From unknown Mon Jun 23 04:15:43 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#32756: Customize UI Value Menu Label&Text Description is out of wack Resent-From: Van L Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 08:47:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 32756 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 32756@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.15372604112016 (code B ref -1); Tue, 18 Sep 2018 08:47:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Sep 2018 08:46:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43618 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g2Bej-0000WR-Jq for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2018 04:46:51 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:56194) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g2Beg-0000WB-Bz for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2018 04:46:46 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g2Bea-0002Mp-Im for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2018 04:46:41 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:54238) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g2Bea-0002Mh-FR for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2018 04:46:40 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:48936) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g2BeZ-0003wJ-Ks for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2018 04:46:40 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g2BeW-0002Ii-Bz for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2018 04:46:39 -0400 Received: from relay4-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.196]:39731) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g2BeU-0002Cl-Ht for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2018 04:46:36 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 220.244.158.222 Received: from epi.local (220-244-158-222.tpgi.com.au [220.244.158.222]) (Authenticated sender: van@scratch.space) by relay4-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1953EE0018 for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2018 08:46:30 +0000 (UTC) From: Van L Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 18:46:25 +1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.3 (----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.3 (-----) Hello. The label in the Value Menu should match exactly what is described in = the documentation for the following: 1. Xref Prompt For Identifier 2. Dired Use Ls Dired when using Customize UI. An ideal user to verify the ability to achieve their goal whilst = interacting with this aspect of the UI is to ask for feedback from a = working writer, such as, a journalist. (Not me.)= From unknown Mon Jun 23 04:15:43 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.505 (Entity 5.505) X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (GNU bug Tracking System) To: Van L Subject: bug#32756: closed (Re: bug#32756: Customize UI Value Menu Label&Text Description is out of wack) Message-ID: References: <83va71ex3r.fsf@gnu.org> X-Gnu-PR-Message: they-closed 32756 X-Gnu-PR-Package: emacs Reply-To: 32756@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2018 08:00:03 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1537344003-26461-1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1537344003-26461-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Your bug report #32756: Customize UI Value Menu Label&Text Description is out of wack which was filed against the emacs package, has been closed. The explanation is attached below, along with your original report. If you require more details, please reply to 32756@debbugs.gnu.org. --=20 32756: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D32756 GNU Bug Tracking System Contact help-debbugs@gnu.org with problems ------------=_1537344003-26461-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at 32756-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Sep 2018 07:59:47 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45098 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g2XOk-0006rx-OE for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 19 Sep 2018 03:59:46 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:47900) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g2XOj-0006rg-5k for 32756-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 19 Sep 2018 03:59:45 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g2XOa-0002Rr-M6 for 32756-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 19 Sep 2018 03:59:39 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:36608) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g2XOa-0002Rf-HD; Wed, 19 Sep 2018 03:59:36 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1672 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1g2XOa-0001SG-42; Wed, 19 Sep 2018 03:59:36 -0400 Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2018 10:59:36 +0300 Message-Id: <83va71ex3r.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Van L In-reply-to: (message from Van L on Tue, 18 Sep 2018 18:46:25 +1000) Subject: Re: bug#32756: Customize UI Value Menu Label&Text Description is out of wack References: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 32756-done Cc: 32756-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) > From: Van L > Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 18:46:25 +1000 > > Hello. > > The label in the Value Menu should match exactly what is described in the documentation for the following: > > 1. Xref Prompt For Identifier > 2. Dired Use Ls Dired > > when using Customize UI. "Match exactly" is not a worthy goal, IMO, (even if possible, which I doubt), because the menu items cannot be as long as the doc string, and the doc string is typically long, as it should include enough details to explain itself completely. However, I made changes (on the emacs-26 branch) that I believe make the menus for those two variables match their doc strings much closer. > An ideal user to verify the ability to achieve their goal whilst interacting with this aspect of the UI is to ask for feedback from a working writer, such as, a journalist. (Not me.) I don't think we have such users on board, but if there are concrete practical suggestions for further improvement, they are welcome. Thanks. ------------=_1537344003-26461-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Sep 2018 08:46:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43618 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g2Bej-0000WR-Jq for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2018 04:46:51 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:56194) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g2Beg-0000WB-Bz for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2018 04:46:46 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g2Bea-0002Mp-Im for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2018 04:46:41 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:54238) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g2Bea-0002Mh-FR for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2018 04:46:40 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:48936) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g2BeZ-0003wJ-Ks for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2018 04:46:40 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g2BeW-0002Ii-Bz for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2018 04:46:39 -0400 Received: from relay4-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.196]:39731) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g2BeU-0002Cl-Ht for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2018 04:46:36 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 220.244.158.222 Received: from epi.local (220-244-158-222.tpgi.com.au [220.244.158.222]) (Authenticated sender: van@scratch.space) by relay4-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1953EE0018 for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2018 08:46:30 +0000 (UTC) From: Van L Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Customize UI Value Menu Label&Text Description is out of wack Message-Id: Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 18:46:25 +1000 To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.3 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.3 (-----) Hello. The label in the Value Menu should match exactly what is described in = the documentation for the following: 1. Xref Prompt For Identifier 2. Dired Use Ls Dired when using Customize UI. An ideal user to verify the ability to achieve their goal whilst = interacting with this aspect of the UI is to ask for feedback from a = working writer, such as, a journalist. (Not me.)= ------------=_1537344003-26461-1-- From unknown Mon Jun 23 04:15:43 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#32756: Customize UI Value Menu Label&Text Description is out of wack Resent-From: Van L Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2018 11:48:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 32756 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 32756-done@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 32756-done@debbugs.gnu.org id=D32756.153735767524049 (code D ref 32756); Wed, 19 Sep 2018 11:48:01 +0000 Received: (at 32756-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Sep 2018 11:47:55 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45172 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g2axX-0006Fp-JV for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 19 Sep 2018 07:47:55 -0400 Received: from relay9-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.199]:50521) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g2axW-0006Fh-7Q for 32756-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 19 Sep 2018 07:47:55 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 220.244.158.222 Received: from epi.local (220-244-158-222.tpgi.com.au [220.244.158.222]) (Authenticated sender: van@scratch.space) by relay9-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B9317FF806; Wed, 19 Sep 2018 11:47:50 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: Van L In-Reply-To: <83va71ex3r.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2018 21:47:46 +1000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <83DFB053-BDB7-49CC-9B7E-FFDC8DF00CB1@scratch.space> References: <83va71ex3r.fsf@gnu.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > I don't think we have such users on board, but if there are concrete > practical suggestions for further improvement, they are welcome. What might think a person with an arts, humanities background and is a = Lisper knowing Emacs? can the intangible aesthetics of the Customize UI = improve with input from that user base.=