From unknown Sat Aug 16 16:22:06 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#33109: Expose hidden "Save for Future Sessions" Customizations button Resent-From: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2018 22:14:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 33109 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 33109@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.154007360129325 (code B ref -1); Sat, 20 Oct 2018 22:14:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Oct 2018 22:13:21 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33554 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gDzUn-0007cu-FK for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 18:13:21 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:36882) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gDzUl-0007cS-CV for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 18:13:19 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gDzUf-00021x-56 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 18:13:13 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_05,FROM_EXCESS_BASE64 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:33999) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gDzUe-00021p-Sk for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 18:13:12 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:46474) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gDzUe-0007qB-6D for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 18:13:12 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gDzUb-0001zP-2u for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 18:13:12 -0400 Received: from pop.dreamhost.com ([64.90.62.162]:52354 helo=pdx1-sub0-mail-a20.g.dreamhost.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gDzUa-0001y5-Qi for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 18:13:09 -0400 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a20.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a20.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D77D8016A for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 15:13:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to :subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; s= jidanni.org; bh=s0mt7IOBV0w0O5QysSHJ1JY2Z2k=; b=jEbx59za4fOhRcwZ xH7ofn5vxNuY85LzhLq9iOB4chc1LzK2xpdq7I/5vdJ2AzEspqNt+n0NlQyuoOdB yweHAhE7qNG5edRZpO8/MVBI0AG+S3zt5auAQlWVw+Qv483T6syvwh4xUDQ/qREL MC6Ocw8pQ0R51bQpGiH3QCcxb9Y= Received: from jidanni.org (114-41-11-94.dynamic-ip.hinet.net [114.41.11.94]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jidanni@jidanni.org) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a20.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2831C8017C for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 15:13:06 -0700 (PDT) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a20 From: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2018 04:59:23 +0800 Message-ID: <875zxw9vx0.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-VR-OUT-STATUS: OK X-VR-OUT-SCORE: 0 X-VR-OUT-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedtkedrfeekgddujeefucetufdoteggodetrfdotffvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuggftfghnshhusghstghrihgsvgdpffftgfetoffjqffuvfenuceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucenucfjughrpefhvffufffkgggtsehttdertddttdejnecuhfhrohhmpejnnjjnucffrghnucflrggtohgsshhonhcuoehjihgurghnnhhisehjihgurghnnhhirdhorhhgqeenucfkphepuddugedrgedurdduuddrleegnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhhouggvpehsmhhtphdphhgvlhhopehjihgurghnnhhirdhorhhgpdhinhgvthepuddugedrgedurdduuddrleegpdhrvghtuhhrnhdqphgrthhhpeeprehuthhfqdekreeureehiehmpfehnfhiheehsgevkeerpecuffgrnhculfgrtghosghsohhnuceojhhiuggrnhhnihesjhhiuggrnhhnihdrohhrgheqpdhmrghilhhfrhhomhepjhhiuggrnhhnihesjhhiuggrnhhnihdrohhrghdpnhhrtghpthhtohepsghughdqghhnuhdqvghmrggtshesghhnuhdrohhrghenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedt X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.9 (----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.9 (-----) In the Customize Face buffer most users will think the "Apply and Save" button will save their changes to a file, only to unknowingly lose them upon exit. Only if they read (info "(emacs) Saving Customizations") will they learn of the hidden "Save for Future Sessions" button. I propose the latter button be placed on the interface right beside the former button, visible from the start. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Oct 20 20:04:19 2018 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Oct 2018 00:04:20 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33629 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gE1EB-0005sD-Nw for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 20:04:19 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:57184) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gE1EA-0005s0-B1 for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 20:04:18 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gE1E4-00039g-P9 for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 20:04:13 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:48832) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gE1E4-00039Y-K8 for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 20:04:12 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1gE1E4-0005T5-Ga for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 20:04:12 -0400 Subject: control message for bug 33109 To: X-Mailer: mail (GNU Mailutils 2.99.98) Message-Id: From: Glenn Morris Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2018 20:04:12 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) merge 33108 33109 From unknown Sat Aug 16 16:22:06 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#33109: Expose hidden "Save for Future Sessions" Customizations button Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2018 02:38:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 33109 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson Cc: 33109@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 33109-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B33109.154008943511501 (code B ref 33109); Sun, 21 Oct 2018 02:38:02 +0000 Received: (at 33109) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Oct 2018 02:37:15 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33671 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gE3cA-0002zQ-Q6 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 22:37:14 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:48936) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gE3c9-0002zD-Jd for 33109@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 22:37:13 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gE3c1-0006XA-Ao for 33109@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 22:37:08 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:50694) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gE3c1-0006X0-7e; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 22:37:05 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1943 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1gE3bz-0003kQ-Tx; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 22:37:05 -0400 Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2018 05:36:47 +0300 Message-Id: <83va5wt48w.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <875zxw9vx0.fsf@jidanni.org> References: <875zxw9vx0.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) > From: 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson > > Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2018 04:59:23 +0800 > > In the Customize Face buffer most users will think the "Apply and Save" > button will save their changes to a file, only to unknowingly lose them > upon exit. In what version of Emacs is that, and where do you see "Apply and Save"? I only see "Apply". From unknown Sat Aug 16 16:22:06 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#33109: Expose hidden "Save for Future Sessions" Customizations button In-Reply-To: <875zxw9vx0.fsf@jidanni.org> Resent-From: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2018 02:44:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 33109 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 33109@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 33109-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B33109.154008981512136 (code B ref 33109); Sun, 21 Oct 2018 02:44:01 +0000 Received: (at 33109) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Oct 2018 02:43:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33680 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gE3iI-00039g-RY for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 22:43:34 -0400 Received: from pop.dreamhost.com ([64.90.62.162]:46354 helo=pdx1-sub0-mail-a2.g.dreamhost.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gE3iG-00039X-Od for 33109@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 22:43:33 -0400 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a2.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a2.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAEEE7FB63; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 19:43:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; s=jidanni.org; bh=+gbos6gi7OdgTXFe+0MtgSoyepE=; b=VkwM1OFy4VMar 59cVbx6w4CIaXgDl2ebth9FRC34eSnAjmcR0pAfwpPl+LQunjQMdtt8YPaTO9qw0 RXnfOcRe6FBlNQkdJ5vWnG6sVUZ8bbkdn0coeBSIOuaw5NtQWEYUpA/TKnJQsVXX Z7duyJ6QZFpNtmdxoJGH7Py6cufsyI= Received: from jidanni.org (114-41-11-94.dynamic-ip.hinet.net [114.41.11.94]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jidanni@jidanni.org) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a2.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 671E27FB82; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 19:43:31 -0700 (PDT) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a2 From: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson References: <875zxw9vx0.fsf@jidanni.org> <83va5wt48w.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2018 10:43:28 +0800 Message-ID: <87h8hguii7.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-VR-OUT-STATUS: OK X-VR-OUT-SCORE: -100 X-VR-OUT-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedtkedrfeelgddtjecutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucggtfgfnhhsuhgsshgtrhhisggvpdfftffgtefojffquffvnecuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmdenucfjughrpefhvffufhffkfggtgesthdtredttddtjeenucfhrhhomhepnjjnnjcuffgrnhculfgrtghosghsohhnuceojhhiuggrnhhnihesjhhiuggrnhhnihdrohhrgheqnecukfhppeduudegrdeguddruddurdelgeenucfrrghrrghmpehmohguvgepshhmthhppdhhvghlohepjhhiuggrnhhnihdrohhrghdpihhnvghtpeduudegrdeguddruddurdelgedprhgvthhurhhnqdhprghthheppeeruhhtfhdqkeerueerheeimhfphefnihehhegsveekreepucffrghnucflrggtohgsshhonhcuoehjihgurghnnhhisehjihgurghnnhhirdhorhhgqedpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehjihgurghnnhhisehjihgurghnnhhirdhorhhgpdhnrhgtphhtthhopeeffedutdelseguvggssghughhsrdhgnhhurdhorhhgnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptd X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.9 (/) >>>>> "EZ" == Eli Zaretskii writes: EZ> In what version of Emacs is that, and where do you see "Apply and EZ> Save"? I only see "Apply". emacs-version "25.2.2" C-u C-x = Click on "customize what to show". From unknown Sat Aug 16 16:22:06 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#33109: Expose hidden "Save for Future Sessions" Customizations button In-Reply-To: <875zxw9vx0.fsf@jidanni.org> Resent-From: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2018 02:45:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 33109 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 33109@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 33109-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B33109.154008990012270 (code B ref 33109); Sun, 21 Oct 2018 02:45:02 +0000 Received: (at 33109) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Oct 2018 02:45:00 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33684 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gE3jg-0003Bq-5z for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 22:45:00 -0400 Received: from pop.dreamhost.com ([64.90.62.162]:46712 helo=pdx1-sub0-mail-a2.g.dreamhost.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gE3jd-0003Bj-Pp for 33109@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 22:44:58 -0400 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a2.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a2.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 237A97FB85; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 19:44:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; s=jidanni.org; bh=ayuAeSAEzfJr6rc3+Wj9tnJJ6uU=; b=S7YCTBuigvCv3 MYYebzfh5NtVRpGNx+WpbX4DwxtCOejXrjcb9cpyjk0TbDLrc+rylNB97NvOZeOh e5bBhBrgGi8vdDJ0PD5D+2stieNXB4IwtGScYQ28IQ6W4RNhZIzwzlTsbXJBlis9 CRBlPUtLoZffee+ew+jvZ6Exb+G1J4= Received: from jidanni.org (114-41-11-94.dynamic-ip.hinet.net [114.41.11.94]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jidanni@jidanni.org) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a2.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 645297FB79; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 19:44:56 -0700 (PDT) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a2 From: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson References: <875zxw9vx0.fsf@jidanni.org> <83va5wt48w.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2018 10:44:53 +0800 Message-ID: <87ftx0uifu.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-VR-OUT-STATUS: OK X-VR-OUT-SCORE: -100 X-VR-OUT-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedtkedrfeelgddtjecutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucggtfgfnhhsuhgsshgtrhhisggvpdfftffgtefojffquffvnecuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmdenucfjughrpefhvffufhffkfggtgesthdtredttddtjeenucfhrhhomhepnjjnnjcuffgrnhculfgrtghosghsohhnuceojhhiuggrnhhnihesjhhiuggrnhhnihdrohhrgheqnecukfhppeduudegrdeguddruddurdelgeenucfrrghrrghmpehmohguvgepshhmthhppdhhvghlohepjhhiuggrnhhnihdrohhrghdpihhnvghtpeduudegrdeguddruddurdelgedprhgvthhurhhnqdhprghthheppeeruhhtfhdqkeerueerheeimhfphefnihehhegsveekreepucffrghnucflrggtohgsshhonhcuoehjihgurghnnhhisehjihgurghnnhhirdhorhhgqedpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehjihgurghnnhhisehjihgurghnnhhirdhorhhgpdhnrhgtphhtthhopeeffedutdelseguvggssghughhsrdhgnhhurdhorhhgnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgepud X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.9 (/) >>>>> "EZ" == Eli Zaretskii writes: EZ> In what version of Emacs is that, and where do you see "Apply and EZ> Save"? I only see "Apply". Don't start emacs with -Q ! From unknown Sat Aug 16 16:22:06 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#33109: Expose hidden "Save for Future Sessions" Customizations button Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2018 12:08:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 33109 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson Cc: 33109@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 33109-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B33109.15401236598513 (code B ref 33109); Sun, 21 Oct 2018 12:08:01 +0000 Received: (at 33109) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Oct 2018 12:07:39 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33804 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gECWB-0002DF-3Q for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 21 Oct 2018 08:07:39 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:50232) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gECW9-0002D2-Dv for 33109@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 21 Oct 2018 08:07:37 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gECVz-00060H-B4 for 33109@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 21 Oct 2018 08:07:31 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:56872) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gECVt-0005yX-9m; Sun, 21 Oct 2018 08:07:23 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1139 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1gECVp-0001jw-12; Sun, 21 Oct 2018 08:07:20 -0400 Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2018 15:07:01 +0300 Message-Id: <83sh0ztsey.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <87ftx0uifu.fsf@jidanni.org> (message from =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson on Sun, 21 Oct 2018 10:44:53 +0800) References: <875zxw9vx0.fsf@jidanni.org> <83va5wt48w.fsf@gnu.org> <87ftx0uifu.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) > From: 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson > Cc: 33109@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2018 10:44:53 +0800 > > >>>>> "EZ" == Eli Zaretskii writes: > EZ> In what version of Emacs is that, and where do you see "Apply and > EZ> Save"? I only see "Apply". > > Don't start emacs with -Q ! OK, but then "Apply and Save" does save the customizations in a file--in my init file. It even says so in the echo area. So I think I'm going to say that I cannot reproduce your problem, neither in Emacs 25.2 nor in Emacs 26.1. From unknown Sat Aug 16 16:22:06 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#33109: Expose hidden "Save for Future Sessions" Customizations button In-Reply-To: <875zxw9vx0.fsf@jidanni.org> Resent-From: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2018 23:34:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 33109 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 33109@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 33109-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B33109.15404240074923 (code B ref 33109); Wed, 24 Oct 2018 23:34:02 +0000 Received: (at 33109) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Oct 2018 23:33:27 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41006 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gFSeV-0001HL-C2 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 24 Oct 2018 19:33:27 -0400 Received: from bonobo.maple.relay.mailchannels.net ([23.83.214.22]:40013) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gFSeT-0001HC-4z for 33109@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 24 Oct 2018 19:33:25 -0400 X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4618F282D48; Wed, 24 Oct 2018 23:33:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a6.g.dreamhost.com (unknown [100.96.19.78]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 0E467282D3F; Wed, 24 Oct 2018 23:33:23 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a6.g.dreamhost.com (pop.dreamhost.com [64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.16.2); Wed, 24 Oct 2018 23:33:23 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost X-Shrill-Whispering: 5c5923f217d231fb_1540424003130_2033796616 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1540424003130:1394095189 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1540424003130 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a6.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a6.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34B1580611; Wed, 24 Oct 2018 16:33:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; s=jidanni.org; bh=4gfR8gFP6V6Qm8GMBY xXH/8LpH8=; b=f2FkOyv9cfhCg9uhLLbGOhMl6V3QFp6m/aBTU2vrcg4n8Qkw9R cmYi8d69JhjQcy4UmwfUyWu1TY8lvWLrbCCRaq9NewoD2VMl5sgpUQRbn9y6ggg4 xERB74vrnvj99Vf2YTA/rUgiw5hk4vpb/RgZSHA9KJPNJnWPGMKuOvT3M= Received: from jidanni.org (114-41-15-29.dynamic-ip.hinet.net [114.41.15.29]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jidanni@jidanni.org) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a6.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 33B9E80610; Wed, 24 Oct 2018 16:33:20 -0700 (PDT) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a6 From: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson References: <875zxw9vx0.fsf@jidanni.org> <83va5wt48w.fsf@gnu.org> <87ftx0uifu.fsf@jidanni.org> <83sh0ztsey.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2018 06:53:06 +0800 Message-ID: <87lg6ndkj1.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-VR-OUT-STATUS: OK X-VR-OUT-SCORE: -100 X-VR-OUT-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedtkedrgeekgddvfecutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucggtfgfnhhsuhgsshgtrhhisggvpdfftffgtefojffquffvnecuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmdenucfjughrpefhvffufhffkfggtgfgsehtkeertddttdejnecuhfhrohhmpejnnjjnucffrghnucflrggtohgsshhonhcuoehjihgurghnnhhisehjihgurghnnhhirdhorhhgqeenucfkphepuddugedrgedurdduhedrvdelnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhhouggvpehsmhhtphdphhgvlhhopehjihgurghnnhhirdhorhhgpdhinhgvthepuddugedrgedurdduhedrvdelpdhrvghtuhhrnhdqphgrthhhpeeprehuthhfqdekreeureehiehmpfehnfhiheehsgevkeerpecuffgrnhculfgrtghosghsohhnuceojhhiuggrnhhnihesjhhiuggrnhhnihdrohhrgheqpdhmrghilhhfrhhomhepjhhiuggrnhhnihesjhhiuggrnhhnihdrohhrghdpnhhrtghpthhtohepfeefuddtleesuggvsggsuhhgshdrghhnuhdrohhrghenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedt Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.9 (/) >>>>> "EZ" =3D=3D Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: =E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC Dan Jacobson >> Cc: 33109@debbugs.gnu.org >> Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2018 10:44:53 +0800 >>=20 >> >>>>> "EZ" =3D=3D Eli Zaretskii writes: EZ> In what version of Emacs is that, and where do you see "Apply and EZ> Save"? I only see "Apply". >>=20 >> Don't start emacs with -Q ! EZ> OK, but then "Apply and Save" does save the customizations in a EZ> file--in my init file. It even says so in the echo area. So I think EZ> I'm going to say that I cannot reproduce your problem, neither in EZ> Emacs 25.2 nor in Emacs 26.1. It saves them to your .emacs ? Maybe it didn't detect you had a .emacs-custom.el . Anyway, then why is the difference between the "Apply and Save" and "Save for Future Sessions" button? OK I suppose the latter would just save and not apply. (However I have not looked at the code.) From unknown Sat Aug 16 16:22:06 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#33109: Expose hidden "Save for Future Sessions" Customizations button Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2018 14:53:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 33109 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo To: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson Cc: 33109@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 33109-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B33109.154047916718783 (code B ref 33109); Thu, 25 Oct 2018 14:53:02 +0000 Received: (at 33109) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Oct 2018 14:52:47 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42515 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gFh0B-0004ss-Cr for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 25 Oct 2018 10:52:47 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:48848) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gFh0A-0004sg-HB for 33109@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 25 Oct 2018 10:52:46 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gFh01-00030N-F4 for 33109@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 25 Oct 2018 10:52:40 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:44255) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gFgzt-0002sG-04; Thu, 25 Oct 2018 10:52:31 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2345 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1gFgzs-0006hS-E8; Thu, 25 Oct 2018 10:52:28 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2018 17:52:26 +0300 Message-Id: <83pnvyqdsl.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <87lg6ndkj1.fsf@jidanni.org> (message from =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson on Thu, 25 Oct 2018 06:53:06 +0800) References: <875zxw9vx0.fsf@jidanni.org> <83va5wt48w.fsf@gnu.org> <87ftx0uifu.fsf@jidanni.org> <83sh0ztsey.fsf@gnu.org> <87lg6ndkj1.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) > From: 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson > Cc: 33109@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2018 06:53:06 +0800 > > EZ> OK, but then "Apply and Save" does save the customizations in a > EZ> file--in my init file. It even says so in the echo area. So I think > EZ> I'm going to say that I cannot reproduce your problem, neither in > EZ> Emacs 25.2 nor in Emacs 26.1. > > It saves them to your .emacs ? Maybe it didn't detect you had a > .emacs-custom.el . Why is this detail important? Your original report was that it doesn't save at all ("will be lost upon exit"). Do we now agree that the customization _is_ saved when you press that button? And that there's no bug here? > Anyway, then why is the difference between the > "Apply and Save" and "Save for Future Sessions" button? What "Save for Future Sessions" button? I only see "Save for Future Sessions" in the "State" menu, I don't see a button with that label. From unknown Sat Aug 16 16:22:06 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.505 (Entity 5.505) X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (GNU bug Tracking System) To: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson Subject: bug#33109: closed (Re: bug#33109: Expose hidden "Save for Future Sessions" Customizations button) Message-ID: References: <87sh0ukq4i.fsf@jidanni.org> <875zxw9vx0.fsf@jidanni.org> X-Gnu-PR-Message: they-closed 33109 X-Gnu-PR-Package: emacs X-Gnu-PR-Keywords: moreinfo Reply-To: 33109@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2018 15:23:02 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1540480982-29646-1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1540480982-29646-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Your bug report #33109: Expose hidden "Save for Future Sessions" Customizations button which was filed against the emacs package, has been closed. The explanation is attached below, along with your original report. If you require more details, please reply to 33109@debbugs.gnu.org. --=20 33109: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D33109 GNU Bug Tracking System Contact help-debbugs@gnu.org with problems ------------=_1540480982-29646-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at 33109-close) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Oct 2018 15:22:52 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42573 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gFhTI-0007hW-8S for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 25 Oct 2018 11:22:52 -0400 Received: from glow.birch.relay.mailchannels.net ([23.83.209.71]:64735) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gFhTG-0007hN-1t for 33109-close@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 25 Oct 2018 11:22:50 -0400 X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D95D5C3DFB; Thu, 25 Oct 2018 15:22:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a16.g.dreamhost.com (unknown [100.96.19.74]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 692535C43F1; Thu, 25 Oct 2018 15:22:41 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a16.g.dreamhost.com (pop.dreamhost.com [64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.16.2); Thu, 25 Oct 2018 15:22:48 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost X-Exultant-Bitter: 2f9f3d2e207a28e9_1540480961518_1014760238 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1540480961518:3880196528 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1540480961518 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a16.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a16.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF60B7FEB7; Thu, 25 Oct 2018 08:22:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; s=jidanni.org; bh=GRnsxvgNd4TjwdEgbUypTlspIpY=; b=AwjnPw0nE+I1k xnly4Aa8Cv1XrRK4wTyjrBVYZ+S+IwnEOzYAV4ok6RKtpU80kaLy7H+cms40GFRq IHkeobNobIfr2KeMJ32w5STigPGBDQBGHWPkyEeN+/5NTxSgKEKwFthhAdbJfnU1 AA0bQ5gprgdmiU75EQofGc+j0neK8E= Received: from jidanni.org (114-41-39-17.dynamic-ip.hinet.net [114.41.39.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jidanni@jidanni.org) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a16.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0FDD27FEB3; Thu, 25 Oct 2018 08:22:39 -0700 (PDT) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a16 From: =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#33109: Expose hidden "Save for Future Sessions" Customizations button References: <875zxw9vx0.fsf@jidanni.org> <83va5wt48w.fsf@gnu.org> <87ftx0uifu.fsf@jidanni.org> <83sh0ztsey.fsf@gnu.org> <87lg6ndkj1.fsf@jidanni.org> <83pnvyqdsl.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2018 23:22:37 +0800 Message-ID: <87sh0ukq4i.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-VR-OUT-STATUS: OK X-VR-OUT-SCORE: -100 X-VR-OUT-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedtkedrgeelgdeklecutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucggtfgfnhhsuhgsshgtrhhisggvpdfftffgtefojffquffvnecuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmdenucfjughrpefhvffufhffkfggtgesthdtredttddtjeenucfhrhhomhepnjjnnjcuffgrnhculfgrtghosghsohhnuceojhhiuggrnhhnihesjhhiuggrnhhnihdrohhrgheqnecukfhppeduudegrdeguddrfeelrddujeenucfrrghrrghmpehmohguvgepshhmthhppdhhvghlohepjhhiuggrnhhnihdrohhrghdpihhnvghtpeduudegrdeguddrfeelrddujedprhgvthhurhhnqdhprghthheppeeruhhtfhdqkeerueerheeimhfphefnihehhegsveekreepucffrghnucflrggtohgsshhonhcuoehjihgurghnnhhisehjihgurghnnhhirdhorhhgqedpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehjihgurghnnhhisehjihgurghnnhhirdhorhhgpdhnrhgtphhtthhopeeffedutdelqdgtlhhoshgvseguvggssghughhsrdhgnhhurdhorhhgnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptd X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33109-close Cc: 33109-close@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.9 (/) >>>>> "EZ" == Eli Zaretskii writes: EZ> Why is this detail important? Your original report was that it EZ> doesn't save at all ("will be lost upon exit"). Do we now agree that EZ> the customization _is_ saved when you press that button? And that EZ> there's no bug here? Nothing got saved for me >> Anyway, then why is the difference between the >> "Apply and Save" and "Save for Future Sessions" button? EZ> What "Save for Future Sessions" button? I only see "Save for Future EZ> Sessions" in the "State" menu, I don't see a button with that label. Ah, so there are two different "states" for saving... OK I'll close this bug. Customization has always been a disaster for me. Forget it. ------------=_1540480982-29646-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Oct 2018 22:13:21 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33554 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gDzUn-0007cu-FK for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 18:13:21 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:36882) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gDzUl-0007cS-CV for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 18:13:19 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gDzUf-00021x-56 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 18:13:13 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_05,FROM_EXCESS_BASE64 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:33999) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gDzUe-00021p-Sk for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 18:13:12 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:46474) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gDzUe-0007qB-6D for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 18:13:12 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gDzUb-0001zP-2u for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 18:13:12 -0400 Received: from pop.dreamhost.com ([64.90.62.162]:52354 helo=pdx1-sub0-mail-a20.g.dreamhost.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gDzUa-0001y5-Qi for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 18:13:09 -0400 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a20.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a20.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D77D8016A for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 15:13:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to :subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; s= jidanni.org; bh=s0mt7IOBV0w0O5QysSHJ1JY2Z2k=; b=jEbx59za4fOhRcwZ xH7ofn5vxNuY85LzhLq9iOB4chc1LzK2xpdq7I/5vdJ2AzEspqNt+n0NlQyuoOdB yweHAhE7qNG5edRZpO8/MVBI0AG+S3zt5auAQlWVw+Qv483T6syvwh4xUDQ/qREL MC6Ocw8pQ0R51bQpGiH3QCcxb9Y= Received: from jidanni.org (114-41-11-94.dynamic-ip.hinet.net [114.41.11.94]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jidanni@jidanni.org) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a20.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2831C8017C for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 15:13:06 -0700 (PDT) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a20 From: =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: Expose hidden "Save for Future Sessions" Customizations button Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2018 04:59:23 +0800 Message-ID: <875zxw9vx0.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-VR-OUT-STATUS: OK X-VR-OUT-SCORE: 0 X-VR-OUT-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedtkedrfeekgddujeefucetufdoteggodetrfdotffvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuggftfghnshhusghstghrihgsvgdpffftgfetoffjqffuvfenuceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucenucfjughrpefhvffufffkgggtsehttdertddttdejnecuhfhrohhmpejnnjjnucffrghnucflrggtohgsshhonhcuoehjihgurghnnhhisehjihgurghnnhhirdhorhhgqeenucfkphepuddugedrgedurdduuddrleegnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhhouggvpehsmhhtphdphhgvlhhopehjihgurghnnhhirdhorhhgpdhinhgvthepuddugedrgedurdduuddrleegpdhrvghtuhhrnhdqphgrthhhpeeprehuthhfqdekreeureehiehmpfehnfhiheehsgevkeerpecuffgrnhculfgrtghosghsohhnuceojhhiuggrnhhnihesjhhiuggrnhhnihdrohhrgheqpdhmrghilhhfrhhomhepjhhiuggrnhhnihesjhhiuggrnhhnihdrohhrghdpnhhrtghpthhtohepsghughdqghhnuhdqvghmrggtshesghhnuhdrohhrghenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedt X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.9 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.9 (-----) In the Customize Face buffer most users will think the "Apply and Save" button will save their changes to a file, only to unknowingly lose them upon exit. Only if they read (info "(emacs) Saving Customizations") will they learn of the hidden "Save for Future Sessions" button. I propose the latter button be placed on the interface right beside the former button, visible from the start. ------------=_1540480982-29646-1-- From unknown Sat Aug 16 16:22:06 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.505 (Entity 5.505) X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (GNU bug Tracking System) To: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson Subject: bug#33108: closed (Re: bug#33109: Expose hidden "Save for Future Sessions" Customizations button) Message-ID: References: <87sh0ukq4i.fsf@jidanni.org> <87zhv88fv1.fsf@jidanni.org> X-Gnu-PR-Message: they-closed 33108 X-Gnu-PR-Package: emacs X-Gnu-PR-Keywords: moreinfo Reply-To: 33108@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2018 15:23:03 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1540480983-29646-3" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1540480983-29646-3 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Your bug report #33109: Expose hidden "Save for Future Sessions" Customizations button which was filed against the emacs package, has been closed. The explanation is attached below, along with your original report. If you require more details, please reply to 33108@debbugs.gnu.org. --=20 33109: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D33109 GNU Bug Tracking System Contact help-debbugs@gnu.org with problems ------------=_1540480983-29646-3 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at 33109-close) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Oct 2018 15:22:52 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42573 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gFhTI-0007hW-8S for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 25 Oct 2018 11:22:52 -0400 Received: from glow.birch.relay.mailchannels.net ([23.83.209.71]:64735) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gFhTG-0007hN-1t for 33109-close@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 25 Oct 2018 11:22:50 -0400 X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D95D5C3DFB; Thu, 25 Oct 2018 15:22:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a16.g.dreamhost.com (unknown [100.96.19.74]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 692535C43F1; Thu, 25 Oct 2018 15:22:41 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a16.g.dreamhost.com (pop.dreamhost.com [64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.16.2); Thu, 25 Oct 2018 15:22:48 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost X-Exultant-Bitter: 2f9f3d2e207a28e9_1540480961518_1014760238 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1540480961518:3880196528 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1540480961518 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a16.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a16.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF60B7FEB7; Thu, 25 Oct 2018 08:22:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; s=jidanni.org; bh=GRnsxvgNd4TjwdEgbUypTlspIpY=; b=AwjnPw0nE+I1k xnly4Aa8Cv1XrRK4wTyjrBVYZ+S+IwnEOzYAV4ok6RKtpU80kaLy7H+cms40GFRq IHkeobNobIfr2KeMJ32w5STigPGBDQBGHWPkyEeN+/5NTxSgKEKwFthhAdbJfnU1 AA0bQ5gprgdmiU75EQofGc+j0neK8E= Received: from jidanni.org (114-41-39-17.dynamic-ip.hinet.net [114.41.39.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jidanni@jidanni.org) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a16.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0FDD27FEB3; Thu, 25 Oct 2018 08:22:39 -0700 (PDT) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a16 From: =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#33109: Expose hidden "Save for Future Sessions" Customizations button References: <875zxw9vx0.fsf@jidanni.org> <83va5wt48w.fsf@gnu.org> <87ftx0uifu.fsf@jidanni.org> <83sh0ztsey.fsf@gnu.org> <87lg6ndkj1.fsf@jidanni.org> <83pnvyqdsl.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2018 23:22:37 +0800 Message-ID: <87sh0ukq4i.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-VR-OUT-STATUS: OK X-VR-OUT-SCORE: -100 X-VR-OUT-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedtkedrgeelgdeklecutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucggtfgfnhhsuhgsshgtrhhisggvpdfftffgtefojffquffvnecuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmdenucfjughrpefhvffufhffkfggtgesthdtredttddtjeenucfhrhhomhepnjjnnjcuffgrnhculfgrtghosghsohhnuceojhhiuggrnhhnihesjhhiuggrnhhnihdrohhrgheqnecukfhppeduudegrdeguddrfeelrddujeenucfrrghrrghmpehmohguvgepshhmthhppdhhvghlohepjhhiuggrnhhnihdrohhrghdpihhnvghtpeduudegrdeguddrfeelrddujedprhgvthhurhhnqdhprghthheppeeruhhtfhdqkeerueerheeimhfphefnihehhegsveekreepucffrghnucflrggtohgsshhonhcuoehjihgurghnnhhisehjihgurghnnhhirdhorhhgqedpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehjihgurghnnhhisehjihgurghnnhhirdhorhhgpdhnrhgtphhtthhopeeffedutdelqdgtlhhoshgvseguvggssghughhsrdhgnhhurdhorhhgnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptd X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33109-close Cc: 33109-close@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.9 (/) >>>>> "EZ" == Eli Zaretskii writes: EZ> Why is this detail important? Your original report was that it EZ> doesn't save at all ("will be lost upon exit"). Do we now agree that EZ> the customization _is_ saved when you press that button? And that EZ> there's no bug here? Nothing got saved for me >> Anyway, then why is the difference between the >> "Apply and Save" and "Save for Future Sessions" button? EZ> What "Save for Future Sessions" button? I only see "Save for Future EZ> Sessions" in the "State" menu, I don't see a button with that label. Ah, so there are two different "states" for saving... OK I'll close this bug. Customization has always been a disaster for me. Forget it. ------------=_1540480983-29646-3 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Oct 2018 22:13:21 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33552 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gDzUn-0007cm-7b for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 18:13:21 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:36883) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gDzUl-0007cT-CV for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 18:13:19 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gDzUf-00022L-Nv for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 18:13:14 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,FROM_EXCESS_BASE64 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:57146) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gDzUf-000221-98 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 18:13:13 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:46481) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gDzUe-0007qF-HS for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 18:13:13 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gDzUd-00021M-RT for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 18:13:12 -0400 Received: from pop.dreamhost.com ([64.90.62.162]:52378 helo=pdx1-sub0-mail-a20.g.dreamhost.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gDzUd-00020w-Kv for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 18:13:11 -0400 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a20.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a20.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D908D8016A for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 15:13:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to :subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; s= jidanni.org; bh=JDe9GF/+MAswLCWjMgCvY5uTv9I=; b=c6jX6ykmAZcbb6lb fth4wX4pnKQdBFY2hNRHh62Wky7Ov2IaEp1XwWOUwsoWI+q8T9cj1VJpkHPoj3Di q5e7v76IKTUQq0ALt3pnwbUvQb9Zr9/jJ4dlPMF7SRg9xjHa1lWkFGIZ4up/3tA4 bIiZ4di6Jp1aKvoRQ4rJs9TtIqo= Received: from jidanni.org (114-41-11-94.dynamic-ip.hinet.net [114.41.11.94]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jidanni@jidanni.org) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a20.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 782898017A for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 15:13:10 -0700 (PDT) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a20 From: =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: Expose hidden "Save for Future Sessions" Customizations button Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2018 05:31:30 +0800 Message-ID: <87zhv88fv1.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-VR-OUT-STATUS: OK X-VR-OUT-SCORE: 0 X-VR-OUT-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedtkedrfeekgddujeefucetufdoteggodetrfdotffvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuggftfghnshhusghstghrihgsvgdpffftgfetoffjqffuvfenuceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucenucfjughrpefhvffufffkgggtsehttdertddttdejnecuhfhrohhmpejnnjjnucffrghnucflrggtohgsshhonhcuoehjihgurghnnhhisehjihgurghnnhhirdhorhhgqeenucfkphepuddugedrgedurdduuddrleegnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhhouggvpehsmhhtphdphhgvlhhopehjihgurghnnhhirdhorhhgpdhinhgvthepuddugedrgedurdduuddrleegpdhrvghtuhhrnhdqphgrthhhpeeprehuthhfqdekreeureehiehmpfehnfhiheehsgevkeerpecuffgrnhculfgrtghosghsohhnuceojhhiuggrnhhnihesjhhiuggrnhhnihdrohhrgheqpdhmrghilhhfrhhomhepjhhiuggrnhhnihesjhhiuggrnhhnihdrohhrghdpnhhrtghpthhtohepsghughdqghhnuhdqvghmrggtshesghhnuhdrohhrghenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedu X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.9 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.9 (-----) In the Customize Face buffer most users will think the "Apply and Save" button will save their changes to a file, only to unknowingly lose them upon exit. Only if they read (info "(emacs) Saving Customizations") will they learn of the hidden "Save for Future Sessions" button. I propose the latter button be placed on the interface right beside the former button, visible from the start. Also whatever makes this comment ;; custom-set-... was added by Custom. ;; If you edit it by hand, you could mess it up, so be careful. ;; Your init file should contain only one such instance. ;; If there is more than one, they won't work right. should mention it too. ------------=_1540480983-29646-3-- From unknown Sat Aug 16 16:22:06 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#33109: Expose hidden "Save for Future Sessions" Customizations button In-Reply-To: <875zxw9vx0.fsf@jidanni.org> Resent-From: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2018 15:24:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 33109 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo To: 33109-done@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 33109-done@debbugs.gnu.org id=D33109.154048101629746 (code D ref 33109); Thu, 25 Oct 2018 15:24:01 +0000 Received: (at 33109-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Oct 2018 15:23:36 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42583 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gFhU0-0007ji-H0 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 25 Oct 2018 11:23:36 -0400 Received: from catfish.maple.relay.mailchannels.net ([23.83.214.32]:10249) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gFhTx-0007jW-UE for 33109-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 25 Oct 2018 11:23:34 -0400 X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80B105022DD for <33109-done@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 25 Oct 2018 15:23:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a16.g.dreamhost.com (unknown [100.96.30.62]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 3CF38502722 for <33109-done@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 25 Oct 2018 15:23:28 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a16.g.dreamhost.com (pop.dreamhost.com [64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.16.2); Thu, 25 Oct 2018 15:23:28 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost X-Trade-Juvenile: 2f77e16632c1a167_1540481008358_2636579230 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1540481008358:4038190923 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1540481008358 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a16.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a16.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E74557FEB6 for <33109-done@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 25 Oct 2018 08:23:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to :subject:references:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; s=jidanni.org; bh=rWW1POykvh2+aO8PkX9GZRQRnD8=; b=bRs6gWheIp+7a mBB8Ud5622minNDqG7kj5ZN/8+MfKrsh7zsmHdFJUDrHx7NtnyU+6Fwfjc/7eweO 6g36Atgs3S1pQDCsfcGafEDl3GW79P82MCdBuwFMQsfPqMVJGPLVUWRZCyw58mdP aDaY0C4E6hhYDn5Zrpamb5kFP6e89Q= Received: from jidanni.org (114-41-39-17.dynamic-ip.hinet.net [114.41.39.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jidanni@jidanni.org) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a16.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7093D7FEAB for <33109-done@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 25 Oct 2018 08:23:27 -0700 (PDT) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a16 From: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson References: <875zxw9vx0.fsf@jidanni.org> <83va5wt48w.fsf@gnu.org> <87ftx0uifu.fsf@jidanni.org> <83sh0ztsey.fsf@gnu.org> <87lg6ndkj1.fsf@jidanni.org> <83pnvyqdsl.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2018 23:23:24 +0800 Message-ID: <87o9bikq37.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-VR-OUT-STATUS: OK X-VR-OUT-SCORE: 0 X-VR-OUT-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedtkedrgeelgdeklecutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucggtfgfnhhsuhgsshgtrhhisggvpdfftffgtefojffquffvnecuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecunecujfgurhephffvufhffffkgggtsehttdertddttdejnecuhfhrohhmpejnnjjnucffrghnucflrggtohgsshhonhcuoehjihgurghnnhhisehjihgurghnnhhirdhorhhgqeenucfkphepuddugedrgedurdefledrudejnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhhouggvpehsmhhtphdphhgvlhhopehjihgurghnnhhirdhorhhgpdhinhgvthepuddugedrgedurdefledrudejpdhrvghtuhhrnhdqphgrthhhpeeprehuthhfqdekreeureehiehmpfehnfhiheehsgevkeerpecuffgrnhculfgrtghosghsohhnuceojhhiuggrnhhnihesjhhiuggrnhhnihdrohhrgheqpdhmrghilhhfrhhomhepjhhiuggrnhhnihesjhhiuggrnhhnihdrohhrghdpnhhrtghpthhtohepfeefuddtledqughonhgvseguvggssghughhsrdhgnhhurdhorhhgnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgepud X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.2 (/) Closing.