From unknown Sat Jun 21 02:57:47 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#3276 <3276@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#3276 <3276@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: 23.0.93; doc for minibuffer-frame-alist Reply-To: bug#3276 <3276@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2025 09:57:47 +0000 retitle 3276 23.0.93; doc for minibuffer-frame-alist reassign 3276 emacs submitter 3276 "Drew Adams" severity 3276 normal thanks From drew.adams@oracle.com Wed May 13 15:11:02 2009 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 13 May 2009 22:11:02 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.7 required=4.0 tests=AWL,FOURLA autolearn=no version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n4DMAw9f019501 for ; Wed, 13 May 2009 15:10:59 -0700 Received: from mx10.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]:38572) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1M4MfB-0006KU-FL for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 18:10:57 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1M4Mf9-0003IR-NE for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 18:10:56 -0400 Received: from acsinet12.oracle.com ([141.146.126.234]:28699) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1M4Mf9-0003H9-7a for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Wed, 13 May 2009 18:10:55 -0400 Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com (acsinet15.oracle.com [141.146.126.227]) by acsinet12.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id n4DMAdZP027453 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Wed, 13 May 2009 22:10:40 GMT Received: from abhmt004.oracle.com (abhmt004.oracle.com [141.146.116.13]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id n4DMBHeb011656 for ; Wed, 13 May 2009 22:11:18 GMT Received: from dradamslap1 (/141.144.80.110) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Wed, 13 May 2009 15:10:47 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" To: Subject: 23.0.93; doc for minibuffer-frame-alist Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 15:10:48 -0700 Message-ID: <008201c9d417$acb8d360$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AcnUF6tYCcsK5i8US8S8DG8KRyCVWg== X-Source-IP: abhmt004.oracle.com [141.146.116.13] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A010204.4A0B4568.0011:SCFSTAT5015188,ss=1,fgs=0 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) In GNU Emacs 23.0.93.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2009-05-02 on SOFT-MJASON Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 configured using `configure --with-gcc (3.4)' Doc string says: Alist of parameters for initial minibuffer frame. You can set this in your init file; for example, (setq minibuffer-frame-alist '((top . 1) (left . 1) (width . 80) (height . 2))) Parameters specified here supersede the values given in `default-frame-alist', for a minibuffer frame. But this option is *only* for a standalone minibuffer frame, and such a frame must have this frame parameter: (minibuffer . only). So that example is a bad one. Elisp manual says: This variable's value is an alist of parameter values used when creating an initial minibuffer-only frame--if such a frame is needed, according to the parameters for the main initial frame. What does "if such a frame is needed" mean here? When (why) would it be needed? What does "according to the parameters for the main initial frame" mean here? This description is less informative than the doc string. And like the doc string, it should mention that parameter `minibuffer' should have value `only'. From cyd@stupidchicken.com Wed May 13 21:01:59 2009 Received: (at 3276-done) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 14 May 2009 04:01:59 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=4.0 tests=AWL autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from cyd.mit.edu (CYD.MIT.EDU [18.115.2.24]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n4E41usO023831 for <3276-done@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Wed, 13 May 2009 21:01:57 -0700 Received: by cyd.mit.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9D77D57E233; Thu, 14 May 2009 00:02:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Chong Yidong To: "Drew Adams" Cc: 3276-done@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: 23.0.93; doc for minibuffer-frame-alist Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 00:02:10 -0400 Message-ID: <87zldg9vst.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Alist of parameters for initial minibuffer frame. > You can set this in your init file; for example, > > (setq minibuffer-frame-alist > '((top . 1) (left . 1) (width . 80) (height . 2))) > > Parameters specified here supersede the values given in > `default-frame-alist', for a minibuffer frame. > > But this option is *only* for a standalone minibuffer frame, and such > a frame must have this frame parameter: (minibuffer . only). So that > example is a bad one. Actually, (minibuffer . only) is automatically appended. > What does "if such a frame is needed" mean here? When (why) would it > be needed? I clarified this in the docstring and the manual. From drew.adams@oracle.com Thu May 14 00:43:11 2009 Received: (at 3276-done) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 14 May 2009 07:43:12 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.7 required=4.0 tests=AWL autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from rgminet11.oracle.com (rcsinet11.oracle.com [148.87.113.123]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n4E7h8Kh023609 for <3276-done@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Thu, 14 May 2009 00:43:09 -0700 Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com (acsinet15.oracle.com [141.146.126.227]) by rgminet11.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id n4E7hPR0005073 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 14 May 2009 07:43:27 GMT Received: from abhmt007.oracle.com (abhmt007.oracle.com [141.146.116.16]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id n4E7hUES007860; Thu, 14 May 2009 07:43:30 GMT Received: from dradamslap1 (/141.144.64.154) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Thu, 14 May 2009 00:42:58 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" To: "'Chong Yidong'" Cc: <3276-done@debbugs.gnu.org> References: <87zldg9vst.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> Subject: RE: 23.0.93; doc for minibuffer-frame-alist Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 00:43:00 -0700 Message-ID: <00e201c9d467$9ba87bc0$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <87zldg9vst.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AcnUSMLvHuEqmUp+SdWgWDDolUzefwAGhTwQ X-Source-IP: abhmt007.oracle.com [141.146.116.16] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A09020A.4A0BCB83.01FE:SCFSTAT5015188,ss=1,fgs=0 > From: Chong Yidong Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 9:02 PM > > Alist of parameters for initial minibuffer frame. > > You can set this in your init file; for example, > > > > (setq minibuffer-frame-alist > > '((top . 1) (left . 1) (width . 80) (height . 2))) > > > > Parameters specified here supersede the values given in > > `default-frame-alist', for a minibuffer frame. > > > > But this option is *only* for a standalone minibuffer > > frame, and such a frame must have this frame parameter: > > (minibuffer . only). So that example is a bad one. > > Actually, (minibuffer . only) is automatically appended. All the more reason that that example alone is unclear. It needs to be said explicitly that that example setting is sufficient because (minibuffer . only) is automatically appended. The `only' value needs to be mentioned somewhere here - it is what this is all about. > > What does "if such a frame is needed" mean here? When > > (why) would it be needed? > > I clarified this in the docstring and the manual. Thanks. From monnier@iro.umontreal.ca Sun May 17 12:13:14 2009 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 17 May 2009 19:13:14 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.1 required=4.0 tests=AWL,HAS_BUG_NUMBER autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n4HJD8qf006227 for ; Sun, 17 May 2009 12:13:09 -0700 Received: from mail.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]:52826 helo=mx10.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1M5lnI-0000dq-5R for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Sun, 17 May 2009 15:13:08 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1M5lnG-0007Q9-21 for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Sun, 17 May 2009 15:13:07 -0400 Received: from ironport2-out.pppoe.ca ([206.248.154.182]:29992 helo=ironport2-out.teksavvy.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1M5lnF-0007Pf-MD for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Sun, 17 May 2009 15:13:05 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvAFAF/+D0pMCovv/2dsb2JhbACBT84ahAEFhWo X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.41,208,1241409600"; d="scan'208";a="38712141" Received: from 76-10-139-239.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([76.10.139.239]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP; 17 May 2009 15:12:58 -0400 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 82A8A8096; Sun, 17 May 2009 15:13:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier To: Drew Adams Cc: 3276@debbugs.gnu.org, Subject: Re: bug#3276: 23.0.93; doc for minibuffer-frame-alist Message-ID: References: <008201c9d417$acb8d360$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 15:13:46 -0400 In-Reply-To: <008201c9d417$acb8d360$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> (Drew Adams's message of "Wed, 13 May 2009 15:10:48 -0700") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.93 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. > Alist of parameters for initial minibuffer frame. > You can set this in your init file; for example, > (setq minibuffer-frame-alist > '((top . 1) (left . 1) (width . 80) (height . 2))) > Parameters specified here supersede the values given in > `default-frame-alist', for a minibuffer frame. > But this option is *only* for a standalone minibuffer frame, and such > a frame must have this frame parameter: (minibuffer . only). So that > example is a bad one. No: the (minibuffer . only) part will be added automatically. > What does "if such a frame is needed" mean here? If the current terminal doesn't have any minibuffer (all the frame are minibuffer-less). then a minibuffer-only frame is automatically created (using the settings in minibuffer-frame-alist). Stefan From unknown Sat Jun 21 02:57:47 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: $requester Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 14:24:16 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # A New Hope # A log time ago, in a galaxy far, far away # something happened. # # Magically this resulted in the following # action being taken, but this fake control # message doesn't tell you why it happened # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator