From unknown Sun Jun 22 22:48:25 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#32893: describe-variable doesn't metion what lisp file created the variable Resent-From: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2018 12:46:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 32893 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 32893@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.153839791027054 (code B ref -1); Mon, 01 Oct 2018 12:46:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Oct 2018 12:45:10 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60822 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g6xZW-00072G-Fi for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 01 Oct 2018 08:45:10 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:38023) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g6xZU-00071v-KP for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 01 Oct 2018 08:45:08 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g6xZO-0005gw-8S for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 01 Oct 2018 08:45:03 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FROM_EXCESS_BASE64 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:46458) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g6xZO-0005gg-4T for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 01 Oct 2018 08:45:02 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:47622) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g6xZN-0001NT-IA for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Oct 2018 08:45:02 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g6xZH-0005bq-Io for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Oct 2018 08:44:59 -0400 Received: from pop.dreamhost.com ([64.90.62.162]:33250 helo=pdx1-sub0-mail-a14.g.dreamhost.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g6xZE-0005Wx-MK for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Oct 2018 08:44:53 -0400 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a14.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a14.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A4067E17A for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2018 05:44:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to :subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; s= jidanni.org; bh=1gHFi4doeKtMAxSli9JoaeQ59ow=; b=ao1mCwc8o1QZMh7R Vv1KAkfjLq0G0WKJHxFvngxamRYaZP5gvX6JdpPU44RzhmNrnD9QJVsoUrLlCImx IWe6lR75XbbTgXGr5DJMIBqvKYH2Mm40yi23aWM/hQEJwDulOnSfVW2meg4a6Msp JiEfsx143pgVF4P4TDofFwVDKmQ= Received: from jidanni.org (114-26-42-167.dynamic-ip.hinet.net [114.26.42.167]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jidanni@jidanni.org) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a14.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0C0287E179 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2018 05:44:50 -0700 (PDT) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a14 X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a14 From: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2018 20:44:47 +0800 Message-ID: <87h8i5rg3k.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.9 (----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.9 (-----) describe-function mentions the lisp file where a function was created, but describe-variable doesn't mention what lisp file a variable was created. 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[45.2.119.34]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id z5-v6sm4527181iti.2.2018.10.01.05.51.34 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Mon, 01 Oct 2018 05:51:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Noam Postavsky References: <87h8i5rg3k.fsf@jidanni.org> Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2018 08:51:34 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87h8i5rg3k.fsf@jidanni.org> ("=?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson"'s message of "Mon, 01 Oct 2018 20:44:47 +0800") Message-ID: <87y3bhn82x.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) tags 32893 + moreinfo unreproducible quit =E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC Dan Jacobson writes: > describe-function mentions the lisp file where a function was created, > but describe-variable doesn't mention what lisp file a variable was creat= ed. Huh? v abbrev-file-name RET: abbrev-file-name is a variable defined in =E2=80=98abbrev.el=E2=80=99. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ From unknown Sun Jun 22 22:48:25 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#32893: describe-variable doesn't metion what lisp file created the variable In-Reply-To: <87h8i5rg3k.fsf@jidanni.org> Resent-From: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2018 13:09:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 32893 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: unreproducible moreinfo To: Noam Postavsky Cc: 32893@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 32893-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B32893.15383993075116 (code B ref 32893); Mon, 01 Oct 2018 13:09:02 +0000 Received: (at 32893) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Oct 2018 13:08:27 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60860 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g6xw3-0001KS-Iq for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 01 Oct 2018 09:08:27 -0400 Received: from pop.dreamhost.com ([64.90.62.162]:34286 helo=pdx1-sub0-mail-a14.g.dreamhost.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g6xw1-0001KJ-F1 for 32893@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 01 Oct 2018 09:08:26 -0400 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a14.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a14.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AC6A7E170; Mon, 1 Oct 2018 06:08:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; s=jidanni.org; bh=BsNqDHsq02MJtxhV2X 7OlUziZx0=; b=Au8aJTTWxZr8R+iLIt7Q94XrDUbhCqg8Ok+qfs1hS5BjfPHdbM xE0GqTNSctEhL6yYXk2T4qpUqkXGGwhQdTFTLx0njdXDki5lgGq1t/GhkheofR7A vQt5zVYqRikjRYd1412xMsFa8lziV3YulbZszt4+o3GGaSB+ABIpmzWxI= Received: from jidanni.org (114-26-42-167.dynamic-ip.hinet.net [114.26.42.167]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jidanni@jidanni.org) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a14.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 941407E174; Mon, 1 Oct 2018 06:08:23 -0700 (PDT) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a14 X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a14 From: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson References: <87h8i5rg3k.fsf@jidanni.org> <87y3bhn82x.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2018 21:08:20 +0800 Message-ID: <878t3hrf0b.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.9 (/) I get: abbrev-file-name=E2=80=99s value is "~/.emacs.d/abbrev_defs" Documentation: Default name of file from which to read abbrevs. You can customize this variable. [back] emacs-version is a variable defined in =E2=80=98C source code=E2=80=99. Its value is "25.2.2" Hmmm, at least that last one worked, here on Debian. From unknown Sun Jun 22 22:48:25 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#32893: describe-variable doesn't metion what lisp file created the variable Resent-From: Noam Postavsky Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2018 13:42:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 32893 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: unreproducible moreinfo To: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson Cc: 32893@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 32893-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B32893.15384012919016 (code B ref 32893); Mon, 01 Oct 2018 13:42:01 +0000 Received: (at 32893) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Oct 2018 13:41:31 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60914 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g6yS3-0002LJ-DO for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 01 Oct 2018 09:41:31 -0400 Received: from mail-oi1-f181.google.com ([209.85.167.181]:41468) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g6yS1-0002L3-Lh for 32893@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 01 Oct 2018 09:41:29 -0400 Received: by mail-oi1-f181.google.com with SMTP id l197-v6so11175891oib.8 for <32893@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 01 Oct 2018 06:41:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=+so8QQ0V/JzSp2kNFxWkzwbhZw5Tpmi/j6nCA6Dy/r8=; b=fYPXGhgyik9V3n4GghpWZn2F7tNYilfN2yX2bJVO/xXz1Z72T+dxRubmanAMpDHO54 Itqd0fdVBUT2lDw48k+4+b5x/RiHCmWmr8Q9sIYmj3S05HvCFpy7EiKujMGrrhpQ/Ig7 r3ILJWVDhIGTq0lNjMSxZTWC1FuTQK05uf3YtXuUfiPH8y+UFmwbRCBq3KApgSVQnytp pSpAivtnd460oCK+1kxXn4Lkt/vq0D9cxStOVnPJT63lG8RMD/5sFccOw6mkK6hBTZY1 EOmWFnRzEuDixAiHkziGSiTtLqyQTRJBO0OlIA6451qeRWEOmMhp/1pYx1AGRJYs107Y ZqCg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=+so8QQ0V/JzSp2kNFxWkzwbhZw5Tpmi/j6nCA6Dy/r8=; b=DFSkWwEJnD3LHIzhvo1FFlzd8I/RgmFHdx2OEQdab+UHfUJYIV6Tx23fOcvcTei0mM e65dKgeqvGr+7Nh9lvPCZq1MfaBwdr0B6LYdNFKrfQoHQj3g0n69XTQKXBFjzhkcoeAj 3zuy0WD7D3fawB9UgpcGTDwSu2f6bByvIMmlY09o8IegDwYm6yqzZgVPAkWhgeNb8sTt vmO2W54gEv37Rq21mE41e6fX6e/emMY7e0vV92T/BOh6F/MCGm2/NvPDu1u/JAm0W3su Clqpd4PeqPBiiSUwQyo15HZ/yZvLA+4+bkxgLoHrE2ivdt2l9qpdH5JN0j7865DFYkqG cMfg== X-Gm-Message-State: ABuFfogFfQicMu+NZnPGuCoiHXl1Wmrh5bNd67zy1937K2hPZTgGPJYl z/2ojHnc6m5pfXp9kr49r1cupfBZVs2zp07uSpIsDw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACcGV626YsoYiZi/3TPLb8nJ9BZmve7qgtnlWoZjBjPac6xf2XlJS7xBpUd4AALzI8pnZeLUzB2jJL8qCBmIGaLrees= X-Received: by 2002:aca:4d51:: with SMTP id a78-v6mr4043598oib.205.1538401283714; Mon, 01 Oct 2018 06:41:23 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <87h8i5rg3k.fsf@jidanni.org> <87y3bhn82x.fsf@gmail.com> <878t3hrf0b.fsf@jidanni.org> In-Reply-To: <878t3hrf0b.fsf@jidanni.org> From: Noam Postavsky Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2018 09:41:11 -0400 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On Mon, 1 Oct 2018 at 09:08, =E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC Dan Jacobson wrote: > > I get: > > abbrev-file-name=E2=80=99s value is "~/.emacs.d/abbrev_defs" Does it happen like this from 'emacs -Q'? From unknown Sun Jun 22 22:48:25 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#32893: describe-variable doesn't metion what lisp file created the variable Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2018 13:44:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 32893 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: unreproducible moreinfo To: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson Cc: 32893@debbugs.gnu.org, npostavs@gmail.com Received: via spool by 32893-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B32893.15384014259285 (code B ref 32893); Mon, 01 Oct 2018 13:44:02 +0000 Received: (at 32893) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Oct 2018 13:43:45 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60918 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g6yUC-0002Pe-RT for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 01 Oct 2018 09:43:45 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:52335) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g6yUB-0002PM-Ea for 32893@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 01 Oct 2018 09:43:43 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g6yU2-0007vJ-Qv for 32893@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 01 Oct 2018 09:43:38 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:57183) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g6yU2-0007v8-M8; Mon, 01 Oct 2018 09:43:34 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1353 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1g6yU2-0005sb-9o; Mon, 01 Oct 2018 09:43:34 -0400 Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2018 16:43:27 +0300 Message-Id: <834le54wao.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <878t3hrf0b.fsf@jidanni.org> References: <87h8i5rg3k.fsf@jidanni.org> <87y3bhn82x.fsf@gmail.com> <878t3hrf0b.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) > From: 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson > > Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2018 21:08:20 +0800 > Cc: 32893@debbugs.gnu.org > > I get: > > abbrev-file-name’s value is "~/.emacs.d/abbrev_defs" > > Documentation: > Default name of file from which to read abbrevs. > > You can customize this variable. > > [back] > > emacs-version is a variable defined in ‘C source code’. > Its value is "25.2.2" > > Hmmm, at least that last one worked, here on Debian. Maybe you should report this to Debian, because my Emacs 25.2 does show the file where abbrev-file-name is defined. From unknown Sun Jun 22 22:48:25 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#32893: describe-variable doesn't metion what lisp file created the variable In-Reply-To: <87h8i5rg3k.fsf@jidanni.org> Resent-From: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2018 14:14:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 32893 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: unreproducible moreinfo To: Noam Postavsky Cc: 32893@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 32893-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B32893.153840322613754 (code B ref 32893); Mon, 01 Oct 2018 14:14:01 +0000 Received: (at 32893) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Oct 2018 14:13:46 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33387 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g6yxG-0003Zm-7L for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 01 Oct 2018 10:13:46 -0400 Received: from pop.dreamhost.com ([64.90.62.162]:59270 helo=pdx1-sub0-mail-a14.g.dreamhost.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g6yxC-0003Zd-QJ for 32893@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 01 Oct 2018 10:13:43 -0400 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a14.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a14.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20B4B7E154; Mon, 1 Oct 2018 07:13:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; s=jidanni.org; bh=Y31JrHkhLn/NF0bUMjDTIpKu4B0=; b=Yjl4DCnXXbFR9 iPyQGyLr8idpePIOt2oXUkpzJgA7Vs79Ob8n1OeEM9xXItSg2SZX5oM+exTYiJsg KqnrJCoTWfGZrH+SAAe37WGO9xhNbOVA/MDnrmEZ7lnlDWART60diXQqeyYIWorg aZB5ejmUynMLJf7c3QYAMO+nurOeXs= Received: from jidanni.org (114-26-42-167.dynamic-ip.hinet.net [114.26.42.167]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jidanni@jidanni.org) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a14.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A4B897E174; Mon, 1 Oct 2018 07:13:41 -0700 (PDT) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a14 X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a14 From: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson References: <87h8i5rg3k.fsf@jidanni.org> <87y3bhn82x.fsf@gmail.com> <878t3hrf0b.fsf@jidanni.org> Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2018 22:13:38 +0800 Message-ID: <87o9cdpxf1.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.9 (/) >>>>> "NP" == Noam Postavsky writes: NP> Does it happen like this from 'emacs -Q'? Yes. Still bad. OK I submitted https://bugs.debian.org/910021 . From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Oct 01 11:35:32 2018 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Oct 2018 15:35:32 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33442 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g70EO-0005nf-4Y for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 01 Oct 2018 11:35:32 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:49732) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g70EL-0005nQ-MU for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 01 Oct 2018 11:35:30 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g70ED-0002t5-Cl for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 01 Oct 2018 11:35:22 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:59307) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g70EA-0002mZ-U5 for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 01 Oct 2018 11:35:19 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1g70E9-0004E7-5l for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 01 Oct 2018 11:35:18 -0400 Subject: control message for bug 32893 To: X-Mailer: mail (GNU Mailutils 2.99.98) Message-Id: From: Glenn Morris Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2018 11:35:17 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) tag 32893 wontfix forwarded 32893 https://bugs.debian.org/910021 close 32893 From unknown Sun Jun 22 22:48:25 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#32893: Let him know source code is available In-Reply-To: <87h8i5rg3k.fsf@jidanni.org> Resent-From: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2018 21:47:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 32893 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo unreproducible wontfix To: 32893@debbugs.gnu.org Cc: 910021@bugs.debian.org Received: via spool by 32893-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B32893.153843038631271 (code B ref 32893); Mon, 01 Oct 2018 21:47:02 +0000 Received: (at 32893) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Oct 2018 21:46:26 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33568 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g761J-00088J-NT for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 01 Oct 2018 17:46:25 -0400 Received: from pop.dreamhost.com ([64.90.62.162]:45478 helo=pdx1-sub0-mail-a34.g.dreamhost.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g761H-00088A-LM for 32893@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 01 Oct 2018 17:46:24 -0400 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a34.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a34.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9C3D7F40F; Mon, 1 Oct 2018 14:46:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; s=jidanni.org; bh=9Nvlz5sLBBp/syiU3k4bgjuPWHw=; b=Qn3ud6n62QcAP CYW9vW4Dk1zpf63qyo4uKfJv6sJNx0Zd5cQJmVzI7tDYOhE7cb3aPU3MEN/SLh+/ FGvWD0zg84tzGxouGoNt+tppIkYm6Z9tAkrHImRtdYEc4rI4QB7E2gU7U2p1hwtp 3aoUXK558XC99lsuI21sDMPyB4xbXk= Received: from jidanni.org (114-41-21-76.dynamic-ip.hinet.net [114.41.21.76]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jidanni@jidanni.org) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a34.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5815A7F399; Mon, 1 Oct 2018 14:46:22 -0700 (PDT) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a34 X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a34 From: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson References: <87r2h9ahig.fsf@tethera.net> <87tvm5pye2.fsf@jidanni.org> Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2018 05:46:17 +0800 Message-ID: <87zhvxgx1y.fsf_-_@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.9 (/) B> most likely caused by missing recommended package emacs-el. Dear bug-gnu-emacs, I got an idea for 32893@debbugs.gnu.org: Show the same thing no matter if the user has the .els installed or not. And when he clicks on it have a message: "Source code not available because you don't have the .els installed." Or next to the link have "(source code not installed)" etc. next to the link so he knows before he clicks it. Currently he has no clue that source code is actually available, thus defeating the whole Free Software Movement! From unknown Sun Jun 22 22:48:25 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#32893: Let him know source code is available Resent-From: Glenn Morris Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2018 22:57:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 32893 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo unreproducible wontfix To: 32893@debbugs.gnu.org Cc: jidanni@jidanni.org Received: via spool by 32893-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B32893.15384345945801 (code B ref 32893); Mon, 01 Oct 2018 22:57:02 +0000 Received: (at 32893) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Oct 2018 22:56:34 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33582 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g777C-0001VV-Bl for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 01 Oct 2018 18:56:34 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:60294) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g777A-0001VJ-Et for 32893@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 01 Oct 2018 18:56:32 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g7773-0004fe-3H for 32893@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 01 Oct 2018 18:56:27 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:38526) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g7771-0004fA-9z; Mon, 01 Oct 2018 18:56:25 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1g776x-0002U9-EH; Mon, 01 Oct 2018 18:56:19 -0400 From: Glenn Morris References: <87r2h9ahig.fsf@tethera.net> <87tvm5pye2.fsf@jidanni.org> <87zhvxgx1y.fsf_-_@jidanni.org> X-Spook: Rumsfeld Organized crime Rubin Mysql injection Whitehouse X-Ran: uk+12fAn0[l!Dk)aBb='.UD[8N204PzyEc[hH;PD9^p_%I< ("=?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson"'s message of "Tue, 02 Oct 2018 05:46:17 +0800") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) =E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC Dan Jacobson wrote: > B> most likely caused by missing recommended package emacs-el. > > Dear bug-gnu-emacs, I got an idea for 32893@debbugs.gnu.org: > Show the same thing no matter if the user has the .els installed or not. Emacs does not support installing without its .el files and makes no provision for it. It's something downstream distributions added back when disk space was an issue (I guess?). They get to keep all the pieces from the resulting breakage. :) Personally I think it should this separation should just go away. From unknown Sun Jun 22 22:48:25 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#32893: Let him know source code is available Resent-From: Glenn Morris Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2018 23:05:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 32893 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo unreproducible wontfix To: 32893@debbugs.gnu.org Cc: jidanni@jidanni.org Received: via spool by 32893-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B32893.15384350766667 (code B ref 32893); Mon, 01 Oct 2018 23:05:01 +0000 Received: (at 32893) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Oct 2018 23:04:36 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33593 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g77Ex-0001jT-Tr for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 01 Oct 2018 19:04:36 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:33637) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g77Ex-0001jF-0T for 32893@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 01 Oct 2018 19:04:35 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g77Er-00084Y-7M for 32893@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 01 Oct 2018 19:04:29 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:38645) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g77Em-00083S-1e; Mon, 01 Oct 2018 19:04:26 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1g77Ef-0002Yd-FV; Mon, 01 Oct 2018 19:04:19 -0400 From: Glenn Morris References: <87r2h9ahig.fsf@tethera.net> <87tvm5pye2.fsf@jidanni.org> <87zhvxgx1y.fsf_-_@jidanni.org> X-Spook: Sleet Central Intelligence Agency Center for Disease X-Ran: y]$L48:Pa(n69y`ef?CmsIKlGoBoE]KkYTU&-7}@:Z}>n4:w>o~i5Z<.?JdE9eYlJz'[of X-Hue: green X-Attribution: GM Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2018 19:04:16 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Glenn Morris's message of "Mon, 01 Oct 2018 18:56:18 -0400") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) PS Red Hat got rid of this split years ago, and I would encourage Debian to follow suit; ref https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1151652 From unknown Sun Jun 22 22:48:25 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#32893: GNU wishes Debian not split out .els anymore In-Reply-To: <87h8i5rg3k.fsf@jidanni.org> Resent-From: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2018 00:29:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 32893 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo unreproducible wontfix To: 910021@bugs.debian.org, control@bugs.debian.org, Glenn Morris Cc: 32893@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 32893-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B32893.153844012315071 (code B ref 32893); Tue, 02 Oct 2018 00:29:02 +0000 Received: (at 32893) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Oct 2018 00:28:43 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33621 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g78YN-0003v1-M6 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; 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Content preview: reopen 910021 retitle 910021 GNU wishes Debian not split out .els anymore thanks >>>>> "GM" == Glenn Morris writes: GM> Emacs does not support installing without its .el files and makes no GM> provision for it. It's something downstream distributions added back GM> when disk space was an issue (I guess?). They get to keep all the pieces GM> from the resulting breakage. :) GM> Personally I think it should this separation should just go away. 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GM> PS Red Hat got rid of this split years ago, and I would encourage Debian GM> to follow suit; ref https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1151652