From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Sep 18 04:46:51 2018 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Sep 2018 08:46:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43618 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g2Bej-0000WR-Jq for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2018 04:46:51 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:56194) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g2Beg-0000WB-Bz for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2018 04:46:46 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g2Bea-0002Mp-Im for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2018 04:46:41 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:54238) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g2Bea-0002Mh-FR for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2018 04:46:40 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:48936) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g2BeZ-0003wJ-Ks for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2018 04:46:40 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g2BeW-0002Ii-Bz for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2018 04:46:39 -0400 Received: from relay4-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.196]:39731) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g2BeU-0002Cl-Ht for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2018 04:46:36 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 220.244.158.222 Received: from epi.local (220-244-158-222.tpgi.com.au [220.244.158.222]) (Authenticated sender: van@scratch.space) by relay4-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1953EE0018 for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2018 08:46:30 +0000 (UTC) From: Van L Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Customize UI Value Menu Label&Text Description is out of wack Message-Id: Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 18:46:25 +1000 To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.3 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.3 (-----) Hello. The label in the Value Menu should match exactly what is described in = the documentation for the following: 1. Xref Prompt For Identifier 2. Dired Use Ls Dired when using Customize UI. An ideal user to verify the ability to achieve their goal whilst = interacting with this aspect of the UI is to ask for feedback from a = working writer, such as, a journalist. (Not me.)= From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Sep 19 03:59:47 2018 Received: (at 32756-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Sep 2018 07:59:47 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45098 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g2XOk-0006rx-OE for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 19 Sep 2018 03:59:46 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:47900) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g2XOj-0006rg-5k for 32756-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 19 Sep 2018 03:59:45 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g2XOa-0002Rr-M6 for 32756-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 19 Sep 2018 03:59:39 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:36608) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g2XOa-0002Rf-HD; Wed, 19 Sep 2018 03:59:36 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1672 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1g2XOa-0001SG-42; Wed, 19 Sep 2018 03:59:36 -0400 Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2018 10:59:36 +0300 Message-Id: <83va71ex3r.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Van L In-reply-to: (message from Van L on Tue, 18 Sep 2018 18:46:25 +1000) Subject: Re: bug#32756: Customize UI Value Menu Label&Text Description is out of wack References: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 32756-done Cc: 32756-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) > From: Van L > Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 18:46:25 +1000 > > Hello. > > The label in the Value Menu should match exactly what is described in the documentation for the following: > > 1. Xref Prompt For Identifier > 2. Dired Use Ls Dired > > when using Customize UI. "Match exactly" is not a worthy goal, IMO, (even if possible, which I doubt), because the menu items cannot be as long as the doc string, and the doc string is typically long, as it should include enough details to explain itself completely. However, I made changes (on the emacs-26 branch) that I believe make the menus for those two variables match their doc strings much closer. > An ideal user to verify the ability to achieve their goal whilst interacting with this aspect of the UI is to ask for feedback from a working writer, such as, a journalist. (Not me.) I don't think we have such users on board, but if there are concrete practical suggestions for further improvement, they are welcome. Thanks. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Sep 19 07:47:55 2018 Received: (at 32756-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Sep 2018 11:47:55 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45172 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g2axX-0006Fp-JV for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 19 Sep 2018 07:47:55 -0400 Received: from relay9-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.199]:50521) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g2axW-0006Fh-7Q for 32756-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 19 Sep 2018 07:47:55 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 220.244.158.222 Received: from epi.local (220-244-158-222.tpgi.com.au [220.244.158.222]) (Authenticated sender: van@scratch.space) by relay9-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B9317FF806; Wed, 19 Sep 2018 11:47:50 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) Subject: Re: bug#32756: Customize UI Value Menu Label&Text Description is out of wack From: Van L In-Reply-To: <83va71ex3r.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2018 21:47:46 +1000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <83DFB053-BDB7-49CC-9B7E-FFDC8DF00CB1@scratch.space> References: <83va71ex3r.fsf@gnu.org> To: Eli Zaretskii X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 32756-done Cc: 32756-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > I don't think we have such users on board, but if there are concrete > practical suggestions for further improvement, they are welcome. What might think a person with an arts, humanities background and is a = Lisper knowing Emacs? can the intangible aesthetics of the Customize UI = improve with input from that user base.= From unknown Mon Jun 23 04:14:27 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2018 11:24:06 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator