From unknown Sat Jun 21 17:34:51 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#32733 <32733@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#32733 <32733@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: 26; (dired-x) `Shell Command Guessing' typo Reply-To: bug#32733 <32733@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2025 00:34:51 +0000 retitle 32733 26; (dired-x) `Shell Command Guessing' typo reassign 32733 emacs submitter 32733 Drew Adams severity 32733 normal tag 32733 fixed thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Sep 14 00:27:18 2018 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Sep 2018 04:27:18 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39876 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g0fhO-0001Q6-Ii for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 00:27:18 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:35813) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g0fhM-0001Pt-E4 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; 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Fri, 14 Sep 2018 04:27:02 +0000 Received: from aserv0122.oracle.com (aserv0122.oracle.com [141.146.126.236]) by userv0022.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id w8E4R1vv009247 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 04:27:01 GMT Received: from abhmp0005.oracle.com (abhmp0005.oracle.com [141.146.116.11]) by aserv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id w8E4R12U001755 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 04:27:01 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <8ffb002f-5cb1-40c2-9795-42115e8298fb@default> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2018 21:27:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 26; (dired-x) `Shell Command Guessing' typo X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4735.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5900 definitions=9015 signatures=668708 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=1 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=900 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1807170000 definitions=main-1809140045 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) This is not clear: If '*' in the shell command, that means to substitute the file name. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Probably it should be something like "If `*' appears in the shell command..." or "If there is an asterisk (`*') in the shell command..." or "If the shell command contains `*'...". In GNU Emacs 26.1 (build 1, x86_64-w64-mingw32) of 2018-05-30 Repository revision: 07f8f9bc5a51f5aa94eb099f3e15fbe0c20ea1ea Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 10.0.16299 Configured using: `configure --without-dbus --host=3Dx86_64-w64-mingw32 --without-compress-install 'CFLAGS=3D-O2 -static -g3'' From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Sep 14 03:28:34 2018 Received: (at 32733) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Sep 2018 07:28:34 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39981 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g0iWo-0006RE-Dz for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 03:28:34 -0400 Received: from mail-wm1-f50.google.com ([209.85.128.50]:50533) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g0iWm-0006R0-5F for 32733@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 03:28:32 -0400 Received: by mail-wm1-f50.google.com with SMTP id s12-v6so960623wmc.0 for <32733@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 00:28:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:mail-copies-to:gmane-reply-to-list :date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version; bh=YKs7Kzwm9bekhHD2NvT3ezxnR1u23mdfLath+1ft7ug=; b=AB18Z6UDl8vMQNQtj6IYlM3HcdMcpgGP1sboBq3DFYOCjZHrtNi9Um40Ld8Kg+Uqia iOF+pJ2fvYt9uR8iV0OrxIl2BSbu0GMhDzBwsJdW1AnQeGWbAVBcSU/YXUpDQ2llVyL0 WD8vrUIC/8ezVGGiEFKYzl7+RsLYLWZtjX3yiiIu+ykJiG/QnFCqNfeUAlybQhWKLA8z E+DHC4qax1rC+Ivyt0cNEKPx03Xu7RZwKSiQEjUejZDfigcP2k7yfxoLqZdrOyHF8VcS IslQytcmlh/vgJaQCDPi0ihXXi2NpJUukGoin8yglRFGFgxSeXJwc5X3ffbWjmAhG5pV zhSg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:mail-copies-to :gmane-reply-to-list:date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version; bh=YKs7Kzwm9bekhHD2NvT3ezxnR1u23mdfLath+1ft7ug=; b=J7FAKaTXDlfHfruWx6QWJ5R2W856dIZJUJz56w8OCud5m3V3PZZzhcgEq2xiC0Ihxr HGcHhon8RF1CV2Q4Dl1I/bwYc4Jap/Szwi4sjJtv0sdpOiPZrnOPIGs46YY1oWOQ2M53 ut0Hen7U3Etc7gG8FmHOsz5qwQXcM7/Ir754J/Vhy+ShjXZHqB9SIvZCvSR3niaZNa4i lruKwzekgkSIb9H/d09m61YKSz9B5RHnbHqdthqvTW7HSnLvScMz3wGA2rd4A/ZK4Lkr cJtYuXrlyukd5X+5jHTj4iDeRc1FYgjTgGstf65GqcX/hGZ8j+SPf4JH6YPG9fHP5U3l Bs+A== X-Gm-Message-State: APzg51BRbFVK/pEQ9MKyo8NbfdZaqRxO9XMrlQA2UEe8in7H7BaUQDFq Hc5fyAN8Q+E1RwNr5IgekQAXih1Q X-Google-Smtp-Source: ANB0VdYgFAdqt7bo6ZyrTW91XhHGFL+KFm6azFSaOjkpZopQs6zW+IwUoDLGGBFbZXP36LXXLRtPcg== X-Received: by 2002:a1c:be14:: with SMTP id o20-v6mr1192715wmf.73.1536910105605; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 00:28:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rpluim-ubuntu ([149.5.228.1]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id d1-v6sm13140716wrc.52.2018.09.14.00.28.24 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 14 Sep 2018 00:28:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Pluim To: Drew Adams Subject: Re: bug#32733: 26; (dired-x) `Shell Command Guessing' typo References: <8ffb002f-5cb1-40c2-9795-42115e8298fb@default> X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes Mail-Copies-To: never Gmane-Reply-To-List: yes Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 09:28:22 +0200 In-Reply-To: <8ffb002f-5cb1-40c2-9795-42115e8298fb@default> (Drew Adams's message of "Thu, 13 Sep 2018 21:27:00 -0700 (PDT)") Message-ID: <878t44pmg9.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 32733 Cc: 32733@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Drew Adams writes: > This is not clear: > > If '*' in the shell command, that means to substitute the file name. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > Probably it should be something like "If `*' appears in the shell > command..." or "If there is an asterisk (`*') in the shell command..." > or "If the shell command contains `*'...". > How about: A @samp{*} in the shell command is replaced by the file name. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Sep 14 09:39:55 2018 Received: (at 32733) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Sep 2018 13:39:55 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40138 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g0oKB-0001dj-75 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 09:39:55 -0400 Received: from userp2130.oracle.com ([156.151.31.86]:59090) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g0oK6-0001dQ-SG for 32733@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 09:39:51 -0400 Received: from pps.filterd (userp2130.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp2130.oracle.com (8.16.0.22/8.16.0.22) with SMTP id w8EDXQRE016604; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 13:39:45 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : cc : subject : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2018-07-02; bh=ph7NxOiWpGyvGwoJJm5PtbQMyuOyaLHsUKpaoPr1XHQ=; b=UjOWGxdXts17pISxqIzWWJ+PqNNp0VHy3Q/HHKIE++UeQGO/JZKfthyqHhqeJ+33Alta BiamgQG2h4awwch+NUm3uAUCciKbtGqXE0WqP5FVitSny3AkeKfeQ06zgP/Ht5vZ3S+o TZKI3P8KxbedcIQLdFBVAzLyt/P0Q/EPlsLpNvl4MfQ0IA1VB+KZHzxK2m0v5/DZv2tm GGDJJbYWsED+hLe/FXf2PakTUHCEPL3jexayyioIJOkEig9F8cGI2LGCIb4ujxVqONkr ptRIocPM2D8zADPZz96xM1r+ReG22iv2MTqlss2wNUIlzsdOOHgYI8uKbR6HUcRowOvY WQ== Received: from aserv0022.oracle.com (aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234]) by userp2130.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2mc5uty67y-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Sep 2018 13:39:45 +0000 Received: from aserv0122.oracle.com (aserv0122.oracle.com [141.146.126.236]) by aserv0022.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id w8EDdhrX008860 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Sep 2018 13:39:44 GMT Received: from abhmp0005.oracle.com (abhmp0005.oracle.com [141.146.116.11]) by aserv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id w8EDdhUK002606; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 13:39:43 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 06:39:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: Robert Pluim Subject: RE: bug#32733: 26; (dired-x) `Shell Command Guessing' typo References: <8ffb002f-5cb1-40c2-9795-42115e8298fb@default> <878t44pmg9.fsf@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <878t44pmg9.fsf@gmail.com> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4735.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5900 definitions=9015 signatures=668708 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=594 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1807170000 definitions=main-1809140142 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 32733 Cc: 32733@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > How about: > A @samp{*} in the shell command is replaced by the file name. Good. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Sep 14 10:01:47 2018 Received: (at 32733) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Sep 2018 14:01:47 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40806 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g0ofL-0002N4-14 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 10:01:47 -0400 Received: from mail-wr1-f51.google.com ([209.85.221.51]:34303) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g0ofJ-0002Mm-39; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 10:01:45 -0400 Received: by mail-wr1-f51.google.com with SMTP id g33-v6so10764238wrd.1; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 07:01:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:mail-copies-to:gmane-reply-to-list :date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ffr58gNoA669Mpjz8+vlf33pMesl1iALajN0XWridWg=; b=HvQI3pgra49xc3RpH0NnddLJSk+0vh+7qDFlO8SAOBbA/6J4K9gWVKcck+R95EHWdW Hg7/Sl7pkLeAZBuRlmdA21KupyHa3gnfmC/phU1HD+zwIUPQQyQyjSLxK1m42wuoi29E cDdvtxkONNjPPEgdGpNwVAlBtmEp6F1iAeRkRjkOv/Rwljjaawgtlpw3scrE+SzIBAtH GTcws+kEF3+La26yONfzoNoE2gALpBf4QUlTSKWGgijOUUg1fHNzXsRyu5iQ36tC1bv5 1a1OjtHjTC4Aoz/amHsLLfiXYRVTRGU3W/DkBj7da+J85ocULmdFTVgf75DTUb6ChKVO FoJw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:mail-copies-to :gmane-reply-to-list:date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding; bh=ffr58gNoA669Mpjz8+vlf33pMesl1iALajN0XWridWg=; b=Jpl6paoRd3PWFqFWwuCQtP0Qzt/ddXrjdj1PyfPPALeffMexsdVqwFImjxC3MG6ykL NM71IGonVpY8TkuSmCHxA4BBOjn2EdKJRhWXjfUPC7ehEkOq2EU48a/pUr8KKCS3vXt1 nih4AO5ufLgBc/iKwXjKk/r3u7sksE4OZUeVl+Rd9UtIebnBwJ+Wwt77wpbd8EUvOuWm yWi8rAqPSj/Hg0NWBjhluzB+aHIAldiDj2KKaNcttdpFcebhQeFsWRroJ5prPgtfhOKj kn8RyPqzCXWjy6mM5gxVyyBjdlk/zvB7G4M/BRhe8I4P/hDTFkND4DTiH7anBz+pug/5 e5XA== X-Gm-Message-State: APzg51C4C3l4h9tz7ymoqDTY3lF0BdT3N8d76BlYnKmFfE82S3oURe7v c7LkFjLThYZ0xXmAgOUw8eqfBvNF X-Google-Smtp-Source: ANB0VdYc/bKfc7xCA2S6QxnyFh4FoSePILKN/qnFwG0mgUXmPk4iPXgjpiOHB61INFkA2vsLYE4+tw== X-Received: by 2002:adf:add0:: with SMTP id w74-v6mr10223628wrc.73.1536933698365; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 07:01:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rpluim-ubuntu ([149.5.228.1]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id z184-v6sm2323428wmz.0.2018.09.14.07.01.36 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 14 Sep 2018 07:01:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Pluim To: Drew Adams Subject: Re: bug#32733: 26; (dired-x) `Shell Command Guessing' typo References: <8ffb002f-5cb1-40c2-9795-42115e8298fb@default> <878t44pmg9.fsf@gmail.com> X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes Mail-Copies-To: never Gmane-Reply-To-List: yes Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 16:01:35 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Fri, 14 Sep 2018 06:39:42 -0700 (PDT)") Message-ID: <87r2hwnpog.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 32733 Cc: 32733@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) tags 32733 fixed close 32733 26.2 quit Drew Adams writes: >> How about: >> A @samp{*} in the shell command is replaced by the file name. > > Good. Pushed as 219893a519 to emacs-26 Regards Robert PS Drew, I=CA=BCm surprised you don=CA=BCt make these kind of changes direc= tly yourself, rather than opening a bug. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Sep 14 20:48:04 2018 Received: (at 32733) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Sep 2018 00:48:04 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41014 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g0ykm-0004Ij-3W for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 20:48:04 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:59583) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g0ykk-0004IC-Nj for 32733@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 20:48:03 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g0yke-0007Hp-B3 for 32733@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 20:47:56 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:60924) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g0ykZ-0006mx-KJ; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 20:47:51 -0400 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1g0ykZ-000614-F2; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 20:47:51 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman To: Drew Adams In-Reply-To: (message from Drew Adams on Fri, 14 Sep 2018 06:39:42 -0700 (PDT)) Subject: Re: bug#32733: 26; (dired-x) `Shell Command Guessing' typo References: <8ffb002f-5cb1-40c2-9795-42115e8298fb@default> <878t44pmg9.fsf@gmail.com> Message-Id: Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 20:47:51 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 32733 Cc: rpluim@gmail.com, 32733@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > A @samp{*} in the shell command is replaced by the file name. How about putting that in the active voice? -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (https://gnu.org, https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Sep 18 08:58:05 2018 Received: (at 32733) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Sep 2018 12:58:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43784 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g2FZt-0000qI-FS for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2018 08:58:05 -0400 Received: from mail-wm1-f43.google.com ([209.85.128.43]:54760) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g2FZs-0000pj-Fy for 32733@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2018 08:58:04 -0400 Received: by mail-wm1-f43.google.com with SMTP id c14-v6so2386205wmb.4 for <32733@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 18 Sep 2018 05:58:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:mail-copies-to:gmane-reply-to-list :date:message-id:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ztYcxZFqajYRDUnUonuY+SXY2cIsPH95e3h3oLKoBSg=; b=YeYoD5SZOwL+68LQo6yt+pMa72s75WOaDbstfhKZr+BQiQ/B6/qbkXiJzdCKoxDdbH 5anKZ3mvA+YBTvjsIjlv+TUHtBtAlpHKRXDAGLzTgDHT4hWO53yyb0yi+v+sDNVmqSDA gKBxlrqGQm4QN8b0sS6Bb4+O4m/XHn9UyIf3bnn8zfXkW5rCOySzhdWK///+uagHejXI FZTMUFHJBmByLQxgFS7kBEonYccf8TXBmx4xk/l5fRuXDa0qH277RqjqsmdU34uo8xZH l0hjEwsJTMftYhqrEMt2TYX1TA687/2IQsawTifKL9QoBO10hrtqyX5Hyni9v2KAjUqw e/gw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:mail-copies-to :gmane-reply-to-list:date:message-id:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding; bh=ztYcxZFqajYRDUnUonuY+SXY2cIsPH95e3h3oLKoBSg=; b=BkPGgYFOO8Gjz8ssZcG+E9lE+z9z1T0T9pNd7kW2GNWc4gA//69txPfVQv7xtRagM4 zrr55oOXw+eV6dIjqhqFvcxxSEHzLfDuAibolZr8CWbErhYJTnsgjOnXypdI0IyvbdPX 08R+e01gTsj0EkmHPXNb4180/zS+bwW6k6J7VYV1wVKVU+9diHyh7gIA2woNydM6Kbgm DRW5LHOx9/ZDLV1iYscOt+/XnT4B8tdLAz0CCYTzOBFP4ny2oPJIg3dNqMaOG6vAW/99 v8F6EupSnJhbe+jO7y9DsziU5Tp74eyHRcVvlri7+zxqYuOvgxBH9YYKiOT0Q0XvxCpy oGiA== X-Gm-Message-State: APzg51AiFLE9l/PtMAC49NFWKcEUFWvKa/9Rhk1rfByiFLv7o7vNFmVT DrjazD76JhqedUKrR6t7rMtP7prM X-Google-Smtp-Source: ANB0VdYvtrb/6WUFk8O2sFo67Efvk3MTeMbaMQNsbBcVYMJwGwXWFFy5vijXzrCLLEXcjaWceDRoVA== X-Received: by 2002:a1c:2d54:: with SMTP id t81-v6mr16056386wmt.31.1537275477836; Tue, 18 Sep 2018 05:57:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rpluim-ubuntu ([149.5.228.1]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id a6-v6sm2211624wmf.22.2018.09.18.05.57.56 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 18 Sep 2018 05:57:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Pluim To: Richard Stallman Subject: Re: bug#32733: 26; (dired-x) `Shell Command Guessing' typo References: <8ffb002f-5cb1-40c2-9795-42115e8298fb@default> <878t44pmg9.fsf@gmail.com> X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes Mail-Copies-To: never Gmane-Reply-To-List: yes Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 14:57:54 +0200 Message-ID: <87zhwfm08d.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 32733 Cc: Drew Adams , 32733@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Richard Stallman writes: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > > > A @samp{*} in the shell command is replaced by the file name. > > How about putting that in the active voice? I guess that=CA=BCs possible, but it would make that sentence be very different in tone from the surrounding text. Robert From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Sep 18 09:21:53 2018 Received: (at 32733) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Sep 2018 13:21:53 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43811 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g2Fwv-0001Vf-5v for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2018 09:21:53 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:51281) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g2Fwu-0001VS-5t for 32733@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2018 09:21:52 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g2Fwl-0004ke-2V for 32733@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2018 09:21:47 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:44805) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g2Fwk-0004k4-To; Tue, 18 Sep 2018 09:21:42 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3308 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1g2FwZ-0001AZ-IR; Tue, 18 Sep 2018 09:21:34 -0400 Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 16:21:20 +0300 Message-Id: <83pnxbeyb3.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Robert Pluim In-reply-to: <87zhwfm08d.fsf@gmail.com> (message from Robert Pluim on Tue, 18 Sep 2018 14:57:54 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#32733: 26; (dired-x) `Shell Command Guessing' typo References: <8ffb002f-5cb1-40c2-9795-42115e8298fb@default> <878t44pmg9.fsf@gmail.com> <87zhwfm08d.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 32733 Cc: rms@gnu.org, 32733@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) > From: Robert Pluim > Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 14:57:54 +0200 > Cc: 32733@debbugs.gnu.org > > > > > A @samp{*} in the shell command is replaced by the file name. > > > > How about putting that in the active voice? > > I guess thatʼs possible, but it would make that sentence be very > different in tone from the surrounding text. Not sure what surrounding text is alluded to here, but I'd just say A @samp{*} in the shell command stands for the file name that matched the regexp. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Sep 18 09:37:07 2018 Received: (at 32733) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Sep 2018 13:37:07 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43829 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g2GBf-0003v0-12 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2018 09:37:07 -0400 Received: from mail-wr1-f42.google.com ([209.85.221.42]:38758) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g2GBb-0003uT-S3 for 32733@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2018 09:37:04 -0400 Received: by mail-wr1-f42.google.com with SMTP id w11-v6so2147234wrc.5 for <32733@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 18 Sep 2018 06:37:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=1zKDaccr7YNvYkCnwRGkxVwb+Xj0VbODYuDaW1CrdEk=; b=pq7i8AuKD3AoDJD//IKAlXrh5eBkWine0kgkk83c0jCU+4GqCshF5AKBgkOnjB6AvO HulIAom81UwPgqcgXg53YkC4OLfS0BQeQzjMifm0vg8wmi9MY0YotnAgzMkwhlrgaWrX gFy6OR5ZPELdyXJdh0YoY0wjqbG2pteo9XTfoSm1u0/fJHmR1w9lpyUCIODs7ThByFrj JLpoDlos/HDTLHCq25ytRWN5wHigUojqFNF9CXssxlZ1lFpnPvUrBmtgXMlM0LXI1Mux YNQxtijpXFG+WSnNNoGAo5ixbdPiXqIZCC9Jseq0GQ9nXJ5l+yGTDqSUGXXvjhR1G68j KAMg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=1zKDaccr7YNvYkCnwRGkxVwb+Xj0VbODYuDaW1CrdEk=; b=qZlKtQAycchTwLs9kRYW+xUK6fi1pcxBiyQdJUQrdAO8XF5WtFXeKt1zjIluBd+oz2 HbCvZDjhU2ZAg48d4OpwoqHwIabvDBazcG0kO4o/hT9XDqRrfcvbrMbSLF9JrANPy5ta SlCshl1yuTpBrga/64+WdSYPu74wnA29AUr52oBmsLe+QELFE57TI1ZqjjFwj6b0v8n6 k9d7FwlUTFF7FRltj0/y/L0TpnpreEVHIqt4nizqMGw5Xw36e2cQHC1TUHWPW3/yhTHM NFdluCS15XmpsGOJpWwzLf9t4vC4dRA4RQ6S2gOwdD1C2z/qL0tulajclM0UN08uvpp+ nqKQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APzg51DNP0Dl8EiHvWvAkx3Rs+DlWedd//uM61Hj7wykWAUaIsZG2P7Q yui0skxe3virxxMoEobW13QjFdLF X-Google-Smtp-Source: ANB0VdZhtgaiqCY38sMH1xPrkcEoIjFxMORuc0eHd8ADDogASlZ2ucY93+NROgqfcE49WBDH1h8cgQ== X-Received: by 2002:adf:9e93:: with SMTP id a19-v6mr24044866wrf.70.1537277817453; Tue, 18 Sep 2018 06:36:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rpluim-ubuntu ([149.5.228.1]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id w3-v6sm16236460wru.93.2018.09.18.06.36.56 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 18 Sep 2018 06:36:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Pluim To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#32733: 26; (dired-x) `Shell Command Guessing' typo References: <8ffb002f-5cb1-40c2-9795-42115e8298fb@default> <878t44pmg9.fsf@gmail.com> <87zhwfm08d.fsf@gmail.com> <83pnxbeyb3.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 15:36:54 +0200 In-Reply-To: <83pnxbeyb3.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Tue, 18 Sep 2018 16:21:20 +0300") Message-ID: <87o9cvkjux.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 32733 Cc: rms@gnu.org, 32733@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Robert Pluim >> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 14:57:54 +0200 >> Cc: 32733@debbugs.gnu.org >>=20 >> > > > A @samp{*} in the shell command is replaced by the file name. >> > >> > How about putting that in the active voice? >>=20 >> I guess that=CA=BCs possible, but it would make that sentence be very >> different in tone from the surrounding text. > > Not sure what surrounding text is alluded to here, but I'd just say > > A @samp{*} in the shell command stands for the file name that > matched the regexp. I don=CA=BCt find that notably clearer nor more 'active'. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Sep 18 10:19:37 2018 Received: (at 32733) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Sep 2018 14:19:37 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44542 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g2Gqn-00056h-8D for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2018 10:19:37 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:47242) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g2Gqm-00056V-7q for 32733@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2018 10:19:36 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g2Gqd-0004GZ-K5 for 32733@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2018 10:19:30 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:46135) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g2Gqd-0004GV-G7; Tue, 18 Sep 2018 10:19:27 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2888 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1g2GqV-0002ES-Qy; Tue, 18 Sep 2018 10:19:21 -0400 Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 17:19:08 +0300 Message-Id: <83k1niga77.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Robert Pluim In-reply-to: <87o9cvkjux.fsf@gmail.com> (message from Robert Pluim on Tue, 18 Sep 2018 15:36:54 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#32733: 26; (dired-x) `Shell Command Guessing' typo References: <8ffb002f-5cb1-40c2-9795-42115e8298fb@default> <878t44pmg9.fsf@gmail.com> <87zhwfm08d.fsf@gmail.com> <83pnxbeyb3.fsf@gnu.org> <87o9cvkjux.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 32733 Cc: rms@gnu.org, 32733@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) > From: Robert Pluim > Cc: rms@gnu.org, 32733@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 15:36:54 +0200 > > > A @samp{*} in the shell command stands for the file name that > > matched the regexp. > > I donʼt find that notably clearer nor more 'active'. I think it's slightly better, although not overwhelmingly so. However, we make a point of avoiding passive tense in our documentation, so it makes sense to try to avoid it even if the effect is relatively minor. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Sep 18 23:37:00 2018 Received: (at 32733) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Sep 2018 03:37:00 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44956 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g2TIR-000874-Lb for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2018 23:37:00 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:46607) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g2TIQ-00086r-46 for 32733@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2018 23:36:58 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g2TII-0000tz-Ul for 32733@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2018 23:36:52 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:60689) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g2TI2-0000IC-83; Tue, 18 Sep 2018 23:36:34 -0400 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1g2TI2-0006Q6-3K; Tue, 18 Sep 2018 23:36:34 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman To: Robert Pluim In-Reply-To: <87zhwfm08d.fsf@gmail.com> (message from Robert Pluim on Tue, 18 Sep 2018 14:57:54 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#32733: 26; (dired-x) `Shell Command Guessing' typo References: <8ffb002f-5cb1-40c2-9795-42115e8298fb@default> <878t44pmg9.fsf@gmail.com> <87zhwfm08d.fsf@gmail.com> Message-Id: Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 23:36:34 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 32733 Cc: drew.adams@oracle.com, 32733@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > How about putting that in the active voice? > I guess thatʼs possible, but it would make that sentence be very > different in tone from the surrounding text. If the surrounding text uses passive voice, please try rewriting that text to use active voice. That is one of our guidelines for writing. See GNU Manuals in the GNU Coding Standards. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (https://gnu.org, https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Sep 18 23:41:42 2018 Received: (at 32733) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Sep 2018 03:41:42 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44988 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g2TN0-0008HE-1U for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2018 23:41:42 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:49226) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g2TMx-0008Ga-1b for 32733@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2018 23:41:39 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g2TMr-0005xv-2F for 32733@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2018 23:41:33 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:60962) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g2TMp-0005vv-Kk; Tue, 18 Sep 2018 23:41:31 -0400 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1g2TMp-0007SV-8d; Tue, 18 Sep 2018 23:41:31 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman To: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <83pnxbeyb3.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Tue, 18 Sep 2018 16:21:20 +0300) Subject: Re: bug#32733: 26; (dired-x) `Shell Command Guessing' typo References: <8ffb002f-5cb1-40c2-9795-42115e8298fb@default> <878t44pmg9.fsf@gmail.com> <87zhwfm08d.fsf@gmail.com> <83pnxbeyb3.fsf@gnu.org> Message-Id: Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 23:41:31 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 32733 Cc: rpluim@gmail.com, 32733@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > A @samp{*} in the shell command stands for the file name that > matched the regexp. That's an improvement. It is a little easier to read than the passive sentence, a little clearer. Once in a while there is a good reason to use passive voice. Most of the time, replacing it with active voice makes it a little clearer; sometimes much clearer. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (https://gnu.org, https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Sep 19 03:10:10 2018 Received: (at 32733) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Sep 2018 07:10:10 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45071 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g2Wcj-0005WV-Ny for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 19 Sep 2018 03:10:09 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:35328) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g2Wci-0005W3-Ic for 32733@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 19 Sep 2018 03:10:08 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g2WcX-00051d-8z for 32733@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 19 Sep 2018 03:10:03 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:35894) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g2WcX-00051A-3X; Wed, 19 Sep 2018 03:09:57 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2563 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1g2WcO-0000Nk-OT; Wed, 19 Sep 2018 03:09:49 -0400 Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2018 10:09:49 +0300 Message-Id: <83y3bydkua.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: rms@gnu.org In-reply-to: (message from Richard Stallman on Tue, 18 Sep 2018 23:36:34 -0400) Subject: Re: bug#32733: 26; (dired-x) `Shell Command Guessing' typo References: <8ffb002f-5cb1-40c2-9795-42115e8298fb@default> <878t44pmg9.fsf@gmail.com> <87zhwfm08d.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 32733 Cc: rpluim@gmail.com, 32733@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) > From: Richard Stallman > Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 23:36:34 -0400 > Cc: 32733@debbugs.gnu.org > > > I guess thatʼs possible, but it would make that sentence be very > > different in tone from the surrounding text. > > If the surrounding text uses passive voice, please try rewriting > that text to use active voice. FWIW, I didn't see any passive voice in surrounding text that would make the change in this sentence stand out. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Sep 19 21:51:05 2018 Received: (at 32733) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Sep 2018 01:51:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46198 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g2o7V-0000sz-D1 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 19 Sep 2018 21:51:05 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:60918) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g2o7T-0000sO-VJ for 32733@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 19 Sep 2018 21:51:04 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g2o7J-0006rm-11 for 32733@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 19 Sep 2018 21:50:54 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:48935) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g2o7A-0006hT-SQ; Wed, 19 Sep 2018 21:50:45 -0400 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1g2o7A-0008SM-Li; Wed, 19 Sep 2018 21:50:44 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman To: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <83y3bydkua.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Wed, 19 Sep 2018 10:09:49 +0300) Subject: Re: bug#32733: 26; (dired-x) `Shell Command Guessing' typo References: <8ffb002f-5cb1-40c2-9795-42115e8298fb@default> <878t44pmg9.fsf@gmail.com> <87zhwfm08d.fsf@gmail.com> <83y3bydkua.fsf@gnu.org> Message-Id: Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2018 21:50:44 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 32733 Cc: rpluim@gmail.com, 32733@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > FWIW, I didn't see any passive voice in surrounding text that would > make the change in this sentence stand out. That is good. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (https://gnu.org, https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) From unknown Sat Jun 21 17:34:51 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2018 11:24:04 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator