From unknown Sun Aug 10 16:48:28 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#33157 <33157@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#33157 <33157@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: ls-quotes: QUOTING_STYLE change of default Reply-To: bug#33157 <33157@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2025 23:48:28 +0000 retitle 33157 ls-quotes: QUOTING_STYLE change of default reassign 33157 coreutils submitter 33157 Arvid Requate severity 33157 normal thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Oct 25 18:31:37 2018 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Oct 2018 22:31:37 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42998 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gFoAD-00072j-7F for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 25 Oct 2018 18:31:37 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:53812) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gFnRz-0002Xf-NS for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 25 Oct 2018 17:45:56 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gFnRp-00083j-IJ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 25 Oct 2018 17:45:50 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:50945) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gFnRm-00082y-Re for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 25 Oct 2018 17:45:45 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:35136) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gFnRl-0006qo-Ro for bug-coreutils@gnu.org; Thu, 25 Oct 2018 17:45:42 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gFnRd-0007zV-EW for bug-coreutils@gnu.org; Thu, 25 Oct 2018 17:45:41 -0400 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]:42117) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gFnRX-0007tB-G9 for bug-coreutils@gnu.org; Thu, 25 Oct 2018 17:45:30 -0400 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4A6082400E5 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2018 23:45:20 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.de; s=2017; t=1540503920; bh=kmOg3Osl4DlZMzDyS3/03uMd5oS5AUMVlkn6FNoHL0w=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:From; b=fI5H07lfPFFph6FHq1gKqjy9kWDwipzbzeGk95UJwGyIUc+tCPdBbKxFZhLE7+W5v oBEnJW9B5q9ms6TwQVQpiC1j0U6zvH0Q4ysM98IDPbaf/30+UjI65csXz/nnQ4mkhC aqvaVE9U65H8/zAky7mtnZEqBdV6bnk4WDRCqkyktM64hamh1PrXxrMK3FePBuHtj6 ekna40eQJt4PB8OAJB6OAzbqH3ckK8OJ/pAYb7knuDAfnnM+jarPVsXqRhqll8NlgD zoyYkDbSpmjBl38a521MqXkIFO1OS6hk8lZVTHaroOqfhuL31zfA9imOTQKkIaomtv gGf5WKnNYu+jQ== Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 42h0zM5lnlz9rxH for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2018 23:45:19 +0200 (CEST) From: Arvid Requate To: bug-coreutils@gnu.org Subject: QUOTING_STYLE change of default Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2018 23:45:19 +0200 Message-ID: <8041854.12C6AFHMRW@foot410> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 25 Oct 2018 18:31:35 -0400 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) Hi, after updating to Debian buster I had the impression that my eyes are faili= ng=20 on me. This posting pretty much summarizes my opinion: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/coreutils/2016-02/msg00001.html especially the first paragraph:=20 On 02/01/16 07:17 Harald Dunkel wrote: > On 02/01/16 17:07, P=E1draig Brady wrote: >=20 > > The reasons we changed the default was: > >=20 > > - It only happens when outputting to terminals >=20 > This means if you use "ls -1 | somescript" the script will > not see the quoting style. Don't you think that this is > inconsistent, not to mention that a script would benefit > much more from this quoting style than a human? I feel that this upstream change is a misuse of power by three coreutils=20 developers and I vote for reverting to the old default of "literal". 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Content preview: retitle 33157 ls-quotes: QUOTING_STYLE change of default [...] Content analysis details: (2.0 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [209.85.210.171 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (assafgordon[at]gmail.com) -0.0 RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2 RBL: Average reputation (+2) [209.85.210.171 listed in wl.mailspike.net] 1.8 MISSING_SUBJECT Missing Subject: header 0.2 NO_SUBJECT Extra score for no subject X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) retitle 33157 ls-quotes: QUOTING_STYLE change of default From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Dec 13 15:33:20 2018 Received: (at 33157-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Dec 2018 20:33:20 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46865 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gXXfc-0000u0-FM for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 15:33:20 -0500 Received: from mail-pf1-f176.google.com ([209.85.210.176]:38245) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gXXfa-0000tc-LA for 33157-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 15:33:19 -0500 Received: by mail-pf1-f176.google.com with SMTP id q1so1662790pfi.5 for <33157-done@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 12:33:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=+QAiwmxrrn/pqDRy44XgLCH93/MQVVxrMjvUWv9+KLI=; b=Hy2BpOU73dEy9jT4FmQTRRYGH9wVpb+SbrWZLk4Q+0izrfUbKAgx+uLtPB2QrJudRy PQzMS7byQMNZdA+P4rlH/nGdPcb7eMkRQl9i7FAD1V+Vd0oy/aOpOV9SGliWcQ0VL8O/ lOPmjX+6lhQQOK85TyyApHVlflIj9ihwpl7zGLkcnwit/an4JieeG6r/ajK786foFz7E ULrK24bEyIfhjkUTIAr4x+eIhg9naXj1xr+7joY0xD66rmJSZ8BACCThqRK31ANjCy7W 5QbGgzHu11pKdwhSlRtO6ogiP3fX/vp6xvjLQ0r+mRmqSoezQifST5z5K6OYHkXv3uAh u6Cw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language :content-transfer-encoding; bh=+QAiwmxrrn/pqDRy44XgLCH93/MQVVxrMjvUWv9+KLI=; b=SvzAhfaGnGkzTY5ZZvFOmYnQ0h+8EzSEB2Z+3HeVdJ95JN599FKoYArg3nN9JkvGht CHPuTnWIh5OQSawlT9xp/b69mIKrFc+XcmgKLAwe1XpfGmM1Ln24vCnAOleh+Boz9kqc 6wMw6Y0Okh5rJXU3mSz7NBFP6zlASVYUp+NVdgEumq3WRh/VGsCD1o84B+hfJhKgwfj9 GZlIVu1mkNM5hGKSOTQ+O8kFUGk95BCtN1iJmA9TmbNaBIKn13LgAobBrNiHhip8wEk/ FhVkEiMHkVF5fr/AqnywYBUjTCxT4IiMVQOMCnqHgYvOzgIrbWkGeoFqs/+V5WUSkY+0 CklA== X-Gm-Message-State: AA+aEWa+ktspleFqKac1yryEqHUSns7NwQzi+ggTC/H4ZlGwUg9rxB8I Wui3v2E1L6DMVJiQVv3mejF7BVHKxG4= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AFSGD/UKlTkLdVGR0OivytI+ITMB/3V4eRWFZuKBZaQUyns2n2oE5Qct8Jk9NsaaYiTq5fEAOQTPOw== X-Received: by 2002:a63:20e:: with SMTP id 14mr235139pgc.161.1544733192222; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 12:33:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from tomato.housegordon.com (moose.housegordon.com. [184.68.105.38]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id y89sm3894864pfa.136.2018.12.13.12.33.10 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 13 Dec 2018 12:33:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: bug#33157: QUOTING_STYLE change of default To: Arvid Requate , 33157-done@debbugs.gnu.org References: <8041854.12C6AFHMRW@foot410> From: Assaf Gordon Message-ID: <863b64cf-6f27-d144-4923-b0a1e0e9e4cd@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 13:33:09 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8041854.12C6AFHMRW@foot410> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33157-done X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Hello, On 2018-10-25 3:45 p.m., Arvid Requate wrote: > after updating to Debian buster I had the impression that my eyes are failing > on me. This posting pretty much summarizes my opinion: > > http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/coreutils/2016-02/msg00001.html > > especially the first paragraph: > We created a summary of common issues and FAQs regarding the quoting change in ls(1): https://www.gnu.org/software/coreutils/quotes.html If there is an issue that is not addressed there, please send an email to coreutils@gnu.org . regards, - assaf From unknown Sun Aug 10 16:48:28 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2019 12:24:07 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator