From drew.adams@oracle.com Wed May 13 15:13:57 2009 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 13 May 2009 22:13:58 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.6 required=4.0 tests=AWL,FOURLA autolearn=no version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n4DMDsex019647 for ; Wed, 13 May 2009 15:13:56 -0700 Received: from mail.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]:38671 helo=mx10.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1M4Mi2-0006Va-Gr for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 18:13:54 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1M4Mhy-0003jc-HL for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 18:13:54 -0400 Received: from rcsinet12.oracle.com ([148.87.113.124]:23140 helo=rgminet12.oracle.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1M4Mhy-0003jY-7M for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 18:13:50 -0400 Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com (acsinet15.oracle.com [141.146.126.227]) by rgminet12.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id n4DMDeEn006462 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Wed, 13 May 2009 22:13:42 GMT Received: from abhmt004.oracle.com (abhmt004.oracle.com [141.146.116.13]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id n4DMEFv8016412 for ; Wed, 13 May 2009 22:14:15 GMT Received: from dradamslap1 (/141.144.80.110) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Wed, 13 May 2009 15:13:44 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" To: Subject: 23.0.93; doc string of set-frame-parameter Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 15:13:45 -0700 Message-ID: <008301c9d418$1663c270$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AcnUGBUWZ0NU6wZgSCuQlbsbhb0SNA== X-Source-IP: abhmt004.oracle.com [141.146.116.13] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A010206.4A0B4619.00CF:SCFSTAT5015188,ss=1,fgs=0 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) "If FRAME is nil, it defaults to the selected frame." No. If FRAME is nil, then there is no argument defaulting. It should say that if FRAME is nil, the selected frame is used. In GNU Emacs 23.0.93.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2009-05-02 on SOFT-MJASON Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 configured using `configure --with-gcc (3.4)' From cyd@stupidchicken.com Wed May 13 20:27:20 2009 Received: (at 3277-done) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 14 May 2009 03:27:21 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=4.0 tests=AWL autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from cyd.mit.edu (CYD.MIT.EDU [18.115.2.24]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n4E3RGqk014153 for <3277-done@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Wed, 13 May 2009 20:27:17 -0700 Received: by cyd.mit.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 1CB3E57E233; Wed, 13 May 2009 23:27:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Chong Yidong To: "Drew Adams" Cc: 3277-done@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: 23.0.93; doc string of set-frame-parameter Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 23:27:30 -0400 Message-ID: <87iqk4z7ml.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > "If FRAME is nil, it defaults to the selected frame." > > No. If FRAME is nil, then there is no argument defaulting. It should > say that if FRAME is nil, the selected frame is used. This is standard usage in many docstrings. There is no risk of confusion. From drew.adams@oracle.com Thu May 14 00:43:55 2009 Received: (at 3277-done) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 14 May 2009 07:43:55 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.7 required=4.0 tests=AWL autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from acsinet12.oracle.com (acsinet12.oracle.com [141.146.126.234]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n4E7hoId023629 for <3277-done@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Thu, 14 May 2009 00:43:51 -0700 Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com (acsinet15.oracle.com [141.146.126.227]) by acsinet12.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id n4E7hW85029060 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 14 May 2009 07:43:34 GMT Received: from abhmt002.oracle.com (abhmt002.oracle.com [141.146.116.11]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id n4E7iCi6009297; Thu, 14 May 2009 07:44:12 GMT Received: from dradamslap1 (/141.144.64.154) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Thu, 14 May 2009 00:43:41 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" To: "'Chong Yidong'" Cc: <3277-done@debbugs.gnu.org> References: <87iqk4z7ml.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> Subject: RE: 23.0.93; doc string of set-frame-parameter Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 00:43:42 -0700 Message-ID: <00e301c9d467$b4e58330$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <87iqk4z7ml.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AcnURA27qZHhANvYTtSdYii3cEEkWgAHI3hA X-Source-IP: abhmt002.oracle.com [141.146.116.11] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090206.4A0BCBAD.03E8:SCFSTAT5015188,ss=1,fgs=0 > From: Chong Yidong Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 8:28 PM > > "If FRAME is nil, it defaults to the selected frame." > > > > No. If FRAME is nil, then there is no argument defaulting. It should > > say that if FRAME is nil, the selected frame is used. > > This is standard usage in many docstrings. There is no risk of > confusion. What is "standard usage in many doc strings" is to say that by default, the selected frame is used, where "by default" refers to the _absence_ of an optional arg. There is no optional argument here. This is not just about possible confusion; it's about English and logic. "It", in "it defaults to", can only refer to the argument FRAME. The value of FRAME remains nil in that case. The _default behavior_ of the function, that is, the behavior when FRAME is nil, is to use the selected frame. But "it" - the value of parameter FRAME does not default to anything. There is no parameter defaulting involved here. What needs to be said is simply that a nil value of FRAME means that the selected frame is used. 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