GNU bug report logs - #33211
coreutils.mo is in both LC_TIME and LC_MESSAGES folders

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From: scootergrisen <scootergrisen <at> gmail.com>
To: bug-coreutils <at> gnu.org
Subject: coreutils.mo is in both LC_TIME and LC_MESSAGES folders
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2018 22:33:42 +0100

I wonder if its a mistake that in Fedora i can see coreutils.mo in both:
/usr/share/locale/*/LC_TIME
/usr/share/locale/*/LC_MESSAGES

They seem to be identical.

coreutils.mo is the only file i see in the /usr/share/locale/*/LC_TIME 
folder.

Should the /usr/share/locale/*/LC_TIME/coreutils.mo files be removed so 
there is only the /usr/share/locale/*/LC_MESSAGES/coreutils.mo files?

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From: Assaf Gordon <assafgordon <at> gmail.com>
To: scootergrisen <scootergrisen <at> gmail.com>, 33211 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#33211: coreutils.mo is in both LC_TIME and LC_MESSAGES folders
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2019 01:15:47 -0700

tags 33211 notabug
close 33211
stop

Hell0,

On 2018-10-30 3:33 p.m., scootergrisen wrote:
> I wonder if its a mistake that in Fedora i can see coreutils.mo in both:
> /usr/share/locale/*/LC_TIME
> /usr/share/locale/*/LC_MESSAGES
> 
> They seem to be identical.

This is not a mistake (nor a bug).

Not only they are identical, one is a symlink to the other:

  $ cd /usr/local/share/locale/ca
  $ ls -log LC_*/coreutils.mo
  -rw-r--r-- 1 379478 Dec 27 22:47 LC_MESSAGES/coreutils.mo
  lrwxrwxrwx 1     27 Dec 27 22:47 LC_TIME/coreutils.mo -> 
../LC_MESSAGES/coreutils.mo


> coreutils.mo is the only file i see in the /usr/share/locale/*/LC_TIME 
> folder.

Most programs that use gettext (https://www.gnu.org/software/gettext/)
are concerned with user visible messages, hence most of the translation
only use LC_MESSAGES directory, and there's no need for other files.

Few coreutils programs (e.g. date, sort) do care about translation of
time-related strings (e.g. days / month names).
That's why coreutils also uses LC_TIME.

One can ask for the date/time to use one local,
and messages to use another:

  $ export LC_TIME=ru_RU.UTF-8
  $ export LANGUAGE=ja_JP.UTF-8

  $ date
  Пт янв 18 01:06:10 MST 2019

  $ date -d ABCD
  date: `ABCD' は無効な日付です


> Should the /usr/share/locale/*/LC_TIME/coreutils.mo files be removed so 
> there is only the /usr/share/locale/*/LC_MESSAGES/coreutils.mo files?

No, Both should exist, otherwise setting LC_TIME won't work.

Technically, the translated strings for both messages and time are
stored in the same file - that's why when coreutils is installed,
one is a symlink to the other.


Even more technically, when building from source,
the file "bootstrap.conf" contains the following:

  # Other locale categories that need message catalogs. 

  EXTRA_LOCALE_CATEGORIES=LC_TIME

The directory "./po" is populated with available translation
(e.g. "ru.po" and "ja.po").

During the build, the ".po" files are compiled into binary ".gmo" files.
During installation, the files are copied/symlinked:
  $ make install
  [...]
  make[2]: Entering directory '/home/gordon/projects/coreutils/po'
  installing af.gmo as /usr/local/share/locale/af/LC_MESSAGES/coreutils.mo
  installing af.gmo link as /usr/local/share/locale/af/LC_TIME/coreutils.mo
  installing be.gmo as /usr/local/share/locale/be/LC_MESSAGES/coreutils.mo
  installing be.gmo link as /usr/local/share/locale/be/LC_TIME/coreutils.mo
  [...]


Hope this addresses the issue.
I'm closing this as "not a bug", but discussion can continue by replying
to this thread.

regards,
 - assaf

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