDjpkj5M4HhNk3ijF qAbfo= Received: from mail.jurta.org (m91-129-107-244.cust.tele2.ee [91.129.107.244]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jurta@jurta.org) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a77.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4542A80286; Thu, 15 Nov 2018 13:52:51 -0800 (PST) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a77 From: Juri Linkov To: Van L Subject: Re: bug#33398: 26.1, netbsd-8; Hi Lock Faces, Hi Green B, default setting suggestion Organization: LINKOV.NET References: <9B715204-BE6D-4F02-B484-1EA9EDACE0EB@scratch.space> Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 23:25:10 +0200 In-Reply-To: <9B715204-BE6D-4F02-B484-1EA9EDACE0EB@scratch.space> (Van L.'s message of "Thu, 15 Nov 2018 23:58:13 +1100") Message-ID: <87wope15gh.fsf@mail.linkov.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-VR-OUT-STATUS: OK X-VR-OUT-SCORE: 0 X-VR-OUT-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedtkedrleehgddugeekucetufdoteggodetrfdotffvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuggftfghnshhusghstghrihgsvgdpffftgfetoffjqffuvfenuceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucenucfjughrpefhvffuohhfffgjkfgfgggtgfesthekredttderjeenucfhrhhomheplfhurhhiucfnihhnkhhovhcuoehjuhhriheslhhinhhkohhvrdhnvghtqeenucfkphepledurdduvdelrddutdejrddvgeegnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhhouggvpehsmhhtphdphhgvlhhopehmrghilhdrjhhurhhtrgdrohhrghdpihhnvghtpeeluddruddvledruddtjedrvdeggedprhgvthhurhhnqdhprghthheplfhurhhiucfnihhnkhhovhcuoehjuhhriheslhhinhhkohhvrdhnvghtqedpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehjuhhriheslhhinhhkohhvrdhnvghtpdhnrhgtphhtthhopehvrghnsehstghrrghttghhrdhsphgrtggvnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptd Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33398 Cc: 33398@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) > I see: > foreground:green1 > background:white (which I guess is a received setting from somewhere = else) > > For me, this is a very difficult combo to see. I see the same - it is difficult to read. > I=E2=80=99d like to suggest the default to be for `Hi Green B': > > foreground:darkcyan But darkcyan is not green. Maybe better to create a new face `Hi Cyan B' for darkcyan, and use darkgreen for `Hi Green B'? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Nov 15 17:13:32 2018 Received: (at 33398) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Nov 2018 22:13:32 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54541 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gNPtE-0007rJ-Cd for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Nov 2018 17:13:32 -0500 Received: from relay2-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.194]:56581) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gNPtC-0007rB-QN for 33398@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Nov 2018 17:13:31 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 14.203.214.4 Received: from epi.local (14-203-214-4.tpgi.com.au [14.203.214.4]) (Authenticated sender: van@scratch.space) by relay2-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 77FA04000B; Thu, 15 Nov 2018 22:13:27 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) Subject: Re: bug#33398: 26.1, netbsd-8; Hi Lock Faces, Hi Green B, default setting suggestion From: Van L In-Reply-To: <87wope15gh.fsf@mail.linkov.net> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2018 09:13:23 +1100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <4D07BB6C-98A9-4EC2-BB37-097D5D753E53@scratch.space> References: <9B715204-BE6D-4F02-B484-1EA9EDACE0EB@scratch.space> <87wope15gh.fsf@mail.linkov.net> To: Juri Linkov X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33398 Cc: 33398@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > On 16 Nov 2018, at 08:25, Juri Linkov wrote: >=20 >> I see: >> foreground:green1 >> background:white (which I guess is a received setting from somewhere = else) >>=20 >> For me, this is a very difficult combo to see. >=20 > I see the same - it is difficult to read. I don=E2=80=99t have red color blindness but suspect `Hi Red B=E2=80=99 = would be difficult for a percentage of people. >> I=E2=80=99d like to suggest the default to be for `Hi Green B': >>=20 >> foreground:darkcyan >=20 > But darkcyan is not green. Maybe better to create a new face `Hi Cyan = B' > for darkcyan, and use darkgreen for `Hi Green B'? The ROYGBIV mnemonic for the colors of the rainbow could be a theme for = the list to cycle through in `Hi Lock Faces=E2=80=99. Darkgreen is an improvement on green1 for `Hi Green B=E2=80=99.= From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Nov 17 16:33:09 2018 Received: (at 33398) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Nov 2018 21:33:09 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58169 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gO8DF-0006ld-23 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 17 Nov 2018 16:33:09 -0500 Received: from purple.birch.relay.mailchannels.net ([23.83.209.150]:57443) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gO8DD-0006lU-DY for 33398@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 17 Nov 2018 16:33:08 -0500 X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@jurta.org Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2989D28289F; Sat, 17 Nov 2018 21:33:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a77.g.dreamhost.com (unknown [100.96.29.126]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id EA064282555; Sat, 17 Nov 2018 21:33:04 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@jurta.org Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a77.g.dreamhost.com (pop.dreamhost.com [64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.16.2); Sat, 17 Nov 2018 21:33:05 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@jurta.org X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost X-Wipe-Scare: 74dea70a3b05accc_1542490385038_1010914524 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1542490385038:2176576609 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1542490385037 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a77.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a77.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0EAA804B9; Sat, 17 Nov 2018 13:33:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=linkov.net; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=linkov.net; bh=zP480z hH0QSVJJMpPFboXPkCsQk=; b=TFeMNzvkeiMM+oFrHcLr2UjwQTJT6DaFDBWnNn KBFoejnIjH6rbS9n2IdHfY5pefKvXGZT+iAd6Epr5prV38N4ASlK963/uGNgA0W9 cSgrZyt4eRghHvBu5DlvBQnmf/eyshjqI3jHRUG6vsAWQutsC0prBZnfQV/dFiXT 5BqRo= Received: from mail.jurta.org (m91-129-107-244.cust.tele2.ee [91.129.107.244]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jurta@jurta.org) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a77.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5E336804C4; Sat, 17 Nov 2018 13:33:01 -0800 (PST) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a77 From: Juri Linkov To: Van L Subject: Re: bug#33398: 26.1, netbsd-8; Hi Lock Faces, Hi Green B, default setting suggestion Organization: LINKOV.NET References: <9B715204-BE6D-4F02-B484-1EA9EDACE0EB@scratch.space> <87wope15gh.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <4D07BB6C-98A9-4EC2-BB37-097D5D753E53@scratch.space> Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2018 22:54:53 +0200 In-Reply-To: <4D07BB6C-98A9-4EC2-BB37-097D5D753E53@scratch.space> (Van L.'s message of "Fri, 16 Nov 2018 09:13:23 +1100") Message-ID: <87wopbzeuy.fsf@mail.linkov.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-VR-OUT-STATUS: OK X-VR-OUT-SCORE: 0 X-VR-OUT-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedtkedrleelgdduheegucetufdoteggodetrfdotffvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuggftfghnshhusghstghrihgsvgdpffftgfetoffjqffuvfenuceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucenucfjughrpefhvffuohhfffgjkfgfgggtgfesthekredttderjeenucfhrhhomheplfhurhhiucfnihhnkhhovhcuoehjuhhriheslhhinhhkohhvrdhnvghtqeenucfkphepledurdduvdelrddutdejrddvgeegnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhhouggvpehsmhhtphdphhgvlhhopehmrghilhdrjhhurhhtrgdrohhrghdpihhnvghtpeeluddruddvledruddtjedrvdeggedprhgvthhurhhnqdhprghthheplfhurhhiucfnihhnkhhovhcuoehjuhhriheslhhinhhkohhvrdhnvghtqedpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehjuhhriheslhhinhhkohhvrdhnvghtpdhnrhgtphhtthhopehvrghnsehstghrrghttghhrdhsphgrtggvnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptd Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33398 Cc: 33398@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) >>> I see: >>> foreground:green1 >>> background:white (which I guess is a received setting from somewhere= else) >>> >>> For me, this is a very difficult combo to see. >> >> I see the same - it is difficult to read. > > I don=E2=80=99t have red color blindness but suspect `Hi Red B=E2=80=99= would be > difficult for a percentage of people. Yes, the current shade of red is too glaring. >>> I=E2=80=99d like to suggest the default to be for `Hi Green B': >>> >>> foreground:darkcyan >> >> But darkcyan is not green. Maybe better to create a new face `Hi Cyan= B' >> for darkcyan, and use darkgreen for `Hi Green B'? > > The ROYGBIV mnemonic for the colors of the rainbow could be a theme > for the list to cycle through in `Hi Lock Faces=E2=80=99. Good idea. A rainbow for background colors and a rainbow for foreground colors, totally 14 colors, twice more colors instead of current 4 backgro= und and 3 foreground colors. > Darkgreen is an improvement on green1 for `Hi Green B=E2=80=99. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Nov 18 22:10:15 2018 Received: (at 33398) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Nov 2018 03:10:15 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59553 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gOZx1-0005bY-E8 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 18 Nov 2018 22:10:15 -0500 Received: from relay3-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.195]:50443) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gOZwz-0005bQ-JS for 33398@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 18 Nov 2018 22:10:14 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 14.203.214.4 Received: from epi.local (14-203-214-4.tpgi.com.au [14.203.214.4]) (Authenticated sender: van@scratch.space) by relay3-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7773060003; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 03:10:10 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) Subject: Re: bug#33398: 26.1, netbsd-8; Hi Lock Faces, Hi Green B, default setting suggestion From: Van L In-Reply-To: <87wopbzeuy.fsf@mail.linkov.net> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2018 14:10:05 +1100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <9B715204-BE6D-4F02-B484-1EA9EDACE0EB@scratch.space> <87wope15gh.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <4D07BB6C-98A9-4EC2-BB37-097D5D753E53@scratch.space> <87wopbzeuy.fsf@mail.linkov.net> To: Juri Linkov X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33398 Cc: 33398@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) >> I don=E2=80=99t have red color blindness but suspect `Hi Red B=E2=80=99= would be >> difficult for a percentage of people. >=20 > Yes, the current shade of red is too glaring. #ee2d3d is less glaring.=20 For red color blind people a contrast to that as fore/background will = trim down the number of people unable to see.= From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Nov 19 17:08:34 2018 Received: (at 33398) by debbugs.gnu.org; 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Mon, 19 Nov 2018 14:08:26 -0800 (PST) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a37 From: Juri Linkov To: Van L Subject: Re: bug#33398: 26.1, netbsd-8; Hi Lock Faces, Hi Green B, default setting suggestion Organization: LINKOV.NET References: <9B715204-BE6D-4F02-B484-1EA9EDACE0EB@scratch.space> <87wope15gh.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <4D07BB6C-98A9-4EC2-BB37-097D5D753E53@scratch.space> <87wopbzeuy.fsf@mail.linkov.net> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2018 23:58:31 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Van L.'s message of "Mon, 19 Nov 2018 14:10:05 +1100") Message-ID: <87d0r04tmg.fsf@mail.linkov.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-VR-OUT-STATUS: OK X-VR-OUT-SCORE: 0 X-VR-OUT-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedtkedruddtfedgudehkecutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucggtfgfnhhsuhgsshgtrhhisggvpdfftffgtefojffquffvnecuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecunecujfgurhephffvufhofhffjgfkfgggtgfgsehtkeertddtreejnecuhfhrohhmpefluhhrihcunfhinhhkohhvuceojhhurhhisehlihhnkhhovhdrnhgvtheqnecukfhppeeluddruddvledruddthedrvdehvdenucfrrghrrghmpehmohguvgepshhmthhppdhhvghlohepmhgrihhlrdhjuhhrthgrrdhorhhgpdhinhgvthepledurdduvdelrddutdehrddvhedvpdhrvghtuhhrnhdqphgrthhhpefluhhrihcunfhinhhkohhvuceojhhurhhisehlihhnkhhovhdrnhgvtheqpdhmrghilhhfrhhomhepjhhurhhisehlihhnkhhovhdrnhgvthdpnhhrtghpthhtohepvhgrnhesshgtrhgrthgthhdrshhprggtvgenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedt Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33398 Cc: 33398@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) >>> I don=E2=80=99t have red color blindness but suspect `Hi Red B=E2=80=99= would be >>> difficult for a percentage of people. >> >> Yes, the current shade of red is too glaring. > > #ee2d3d is less glaring. I see that the closest color for this is named "brown2". It's not required to always use colors with names, but in this case "brown2" is very close. Another close candidates are "red2" and "firebrick2". Then for hi-green we could use "green3". Regarding your idea of using rainbow colors, the problem is that on TTY there are only these colors: red, green, yellow, blue, magenta, cyan hi-blue face uses cyan color, not blue, and hi-pink face uses magenta color, not red. Since hi-yellow uses yellow, and hi-green uses green already, unfortunately there are no other colors available on TTY. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Nov 19 23:00:36 2018 Received: (at 33398) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Nov 2018 04:00:37 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33305 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gOxDI-0007ha-Mj for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 23:00:36 -0500 Received: from relay2-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.194]:43989) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gOxDH-0007hS-7f for 33398@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 23:00:35 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 14.203.214.4 Received: from epi.local (14-203-214-4.tpgi.com.au [14.203.214.4]) (Authenticated sender: van@scratch.space) by relay2-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E6CE640004; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 04:00:32 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) Subject: Re: bug#33398: 26.1, netbsd-8; Hi Lock Faces, Hi Green B, default setting suggestion From: Van L In-Reply-To: <87d0r04tmg.fsf@mail.linkov.net> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2018 15:00:27 +1100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <9B715204-BE6D-4F02-B484-1EA9EDACE0EB@scratch.space> <87wope15gh.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <4D07BB6C-98A9-4EC2-BB37-097D5D753E53@scratch.space> <87wopbzeuy.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87d0r04tmg.fsf@mail.linkov.net> To: Juri Linkov X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33398 Cc: 33398@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) >>> Yes, the current shade of red is too glaring. >>=20 >> #ee2d3d is less glaring. >=20 > I see that the closest color for this is named "brown2". > It's not required to always use colors with names, > but in this case "brown2" is very close. Another close > candidates are "red2" and "firebrick2=E2=80=9D. Red2 (#ee0000) might be invisible to red-color blindness. It could be too glaring still depending on taste. The name firebrick2 hints closer to a kind of red than brown2. > Then for hi-green we could use "green3=E2=80=9D. The 'light green' is easier on the eye, it seems to my eye not having exclusively one color component in the RGB is better. > Regarding your idea of using rainbow colors, the problem > is that on TTY there are only these colors: >=20 > red, green, yellow, blue, magenta, cyan >=20 > hi-blue face uses cyan color, not blue, and > hi-pink face uses magenta color, not red. >=20 > Since hi-yellow uses yellow, and hi-green uses green already, > unfortunately there are no other colors available on TTY. That=E2=80=99s a rabbit hole beyond scope. I am afraid. If only the `Hi Green B' and `Hi Red B' are adjusted, or only the `Hi = Green B=E2=80=99 is=20 that improves the existing defaultsetting. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Nov 20 18:15:33 2018 Received: (at 33398) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Nov 2018 23:15:33 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37550 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gPFEz-0003qs-3x for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 18:15:33 -0500 Received: from lavender.maple.relay.mailchannels.net ([23.83.214.99]:64934) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gPFEv-0003qf-4Z for 33398@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 18:15:31 -0500 X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@jurta.org Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA3CA2840CB; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 23:15:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a37.g.dreamhost.com (unknown [100.96.30.62]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 6B3CF28428C; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 23:15:27 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@jurta.org Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a37.g.dreamhost.com (pop.dreamhost.com [64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.16.2); Tue, 20 Nov 2018 23:15:27 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@jurta.org X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost X-Madly-Lettuce: 6e9fd083359cbec9_1542755727527_3118741488 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1542755727526:2999791333 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1542755727526 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a37.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a37.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22DB2808BC; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 15:15:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=linkov.net; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :content-type; s=linkov.net; bh=LqjByGt+GyoPlKHmD99bdfA3310=; b= JVUsdLHtDgnySVPKKlO5ZXif/KtT4aeqaWdp0WzAcbl03+UsNKD3DoLnvAqAbRG7 j9q5aWFxyI01gLb3VAsXvDjsOoSLUS4FN+TECwP3C2Hd5zxH5bWWdIja6w6BpCb0 M1CloDo+ITrBjqR37mWcguvbuyOD1LuY4tWgrVzMgMc= Received: from mail.jurta.org (m91-129-105-252.cust.tele2.ee [91.129.105.252]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jurta@jurta.org) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a37.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 06743808AD; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 15:15:24 -0800 (PST) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a37 From: Juri Linkov To: Van L Subject: Re: bug#33398: 26.1, netbsd-8; Hi Lock Faces, Hi Green B, default setting suggestion Organization: LINKOV.NET References: <9B715204-BE6D-4F02-B484-1EA9EDACE0EB@scratch.space> <87wope15gh.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <4D07BB6C-98A9-4EC2-BB37-097D5D753E53@scratch.space> <87wopbzeuy.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87d0r04tmg.fsf@mail.linkov.net> Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2018 00:59:27 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Van L.'s message of "Tue, 20 Nov 2018 15:00:27 +1100") Message-ID: <87sgzv747k.fsf@mail.linkov.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-VR-OUT-STATUS: OK X-VR-OUT-SCORE: 0 X-VR-OUT-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedtkedruddtiedgtdelucetufdoteggodetrfdotffvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuggftfghnshhusghstghrihgsvgdpffftgfetoffjqffuvfenuceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucenucfjughrpefhvffuohhfffgjkfgfgggtsehttdertddtredtnecuhfhrohhmpefluhhrihcunfhinhhkohhvuceojhhurhhisehlihhnkhhovhdrnhgvtheqnecukfhppeeluddruddvledruddthedrvdehvdenucfrrghrrghmpehmohguvgepshhmthhppdhhvghlohepmhgrihhlrdhjuhhrthgrrdhorhhgpdhinhgvthepledurdduvdelrddutdehrddvhedvpdhrvghtuhhrnhdqphgrthhhpefluhhrihcunfhinhhkohhvuceojhhurhhisehlihhnkhhovhdrnhgvtheqpdhmrghilhhfrhhomhepjhhurhhisehlihhnkhhovhdrnhgvthdpnhhrtghpthhtohepvhgrnhesshgtrhgrthgthhdrshhprggtvgenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedt X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33398 Cc: 33398@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) >> I see that the closest color for this is named "brown2". >> It's not required to always use colors with names, >> but in this case "brown2" is very close. Another close >> candidates are "red2" and "firebrick2". > > Red2 (#ee0000) might be invisible to red-color blindness. > It could be too glaring still depending on taste. > > The name firebrick2 hints closer to a kind of red than brown2. OK, firebrick2 is a good color for `Hi Red B'. >> Then for hi-green we could use "green3". > > The 'light green' is easier on the eye, it seems to my eye > not having exclusively one color component in the RGB is better. 'light green' is almost white, so it's difficult to read on white background when 'light green' is used as foreground color in `Hi Green B'. This is the reason why 'light green' is used as background color in `Hi Green', i.e. 'light green' is better for background, not foreground. >> Regarding your idea of using rainbow colors, the problem >> is that on TTY there are only these colors: >> >> red, green, yellow, blue, magenta, cyan >> >> hi-blue face uses cyan color, not blue, and >> hi-pink face uses magenta color, not red. >> >> Since hi-yellow uses yellow, and hi-green uses green already, >> unfortunately there are no other colors available on TTY. > > That's a rabbit hole beyond scope. I am afraid. The same way as hi-yellow is defined to use yellow, and hi-green to use green, we can define hi-blue to use blue color, and hi-pink to use red color. This will free cyan and magenta to use. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Nov 21 07:23:54 2018 Received: (at 33398) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Nov 2018 12:23:54 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37912 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gPRXt-0003WN-QC for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 07:23:53 -0500 Received: from relay2-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.194]:46723) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gPRXr-0003WD-OS for 33398@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 07:23:52 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 14.203.214.4 Received: from epi.local (14-203-214-4.tpgi.com.au [14.203.214.4]) (Authenticated sender: van@scratch.space) by relay2-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7699440007; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 12:23:48 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) Subject: Re: bug#33398: 26.1, netbsd-8; Hi Lock Faces, Hi Green B, default setting suggestion From: Van L In-Reply-To: <87sgzv747k.fsf@mail.linkov.net> Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2018 23:23:44 +1100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <740AF1DA-7EDB-4310-8C6E-F7944D714513@scratch.space> References: <9B715204-BE6D-4F02-B484-1EA9EDACE0EB@scratch.space> <87wope15gh.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <4D07BB6C-98A9-4EC2-BB37-097D5D753E53@scratch.space> <87wopbzeuy.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87d0r04tmg.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87sgzv747k.fsf@mail.linkov.net> To: Juri Linkov X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33398 Cc: 33398@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) >> The name firebrick2 hints closer to a kind of red than brown2. >=20 > OK, firebrick2 is a good color for `Hi Red B=E2=80=99. ok x 2. >=20 >>> Then for hi-green we could use "green3". >>=20 >> The 'light green' is easier on the eye, it seems to my eye >> not having exclusively one color component in the RGB is better. >=20 > 'light green' is almost white, so it's difficult to read on > white background when 'light green' is used as foreground color Yes. I agree. Let=E2=80=99s not have that. > in `Hi Green B'. This is the reason why 'light green' is used as > background color in `Hi Green', i.e. 'light green' is better > for background, not foreground. 'light green' for hi-green is actually the background color highlight and black is = foreground for the text 'darkgreen' was what we could agree on for `Hi Green B=E2=80=99=20 We are probably in agreement. >=20 >>> Regarding your idea of using rainbow colors, the problem >>> is that on TTY there are only these colors: >>>=20 >>> red, green, yellow, blue, magenta, cyan >>>=20 >>> hi-blue face uses cyan color, not blue, and >>> hi-pink face uses magenta color, not red. >>>=20 >>> Since hi-yellow uses yellow, and hi-green uses green already, >>> unfortunately there are no other colors available on TTY. >>=20 >> That's a rabbit hole beyond scope. I am afraid. >=20 > The same way as hi-yellow is defined to use yellow, and hi-green > to use green, we can define hi-blue to use blue color, and > hi-pink to use red color. This will free cyan and magenta > to use. I=E2=80=99ve never been able to workout the color choices for TTY and = use 'emacs --color=3Dno' I have no opinion in relation to the TTY color choices. The rainbow/artist=E2=80=99s coloring pencils theme for hi-faces is = nicer to have for the wm-frame-windowing environment.= From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Nov 21 18:57:29 2018 Received: (at 33398) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Nov 2018 23:57:29 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40349 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gPcN7-0006i6-5H for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 18:57:29 -0500 Received: from ostrich.birch.relay.mailchannels.net ([23.83.209.138]:39667) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gPcN4-0006hv-T9 for 33398@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 18:57:27 -0500 X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@jurta.org Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D861542CCE; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 23:57:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a37.g.dreamhost.com (unknown [100.96.26.166]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id A3D614101E; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 23:57:24 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@jurta.org Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a37.g.dreamhost.com (pop.dreamhost.com [64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.16.2); Wed, 21 Nov 2018 23:57:24 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@jurta.org X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost X-Society-Inform: 2600cfef7c58d647_1542844644748_4068650624 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1542844644748:139157696 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1542844644748 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a37.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a37.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67B2580946; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 15:57:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=linkov.net; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=linkov.net; bh=UHt83g LjujwndtY4kDN1Fsel85k=; b=AfdZTruqpWI98xdohw8OCHH/H+T+SfB2A/5khu 8+kQUCp5IOaRPfTDMMPJlk/WVOCTm68kiA86ipSxmNLPDn3s6mKJ2AwzQCaDKN3/ LbeJo12mr5dwTZanVyJKC16BLBgMAvrUaF3NrwtG3SVHEu3A+GHO0VjOoJLIdacs Bd//g= Received: from mail.jurta.org (m91-129-105-252.cust.tele2.ee [91.129.105.252]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jurta@jurta.org) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a37.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9769A80920; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 15:57:22 -0800 (PST) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a37 From: Juri Linkov To: Van L Subject: Re: bug#33398: 26.1, netbsd-8; Hi Lock Faces, Hi Green B, default setting suggestion Organization: LINKOV.NET References: <9B715204-BE6D-4F02-B484-1EA9EDACE0EB@scratch.space> <87wope15gh.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <4D07BB6C-98A9-4EC2-BB37-097D5D753E53@scratch.space> <87wopbzeuy.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87d0r04tmg.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87sgzv747k.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <740AF1DA-7EDB-4310-8C6E-F7944D714513@scratch.space> Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2018 00:56:19 +0200 In-Reply-To: <740AF1DA-7EDB-4310-8C6E-F7944D714513@scratch.space> (Van L.'s message of "Wed, 21 Nov 2018 23:23:44 +1100") Message-ID: <87sgzuca5o.fsf@mail.linkov.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-VR-OUT-STATUS: OK X-VR-OUT-SCORE: 0 X-VR-OUT-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedtkedruddtkedgudejucetufdoteggodetrfdotffvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuggftfghnshhusghstghrihgsvgdpffftgfetoffjqffuvfenuceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucenucfjughrpefhvffuohhfffgjkfgfgggtgfesthekredttderjeenucfhrhhomheplfhurhhiucfnihhnkhhovhcuoehjuhhriheslhhinhhkohhvrdhnvghtqeenucfkphepledurdduvdelrddutdehrddvhedvnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhhouggvpehsmhhtphdphhgvlhhopehmrghilhdrjhhurhhtrgdrohhrghdpihhnvghtpeeluddruddvledruddthedrvdehvddprhgvthhurhhnqdhprghthheplfhurhhiucfnihhnkhhovhcuoehjuhhriheslhhinhhkohhvrdhnvghtqedpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehjuhhriheslhhinhhkohhvrdhnvghtpdhnrhgtphhtthhopehvrghnsehstghrrghttghhrdhsphgrtggvnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptd Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33398 Cc: 33398@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) > 'darkgreen' > was what we could agree on for `Hi Green B=E2=80=99=20 'darkgreen' is almost black, and indistinguishable from the default black foreground color. A better color for `Hi Green B' is 'green3'. >> The same way as hi-yellow is defined to use yellow, and hi-green >> to use green, we can define hi-blue to use blue color, and >> hi-pink to use red color. This will free cyan and magenta >> to use. I guess there are no hi-magenta and hi-cyan faces because Isearch uses the magenta color for the current match and the cyan color for lazy-highlighted matches. But OTOH, on TTY magenta and cyan are used from hi-pink and hi-blue, and there is no problem, so we can define two new hi-lock faces. > The rainbow/artist=E2=80=99s coloring pencils theme for hi-faces is nic= er to > have for the wm-frame-windowing environment. emacs/lisp/textmodes/artist.el doesn't have many colors, and colors from the rainbow-delimiters packages are too dull. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Nov 21 19:32:35 2018 Received: (at 33398) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Nov 2018 00:32:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40376 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gPcv4-0007jv-QC for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 19:32:35 -0500 Received: from relay10.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.178.230]:46609) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gPcv2-0007jk-OK for 33398@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 19:32:34 -0500 Received: from epi.local (78.109.220.203.dial.dynamic.acc01-mark-wlg.comindico.com.au [203.220.109.78]) (Authenticated sender: van@scratch.space) by relay10.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0CEB6240002; Thu, 22 Nov 2018 00:32:29 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) Subject: Re: bug#33398: 26.1, netbsd-8; Hi Lock Faces, Hi Green B, default setting suggestion From: Van L In-Reply-To: <87sgzuca5o.fsf@mail.linkov.net> Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2018 11:32:24 +1100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <9B715204-BE6D-4F02-B484-1EA9EDACE0EB@scratch.space> <87wope15gh.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <4D07BB6C-98A9-4EC2-BB37-097D5D753E53@scratch.space> <87wopbzeuy.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87d0r04tmg.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87sgzv747k.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <740AF1DA-7EDB-4310-8C6E-F7944D714513@scratch.space> <87sgzuca5o.fsf@mail.linkov.net> To: Juri Linkov X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33398 Cc: 33398@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) >> 'darkgreen' >> was what we could agree on for `Hi Green B=E2=80=99=20 >=20 > 'darkgreen' is almost black That would be 'darkgreen' foreground on white background for `Hi Green = B'. >>> The same way as hi-yellow is defined to use yellow, and hi-green >>> to use green, we can define hi-blue to use blue color, and >>> hi-pink to use red color. This will free cyan and magenta >>> to use. >=20 > I guess there are no hi-magenta and hi-cyan faces because > Isearch uses the magenta color for the current match and the > cyan color for lazy-highlighted matches. >=20 > But OTOH, on TTY magenta and cyan are used from hi-pink and hi-blue, > and there is no problem, so we can define two new hi-lock faces. My experience of TTY in color is that there a combinations that are = totally unreadable to my eye, such as, darkblue on black. >=20 >> The rainbow/artist=E2=80=99s coloring pencils theme for hi-faces is = nicer to >> have for the wm-frame-windowing environment. >=20 > emacs/lisp/textmodes/artist.el doesn't have many colors, > and colors from the rainbow-delimiters packages are too dull. The ROYGBIV palette for hi-lock-faces as theme. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Nov 22 17:51:47 2018 Received: (at 33398) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Nov 2018 22:51:47 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42789 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gPxp4-0006Ro-Nj for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 22 Nov 2018 17:51:46 -0500 Received: from indri.birch.relay.mailchannels.net ([23.83.209.92]:10752) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gPxp2-0006Rf-OH for 33398@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 22 Nov 2018 17:51:45 -0500 X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@jurta.org Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19A9F682595; Thu, 22 Nov 2018 22:51:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a37.g.dreamhost.com (unknown [100.96.30.62]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id C55166829FD; Thu, 22 Nov 2018 22:51:42 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@jurta.org Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a37.g.dreamhost.com (pop.dreamhost.com [64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.16.2); Thu, 22 Nov 2018 22:51:43 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@jurta.org X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost X-Trouble-Blushing: 1016f48437395639_1542927102933_3877632405 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1542927102933:632064907 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1542927102932 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a37.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a37.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AA5E7FE7B; Thu, 22 Nov 2018 14:51:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=linkov.net; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=linkov.net; bh=L0xn0X IWWOpi/ln/OYjWVN4ZMSI=; b=O9iiWTqid7nrzQvPn/j0miXB1cKgE505rMNgeK g48TZZmUqjL9YxcCgQCjUJOnQcyZZPMhQNQMK3cURUeQTrHImtx4psa1qE5RyWgD 8mEKiKi5irR8yhgK1+H6dSDd3ofQd+6f8nAGWtp8Cg1HDs7yt7RjCieTi6dxzR37 Nu0lw= Received: from mail.jurta.org (m91-129-105-252.cust.tele2.ee [91.129.105.252]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jurta@jurta.org) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a37.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C98857FE77; Thu, 22 Nov 2018 14:51:40 -0800 (PST) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a37 From: Juri Linkov To: Van L Subject: Re: bug#33398: 26.1, netbsd-8; Hi Lock Faces, Hi Green B, default setting suggestion Organization: LINKOV.NET References: <9B715204-BE6D-4F02-B484-1EA9EDACE0EB@scratch.space> <87wope15gh.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <4D07BB6C-98A9-4EC2-BB37-097D5D753E53@scratch.space> <87wopbzeuy.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87d0r04tmg.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87sgzv747k.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <740AF1DA-7EDB-4310-8C6E-F7944D714513@scratch.space> <87sgzuca5o.fsf@mail.linkov.net> Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2018 00:16:46 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Van L.'s message of "Thu, 22 Nov 2018 11:32:24 +1100") Message-ID: <87a7m0hi5t.fsf@mail.linkov.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-VR-OUT-STATUS: OK X-VR-OUT-SCORE: 0 X-VR-OUT-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedtkedruddutddgtdegucetufdoteggodetrfdotffvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuggftfghnshhusghstghrihgsvgdpffftgfetoffjqffuvfenuceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucenucfjughrpefhvffuohhfffgjkfgfgggtgfesthekredttderjeenucfhrhhomheplfhurhhiucfnihhnkhhovhcuoehjuhhriheslhhinhhkohhvrdhnvghtqeenucfkphepledurdduvdelrddutdehrddvhedvnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhhouggvpehsmhhtphdphhgvlhhopehmrghilhdrjhhurhhtrgdrohhrghdpihhnvghtpeeluddruddvledruddthedrvdehvddprhgvthhurhhnqdhprghthheplfhurhhiucfnihhnkhhovhcuoehjuhhriheslhhinhhkohhvrdhnvghtqedpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehjuhhriheslhhinhhkohhvrdhnvghtpdhnrhgtphhtthhopehvrghnsehstghrrghttghhrdhsphgrtggvnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptd Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33398 Cc: 33398@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) >>> The rainbow/artist=E2=80=99s coloring pencils theme for hi-faces is n= icer to >>> have for the wm-frame-windowing environment. > > The ROYGBIV palette for hi-lock-faces as theme. There is one palette in vc-annotate-color-map, but it doesn't look good when used for highlighting. >>>> The same way as hi-yellow is defined to use yellow, and hi-green >>>> to use green, we can define hi-blue to use blue color, and >>>> hi-pink to use red color. This will free cyan and magenta >>>> to use. >>=20 >> I guess there are no hi-magenta and hi-cyan faces because >> Isearch uses the magenta color for the current match and the >> cyan color for lazy-highlighted matches. >>=20 >> But OTOH, on TTY magenta and cyan are used from hi-pink and hi-blue, >> and there is no problem, so we can define two new hi-lock faces. The existing hi-blue face's color "light blue" is closer to the existing lazy-highlight face's color "paleturquoise" than to the new hi-cyan face's color "DarkSlateGray1" proposed in the patch below, so this color choice will be better then existing: diff --git a/lisp/hi-lock.el b/lisp/hi-lock.el index 08b58117dd..95d7f867df 100644 --- a/lisp/hi-lock.el +++ b/lisp/hi-lock.el @@ -157,8 +157,11 @@ hi-yellow :group 'hi-lock-faces) =20 (defface hi-pink - '((((background dark)) (:background "pink" :foreground "black")) - (t (:background "pink"))) + '((((min-colors 88) (background dark)) + (:background "pink" :foreground "black")) + (((background dark)) (:background "red" :foreground "black")) + (((min-colors 88)) (:background "pink")) + (t (:background "red"))) "Face for hi-lock mode." :group 'hi-lock-faces) =20 @@ -172,8 +175,29 @@ hi-green :group 'hi-lock-faces) =20 (defface hi-blue - '((((background dark)) (:background "light blue" :foreground "black")) - (t (:background "light blue"))) + '((((min-colors 88) (background dark)) + (:background "light blue" :foreground "black")) + (((background dark)) (:background "blue" :foreground "black")) + (((min-colors 88)) (:background "light blue")) + (t (:background "blue"))) + "Face for hi-lock mode." + :group 'hi-lock-faces) + +(defface hi-magenta + '((((min-colors 88) (background dark)) + (:background "orchid1" :foreground "black")) + (((background dark)) (:background "magenta" :foreground "black")) + (((min-colors 88)) (:background "orchid1")) + (t (:background "magenta"))) + "Face for hi-lock mode." + :group 'hi-lock-faces) + +(defface hi-cyan + '((((min-colors 88) (background dark)) + (:background "DarkSlateGray1" :foreground "black")) + (((background dark)) (:background "cyan" :foreground "black")) + (((min-colors 88)) (:background "DarkSlateGray1")) + (t (:background "cyan"))) "Face for hi-lock mode." :group 'hi-lock-faces) =20 @@ -189,13 +213,13 @@ hi-blue-b :group 'hi-lock-faces) =20 (defface hi-green-b - '((((min-colors 88)) (:weight bold :foreground "green1")) + '((((min-colors 88)) (:weight bold :foreground "green3")) (t (:weight bold :foreground "green"))) "Face for hi-lock mode." :group 'hi-lock-faces) =20 (defface hi-red-b - '((((min-colors 88)) (:weight bold :foreground "red1")) + '((((min-colors 88)) (:weight bold :foreground "firebrick2")) (t (:weight bold :foreground "red"))) "Face for hi-lock mode." :group 'hi-lock-faces) @@ -216,8 +240,8 @@ hi-lock-interactive-patterns (define-obsolete-variable-alias 'hi-lock-face-history 'hi-lock-face-defaults "23.1") (defvar hi-lock-face-defaults - '("hi-yellow" "hi-pink" "hi-green" "hi-blue" "hi-black-b" - "hi-blue-b" "hi-red-b" "hi-green-b" "hi-black-hb") + '("hi-yellow" "hi-pink" "hi-green" "hi-blue" "hi-magenta" "hi-cyan" + "hi-black-b" "hi-blue-b" "hi-red-b" "hi-green-b" "hi-black-hb") "Default faces for hi-lock interactive functions.") =20 (define-obsolete-variable-alias 'hi-lock-regexp-history From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Nov 22 19:56:14 2018 Received: (at 33398) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Nov 2018 00:56:15 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42829 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gPzlW-0001pR-Oj for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 22 Nov 2018 19:56:14 -0500 Received: from relay1-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.193]:53499) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gPzlU-0001pH-Ub for 33398@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 22 Nov 2018 19:56:13 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 203.220.109.78 Received: from epi.local (78.109.220.203.dial.dynamic.acc01-mark-wlg.comindico.com.au [203.220.109.78]) (Authenticated sender: van@scratch.space) by relay1-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4D8CD240006; Fri, 23 Nov 2018 00:56:09 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) Subject: Re: bug#33398: 26.1, netbsd-8; Hi Lock Faces, Hi Green B, default setting suggestion From: Van L In-Reply-To: <87a7m0hi5t.fsf@mail.linkov.net> Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2018 11:56:04 +1100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <9B715204-BE6D-4F02-B484-1EA9EDACE0EB@scratch.space> <87wope15gh.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <4D07BB6C-98A9-4EC2-BB37-097D5D753E53@scratch.space> <87wopbzeuy.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87d0r04tmg.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87sgzv747k.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <740AF1DA-7EDB-4310-8C6E-F7944D714513@scratch.space> <87sgzuca5o.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87a7m0hi5t.fsf@mail.linkov.net> To: Juri Linkov X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33398 Cc: 33398@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > There is one palette in vc-annotate-color-map, but it doesn't look = good > when used for highlighting. Also, for me, where default face is black/gray (fore/background)=20 the mouse button one-to-three transient highlight doesn=E2=80=99t look = good. It is something dark which makes the black text hard to read. >=20 >>>>> The same way as hi-yellow is defined to use yellow, and hi-green >>>>> to use green, we can define hi-blue to use blue color, and >>>>> hi-pink to use red color. This will free cyan and magenta >>>>> to use. >>>=20 >>> I guess there are no hi-magenta and hi-cyan faces because >>> Isearch uses the magenta color for the current match and the >>> cyan color for lazy-highlighted matches. >>>=20 >>> But OTOH, on TTY magenta and cyan are used from hi-pink and hi-blue, >>> and there is no problem, so we can define two new hi-lock faces. >=20 > The existing hi-blue face's color "light blue" is closer to the = existing > lazy-highlight face's color "paleturquoise" than to the new hi-cyan > face's color "DarkSlateGray1" proposed in the patch below,=20 Thanks. 'DarkSlateGray1' is a totally unexpected cyan. Will the patch need to wait years before if backprops from 27 to 26.x = release?= From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Nov 23 03:35:05 2018 Received: (at 33398) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Nov 2018 08:35:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42978 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gQ6vY-0003Lk-Uz for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Nov 2018 03:35:05 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:33261) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gQ6vU-0003L7-VL for 33398@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Nov 2018 03:35:01 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gQ6vL-0000Il-3x for 33398@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Nov 2018 03:34:55 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:40501) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gQ6vJ-0000DO-FR; Fri, 23 Nov 2018 03:34:50 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4504 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1gQ6vI-000643-NZ; Fri, 23 Nov 2018 03:34:49 -0500 Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2018 10:35:02 +0200 Message-Id: <837eh4gpjd.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Juri Linkov In-reply-to: <87a7m0hi5t.fsf@mail.linkov.net> (message from Juri Linkov on Fri, 23 Nov 2018 00:16:46 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#33398: 26.1, netbsd-8; Hi Lock Faces, Hi Green B, default setting suggestion References: <9B715204-BE6D-4F02-B484-1EA9EDACE0EB@scratch.space> <87wope15gh.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <4D07BB6C-98A9-4EC2-BB37-097D5D753E53@scratch.space> <87wopbzeuy.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87d0r04tmg.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87sgzv747k.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <740AF1DA-7EDB-4310-8C6E-F7944D714513@scratch.space> <87sgzuca5o.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87a7m0hi5t.fsf@mail.linkov.net> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33398 Cc: van@scratch.space, 33398@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) > From: Juri Linkov > Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2018 00:16:46 +0200 > Cc: 33398@debbugs.gnu.org > > The existing hi-blue face's color "light blue" is closer to the existing > lazy-highlight face's color "paleturquoise" than to the new hi-cyan > face's color "DarkSlateGray1" proposed in the patch below, so this > color choice will be better then existing: > > diff --git a/lisp/hi-lock.el b/lisp/hi-lock.el > index 08b58117dd..95d7f867df 100644 > --- a/lisp/hi-lock.el > +++ b/lisp/hi-lock.el > @@ -157,8 +157,11 @@ hi-yellow > :group 'hi-lock-faces) > > (defface hi-pink > - '((((background dark)) (:background "pink" :foreground "black")) > - (t (:background "pink"))) > + '((((min-colors 88) (background dark)) > + (:background "pink" :foreground "black")) > + (((background dark)) (:background "red" :foreground "black")) > + (((min-colors 88)) (:background "pink")) > + (t (:background "red"))) > "Face for hi-lock mode." > :group 'hi-lock-faces) Thanks for working on this, but unfortunately changing the default colors for Emacs faces is not that easy (which is why we do that only very rarely). You cannot test your colors in just two points: 8-color TTY and 256-color display (you probably used a GUI frame?). For starters, there's the 16-color TTY, where according to my testing your changes are for the worse. And I would also suggest to test with a 88-color TTY. You need to test for both dark and light backgrounds. In general, if the automatic color translation in tty-colors.el does a good job (you can test that by specifying the X color and watching the result), it is best not to have a special definition for the corresponding min-colors. So, for example, for the new hi-magenta and hi-cyan faces you introduce, please see whether you really need the definitions for less than 88 colors -- they will only be needed if the automatic translation produces unpleasant results. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Nov 23 03:38:53 2018 Received: (at 33398) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Nov 2018 08:38:53 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42986 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gQ6zE-0003R6-Q1 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Nov 2018 03:38:53 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:34303) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gQ6zD-0003Qs-IM for 33398@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Nov 2018 03:38:51 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gQ6z3-0007zb-N8 for 33398@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Nov 2018 03:38:46 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:40551) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gQ6z1-0007eR-D4; Fri, 23 Nov 2018 03:38:39 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4743 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1gQ6z0-0006P1-VS; Fri, 23 Nov 2018 03:38:39 -0500 Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2018 10:38:55 +0200 Message-Id: <834lc8gpcw.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Van L In-reply-to: (message from Van L on Fri, 23 Nov 2018 11:56:04 +1100) Subject: Re: bug#33398: 26.1, netbsd-8; Hi Lock Faces, Hi Green B, default setting suggestion References: <9B715204-BE6D-4F02-B484-1EA9EDACE0EB@scratch.space> <87wope15gh.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <4D07BB6C-98A9-4EC2-BB37-097D5D753E53@scratch.space> <87wopbzeuy.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87d0r04tmg.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87sgzv747k.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <740AF1DA-7EDB-4310-8C6E-F7944D714513@scratch.space> <87sgzuca5o.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87a7m0hi5t.fsf@mail.linkov.net> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33398 Cc: 33398@debbugs.gnu.org, juri@linkov.net X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) > From: Van L > Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2018 11:56:04 +1100 > Cc: 33398@debbugs.gnu.org > > Will the patch need to wait years before if backprops from 27 to 26.x release? It will never be backported. Once committed to master, it will appear in Emacs 27.1. Interested users could meanwhile customize the hi-lock faces in their init files. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Nov 23 06:22:56 2018 Received: (at 33398) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Nov 2018 11:22:57 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43058 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gQ9Y0-0007Ig-Md for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Nov 2018 06:22:56 -0500 Received: from relay9-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.199]:51297) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gQ9Xz-0007IY-97 for 33398@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Nov 2018 06:22:56 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 203.220.109.78 Received: from epi.local (78.109.220.203.dial.dynamic.acc01-mark-wlg.comindico.com.au [203.220.109.78]) (Authenticated sender: van@scratch.space) by relay9-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0CCEBFF832; Fri, 23 Nov 2018 11:22:51 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) Subject: Re: bug#33398: 26.1, netbsd-8; Hi Lock Faces, Hi Green B, default setting suggestion From: Van L In-Reply-To: <834lc8gpcw.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2018 22:22:45 +1100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <36469A37-7886-45CA-B7D7-D704E6905130@scratch.space> References: <9B715204-BE6D-4F02-B484-1EA9EDACE0EB@scratch.space> <87wope15gh.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <4D07BB6C-98A9-4EC2-BB37-097D5D753E53@scratch.space> <87wopbzeuy.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87d0r04tmg.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87sgzv747k.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <740AF1DA-7EDB-4310-8C6E-F7944D714513@scratch.space> <87sgzuca5o.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87a7m0hi5t.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <834lc8gpcw.fsf@gnu.org> To: Eli Zaretskii X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33398 Cc: 33398@debbugs.gnu.org, juri@linkov.net X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > It will never be backported. That=E2=80=99s too sad.= From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Nov 23 10:54:37 2018 Received: (at 33398) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Nov 2018 15:54:37 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44459 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gQDmv-0007ic-63 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Nov 2018 10:54:37 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:59485) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gQDmu-0007iP-0N for 33398@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Nov 2018 10:54:36 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gQDmk-0008AJ-Ex for 33398@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Nov 2018 10:54:30 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:60749) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gQDmk-0008AD-C4; Fri, 23 Nov 2018 10:54:26 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4208 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1gQDmj-0000xs-JT; Fri, 23 Nov 2018 10:54:26 -0500 Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2018 17:54:21 +0200 Message-Id: <83pnuvg576.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Van L In-reply-to: <36469A37-7886-45CA-B7D7-D704E6905130@scratch.space> (message from Van L on Fri, 23 Nov 2018 22:22:45 +1100) Subject: Re: bug#33398: 26.1, netbsd-8; Hi Lock Faces, Hi Green B, default setting suggestion References: <9B715204-BE6D-4F02-B484-1EA9EDACE0EB@scratch.space> <87wope15gh.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <4D07BB6C-98A9-4EC2-BB37-097D5D753E53@scratch.space> <87wopbzeuy.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87d0r04tmg.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87sgzv747k.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <740AF1DA-7EDB-4310-8C6E-F7944D714513@scratch.space> <87sgzuca5o.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87a7m0hi5t.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <834lc8gpcw.fsf@gnu.org> <36469A37-7886-45CA-B7D7-D704E6905130@scratch.space> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33398 Cc: 33398@debbugs.gnu.org, juri@linkov.net X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) > From: Van L > Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2018 22:22:45 +1100 > Cc: juri@linkov.net, > 33398@debbugs.gnu.org > > > It will never be backported. > > That’s too sad. Why sad? Faces are easily customized; people who don't like the default looks of a face can customize it as they see fit. There's no need to wait for an Emacs release that changes the defaults. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Nov 24 16:59:40 2018 Received: (at 33398) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Nov 2018 21:59:40 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45892 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gQfxk-0004gC-D4 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 24 Nov 2018 16:59:40 -0500 Received: from bisque.maple.relay.mailchannels.net ([23.83.214.18]:3505) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gQfxi-0004g3-AN for 33398@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 24 Nov 2018 16:59:39 -0500 X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@jurta.org Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFB684259F; Sat, 24 Nov 2018 21:59:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a3.g.dreamhost.com (unknown [100.96.26.166]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 88FB4426E4; Sat, 24 Nov 2018 21:59:36 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@jurta.org Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a3.g.dreamhost.com (pop.dreamhost.com [64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.16.2); Sat, 24 Nov 2018 21:59:36 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@jurta.org X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost X-Share-Absorbed: 046df0390616a345_1543096776661_742643072 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1543096776661:2216722771 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1543096776661 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a3.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a3.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FD5480570; Sat, 24 Nov 2018 13:59:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=linkov.net; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :content-type; s=linkov.net; bh=7t4f8yXXRAhC7L/wFw9ZtlBEORk=; b= f02Pwr+q2rg6uM06vMD8hpNO3rw3pGw6l4Eyrp0MSubMyW+To2j7BeLS37y960eL SOd4j53RbkC2BwDfCp5gdJy/b/9VzFKPLIM6ODDQ8qNOe0EMRBZ1XpB2B+IrVyX4 RWHzl31L2tFv8AWCwnA/tt20u7HjjieVxK923GJM+wE= Received: from mail.jurta.org (m91-129-107-242.cust.tele2.ee [91.129.107.242]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jurta@jurta.org) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a3.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 016068056A; Sat, 24 Nov 2018 13:59:33 -0800 (PST) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a3 From: Juri Linkov To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#33398: 26.1, netbsd-8; Hi Lock Faces, Hi Green B, default setting suggestion Organization: LINKOV.NET References: <9B715204-BE6D-4F02-B484-1EA9EDACE0EB@scratch.space> <87wope15gh.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <4D07BB6C-98A9-4EC2-BB37-097D5D753E53@scratch.space> <87wopbzeuy.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87d0r04tmg.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87sgzv747k.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <740AF1DA-7EDB-4310-8C6E-F7944D714513@scratch.space> <87sgzuca5o.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87a7m0hi5t.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <837eh4gpjd.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2018 23:29:15 +0200 In-Reply-To: <837eh4gpjd.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 23 Nov 2018 10:35:02 +0200") Message-ID: <87a7lyi29o.fsf@mail.linkov.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-VR-OUT-STATUS: OK X-VR-OUT-SCORE: -100 X-VR-OUT-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedtkedruddufedgudehiecutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucggtfgfnhhsuhgsshgtrhhisggvpdfftffgtefojffquffvnecuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmdenucfjughrpefhvffuohhfffgjkfgfgggtsehttdertddtredtnecuhfhrohhmpefluhhrihcunfhinhhkohhvuceojhhurhhisehlihhnkhhovhdrnhgvtheqnecukfhppeeluddruddvledruddtjedrvdegvdenucfrrghrrghmpehmohguvgepshhmthhppdhhvghlohepmhgrihhlrdhjuhhrthgrrdhorhhgpdhinhgvthepledurdduvdelrddutdejrddvgedvpdhrvghtuhhrnhdqphgrthhhpefluhhrihcunfhinhhkohhvuceojhhurhhisehlihhnkhhovhdrnhgvtheqpdhmrghilhhfrhhomhepjhhurhhisehlihhnkhhovhdrnhgvthdpnhhrtghpthhtohepvghlihiisehgnhhurdhorhhgnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptd X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33398 Cc: van@scratch.space, 33398@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) >> (defface hi-pink >> - '((((background dark)) (:background "pink" :foreground "black")) >> - (t (:background "pink"))) >> + '((((min-colors 88) (background dark)) >> + (:background "pink" :foreground "black")) >> + (((background dark)) (:background "red" :foreground "black")) >> + (((min-colors 88)) (:background "pink")) >> + (t (:background "red"))) >> "Face for hi-lock mode." >> :group 'hi-lock-faces) > > Thanks for working on this, but unfortunately changing the default > colors for Emacs faces is not that easy (which is why we do that only > very rarely). I understand that face changing is very sensitive area, so I don't insist on these changes if the result is worse. What I was trying to do is to add 2 more default colors: the current 4 is too small number of the default background colors, so adding 2 colors will at least cover all available 6 non-black-white colors on a 8-color TTY. > You cannot test your colors in just two points: 8-color TTY and > 256-color display (you probably used a GUI frame?). For starters, > there's the 16-color TTY, where according to my testing your changes > are for the worse. And I would also suggest to test with a 88-color > TTY. You need to test for both dark and light backgrounds. I tested these colors with TERM=xterm-256color where running emacs -Q -nw --color=8 -f list-colors-display displays a list of 8 colors, good. But running emacs -Q -nw --color=16 -f list-colors-display displays a list of 256 colors, the same number of colors properly displayed by emacs -Q -nw --color=256 -f list-colors-display Is this a bug in Emacs? Could you recommend a better way to test a 16-color palette on a TTY? > In general, if the automatic color translation in tty-colors.el does a > good job (you can test that by specifying the X color and watching the > result), it is best not to have a special definition for the > corresponding min-colors. So, for example, for the new hi-magenta and > hi-cyan faces you introduce, please see whether you really need the > definitions for less than 88 colors -- they will only be needed if the > automatic translation produces unpleasant results. For the new faces I copied the defface spec conditions from the existing faces hi-yellow and hi-green that have separate conditions for less than 88 colors. But we could drop unnecessary conditions here as well. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Nov 25 11:46:34 2018 Received: (at 33398) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Nov 2018 16:46:34 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47548 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gQxYH-00028n-Mx for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 25 Nov 2018 11:46:33 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:49162) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gQxYG-00028b-Tn for 33398@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 25 Nov 2018 11:46:33 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gQxY8-00075k-Mm for 33398@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 25 Nov 2018 11:46:27 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:54839) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gQxY8-00075b-K5; Sun, 25 Nov 2018 11:46:24 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1521 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1gQxY8-0003wl-8M; Sun, 25 Nov 2018 11:46:24 -0500 Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2018 18:46:27 +0200 Message-Id: <837eh1jeak.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Juri Linkov In-reply-to: <87a7lyi29o.fsf@mail.linkov.net> (message from Juri Linkov on Sat, 24 Nov 2018 23:29:15 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#33398: 26.1, netbsd-8; Hi Lock Faces, Hi Green B, default setting suggestion References: <9B715204-BE6D-4F02-B484-1EA9EDACE0EB@scratch.space> <87wope15gh.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <4D07BB6C-98A9-4EC2-BB37-097D5D753E53@scratch.space> <87wopbzeuy.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87d0r04tmg.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87sgzv747k.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <740AF1DA-7EDB-4310-8C6E-F7944D714513@scratch.space> <87sgzuca5o.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87a7m0hi5t.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <837eh4gpjd.fsf@gnu.org> <87a7lyi29o.fsf@mail.linkov.net> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33398 Cc: van@scratch.space, 33398@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) > From: Juri Linkov > Cc: van@scratch.space, 33398@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2018 23:29:15 +0200 > > >> (defface hi-pink > >> - '((((background dark)) (:background "pink" :foreground "black")) > >> - (t (:background "pink"))) > >> + '((((min-colors 88) (background dark)) > >> + (:background "pink" :foreground "black")) > >> + (((background dark)) (:background "red" :foreground "black")) > >> + (((min-colors 88)) (:background "pink")) > >> + (t (:background "red"))) > >> "Face for hi-lock mode." > >> :group 'hi-lock-faces) > > > > Thanks for working on this, but unfortunately changing the default > > colors for Emacs faces is not that easy (which is why we do that only > > very rarely). > > I understand that face changing is very sensitive area, so I don't insist > on these changes if the result is worse. What I was trying to do is to > add 2 more default colors: the current 4 is too small number of the default > background colors, so adding 2 colors will at least cover all available > 6 non-black-white colors on a 8-color TTY. Then I don't understand why you also changed the faces we had already. Leaving them alone will lower the risk that someone will become annoyed by the changes. > emacs -Q -nw --color=8 -f list-colors-display > > displays a list of 8 colors, good. But running > > emacs -Q -nw --color=16 -f list-colors-display > > displays a list of 256 colors, the same number of colors properly displayed by > > emacs -Q -nw --color=256 -f list-colors-display > > Is this a bug in Emacs? Not a bug, a subtlety: the only numeric argument you can reliably submit to --color= is 8, because it alone has a standard set of termcap/terminfo commands to set and reset colors. Maybe we should amend the documentation so that people don't expect other numbers to work. > Could you recommend a better way to test a 16-color palette on a > TTY? Use a 16-color terminfo entry. > For the new faces I copied the defface spec conditions from the existing > faces hi-yellow and hi-green that have separate conditions for less than > 88 colors. But we could drop unnecessary conditions here as well. That some face does have such conditional color definitions doesn't mean another face also should. It depends on the results we get on color-challenged terminals via color translation. 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Sun, 25 Nov 2018 13:09:57 -0800 (PST) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a3 From: Juri Linkov To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#33398: 26.1, netbsd-8; Hi Lock Faces, Hi Green B, default setting suggestion Organization: LINKOV.NET References: <9B715204-BE6D-4F02-B484-1EA9EDACE0EB@scratch.space> <87wope15gh.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <4D07BB6C-98A9-4EC2-BB37-097D5D753E53@scratch.space> <87wopbzeuy.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87d0r04tmg.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87sgzv747k.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <740AF1DA-7EDB-4310-8C6E-F7944D714513@scratch.space> <87sgzuca5o.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87a7m0hi5t.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <837eh4gpjd.fsf@gnu.org> <87a7lyi29o.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <837eh1jeak.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2018 22:25:25 +0200 In-Reply-To: <837eh1jeak.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sun, 25 Nov 2018 18:46:27 +0200") Message-ID: <87k1l0c3be.fsf@mail.linkov.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-VR-OUT-STATUS: OK X-VR-OUT-SCORE: -100 X-VR-OUT-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedtkedrudduhedgudeglecutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucggtfgfnhhsuhgsshgtrhhisggvpdfftffgtefojffquffvnecuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmdenucfjughrpefhvffuohhfffgjkfgfgggtgfesthekredttderjeenucfhrhhomheplfhurhhiucfnihhnkhhovhcuoehjuhhriheslhhinhhkohhvrdhnvghtqeenucfkphepledurdduvdelrddutdejrddvgedvnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhhouggvpehsmhhtphdphhgvlhhopehmrghilhdrjhhurhhtrgdrohhrghdpihhnvghtpeeluddruddvledruddtjedrvdegvddprhgvthhurhhnqdhprghthheplfhurhhiucfnihhnkhhovhcuoehjuhhriheslhhinhhkohhvrdhnvghtqedpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehjuhhriheslhhinhhkohhvrdhnvghtpdhnrhgtphhtthhopegvlhhiiiesghhnuhdrohhrghenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedt Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33398 Cc: van@scratch.space, 33398@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) >> >> (defface hi-pink >> >> - '((((background dark)) (:background "pink" :foreground "black")) >> >> - (t (:background "pink"))) >> >> + '((((min-colors 88) (background dark)) >> >> + (:background "pink" :foreground "black")) >> >> + (((background dark)) (:background "red" :foreground "black")) >> >> + (((min-colors 88)) (:background "pink")) >> >> + (t (:background "red"))) >> >> "Face for hi-lock mode." >> >> :group 'hi-lock-faces) >> > >> > Thanks for working on this, but unfortunately changing the default >> > colors for Emacs faces is not that easy (which is why we do that onl= y >> > very rarely). >>=20 >> I understand that face changing is very sensitive area, so I don't ins= ist >> on these changes if the result is worse. What I was trying to do is t= o >> add 2 more default colors: the current 4 is too small number of the de= fault >> background colors, so adding 2 colors will at least cover all availabl= e >> 6 non-black-white colors on a 8-color TTY. > > Then I don't understand why you also changed the faces we had > already. Leaving them alone will lower the risk that someone will > become annoyed by the changes. The problem is that the condition '(t (:background "pink"))' is automatically translated to "magenta" on a 8-color TTY. And in the 'hi-blue' face '(t (:background "light blue"))' is translated to "cyan". So to add a new face with a "blue" background on a 8-color TTY with the condition '(t (:background "blue"))' we have no suitable name for a new face, become the most suitable name 'hi-blue' is already taken by the existing face that is displayed as "cyan". The same problem is with 'hi-pink' that is currently translated to "magenta", not to "red" on a 8-color TTY. >> emacs -Q -nw --color=3D8 -f list-colors-display >>=20 >> displays a list of 8 colors, good. But running >>=20 >> emacs -Q -nw --color=3D16 -f list-colors-display >>=20 >> displays a list of 256 colors, the same number of colors properly disp= layed by >>=20 >> emacs -Q -nw --color=3D256 -f list-colors-display >>=20 >> Is this a bug in Emacs? > > Not a bug, a subtlety: the only numeric argument you can reliably > submit to --color=3D is 8, because it alone has a standard set of > termcap/terminfo commands to set and reset colors. Maybe we should > amend the documentation so that people don't expect other numbers to > work. Currently it's documented in (info "(emacs) Colors X") =E2=80=98--color=3DMODE=E2=80=99 ... =E2=80=98NUM=E2=80=99 ... Depending on your terminal=E2=80=99s capabilities, Emacs might = be able to turn on a color mode for 8, 16, 88, or 256 as the value of N= UM. I guess the key point is "Depending on your terminal=E2=80=99s capabiliti= es". This might explain why values other than 8 and 256 are not supported. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Nov 26 11:01:27 2018 Received: (at 33398) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Nov 2018 16:01:27 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49991 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gRJKA-0007Ww-PY for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 11:01:27 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:47178) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gRJK8-0007Wf-C0 for 33398@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 11:01:24 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gRJJy-0002Jn-Gr for 33398@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 11:01:19 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:50326) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gRJJy-0002Jf-Dm; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 11:01:14 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4065 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1gRJJw-0005lS-Io; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 11:01:14 -0500 Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 18:01:17 +0200 Message-Id: <83h8g3j0aa.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Juri Linkov In-reply-to: <87k1l0c3be.fsf@mail.linkov.net> (message from Juri Linkov on Sun, 25 Nov 2018 22:25:25 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#33398: 26.1, netbsd-8; Hi Lock Faces, Hi Green B, default setting suggestion References: <9B715204-BE6D-4F02-B484-1EA9EDACE0EB@scratch.space> <87wope15gh.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <4D07BB6C-98A9-4EC2-BB37-097D5D753E53@scratch.space> <87wopbzeuy.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87d0r04tmg.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87sgzv747k.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <740AF1DA-7EDB-4310-8C6E-F7944D714513@scratch.space> <87sgzuca5o.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87a7m0hi5t.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <837eh4gpjd.fsf@gnu.org> <87a7lyi29o.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <837eh1jeak.fsf@gnu.org> <87k1l0c3be.fsf@mail.linkov.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33398 Cc: van@scratch.space, 33398@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) > From: Juri Linkov > Cc: van@scratch.space, 33398@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2018 22:25:25 +0200 > > The problem is that the condition '(t (:background "pink"))' is > automatically translated to "magenta" on a 8-color TTY. And in the > 'hi-blue' face '(t (:background "light blue"))' is translated to "cyan". > > So to add a new face with a "blue" background on a 8-color TTY > with the condition '(t (:background "blue"))' we have no suitable name > for a new face, become the most suitable name 'hi-blue' is already > taken by the existing face that is displayed as "cyan". > > The same problem is with 'hi-pink' that is currently translated to > "magenta", not to "red" on a 8-color TTY. (Converting "pink" to "magenta" and "lightblue" to "cyan" sounds fine to me.) So your problem is with the names of the faces? Then may I suggest to name the new faces hi-red and hi-deepblue? > ‘--color=MODE’ > ... > ‘NUM’ > ... > Depending on your terminal’s capabilities, Emacs might be able > to turn on a color mode for 8, 16, 88, or 256 as the value of NUM. > > I guess the key point is "Depending on your terminal’s capabilities". > This might explain why values other than 8 and 256 are not supported. Right. But this subtlety is slightly misleading. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Nov 26 19:38:35 2018 Received: (at 33398) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Nov 2018 00:38:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50239 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gRROc-0000Mt-PP for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 19:38:35 -0500 Received: from insect.birch.relay.mailchannels.net ([23.83.209.93]:48688) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gRROa-0000Mk-S9 for 33398@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 19:38:33 -0500 X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@jurta.org Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 980055C29DB; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 00:38:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a3.g.dreamhost.com (unknown [100.96.11.179]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 44DA75C28DE; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 00:38:31 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@jurta.org Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a3.g.dreamhost.com (pop.dreamhost.com [64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.16.2); Tue, 27 Nov 2018 00:38:31 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@jurta.org X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost X-Stretch-Stretch: 66ecb34e3e158f8e_1543279111449_3461100032 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1543279111449:2725241589 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1543279111448 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a3.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a3.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EBF6807FD; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 16:38:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=linkov.net; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :content-type; s=linkov.net; bh=FYpCtzfnR9IvNgVviSe14OjeB3g=; b= uEku8HVrc63XKRjHDe3RCQ5QZLlba5ZULnHhOjEd9FWKQefGIb6u/DDofwMjatZ5 uo1VwFzftls0enrVc0GWRFxbrqmAaEpF6m29UVs6NtUUN21CIGE2JpS2/QHbwDI7 SlF2lEUlzoY5u9AhsBTxOR3flQ5Ioq8c8tL4F3fj2ng= Received: from mail.jurta.org (m91-129-107-242.cust.tele2.ee [91.129.107.242]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jurta@jurta.org) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a3.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 70C2380801; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 16:38:27 -0800 (PST) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a3 From: Juri Linkov To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#33398: 26.1, netbsd-8; Hi Lock Faces, Hi Green B, default setting suggestion Organization: LINKOV.NET References: <9B715204-BE6D-4F02-B484-1EA9EDACE0EB@scratch.space> <87wope15gh.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <4D07BB6C-98A9-4EC2-BB37-097D5D753E53@scratch.space> <87wopbzeuy.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87d0r04tmg.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87sgzv747k.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <740AF1DA-7EDB-4310-8C6E-F7944D714513@scratch.space> <87sgzuca5o.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87a7m0hi5t.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <837eh4gpjd.fsf@gnu.org> <87a7lyi29o.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <837eh1jeak.fsf@gnu.org> <87k1l0c3be.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83h8g3j0aa.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 01:27:40 +0200 In-Reply-To: <83h8g3j0aa.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 26 Nov 2018 18:01:17 +0200") Message-ID: <87y39fmnbn.fsf@mail.linkov.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-VR-OUT-STATUS: OK X-VR-OUT-SCORE: -100 X-VR-OUT-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedtkedruddukedgvdegucetufdoteggodetrfdotffvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuggftfghnshhusghstghrihgsvgdpffftgfetoffjqffuvfenuceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmnecujfgurhephffvufhofhffjgfkfgggtgesthdtredttdertdenucfhrhhomheplfhurhhiucfnihhnkhhovhcuoehjuhhriheslhhinhhkohhvrdhnvghtqeenucfkphepledurdduvdelrddutdejrddvgedvnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhhouggvpehsmhhtphdphhgvlhhopehmrghilhdrjhhurhhtrgdrohhrghdpihhnvghtpeeluddruddvledruddtjedrvdegvddprhgvthhurhhnqdhprghthheplfhurhhiucfnihhnkhhovhcuoehjuhhriheslhhinhhkohhvrdhnvghtqedpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehjuhhriheslhhinhhkohhvrdhnvghtpdhnrhgtphhtthhopegvlhhiiiesghhnuhdrohhrghenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedu X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33398 Cc: Van L , 33398@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) > So your problem is with the names of the faces? Then may I suggest to > name the new faces hi-red and hi-deepblue? Maybe something like this, but I'm not sure because the red background would be too glaring on 88 colors, but more readable orchid1 is not quite red. Also blue would be too dark for a light background, but more readable DarkSlateGray1 is not quite blue as its name suggests. diff --git a/lisp/hi-lock.el b/lisp/hi-lock.el index f503c2764b..223b1007a8 100644 --- a/lisp/hi-lock.el +++ b/lisp/hi-lock.el @@ -177,6 +177,24 @@ hi-blue "Face for hi-lock mode." :group 'hi-lock-faces) +(defface hi-red + '((((min-colors 88) (background dark)) + (:background "orchid1" :foreground "black")) + (((background dark)) (:background "red" :foreground "black")) + (((min-colors 88)) (:background "orchid1")) + (t (:background "red"))) + "Face for hi-lock mode." + :group 'hi-lock-faces) + +(defface hi-deepblue + '((((min-colors 88) (background dark)) + (:background "DarkSlateGray1" :foreground "black")) + (((background dark)) (:background "blue" :foreground "black")) + (((min-colors 88)) (:background "DarkSlateGray1")) + (t (:background "blue"))) + "Face for hi-lock mode." + :group 'hi-lock-faces) + (defface hi-black-b '((t (:weight bold))) "Face for hi-lock mode." @@ -189,13 +207,13 @@ hi-blue-b :group 'hi-lock-faces) (defface hi-green-b - '((((min-colors 88)) (:weight bold :foreground "green1")) + '((((min-colors 88)) (:weight bold :foreground "green3")) (t (:weight bold :foreground "green"))) "Face for hi-lock mode." :group 'hi-lock-faces) (defface hi-red-b - '((((min-colors 88)) (:weight bold :foreground "red1")) + '((((min-colors 88)) (:weight bold :foreground "firebrick2")) (t (:weight bold :foreground "red"))) "Face for hi-lock mode." :group 'hi-lock-faces) @@ -216,8 +234,8 @@ hi-lock-interactive-patterns (define-obsolete-variable-alias 'hi-lock-face-history 'hi-lock-face-defaults "23.1") (defvar hi-lock-face-defaults - '("hi-yellow" "hi-pink" "hi-green" "hi-blue" "hi-black-b" - "hi-blue-b" "hi-red-b" "hi-green-b" "hi-black-hb") + '("hi-yellow" "hi-pink" "hi-green" "hi-blue" "hi-red" "hi-deepblue" + "hi-black-b" "hi-blue-b" "hi-red-b" "hi-green-b" "hi-black-hb") "Default faces for hi-lock interactive functions.") (define-obsolete-variable-alias 'hi-lock-regexp-history From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Nov 27 00:56:56 2018 Received: (at 33398) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Nov 2018 05:56:56 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50360 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gRWMi-0003jz-7T for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 00:56:56 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:46418) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gRWMg-0003jm-9L for 33398@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 00:56:54 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gRWMW-0007XN-R9 for 33398@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 00:56:49 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:37156) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gRWMW-0007XH-Ob; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 00:56:44 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4633 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1gRWMW-0002Om-CZ; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 00:56:44 -0500 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 07:56:51 +0200 Message-Id: <83mupvgj18.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Juri Linkov In-reply-to: <87y39fmnbn.fsf@mail.linkov.net> (message from Juri Linkov on Tue, 27 Nov 2018 01:27:40 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#33398: 26.1, netbsd-8; Hi Lock Faces, Hi Green B, default setting suggestion References: <9B715204-BE6D-4F02-B484-1EA9EDACE0EB@scratch.space> <87wope15gh.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <4D07BB6C-98A9-4EC2-BB37-097D5D753E53@scratch.space> <87wopbzeuy.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87d0r04tmg.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87sgzv747k.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <740AF1DA-7EDB-4310-8C6E-F7944D714513@scratch.space> <87sgzuca5o.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87a7m0hi5t.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <837eh4gpjd.fsf@gnu.org> <87a7lyi29o.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <837eh1jeak.fsf@gnu.org> <87k1l0c3be.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83h8g3j0aa.fsf@gnu.org> <87y39fmnbn.fsf@mail.linkov.net> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33398 Cc: van@scratch.space, 33398@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) > From: Juri Linkov > Cc: Van L , 33398@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 01:27:40 +0200 > > > So your problem is with the names of the faces? Then may I suggest to > > name the new faces hi-red and hi-deepblue? > > Maybe something like this, but I'm not sure because the red background would > be too glaring on 88 colors, but more readable orchid1 is not quite red. Is OrangeRed better? > Also blue would be too dark for a light background, but more readable > DarkSlateGray1 is not quite blue as its name suggests. That's okay, I think. > (defface hi-green-b > - '((((min-colors 88)) (:weight bold :foreground "green1")) > + '((((min-colors 88)) (:weight bold :foreground "green3")) > (t (:weight bold :foreground "green"))) > "Face for hi-lock mode." > :group 'hi-lock-faces) > > (defface hi-red-b > - '((((min-colors 88)) (:weight bold :foreground "red1")) > + '((((min-colors 88)) (:weight bold :foreground "firebrick2")) > (t (:weight bold :foreground "red"))) > "Face for hi-lock mode." > :group 'hi-lock-faces) So why are you still changing the existing faces? Not that I see any problem with these changes on low-color TTYs, but still: why change? 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OrangeRed is not better than red, but simply Orange looks much better, so a new face could be named hi-orange. >> Also blue would be too dark for a light background, but more readable >> DarkSlateGray1 is not quite blue as its name suggests. > > That's okay, I think. I found a better color: Aquamarine, it's very close to DarkSlateGray1, but it's name has a stronger association with blue. >> (defface hi-green-b >> - '((((min-colors 88)) (:weight bold :foreground "green1")) >> + '((((min-colors 88)) (:weight bold :foreground "green3")) >> (t (:weight bold :foreground "green"))) >> "Face for hi-lock mode." >> :group 'hi-lock-faces) >> >> (defface hi-red-b >> - '((((min-colors 88)) (:weight bold :foreground "red1")) >> + '((((min-colors 88)) (:weight bold :foreground "firebrick2")) >> (t (:weight bold :foreground "red"))) >> "Face for hi-lock mode." >> :group 'hi-lock-faces) > > So why are you still changing the existing faces? Not that I see any > problem with these changes on low-color TTYs, but still: why change? The original complain from Van L was that "green1" and "red1" are too glaring, and I agree. The new colors are dimmed down versions that are more easy to read. diff --git a/lisp/hi-lock.el b/lisp/hi-lock.el index f503c2764b..f66a512755 100644 --- a/lisp/hi-lock.el +++ b/lisp/hi-lock.el @@ -177,6 +177,24 @@ hi-blue "Face for hi-lock mode." :group 'hi-lock-faces) +(defface hi-orange + '((((min-colors 88) (background dark)) + (:background "orange" :foreground "black")) + (((background dark)) (:background "red" :foreground "black")) + (((min-colors 88)) (:background "orange")) + (t (:background "red"))) + "Face for hi-lock mode." + :group 'hi-lock-faces) + +(defface hi-aquamarine + '((((min-colors 88) (background dark)) + (:background "aquamarine" :foreground "black")) + (((background dark)) (:background "blue" :foreground "black")) + (((min-colors 88)) (:background "aquamarine")) + (t (:background "blue"))) + "Face for hi-lock mode." + :group 'hi-lock-faces) + (defface hi-black-b '((t (:weight bold))) "Face for hi-lock mode." @@ -189,13 +207,13 @@ hi-blue-b :group 'hi-lock-faces) (defface hi-green-b - '((((min-colors 88)) (:weight bold :foreground "green1")) + '((((min-colors 88)) (:weight bold :foreground "green3")) (t (:weight bold :foreground "green"))) "Face for hi-lock mode." :group 'hi-lock-faces) (defface hi-red-b - '((((min-colors 88)) (:weight bold :foreground "red1")) + '((((min-colors 88)) (:weight bold :foreground "firebrick2")) (t (:weight bold :foreground "red"))) "Face for hi-lock mode." :group 'hi-lock-faces) @@ -216,8 +234,8 @@ hi-lock-interactive-patterns (define-obsolete-variable-alias 'hi-lock-face-history 'hi-lock-face-defaults "23.1") (defvar hi-lock-face-defaults - '("hi-yellow" "hi-pink" "hi-green" "hi-blue" "hi-black-b" - "hi-blue-b" "hi-red-b" "hi-green-b" "hi-black-hb") + '("hi-yellow" "hi-pink" "hi-green" "hi-blue" "hi-orange" "hi-aquamarine" + "hi-black-b" "hi-blue-b" "hi-red-b" "hi-green-b" "hi-black-hb") "Default faces for hi-lock interactive functions.") (define-obsolete-variable-alias 'hi-lock-regexp-history From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Nov 28 18:53:52 2018 Received: (at 33398) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Nov 2018 23:53:52 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53907 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gS9eS-0003yk-1W for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 18:53:52 -0500 Received: from palegreen.birch.relay.mailchannels.net ([23.83.209.140]:15545) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gS9eQ-0003yb-6f for 33398@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 18:53:50 -0500 X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@jurta.org Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8D405C267E; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 23:53:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a3.g.dreamhost.com (unknown [100.96.19.74]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 942CC5C35CB; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 23:53:48 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@jurta.org Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a3.g.dreamhost.com (pop.dreamhost.com [64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.16.2); Wed, 28 Nov 2018 23:53:48 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@jurta.org X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost X-Descriptive-Plucky: 3a5a17f437858da6_1543449228759_1889732027 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1543449228759:1716043947 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1543449228759 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a3.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a3.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FC0A80A22; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 15:53:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=linkov.net; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :content-type; s=linkov.net; bh=oipL+5VoDsjouQBP61bsOA9ghXM=; b= foy8RBiqqnUrAdUZtef9ldUAbvVOHGooGYTd4U8jSZx/OKYjwlPQY9CKlAnivYJr pDGBS6+LfpSBj8eHj3+C8mwIP2wgfIlyR8HXHWewQOeg5PmaiTPihjSrPRBg1ftL gz1qpMttihhveeLtK/c72soPdKkIAMgzT30UpgE56nI= Received: from mail.jurta.org (m91-129-107-242.cust.tele2.ee [91.129.107.242]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jurta@jurta.org) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a3.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 810C480A2A; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 15:53:44 -0800 (PST) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a3 From: Juri Linkov To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#33398: 26.1, netbsd-8; Hi Lock Faces, Hi Green B, default setting suggestion Organization: LINKOV.NET References: <9B715204-BE6D-4F02-B484-1EA9EDACE0EB@scratch.space> <87wope15gh.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <4D07BB6C-98A9-4EC2-BB37-097D5D753E53@scratch.space> <87wopbzeuy.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87d0r04tmg.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87sgzv747k.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <740AF1DA-7EDB-4310-8C6E-F7944D714513@scratch.space> <87sgzuca5o.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87a7m0hi5t.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <837eh4gpjd.fsf@gnu.org> <87a7lyi29o.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <837eh1jeak.fsf@gnu.org> <87k1l0c3be.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83h8g3j0aa.fsf@gnu.org> <87y39fmnbn.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83mupvgj18.fsf@gnu.org> <87r2f6hzf1.fsf@mail.linkov.net> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 01:06:50 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87r2f6hzf1.fsf@mail.linkov.net> (Juri Linkov's message of "Wed, 28 Nov 2018 01:49:54 +0200") Message-ID: <87ftvkssxh.fsf@mail.linkov.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-VR-OUT-STATUS: OK X-VR-OUT-SCORE: -100 X-VR-OUT-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedtkedruddvvddgudejucetufdoteggodetrfdotffvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuggftfghnshhusghstghrihgsvgdpffftgfetoffjqffuvfenuceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmnecujfgurhephffvufhofhffjgfkfgggtgesthdtredttdertdenucfhrhhomheplfhurhhiucfnihhnkhhovhcuoehjuhhriheslhhinhhkohhvrdhnvghtqeenucfkphepledurdduvdelrddutdejrddvgedvnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhhouggvpehsmhhtphdphhgvlhhopehmrghilhdrjhhurhhtrgdrohhrghdpihhnvghtpeeluddruddvledruddtjedrvdegvddprhgvthhurhhnqdhprghthheplfhurhhiucfnihhnkhhovhcuoehjuhhriheslhhinhhkohhvrdhnvghtqedpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehjuhhriheslhhinhhkohhvrdhnvghtpdhnrhgtphhtthhopegvlhhiiiesghhnuhdrohhrghenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedt X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33398 Cc: Van L , 33398@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) >>> Maybe something like this, but I'm not sure because the red background would >>> be too glaring on 88 colors, but more readable orchid1 is not quite red. >> >> Is OrangeRed better? > > OrangeRed is not better than red, but simply Orange looks much better, > so a new face could be named hi-orange. After trying to use Orange, I see it's too saturated, that is bad for light backgrounds. But I found a much better color: Gold. It is still related to red because gold can be reddish in an alloy with copper. diff --git a/lisp/hi-lock.el b/lisp/hi-lock.el index f503c2764b..9cfcdf9916 100644 --- a/lisp/hi-lock.el +++ b/lisp/hi-lock.el @@ -177,6 +177,24 @@ hi-blue "Face for hi-lock mode." :group 'hi-lock-faces) +(defface hi-gold + '((((min-colors 88) (background dark)) + (:background "gold" :foreground "black")) + (((background dark)) (:background "red" :foreground "black")) + (((min-colors 88)) (:background "gold")) + (t (:background "red"))) + "Face for hi-lock mode." + :group 'hi-lock-faces) + +(defface hi-aquamarine + '((((min-colors 88) (background dark)) + (:background "aquamarine" :foreground "black")) + (((background dark)) (:background "blue" :foreground "black")) + (((min-colors 88)) (:background "aquamarine")) + (t (:background "blue"))) + "Face for hi-lock mode." + :group 'hi-lock-faces) + (defface hi-black-b '((t (:weight bold))) "Face for hi-lock mode." @@ -189,13 +207,13 @@ hi-blue-b :group 'hi-lock-faces) (defface hi-green-b - '((((min-colors 88)) (:weight bold :foreground "green1")) + '((((min-colors 88)) (:weight bold :foreground "green3")) (t (:weight bold :foreground "green"))) "Face for hi-lock mode." :group 'hi-lock-faces) (defface hi-red-b - '((((min-colors 88)) (:weight bold :foreground "red1")) + '((((min-colors 88)) (:weight bold :foreground "firebrick2")) (t (:weight bold :foreground "red"))) "Face for hi-lock mode." :group 'hi-lock-faces) @@ -216,8 +234,8 @@ hi-lock-interactive-patterns (define-obsolete-variable-alias 'hi-lock-face-history 'hi-lock-face-defaults "23.1") (defvar hi-lock-face-defaults - '("hi-yellow" "hi-pink" "hi-green" "hi-blue" "hi-black-b" - "hi-blue-b" "hi-red-b" "hi-green-b" "hi-black-hb") + '("hi-yellow" "hi-pink" "hi-green" "hi-blue" "hi-gold" "hi-aquamarine" + "hi-black-b" "hi-blue-b" "hi-red-b" "hi-green-b" "hi-black-hb") "Default faces for hi-lock interactive functions.") (define-obsolete-variable-alias 'hi-lock-regexp-history From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Nov 29 02:32:45 2018 Received: (at 33398) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Nov 2018 07:32:45 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54036 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gSGoW-0006du-Q7 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 02:32:45 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:48082) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gSGoU-0006di-FN for 33398@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 02:32:42 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gSGoK-0001mR-Mr for 33398@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 02:32:37 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:44272) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gSGoK-0001mC-G6; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 02:32:32 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3193 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1gSGoJ-0003El-U9; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 02:32:32 -0500 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 09:32:43 +0200 Message-Id: <838t1ce3tw.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Juri Linkov In-reply-to: <87ftvkssxh.fsf@mail.linkov.net> (message from Juri Linkov on Thu, 29 Nov 2018 01:06:50 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#33398: 26.1, netbsd-8; Hi Lock Faces, Hi Green B, default setting suggestion References: <9B715204-BE6D-4F02-B484-1EA9EDACE0EB@scratch.space> <87wope15gh.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <4D07BB6C-98A9-4EC2-BB37-097D5D753E53@scratch.space> <87wopbzeuy.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87d0r04tmg.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87sgzv747k.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <740AF1DA-7EDB-4310-8C6E-F7944D714513@scratch.space> <87sgzuca5o.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87a7m0hi5t.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <837eh4gpjd.fsf@gnu.org> <87a7lyi29o.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <837eh1jeak.fsf@gnu.org> <87k1l0c3be.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83h8g3j0aa.fsf@gnu.org> <87y39fmnbn.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83mupvgj18.fsf@gnu.org> <87r2f6hzf1.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87ftvkssxh.fsf@mail.linkov.net> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33398 Cc: van@scratch.space, 33398@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) > From: Juri Linkov > Cc: Van L , 33398@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 01:06:50 +0200 > > >>> Maybe something like this, but I'm not sure because the red background would > >>> be too glaring on 88 colors, but more readable orchid1 is not quite red. > >> > >> Is OrangeRed better? > > > > OrangeRed is not better than red, but simply Orange looks much better, > > so a new face could be named hi-orange. > > After trying to use Orange, I see it's too saturated, that is bad for > light backgrounds. But I found a much better color: Gold. It is still > related to red because gold can be reddish in an alloy with copper. I don't see how "gold" can be translated to "red", sorry. It translates to yellow shades on both 8- and 16-color TTYs, as expected. Did you try "IndianRed" instead? 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>> > >> > OrangeRed is not better than red, but simply Orange looks much better, >> > so a new face could be named hi-orange. >> >> After trying to use Orange, I see it's too saturated, that is bad for >> light backgrounds. But I found a much better color: Gold. It is still >> related to red because gold can be reddish in an alloy with copper. > > I don't see how "gold" can be translated to "red", sorry. It > translates to yellow shades on both 8- and 16-color TTYs, as expected. > Did you try "IndianRed" instead? Unfortunately, "IndianRed" is so dark that it's unreadable. Whereas "Gold" is so prefect, that I can't find a replacement. But are translations really required? I created a definition that works well on all environments (I see that "gold" looks good on a graphical terminal, but on a 256-color TTY "orange" is better). Do you see a problem with these best-looking faces? (defface hi-gold '((((min-colors 88) (type x w32 ns)) (:background "gold")) (((min-colors 88)) (:background "orange")) (((min-colors 16)) (:background "red")) (t (:background "red"))) "Face for hi-lock mode." :group 'hi-lock-faces) (defface hi-aquamarine '((((min-colors 88)) (:background "aquamarine")) (((min-colors 16)) (:background "blue")) (t (:background "blue"))) "Face for hi-lock mode." :group 'hi-lock-faces) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Nov 30 02:16:40 2018 Received: (at 33398) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Nov 2018 07:16:40 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55433 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gSd2W-0006Zs-3X for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 30 Nov 2018 02:16:40 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:42727) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gSd2U-0006Zd-9F for 33398@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 30 Nov 2018 02:16:38 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gSd2L-0008Ki-6D for 33398@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 30 Nov 2018 02:16:33 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:41991) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gSd2L-0008KT-2q; Fri, 30 Nov 2018 02:16:29 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3091 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1gSd2K-00070N-L7; Fri, 30 Nov 2018 02:16:28 -0500 Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 09:16:43 +0200 Message-Id: <83o9a7c9wk.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Juri Linkov In-reply-to: <871s73cybi.fsf@mail.linkov.net> (message from Juri Linkov on Fri, 30 Nov 2018 00:29:21 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#33398: 26.1, netbsd-8; Hi Lock Faces, Hi Green B, default setting suggestion References: <9B715204-BE6D-4F02-B484-1EA9EDACE0EB@scratch.space> <4D07BB6C-98A9-4EC2-BB37-097D5D753E53@scratch.space> <87wopbzeuy.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87d0r04tmg.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87sgzv747k.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <740AF1DA-7EDB-4310-8C6E-F7944D714513@scratch.space> <87sgzuca5o.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87a7m0hi5t.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <837eh4gpjd.fsf@gnu.org> <87a7lyi29o.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <837eh1jeak.fsf@gnu.org> <87k1l0c3be.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83h8g3j0aa.fsf@gnu.org> <87y39fmnbn.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83mupvgj18.fsf@gnu.org> <87r2f6hzf1.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87ftvkssxh.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <838t1ce3tw.fsf@gnu.org> <871s73cybi.fsf@mail.linkov.net> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33398 Cc: van@scratch.space, 33398@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) > From: Juri Linkov > Cc: van@scratch.space, 33398@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 00:29:21 +0200 > > > I don't see how "gold" can be translated to "red", sorry. It > > translates to yellow shades on both 8- and 16-color TTYs, as expected. > > Did you try "IndianRed" instead? > > Unfortunately, "IndianRed" is so dark that it's unreadable. > Whereas "Gold" is so prefect, that I can't find a replacement. > But are translations really required? I created a definition > that works well on all environments (I see that "gold" looks good > on a graphical terminal, but on a 256-color TTY "orange" is better). > Do you see a problem with these best-looking faces? Yes, I definitely see a problem when a face called "hi-gold" is displayed as red on some devices. Are you saying that none of the shades of red in rgb.txt is good enough to use on GUI frames where "red" is used on TTYs? I find that hard to believe. What about DarkOrange, what about Coral, what about OrangeRed, what about LightSalmon[1-3], what about sienna[1-3], what about IndianRed1, what about tomato[1-3], chocolate[1-3], etc.? Call it "hi-reddish" if you must, just don't have something called "gold" look red on TTYs, please. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Dec 18 19:38:31 2018 Received: (at 33398) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Dec 2018 00:38:31 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53885 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gZPsc-0006FM-WE for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2018 19:38:31 -0500 Received: from bisque.maple.relay.mailchannels.net ([23.83.214.18]:2233) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gZPsa-0006FA-DT for 33398@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2018 19:38:29 -0500 X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@jurta.org Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF95368299C; Wed, 19 Dec 2018 00:38:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a38.g.dreamhost.com (unknown [100.96.19.78]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 5B09A680D79; Wed, 19 Dec 2018 00:38:26 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@jurta.org Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a38.g.dreamhost.com (pop.dreamhost.com [64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.16.2); Wed, 19 Dec 2018 00:38:26 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@jurta.org X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost X-Name-Zesty: 3745e954529916df_1545179906625_1175278552 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1545179906624:3326524970 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1545179906624 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a38.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a38.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06A7881DF4; Tue, 18 Dec 2018 16:38:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=linkov.net; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :content-type; s=linkov.net; bh=weJfsn0HPNpGYRTRbI9J1aQttMk=; b= T/f06KGoPy+nDo+L4yPgqcKY0XwMNM3qtuNqOm6nqv7Sk+wgS8+dk3IQ2kfmLYEe h9DZ1PJ3NMYlDH8lrlZSxYHe8RcQi2oHeKLpHmUWL4zH8JxlHlD5uWC76qT/9fNa wxslsOcugO2KHIuCJ9jEciH1iP5hkQfnqMTRKMktroM= Received: from mail.jurta.org (m91-129-96-177.cust.tele2.ee [91.129.96.177]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jurta@jurta.org) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a38.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CFA7E81DFB; Tue, 18 Dec 2018 16:38:23 -0800 (PST) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a38 From: Juri Linkov To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#33398: 26.1, netbsd-8; Hi Lock Faces, Hi Green B, default setting suggestion Organization: LINKOV.NET References: <9B715204-BE6D-4F02-B484-1EA9EDACE0EB@scratch.space> <87d0r04tmg.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87sgzv747k.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <740AF1DA-7EDB-4310-8C6E-F7944D714513@scratch.space> <87sgzuca5o.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87a7m0hi5t.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <837eh4gpjd.fsf@gnu.org> <87a7lyi29o.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <837eh1jeak.fsf@gnu.org> <87k1l0c3be.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83h8g3j0aa.fsf@gnu.org> <87y39fmnbn.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83mupvgj18.fsf@gnu.org> <87r2f6hzf1.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87ftvkssxh.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <838t1ce3tw.fsf@gnu.org> <871s73cybi.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83o9a7c9wk.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2018 02:36:33 +0200 In-Reply-To: <83o9a7c9wk.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 30 Nov 2018 09:16:43 +0200") Message-ID: <87ftuuwdwu.fsf@mail.linkov.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-VR-OUT-STATUS: OK X-VR-OUT-SCORE: -100 X-VR-OUT-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedtkedrudeikedgudefkecutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucggtfgfnhhsuhgsshgtrhhisggvpdfftffgtefojffquffvnecuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmdenucfjughrpefhvffuohhfffgjkfgfgggtsehttdertddtredtnecuhfhrohhmpefluhhrihcunfhinhhkohhvuceojhhurhhisehlihhnkhhovhdrnhgvtheqnecuffhomhgrihhnpeifihhkihhpvgguihgrrdhorhhgnecukfhppeeluddruddvledrleeirddujeejnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhhouggvpehsmhhtphdphhgvlhhopehmrghilhdrjhhurhhtrgdrohhrghdpihhnvghtpeeluddruddvledrleeirddujeejpdhrvghtuhhrnhdqphgrthhhpefluhhrihcunfhinhhkohhvuceojhhurhhisehlihhnkhhovhdrnhgvtheqpdhmrghilhhfrhhomhepjhhurhhisehlihhnkhhovhdrnhgvthdpnhhrtghpthhtohepvghlihiisehgnhhurdhorhhgnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptd X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33398 Cc: van@scratch.space, 33398@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) >> > I don't see how "gold" can be translated to "red", sorry. It >> > translates to yellow shades on both 8- and 16-color TTYs, as expected. >> > Did you try "IndianRed" instead? >> >> Unfortunately, "IndianRed" is so dark that it's unreadable. >> Whereas "Gold" is so prefect, that I can't find a replacement. >> But are translations really required? I created a definition >> that works well on all environments (I see that "gold" looks good >> on a graphical terminal, but on a 256-color TTY "orange" is better). >> Do you see a problem with these best-looking faces? > > Yes, I definitely see a problem when a face called "hi-gold" is > displayed as red on some devices. Sorry for asking about such minor issue, but I have another idea below. > Are you saying that none of the shades of red in rgb.txt is good > enough to use on GUI frames where "red" is used on TTYs? I find that > hard to believe. What about DarkOrange, what about Coral, what about > OrangeRed, what about LightSalmon[1-3], what about sienna[1-3], what > about IndianRed1, what about tomato[1-3], chocolate[1-3], etc.? Among all these colors the least bad is LightSalmon, but it has the same saturation as Orange, not as much lighter Gold that would be the best choice. > Call it "hi-reddish" if you must, just don't have something called > "gold" look red on TTYs, please. We can call it "hi-redgold" because such thing really exists: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_gold (defface hi-redgold '((((min-colors 88) (type x w32 ns)) (:background "gold")) (((min-colors 88)) (:background "orange")) (((min-colors 16)) (:background "red")) (t (:background "red"))) "Face for hi-lock mode." :group 'hi-lock-faces) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Dec 18 22:50:20 2018 Received: (at 33398) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Dec 2018 03:50:20 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53931 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gZSsG-0002Zd-K0 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2018 22:50:20 -0500 Received: from relay1-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.193]:51913) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gZSsE-0002ZU-O8 for 33398@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2018 22:50:19 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 193.82.248.193 Received: from epi.local (193-82-248-193.tpgi.com.au [193.82.248.193]) (Authenticated sender: van@scratch.space) by relay1-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D8413240003; Wed, 19 Dec 2018 03:50:14 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) Subject: Re: bug#33398: 26.1, netbsd-8; Hi Lock Faces, Hi Green B, default setting suggestion From: Van L In-Reply-To: <87ftuuwdwu.fsf@mail.linkov.net> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2018 14:50:09 +1100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <7E77D931-EAB2-4F62-9ACA-8707B8C6E6E1@scratch.space> References: <9B715204-BE6D-4F02-B484-1EA9EDACE0EB@scratch.space> <87d0r04tmg.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87sgzv747k.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <740AF1DA-7EDB-4310-8C6E-F7944D714513@scratch.space> <87sgzuca5o.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87a7m0hi5t.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <837eh4gpjd.fsf@gnu.org> <87a7lyi29o.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <837eh1jeak.fsf@gnu.org> <87k1l0c3be.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83h8g3j0aa.fsf@gnu.org> <87y39fmnbn.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83mupvgj18.fsf@gnu.org> <87r2f6hzf1.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87ftvkssxh.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <838t1ce3tw.fsf@gnu.org> <871s73cybi.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83o9a7c9wk.fsf@gnu.org> <87ftuuwdwu.fsf@mail.linkov.net> To: Juri Linkov X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33398 Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 33398@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > Among all these colors the least bad is LightSalmon, > but it has the same saturation as Orange, not as much lighter Gold > that would be the best choice. After experimenting with salmon, I discovered coral when looking for living coral which happens to be a color for makeup. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Dec 19 10:19:35 2018 Received: (at 33398) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Dec 2018 15:19:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54961 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gZddG-00018y-VD for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 19 Dec 2018 10:19:35 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:45740) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gZddF-00018I-C0 for 33398@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 19 Dec 2018 10:19:33 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gZdd6-0003r9-Vr for 33398@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 19 Dec 2018 10:19:28 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:39482) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gZdd6-0003qr-Po; Wed, 19 Dec 2018 10:19:24 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4542 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1gZdd6-0007EF-9j; Wed, 19 Dec 2018 10:19:24 -0500 Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2018 17:19:34 +0200 Message-Id: <83lg4lcznd.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Juri Linkov In-reply-to: <87ftuuwdwu.fsf@mail.linkov.net> (message from Juri Linkov on Wed, 19 Dec 2018 02:36:33 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#33398: 26.1, netbsd-8; Hi Lock Faces, Hi Green B, default setting suggestion References: <9B715204-BE6D-4F02-B484-1EA9EDACE0EB@scratch.space> <87d0r04tmg.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87sgzv747k.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <740AF1DA-7EDB-4310-8C6E-F7944D714513@scratch.space> <87sgzuca5o.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87a7m0hi5t.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <837eh4gpjd.fsf@gnu.org> <87a7lyi29o.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <837eh1jeak.fsf@gnu.org> <87k1l0c3be.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83h8g3j0aa.fsf@gnu.org> <87y39fmnbn.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83mupvgj18.fsf@gnu.org> <87r2f6hzf1.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87ftvkssxh.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <838t1ce3tw.fsf@gnu.org> <871s73cybi.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83o9a7c9wk.fsf@gnu.org> <87ftuuwdwu.fsf@mail.linkov.net> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33398 Cc: van@scratch.space, 33398@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) > From: Juri Linkov > Cc: van@scratch.space, 33398@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2018 02:36:33 +0200 > > > Call it "hi-reddish" if you must, just don't have something called > > "gold" look red on TTYs, please. > > We can call it "hi-redgold" because such thing really exists: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_gold If that's the best we can do... > (defface hi-redgold > '((((min-colors 88) (type x w32 ns)) (:background "gold")) > (((min-colors 88)) (:background "orange")) > (((min-colors 16)) (:background "red")) > (t (:background "red"))) How about this instead: (defface hi-redgold '((((min-colors 8)) (:background "red")) (t (:background "gold"))) "Face for hi-lock mode." :group 'hi-lock-faces) I see no reason to use "red" on 16-color terminals, nor "orange" on color TTYs with at least 88 colors. The translation of "gold" should be good enough in those cases. Isn't it? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Dec 19 16:59:57 2018 Received: (at 33398) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Dec 2018 21:59:57 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55193 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gZjsj-00053w-Ki for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 19 Dec 2018 16:59:57 -0500 Received: from golden.birch.relay.mailchannels.net ([23.83.209.73]:9936) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gZjsh-00053n-GE for 33398@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 19 Dec 2018 16:59:55 -0500 X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@jurta.org Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57CBD3E3F6D; Wed, 19 Dec 2018 21:59:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a54.g.dreamhost.com (unknown [100.96.33.121]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 0736A3E43F8; Wed, 19 Dec 2018 21:59:54 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@jurta.org Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a54.g.dreamhost.com (pop.dreamhost.com [64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.16.2); Wed, 19 Dec 2018 21:59:54 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@jurta.org X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost X-Towering-Quick: 6f7f4ac7305281c6_1545256794172_536916427 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1545256794172:2344982108 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1545256794172 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a54.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a54.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D4B6803BA; Wed, 19 Dec 2018 13:59:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=linkov.net; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :content-type; s=linkov.net; bh=wXg2xsjThQc8mNmppMcYtzAt52g=; b= QilllF1erNCmrEs2pOwp9oSUeaLySxH1UEMexkQ819WWMfPDikzqSDRKuOHlWcAZ VTEVS6XPZbPXihyZZLC2f/d1GUZy5z6EmamfNZDtGH6w/ib5se1eeWtgZ7SAtBcl W0NXsyHm17DjhYhdOKpvpNDfEUqY8mWOk9091qHCy9k= Received: from mail.jurta.org (m91-129-106-79.cust.tele2.ee [91.129.106.79]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jurta@jurta.org) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a54.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EDD44803B5; Wed, 19 Dec 2018 13:59:49 -0800 (PST) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a54 From: Juri Linkov To: Van L Subject: Re: bug#33398: 26.1, netbsd-8; Hi Lock Faces, Hi Green B, default setting suggestion Organization: LINKOV.NET References: <9B715204-BE6D-4F02-B484-1EA9EDACE0EB@scratch.space> <87sgzv747k.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <740AF1DA-7EDB-4310-8C6E-F7944D714513@scratch.space> <87sgzuca5o.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87a7m0hi5t.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <837eh4gpjd.fsf@gnu.org> <87a7lyi29o.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <837eh1jeak.fsf@gnu.org> <87k1l0c3be.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83h8g3j0aa.fsf@gnu.org> <87y39fmnbn.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83mupvgj18.fsf@gnu.org> <87r2f6hzf1.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87ftvkssxh.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <838t1ce3tw.fsf@gnu.org> <871s73cybi.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83o9a7c9wk.fsf@gnu.org> <87ftuuwdwu.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <7E77D931-EAB2-4F62-9ACA-8707B8C6E6E1@scratch.space> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2018 23:37:30 +0200 In-Reply-To: <7E77D931-EAB2-4F62-9ACA-8707B8C6E6E1@scratch.space> (Van L.'s message of "Wed, 19 Dec 2018 14:50:09 +1100") Message-ID: <87y38lmf1l.fsf@mail.linkov.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-VR-OUT-STATUS: OK X-VR-OUT-SCORE: -100 X-VR-OUT-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedtkedrudejtddgudehiecutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucggtfgfnhhsuhgsshgtrhhisggvpdfftffgtefojffquffvnecuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmdenucfjughrpefhvffuohhfffgjkfgfgggtsehttdertddtredtnecuhfhrohhmpefluhhrihcunfhinhhkohhvuceojhhurhhisehlihhnkhhovhdrnhgvtheqnecukfhppeeluddruddvledruddtiedrjeelnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhhouggvpehsmhhtphdphhgvlhhopehmrghilhdrjhhurhhtrgdrohhrghdpihhnvghtpeeluddruddvledruddtiedrjeelpdhrvghtuhhrnhdqphgrthhhpefluhhrihcunfhinhhkohhvuceojhhurhhisehlihhnkhhovhdrnhgvtheqpdhmrghilhhfrhhomhepjhhurhhisehlihhnkhhovhdrnhgvthdpnhhrtghpthhtohepvhgrnhesshgtrhgrthgthhdrshhprggtvgenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedu X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33398 Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 33398@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) >> Among all these colors the least bad is LightSalmon, >> but it has the same saturation as Orange, not as much lighter Gold >> that would be the best choice. > > After experimenting with salmon, > I discovered coral when looking for > living coral which happens to be > a color for makeup. The problem is that Coral is too saturated. Please note that both Coral and LightSalmon translate to yellow on tty, not to red as needed. So we need to abandon an idea to find such a color that translates to red on tty, and use separate colors for tty and 88-color displays. 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Content preview: >> > Call it "hi-reddish" if you must, just don't have something called >> > "gold" look red on TTYs, please. >> >> We can call it "hi-redgold" because such thing really exists: >> https://en.wikipedi [...] Content analysis details: (1.3 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [23.83.214.22 listed in list.dnswl.org] 1.3 RCVD_IN_RP_RNBL RBL: Relay in RNBL, https://senderscore.org/blacklistlookup/ [23.83.214.22 listed in bl.score.senderscore.com] X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33398 Cc: van@scratch.space, 33398@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) >> > Call it "hi-reddish" if you must, just don't have something called >> > "gold" look red on TTYs, please. >> >> We can call it "hi-redgold" because such thing really exists: >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_gold > > If that's the best we can do... Another variant that you suggested to try LightSalmon looks good too, and maybe even better than Gold because Gold is too close to the existing hi-yellow, whereas LightSalmon is quite far away from the existing hi-pink. > How about this instead: > > (defface hi-redgold > '((((min-colors 8)) (:background "red")) > (t (:background "gold"))) > "Face for hi-lock mode." > :group 'hi-lock-faces) > > I see no reason to use "red" on 16-color terminals, nor "orange" on > color TTYs with at least 88 colors. The translation of "gold" should > be good enough in those cases. Isn't it? I tried, and it used "red" even on 88-colors. But given that LightSalmon is a good choice, I copied the same definitions from other faces, substituted with new colors and they look good on all environments: (defface hi-salmon '((((min-colors 88) (background dark)) (:background "light salmon" :foreground "black")) (((background dark)) (:background "red" :foreground "black")) (((min-colors 88)) (:background "light salmon")) (t (:background "red"))) "Face for hi-lock mode." :group 'hi-lock-faces) (defface hi-aquamarine '((((min-colors 88) (background dark)) (:background "aquamarine" :foreground "black")) (((background dark)) (:background "blue" :foreground "black")) (((min-colors 88)) (:background "aquamarine")) (t (:background "blue"))) "Face for hi-lock mode." :group 'hi-lock-faces) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Dec 19 19:17:05 2018 Received: (at 33398) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Dec 2018 00:17:06 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55305 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gZm1R-0000Jp-Nk for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 19 Dec 2018 19:17:05 -0500 Received: from relay7-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.200]:53329) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gZm1P-0000Jg-BD for 33398@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 19 Dec 2018 19:17:03 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 193.82.248.193 Received: from epi.local (193-82-248-193.tpgi.com.au [193.82.248.193]) (Authenticated sender: van@scratch.space) by relay7-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8B13D20002 for <33398@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 20 Dec 2018 00:17:01 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) Subject: Re: bug#33398: 26.1, netbsd-8; Hi Lock Faces, Hi Green B, default setting suggestion From: Van L In-Reply-To: <87r2edkytr.fsf@mail.linkov.net> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2018 11:16:56 +1100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <9B715204-BE6D-4F02-B484-1EA9EDACE0EB@scratch.space> <87sgzv747k.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <740AF1DA-7EDB-4310-8C6E-F7944D714513@scratch.space> <87sgzuca5o.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87a7m0hi5t.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <837eh4gpjd.fsf@gnu.org> <87a7lyi29o.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <837eh1jeak.fsf@gnu.org> <87k1l0c3be.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83h8g3j0aa.fsf@gnu.org> <87y39fmnbn.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83mupvgj18.fsf@gnu.org> <87r2f6hzf1.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87ftvkssxh.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <838t1ce3tw.fsf@gnu.org> <871s73cybi.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83o9a7c9wk.fsf@gnu.org> <87ftuuwdwu.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83lg4lcznd.fsf@gnu.org> <87r2edkytr.fsf@mail.linkov.net> To: 33398@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33398 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) >> The translation of "gold" should >> be good enough in those cases. Isn't it? The American English entry in the Dictionary has // gold, in the figurative language of the people, // was =E2=80=9Cthe tears wept by the sun.=E2=80=9D=20= From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Dec 20 11:11:59 2018 Received: (at 33398) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Dec 2018 16:11:59 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56664 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ga0vX-0006Cz-9U for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2018 11:11:59 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:32966) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ga0vW-0006Ce-DI for 33398@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2018 11:11:58 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ga0vL-0005It-Dj for 33398@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2018 11:11:51 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:39293) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ga0vL-0005In-9m; Thu, 20 Dec 2018 11:11:47 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1537 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1ga0vJ-0006Ur-LC; Thu, 20 Dec 2018 11:11:47 -0500 Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2018 18:11:55 +0200 Message-Id: <834lb8ch4k.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Juri Linkov In-reply-to: <87r2edkytr.fsf@mail.linkov.net> (message from Juri Linkov on Wed, 19 Dec 2018 23:40:08 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#33398: 26.1, netbsd-8; Hi Lock Faces, Hi Green B, default setting suggestion References: <9B715204-BE6D-4F02-B484-1EA9EDACE0EB@scratch.space> <87sgzv747k.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <740AF1DA-7EDB-4310-8C6E-F7944D714513@scratch.space> <87sgzuca5o.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87a7m0hi5t.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <837eh4gpjd.fsf@gnu.org> <87a7lyi29o.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <837eh1jeak.fsf@gnu.org> <87k1l0c3be.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83h8g3j0aa.fsf@gnu.org> <87y39fmnbn.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83mupvgj18.fsf@gnu.org> <87r2f6hzf1.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87ftvkssxh.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <838t1ce3tw.fsf@gnu.org> <871s73cybi.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83o9a7c9wk.fsf@gnu.org> <87ftuuwdwu.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83lg4lcznd.fsf@gnu.org> <87r2edkytr.fsf@mail.linkov.net> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33398 Cc: van@scratch.space, 33398@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) > From: Juri Linkov > Cc: van@scratch.space, 33398@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2018 23:40:08 +0200 > > > (defface hi-redgold > > '((((min-colors 8)) (:background "red")) > > (t (:background "gold"))) > > "Face for hi-lock mode." > > :group 'hi-lock-faces) > > > > I see no reason to use "red" on 16-color terminals, nor "orange" on > > color TTYs with at least 88 colors. The translation of "gold" should > > be good enough in those cases. Isn't it? > > I tried, and it used "red" even on 88-colors. I don't have access to such a terminal, but on a 16-color TTY "gold" displays as bright yellow, which is definitely not red. So I'm surprised you see red on a 88-color TTY. > But given that LightSalmon is a good choice, I copied the same > definitions from other faces, substituted with new colors and they > look good on all environments: > > (defface hi-salmon > '((((min-colors 88) (background dark)) > (:background "light salmon" :foreground "black")) > (((background dark)) (:background "red" :foreground "black")) > (((min-colors 88)) (:background "light salmon")) > (t (:background "red"))) > "Face for hi-lock mode." > :group 'hi-lock-faces) > > (defface hi-aquamarine > '((((min-colors 88) (background dark)) > (:background "aquamarine" :foreground "black")) > (((background dark)) (:background "blue" :foreground "black")) > (((min-colors 88)) (:background "aquamarine")) > (t (:background "blue"))) > "Face for hi-lock mode." > :group 'hi-lock-faces) Thanks. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Dec 20 18:02:13 2018 Received: (at 33398-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Dec 2018 23:02:13 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56886 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ga7KX-0007LT-CW for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2018 18:02:13 -0500 Received: from ladybird.maple.relay.mailchannels.net ([23.83.214.98]:53244) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ga7KW-0007LK-8g for 33398-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2018 18:02:12 -0500 X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@jurta.org Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D01F25E33F6; Thu, 20 Dec 2018 23:02:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a6.g.dreamhost.com (unknown [100.96.29.126]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 683395E2B08; Thu, 20 Dec 2018 23:02:10 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@jurta.org Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a6.g.dreamhost.com (pop.dreamhost.com [64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.16.2); Thu, 20 Dec 2018 23:02:10 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@jurta.org X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost X-Oafish-Cellar: 28e8160d1208d180_1545346930570_4092389052 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1545346930570:879317979 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1545346930570 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a6.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a6.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D99580852; Thu, 20 Dec 2018 15:02:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=linkov.net; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :content-type; s=linkov.net; bh=4rhE1oRYVmqVBSIC9SiR3BBmx9M=; b= QogyAQKK7i9WlTO/r6n4a9r8LUacL8lRXR91HI7jg36wyOuLGDLo0HMiPJ1K7yAA 73SJLPF0/jyfeZBI3cZ6IL9SZv7EU0HzDhQI6bBE7yN3WPs0otWzeVQ4WVVJ9Jxd EjTSeb/3PoV8ibwTlm4aj0XAAupsoB1zs0qRZPq3E6Q= Received: from mail.jurta.org (m91-129-106-79.cust.tele2.ee [91.129.106.79]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jurta@jurta.org) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a6.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6FC498084F; Thu, 20 Dec 2018 15:02:06 -0800 (PST) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a6 From: Juri Linkov To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#33398: 26.1, netbsd-8; Hi Lock Faces, Hi Green B, default setting suggestion Organization: LINKOV.NET References: <9B715204-BE6D-4F02-B484-1EA9EDACE0EB@scratch.space> <740AF1DA-7EDB-4310-8C6E-F7944D714513@scratch.space> <87sgzuca5o.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87a7m0hi5t.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <837eh4gpjd.fsf@gnu.org> <87a7lyi29o.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <837eh1jeak.fsf@gnu.org> <87k1l0c3be.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83h8g3j0aa.fsf@gnu.org> <87y39fmnbn.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83mupvgj18.fsf@gnu.org> <87r2f6hzf1.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87ftvkssxh.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <838t1ce3tw.fsf@gnu.org> <871s73cybi.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83o9a7c9wk.fsf@gnu.org> <87ftuuwdwu.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83lg4lcznd.fsf@gnu.org> <87r2edkytr.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <834lb8ch4k.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2018 01:01:00 +0200 In-Reply-To: <834lb8ch4k.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 20 Dec 2018 18:11:55 +0200") Message-ID: <87zhszdcr7.fsf@mail.linkov.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-VR-OUT-STATUS: OK X-VR-OUT-SCORE: -100 X-VR-OUT-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedtkedrudejgedgtddvucetufdoteggodetrfdotffvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuggftfghnshhusghstghrihgsvgdpffftgfetoffjqffuvfenuceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmnecujfgurhephffvufhofhffjgfkfgggtgesthdtredttdertdenucfhrhhomheplfhurhhiucfnihhnkhhovhcuoehjuhhriheslhhinhhkohhvrdhnvghtqeenucfkphepledurdduvdelrddutdeirdejleenucfrrghrrghmpehmohguvgepshhmthhppdhhvghlohepmhgrihhlrdhjuhhrthgrrdhorhhgpdhinhgvthepledurdduvdelrddutdeirdejledprhgvthhurhhnqdhprghthheplfhurhhiucfnihhnkhhovhcuoehjuhhriheslhhinhhkohhvrdhnvghtqedpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehjuhhriheslhhinhhkohhvrdhnvghtpdhnrhgtphhtthhopegvlhhiiiesghhnuhdrohhrghenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedt X-Spam-Score: 1.3 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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Content preview: >> > (defface hi-redgold >> > '((((min-colors 8)) (:background "red")) >> > (t (:background "gold"))) >> > "Face for hi-lock mode." >> > :group 'hi-lock-faces) >> > >> > I see no reason to use "red" o [...] Content analysis details: (1.3 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [23.83.214.98 listed in list.dnswl.org] 1.3 RCVD_IN_RP_RNBL RBL: Relay in RNBL, https://senderscore.org/blacklistlookup/ [23.83.214.98 listed in bl.score.senderscore.com] X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33398-done Cc: van@scratch.space, 33398-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) >> > (defface hi-redgold >> > '((((min-colors 8)) (:background "red")) >> > (t (:background "gold"))) >> > "Face for hi-lock mode." >> > :group 'hi-lock-faces) >> > >> > I see no reason to use "red" on 16-color terminals, nor "orange" on >> > color TTYs with at least 88 colors. The translation of "gold" should >> > be good enough in those cases. Isn't it? >> >> I tried, and it used "red" even on 88-colors. > > I don't have access to such a terminal, but on a 16-color TTY "gold" > displays as bright yellow, which is definitely not red. So I'm > surprised you see red on a 88-color TTY. Actually, I meant that I see red on a 88-color graphical display. >> But given that LightSalmon is a good choice, I copied the same >> definitions from other faces, substituted with new colors and they >> look good on all environments: >> >> (defface hi-salmon >> '((((min-colors 88) (background dark)) >> (:background "light salmon" :foreground "black")) >> (((background dark)) (:background "red" :foreground "black")) >> (((min-colors 88)) (:background "light salmon")) >> (t (:background "red"))) >> "Face for hi-lock mode." >> :group 'hi-lock-faces) >> >> (defface hi-aquamarine >> '((((min-colors 88) (background dark)) >> (:background "aquamarine" :foreground "black")) >> (((background dark)) (:background "blue" :foreground "black")) >> (((min-colors 88)) (:background "aquamarine")) >> (t (:background "blue"))) >> "Face for hi-lock mode." >> :group 'hi-lock-faces) > > Thanks. Installed to master and closed. It seems there is no need to update NEWS because the users will see themselves two new colors added. From unknown Sat Jun 21 10:39:57 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2019 12:24:04 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator