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Remove "joke" from drag events documentation

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From: Chris Shea <cmshea <at> gmail.com>
To: m43cap <at> yandex.com
Cc: mbork <at> mbork.pl, 32578 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#32578: Remove "joke" from drag events documentation
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 09:51:17 -0400

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On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 3:50 AM Colin Baxter <m43cap <at> yandex.com> wrote:

> >>>>> Marcin Borkowski <mbork <at> mbork.pl> writes:
>
>     > On 2018-08-29, at 19:29, Chris Shea <cmshea <at> gmail.com> wrote:
>
>     >> Hello,
>     >>
>     >> This patch removes an unnecessary and unwelcoming joke from the
>     >> drag events documentation. Documentation should be informative
>     >> and inclusive.
>
>     > I'm a bit on the fence about this.  On the one hand, I remember
>     > seeing the joke some time ago and finding it hilarious.  On the
>     > other hand, I remember feeling good about removing other jokes
>     > from Emacs sources, which were _really_ offensive.  This one seems
>     > to be far, far from offensive anyway, and if anyone feels offended
>     > by this, they probably well deserve it.  Disclosure: I know (and
>     > often tell myself) jokes about groups of people _I_ belong to
>     > which are probably much more "offensive" than this one (though
>     > obviously I may be biased).  I can provide a sample on request.
>
>     > I don't see how the relevant portion can be seen as not
>     > informative.
>
>     > BTW, I am now coauthoring a book on pretty advanced mathematics
>     > (nonlinear analysis), and we try to put quite a lot of jokes into
>     > it.  Well-placed jokes do not make a book/documentation less
>     > informative, but more pleasant to read.  (Unfortunately, there is
>     > nothing about "drag events" in the book.)
>
>     > If I were to made a decision, I would probably (a bit reluctantly,
>     > but still) leave it, so that Emacs does not succumb to the idiocy
>     > called "political correctness".
>
>     > Best,
>
>     > -- Marcin Borkowski http://mbork.pl
>
> I agree with Marcin's comments and would add that a joke is hardly a
> bug. Perhaps the original poster should place the suggestion elsewhere,
> maybe emacs.devel?
>
> Best wishes
>

To Marcin's points, I didn't bring up offensiveness, and what kinds of
jokes you tell among your friends doesn't seem relevant. Would your
reasoning be the same if the diff was the other way? Would you be arguing
to add this joke in because you deem it inoffensive? That it adds
information to the documentation? That the documentation for a text editor
is the appropriate place to make the effort to add a joke (a joke which
operates merely on the level of "this one word looks like this other word")
as a bulwark against "political correctness"?

To Colin, I sent this patch to bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org because I read the
Sending-Patches entry of the Emacs manual as saying that all patches should
be sent to that address. I may follow up with emacs-devel later.

Yours,

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