From unknown Fri Aug 15 02:02:39 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#32591 <32591@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#32591 <32591@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: 26.1; Ido-find-file does not intuitiely support tramp Reply-To: bug#32591 <32591@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2025 09:02:39 +0000 retitle 32591 26.1; Ido-find-file does not intuitiely support tramp reassign 32591 emacs submitter 32591 Joshua Branson severity 32591 minor thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Aug 30 10:19:47 2018 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Aug 2018 14:19:48 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39264 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fvNnW-00012e-V1 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 30 Aug 2018 10:19:47 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:34342) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fvNnU-00012O-6s for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 30 Aug 2018 10:19:45 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fvNnJ-0007sp-Jg for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 30 Aug 2018 10:19:38 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,FREEMAIL_FROM, T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:43997) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fvNnJ-0007se-Cg for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 30 Aug 2018 10:19:33 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:55197) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fvNnE-0003dD-Tj for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Aug 2018 10:19:33 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fvNn4-0007cH-Oe for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Aug 2018 10:19:28 -0400 Received: from out1-smtp.messagingengine.com ([66.111.4.25]:49911) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fvNn4-0007bZ-9P for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Aug 2018 10:19:18 -0400 Received: from compute6.internal (compute6.nyi.internal [10.202.2.46]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 851D221FFE for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2018 10:19:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfrontend1 ([10.202.2.162]) by compute6.internal (MEProxy); Thu, 30 Aug 2018 10:19:17 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=fastmail.com; h= content-type:date:from:message-id:mime-version:subject:to :x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm3; bh=cyNQrwdQpL0MgJWjm b75TeMnanrZ0mRbNO9sp6a+oG4=; b=BM8Q93u//XbudT0DjcRA/hdqVlTjcke0U sZtnoku+cZ1aqC+P8OZ60GH0rb/rTtPUAN/aY7w2JIo9BVXpOEVYnr2GcCDndscE rMvCb2ZV4oP/qs37p4M5MpMZQHa5RxKGyk8zE21YCyQ5RPfFwu1jolWB8RorinBr b1X4abcZdHrBTFLa0i1Kmv8n0A3SFfKMfPMVKwgF+JnKbJY2TMQ9JhK+YGt+mI+w SOEssQgeO+cWp/eZCGwz/g1OEA/u9LnTGpHFfD64dMiy/6zJ57P5ZoR3v/Isb8y0 pWHA/uAhzyka+lB1XAcqumide3vD+mijKBczi7G+PP7vX4kluod/A== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-type:date:from:message-id :mime-version:subject:to:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s= fm3; bh=cyNQrwdQpL0MgJWjmb75TeMnanrZ0mRbNO9sp6a+oG4=; b=BZVWyMX6 Ux3w0VD/FAQwmgLmgH+6nDN6eLReLDZnm3LaoCyLBa0iWeONfocyUNpZW/2vzCBK BBSOAqTRMQwuW1tDKzQG4EpEk0MewZiIU/vAchOnAGVUGtue7PBEuBg4Z1HC2Rsi DRB79QU6D0ebp9BZ/hISakrN32Bq4FQ3yPvggaPdk0g3ctyWK8DE8baGCh0Sau0X zsZ5PhJs0TIhoc8tHDoVtW3Hz7ccPp2M17I8be1ZG6VG648Ao9IgmEemon4zft6c QXdIMIl0h/2iAsA/IEUabKr9/N8C7NtsmvWv9DNmbGtMc2eCPIidLWEe0RNaK9TA Bpi00e3YCMEuJQ== X-ME-Proxy: X-ME-Sender: Received: from dobby (unknown [72.12.220.132]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id A56C8E4695 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2018 10:19:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Branson To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 26.1; Ido-find-file does not intuitiely support tramp Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 10:30:54 -0400 Message-ID: <87mut4q63l.fsf@fastmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.3 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.3 (-----) I'm using Emacs version 26.1. I've noticed that when I try to open a remote file via ssh with tramp and ido-find-file, ido mode doesn't seem to know that I want to use tramp, and instead tries to create a local file. This bug describes two problems: 1) Default Emacs Tramp and Ido mode have non-intuitive ways of searching for a remote file. M-x ido-find-file "Find File: ~//ssh:joshua@localhost#2222" TAB does not prompt me for a password. Instead I just see "[No Match]". 2) Default Emacs Tramp and Ido mode have non-intuitive ways of opening remote files. M-x ido-find-file "Find File: ~//ssh:joshua@localhost#2222:/home/joshua/hello" Sometimes opens a local file instead of opening a remote file. I can't reliably reproduce this behavior though. 3) Ido grays out the initial "~/" if one starts to type out tramp syntax, but un-greys out those characters when it shouldn't. Type the following in ido-find-file "Find File: ~//ssh:joshua@localhost#2222" "~/" is greyed out. Type a : to specify a path and watch the "~/" get un-greyed out. You can probably stop reading this bug report now. The following is just a ramble of how I discovered these problems: I have a virtual machine running at localhost port 2222. I'm not sure where the remote file is, but that's ok, emacs can open remote directories with dired! I'll just browse the remote directory! M-x ido-find-file "Find File: ~//ssh:joshua@localhost#2222" TAB The Initial characters "~/" are greyed out. So Emacs is recognizing that I want to browse a remote file. Cool. I'm expecting that Emacs will prompt me for a password, and then offer me suggestions of remote directories at the remote HOME directory. This doesn't happen. Instead I see this error: [No match] No problem I'll try again. C-g C-g I try a couple of times I get can't get in. I receive a couple of connection refused errors. Ok this is silly. I decide to connect in via a terminal. "ssh ssh://joshua@localhost:2222". This works. So now I'm trying to figure out what Tramp is doing wrong... The input lines initially shows "Find File: ~/" So I start typing via "/" Now I see "Find file: ~//" AND the "~/" characters are grayed out. So far so good. Then I type in the rest until Emacs shows this: "Find File: ~//ssh:joshua@localhost#2222" Again, the "~/" is greyed out, but when I typed a ":" to specify a path to file the "~/" is not greyed out anymore and emacs thinks I'm trying to open a local file. If I keep typing, I'll get this: "Find File: ~//ssh:joshua@localhost#2222:/home/joshua/hello" pressing RET, makes Emacs open a local file. Not what I intended. This happened a few times, but when I tried to reproduce this behavior, Emacs opened the remote file. If I can reproduce this behavior again, I'll try to. So I tried again, "Find File: ~//ssh:joshua@localhost#2222" RET The "~/" is greyed out. So tramp will open the remote file right? Wrong. Instead I get this error: "File not found and directory write protected." I understand, I did not specify a path for tramp, but can't ido tell tramp that to look into the remote HOME by default? Thanks for listening In GNU Emacs 26.1 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.22.30) of 2018-07-05 built on juergen Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.12001000 Recent messages: Opening connection to imap.fastmail.com...done nnimap read 0k from imap.fastmail.com Reading active file via nndraft...done Checking new news...done nnimap read 0k from imap.fastmail.com Mark all unread articles as read? 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b=jdGMJHdBbh7Jk56M9cDjHcAW+qud+k12KJWgqQChevWgnQOnZBSFIu5Lmw5sNCkJa JOaJlvZC7HQZ84bPIgBsAvie6ujTboj2FPzILtct3aK0wg27nSl5M05f1l8wAa7MKT jJYDAcGZ31LynNu1p+SaHvY2247cAz0Fkoda5bdA= Authentication-Results: smtp4o.mail.yandex.net; dkim=pass header.i=@yandex.com From: Colin Baxter To: Joshua Branson Subject: Re: bug#32591: 26.1; Ido-find-file does not intuitiely support tramp References: <87mut4q63l.fsf@fastmail.com> X-Face: -P+89ASh_wrs;AUGm`!l[}/o-lyK}5W.gq\fkJ{#d6Gu,hWrZNz::iMm5PJb} __A96]-LUrl)X=uF=V|\3-\9/sXvBs/H Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 15:26:08 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87mut4q63l.fsf@fastmail.com> (Joshua Branson's message of "Thu, 30 Aug 2018 10:30:54 -0400") Message-ID: <87ftyw53sv.fsf@yandex.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.1 (gnu/linux) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAACwAAAAMCAIAAACWSshgAAAABmJLR0QA/wD/AP+gvaeTAAAA hklEQVQ4je2UwQ3CQAwEh8gR3IGolQ5TAr3w4mIT8wAa8PLM/nc1stc+LAvTRFmPO9db3Q5sYL1j Vo+IIxeJgQBrjXmuR4wTXYNwEDbxP5k7mXW/B6tGEGARWkSgBRBgmdIkMhHcAPm5DqWYa+OsQezF /OlbTAnCcQ3iBTaG9LZH8NQgNngDnag2wOvtnJ4AAAAASUVORK5CYII= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 32591 Cc: , 32591@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) >>>>> Joshua Branson writes: > I'm using Emacs version 26.1. I've noticed that when I try to > open a remote file via ssh with tramp and ido-find-file, ido mode > doesn't seem to know that I want to use tramp, and instead tries > to create a local file. This bug describes two problems: > 1) Default Emacs Tramp and Ido mode have non-intuitive ways of > searching for a remote file. > M-x ido-find-file > "Find File: ~//ssh:joshua@localhost#2222" TAB does not prompt me > for a password. Instead I just see "[No Match]". > 2) Default Emacs Tramp and Ido mode have non-intuitive ways of > opening remote files. > M-x ido-find-file > "Find File: ~//ssh:joshua@localhost#2222:/home/joshua/hello" ---- snip ----- Try with `/ssh:user@host:/path/to/file' not with `~/ssh: etc.' Best wishes, Colin Baxter m43cap@yandex.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- GnuPG fingerprint: 68A8 799C 0230 16E7 BF68 2A27 BBFA 2492 91F5 41C8 --------------------------------------------------------------------- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Aug 30 11:19:24 2018 Received: (at 32591) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Aug 2018 15:19:24 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39307 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fvOjE-0002WE-8O for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 30 Aug 2018 11:19:24 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.15]:36639) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fvOjC-0002Vz-BQ for 32591@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 30 Aug 2018 11:19:22 -0400 Received: from detlef.gmx.de ([212.91.238.173]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx001 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0M5uLh-1fgUMz1S1p-00xrhX; Thu, 30 Aug 2018 17:19:12 +0200 From: Michael Albinus To: Joshua Branson Subject: Re: bug#32591: 26.1; Ido-find-file does not intuitiely support tramp References: <87mut4q63l.fsf@fastmail.com> Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 17:19:11 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87mut4q63l.fsf@fastmail.com> (Joshua Branson's message of "Thu, 30 Aug 2018 10:30:54 -0400") Message-ID: <87d0tzx4pc.fsf@gmx.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:nxCXE/iRtcdPmW2NWsiFHdhT4H6Vrwoc7KKLPxQT6ld+FZEx+jZ aQG5X3xCcCJPV1X06bVxD6Z03DE88u5HNpnoQj9CB5epgiz2D0JJaSy0enzT0diGudwwvTh XwKEgvasvpobULxNSnRrnhaR4+9tFBVw8v5FoBOuboWB0vyThWJ8m6s6I30+/6VkSCbRALD 2wjAbmyRLgqx2N6R4qwUA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:BmXAm1MC798=:Moxx426DL4UjQ+obtxQuOg +aB7R26ZMjaRTivQ2nNUj2M8oijFG43w3VeHfLCZHUbiSoITWWM4GQ9rF/QEm+scy0kysmmEA rTE5By4T8jYZ9R5ZVWLvfkt3zI9bARWq7k+o6M8w6Xk47UC87hgaKjGampkUuRqn/d7tyu8AA SLvQ8Xlqusgf3xUT/RZzpltbIhynGEaFPwO8M+45z6CJq8CD+aqkXlULK13xNEntkH9km1Yr5 9tAGe11ycBx2O08W5Jcqlt0grV0/kmFxJ0N3hFzVfAmACdmro0Y9HDlZbS5e6vI7HlhxVZVZU wlEnN1TtI+3l88xgd4NrPpPnhVJAloyzTrT3ajnUtf9fvN5k4qBUi5HbWgAWdDZDDy04HGIXC iw9ZNz4TBxD/FJLBkJCDJyO+GzIa8ZzbmVSJk9S86LK7kpfV58graSC3nTWV9Jn8Eu4732/F7 pq3qK5JqlYgOHAHvaTKoPNKIGNsfF4jMWHTI865lQ5mveq0Ks0WBKWsEG+nJI/ayg0aNPXJkW bWKlutQt3ccheY1AGtD7tFsbwcs+x+Vt7bOlxN8Z4riOyuqYJUL/YeL9hsto3qj3XiDjkrFnj G1kBMwMaFRHzh28icPmv+1OrOhdpQjiJjoeR4M7HLefzGU9xC3irTnf/h5S3XY2RnN2WtKCle U/6TADLQCTvLY6mTXM+nIXDDmiJQ1lc3QDwGOMzDnoZSVIGpz3eirEuL0VzxJDVGD5lAMlv7T E70o6J1DviXAX6K6F2g4dzpGb54wL4O2iVyOY0+/zJJ12EdWWE+HmpmGn3uRWkwe1YQf0+Mnm aORv9v/ X-Spam-Score: 4.2 (++++) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Joshua Branson writes: Hi Joshua, > 1) Default Emacs Tramp and Ido mode have non-intuitive ways of > searching for a remote file. > > M-x ido-find-file > > "Find File: ~//ssh:joshua@localhost#2222" TAB does not prompt me for a > password. Instead I just see "[No Match]". 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Joshua Branson writes: Hi Joshua, > 1) Default Emacs Tramp and Ido mode have non-intuitive ways of > searching for a remote file. > > M-x ido-find-file > > "Find File: ~//ssh:joshua@localhost#2222" TAB does not prompt me for a > password. Instead I just see "[No Match]". [...] Content analysis details: (3.2 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [212.227.15.15 listed in list.dnswl.org] 2.5 RCVD_IN_SORBS_HTTP RBL: SORBS: sender is open HTTP proxy server [212.91.238.173 listed in dnsbl.sorbs.net] 2.4 RCVD_IN_SORBS_SOCKS RBL: SORBS: sender is open SOCKS proxy server -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (michael.albinus[at]gmx.de) -1.0 MAILING_LIST_MULTI Multiple indicators imply a widely-seen list manager Joshua Branson writes: Hi Joshua, > 1) Default Emacs Tramp and Ido mode have non-intuitive ways of > searching for a remote file. > > M-x ido-find-file > > "Find File: ~//ssh:joshua@localhost#2222" TAB does not prompt me for a > password. Instead I just see "[No Match]". There's no way to know that it is a remote file name. The second colon is missing. I bet, that typing "Find File: ~//ssh:joshua@localhost#2222:" gives you what you want. > 2) Default Emacs Tramp and Ido mode have non-intuitive ways of opening > remote files. > > M-x ido-find-file > > "Find File: ~//ssh:joshua@localhost#2222:/home/joshua/hello" > > Sometimes opens a local file instead of opening a remote file. I can't > reliably reproduce this behavior though. This is more interesting. But I would need a reliable recipe to see the problem. > 3) Ido grays out the initial "~/" if one starts to type out tramp > syntax, but un-greys out those characters when it shouldn't. > > Type the following in ido-find-file > > "Find File: ~//ssh:joshua@localhost#2222" > > "~/" is greyed out. Ido greys out "~/" because of the double slash. It has nothing to do with a remote file name. Again, there is no remote file name, only a string which might be a remote file name when it is complete. > Type a : to specify a path and watch the "~/" get un-greyed out. That seems to be an ido problem. With plain "M-x find-file" I cannot reproduce it. However, even if this grey out does not work as expected, I believe that opening the file (after entering RET) still works as expected. > Thanks for listening Best regards, Michael. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Aug 31 10:38:42 2018 Received: (at 32591) by debbugs.gnu.org; 31 Aug 2018 14:38:42 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40760 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fvkZN-0005Lc-TQ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 31 Aug 2018 10:38:42 -0400 Received: from out1-smtp.messagingengine.com ([66.111.4.25]:34535) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fvkZL-0005LT-RZ for 32591@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 31 Aug 2018 10:38:40 -0400 Received: from compute6.internal (compute6.nyi.internal [10.202.2.46]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 452C022085 for <32591@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 31 Aug 2018 10:38:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfrontend1 ([10.202.2.162]) by compute6.internal (MEProxy); Fri, 31 Aug 2018 10:38:39 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=fastmail.com; h= content-type:date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :references:subject:to:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s= fm3; bh=97NNsujaDhyLeK3tfg7J4ThIB0+Lkekti3iCHc0yet8=; b=qyGXbZmp pixeplkklQbLtga7eVSBy1Sp3R8zCNnRmLe3luSJE/OSx9oqR8fmeJWN2resWi2J LGYTyU7KxEHDyTHyhnOGuo9kwAbDIEi780j3EQcMgg79nMUfVWk7z5aJpM6Z8/g5 PXkW2Hdo5yh3TXH2I5ypDyYPxZsC8qvs/1yjLfVHtpFEtRkC02gWxzk4ga88lznS 4S7MXlB+wwXAstLgbGFLjXz4rJ5yo5lus69cGEUPso36HO3dlR47tftEDNXPFn2b ezfu76ZHQTSZdws4zTxEEBs+2Gzsheg8ZdIV4DcxSotVyWAkj/5ATdhNnpxvJ+vZ VOSX4obTq2q0UQ== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-me-sender :x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm3; bh=97NNsujaDhyLeK3tfg7J4ThIB0+Lk ekti3iCHc0yet8=; b=QCVIgij8EXJW6kUuDeV5zjXCTqSukEAGRlNuA3FiiSIKD FFNnpynutxU/+ZoVe/b6GMdMkbLFye6CYF+qGpGRbDDqhPm4lCU+NO0u4R9KCAub ptQU6EGm9R7aOxeynToaXJ61cVNuUkTRCGzNPBB4/4XVfuQ79WrnrqN44jPpb+zl BpVx7HEmgpjKr17TA36Nj6wYRW7FVn+Jpb5FFA9VuImL3VveunK0D631/IyK2GwD mpv6UAP7OoSADDNq6wBqgphiXhqgl6LzxAyS4F8WmNgGj/3h30Y+Lb34xdLBeRM6 ZA4b24/yCy/4D14IooOpgsu09IRb6/K+fYk8F9rBQ== X-ME-Proxy: X-ME-Sender: Received: from dobby (unknown [72.12.220.132]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id BBA3DE46B5 for <32591@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 31 Aug 2018 10:38:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Branson To: 32591@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#32591: 26.1; Ido-find-file does not intuitiely support tramp References: <87mut4q63l.fsf@fastmail.com> <87ftyw53sv.fsf@yandex.com> Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2018 10:50:21 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87ftyw53sv.fsf@yandex.com> (Colin Baxter's message of "Thu, 30 Aug 2018 15:26:08 +0100") Message-ID: <877ek64mky.fsf@fastmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 32591 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Colin Baxter writes: >>>>>> Joshua Branson writes: > > > Try with `/ssh:user@host:/path/to/file' not with `~/ssh: etc.' Thanks for the tip, and that would certainly help, but it's slightly annoying to have to type out the file name, then realize that it the filename starts with "~/". To fix it then, I have to type C-a C-d C-e I don't want to have to do this everytime I open a remote file. I think Emacs should be start enough to realize that I'm trying to open a remote file. > > Best wishes, > > Colin Baxter > m43cap@yandex.com > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > GnuPG fingerprint: 68A8 799C 0230 16E7 BF68 2A27 BBFA 2492 91F5 41C8 > --------------------------------------------------------------------- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Aug 12 09:25:50 2021 Received: (at 32591) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Aug 2021 13:25:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37797 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mEAiQ-0003Gb-8p for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Aug 2021 09:25:50 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:40782) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mEAiI-0003GF-N3 for 32591@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Aug 2021 09:25:43 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=YQTglnYcqRKohgVsN2INWc3EaPhQ/GN9SSRlDVxD2ns=; b=k49LG/9FIJoVxFOtnJFAx0DVkJ 4zZEW8Bkxglu1fA3D/RtUEWwvaio5CXJY4XoeqHhEibNEaw7VwyRpvNXiJ8nVNHwnD5bTgRj4Kc3k 0IabqUlhn/nuYNRLdrGrbZk5sMhoGkC2vjtk/jYkuJ76ayIEXwnfwsWVNRxygNGzmCv4=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=elva) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mEAi7-0006Al-Mt; Thu, 12 Aug 2021 15:25:32 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Michael Albinus Subject: Re: bug#32591: 26.1; Ido-find-file does not intuitiely support tramp References: <87mut4q63l.fsf@fastmail.com> <87d0tzx4pc.fsf@gmx.de> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2021 15:25:26 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87d0tzx4pc.fsf@gmx.de> (Michael Albinus's message of "Thu, 30 Aug 2018 17:19:11 +0200") Message-ID: <87im0alrqx.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-=-=" X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Michael Albinus writes: > Ido greys out "~/" because of the double slash. It has nothing to do with > a remote file name. Again, there is no remote file name, only a string > which might be a remote file name when it is comp [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 32591 Cc: 32591@debbugs.gnu.org, Joshua Branson X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Michael Albinus writes: > Ido greys out "~/" because of the double slash. It has nothing to do with > a remote file name. Again, there is no remote file name, only a string > which might be a remote file name when it is complete. > >> Type a : to specify a path and watch the "~/" get un-greyed out. > > That seems to be an ido problem. With plain "M-x find-file" I cannot > reproduce it. > > However, even if this grey out does not work as expected, I believe that > opening the file (after entering RET) still works as expected. Let's see... 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and hitting RET does indeed give me that. To get the ~/.emacs on the local machine, I have to delete everything in the minibuffer and type ~/.emacs. I've been tripped up by this before, because I'm so used to just typing `C-x C-f ~/.emacs RET' without even looking (to get to my local .emacs file). But I think the current behaviour is the intended one, really -- it's consistent, powerful and makes sense. So I'm closing this bug report -- I think this is working as intended. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no --=-=-=-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Aug 12 09:25:54 2021 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Aug 2021 13:25:54 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37799 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mEAiU-0003Go-NF for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Aug 2021 09:25:54 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:40798) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mEAiN-0003GN-MU for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Aug 2021 09:25:47 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Subject:From:To:Message-Id:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Cc: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=OX7dzcYtn4YpQ4F86+0qDtpuMDxz/Xb5L/WA9+c2t54=; b=bC2CAFwjIvrdDyFmFld+nL/UjT GoaqGv6wNV9huzFtwMTUMdc5t5DZsdUaq6Gtm+h3pAJri5ONGEOZ8tq/rnScoxq5p0jTm9qTLjr27 sxnX1X9DZBfbRaD1GmhdEdeZViSZ4jU1/Px08vq99P5JtjOd2LmNqlp2REWoTKVZjIb8=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=elva) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mEAiF-0006B1-TG for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Aug 2021 15:25:37 +0200 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2021 15:25:35 +0200 Message-Id: <87h7fulrqo.fsf@gnus.org> To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #32591 X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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I think I'd better go back to my DESK and toy with a few common MISAPPREHENSIONS... Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2021 16:15:59 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87im0alrqx.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Thu, 12 Aug 2021 15:25:26 +0200") Message-ID: <87r1ey92ao.fsf@igel.home> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 32591 Cc: 32591@debbugs.gnu.org, Michael Albinus , Joshua Branson X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-) On Aug 12 2021, Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote: > To get the ~/.emacs on the local machine, I have to delete everything in > the minibuffer and type ~/.emacs. Or enter a slash before the tilde. Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org GPG Key fingerprint = 7578 EB47 D4E5 4D69 2510 2552 DF73 E780 A9DA AEC1 "And now for something completely different." From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Aug 12 10:27:32 2021 Received: (at 32591) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Aug 2021 14:27:32 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39583 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mEBgC-0005Wl-7A for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Aug 2021 10:27:32 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.21]:57143) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mEBg8-0005WR-B3 for 32591@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Aug 2021 10:27:30 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1628778438; bh=t8MTOaUf8GuSjfgK/bFx5OJ4z0h6gw585lfH8xXuhzA=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To; b=NJcX5lc9SEF4sg2f+s5ws5Ue3BQymVamm+yVax7zbtymC/QL8yD3FpWC9ZY4QNaEX Gv0I1oQVOQH0gwIbtYMbBtkCVWJj4zDlsCH9yO5/KYjNNqqIcJDBNA41ZHLw+cRGAj sbZ+NnzYnkkdHAolgeByzU7Ovpto1s/c62N2/kQw= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from gandalf.gmx.de ([213.220.159.239]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx104 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MoO24-1mu61637NY-00op6q; Thu, 12 Aug 2021 16:27:18 +0200 From: Michael Albinus To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#32591: 26.1; Ido-find-file does not intuitiely support tramp References: <87mut4q63l.fsf@fastmail.com> <87d0tzx4pc.fsf@gmx.de> <87im0alrqx.fsf@gnus.org> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2021 16:27:02 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87im0alrqx.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Thu, 12 Aug 2021 15:25:26 +0200") Message-ID: <87eeayg2mh.fsf@gmx.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:ugFCvru/pQy7cQdIlyUPKK/aO93yoyo+IJt5gWmrSMw1UEwKnof 2odVNoL7z3q0bINzemJ9r2YQrNsqt5asRvh+iMPDYO85CB+zHyO15qBS9VPoCACXjIpsSoy taI0lPRV5OlbfMA03HvKnKqIhOVe7g0k8ndh34yqAkeeB7ZSgbZ+m2z2C41dKEsSPVyV7zq zuP/w0AOpxSOE5pItdcaQ== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:8c6zSkOzXMg=:s7CMR62klsIs/925UXN7B+ I1iDt8J9Na29Z4vvs60XrvQN3+g+0Jw23BdyEgHRabZD6+ndcSu6GX6VWbKj4u8NqxtFTfBfV XBqlFnIG28YScX4jvTzHDzrCd/IXmopDyc+IAv2siGTZ34xAu/LR77Hvx+Z8UH0MwR6caMFUM jqk1uyHiYFhGT+d5SsFpIbsmGDQd4KJxBhaVoKx3+Ej7aRf9r0El/CeaPCR7EFaYrIe+M76sT KAgqretfzn4Xe7/nMD2+dFoMjW3WCNCw44ZZyUrb9LZbH5fS80i4kVn1iEEDxKIxci5YL3GEY Oxrll+XWV3OwJIeoO1JQZrIoNjkkJX3v+QvQ6VGwLoqjPwntX9Wh/0eBX2xNQoX1439+W5xAR 9EFqQ1zKTEyx45yUJ6HbVv8Bs2GwRm3CG69A2OvSNt+jo+9aJXv9Ycdozxl8ShZ5Lc4f6AL3d 3ZXZAIqN0DwEi1kFuTws4hs9o5WL2fiVay/rV1Ev5Sq2s4Dqb7NtL8RGO2fbiGgY3pWP4lqUz 1J2KrLoDkJaZG7G4rPqSsQpd+1IwI/Ygo8vZTVe0gm2fNGqLUfl4SehNxRRY7t50hWY4DUoJg krTQ3E+xZvldkzSCkx+YP82IcqWONjV+9AOXYy8u9VZaphMyoHaRBngS277NYXA8ZTJ9nYcGA 0fOi8jvXNgPJm8MBMyL9GRxlLmuG340dHGHljPIbhZiAsevlq8I3mj9XvSOcc89W+maoMqoGZ Oz3SsoU5thTO0xaTNbDAIhu2CeCTysVO+3qILWgh4IB1mw5oiGJ0JiWoZsEZt0URmnHf9gtFe J80zZ8iAuLxYvRhlqA9QLCAdi6wWTI55xXNrZd284XJFAT6WwVqh71TW6Zlfb9TpP6nfcaiDN POc/DT1sRo4nRzmvHJgiFlrZM5eqW2ScmI3UsXNZ3P6Z+6HOmRj4yaCaMH7ypeKpvV4t+q5k4 2hGHn0dg8Ozlme0u1czBjwrIcy0xH/kmoJWgl2azYWMn6GNrBgduRQdB0sUlPmxGCaIpKI6ay O/v0pLbGQGh+yihhO9Zdb4SXrZHQ5WmQA22F6KTdaBZeJyPpM7yN/JBBegyPVzNS5oD8Sai03 RzVtjin6NYueR83ECXKminrqoYj5QOMSPdFdYLSLXtyisht1wPHkFc0vw== X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 32591 Cc: 32591@debbugs.gnu.org, Joshua Branson X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > So the greyed-out parts here seem to say that we're going to get > ~/.emacs on the remote host... and hitting RET does indeed give me > that. > > To get the ~/.emacs on the local machine, I have to delete everything in > the minibuffer and type ~/.emacs. No. Three slashes grey out everything. > I've been tripped up by this before, because I'm so used to just typing > `C-x C-f ~/.emacs RET' without even looking (to get to my local .emacs > file). But I think the current behaviour is the intended one, really -- > it's consistent, powerful and makes sense. My memory muscle starts *always* to type three slashes, before I type a local file name. When your muscle is trained, it is easy to type `C-x C-f ///~/.emacs RET', even w/o thinking about. Whether you use ido, or not. Best regards, Michael. From unknown Fri Aug 15 02:02:39 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2021 11:24:08 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator