From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Aug 20 11:42:35 2018 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Aug 2018 15:42:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55759 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1frmKA-0003wC-W7 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 20 Aug 2018 11:42:35 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:56271) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1frmK8-0003vw-W1 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 20 Aug 2018 11:42:33 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1frmK2-0003CR-NX for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 20 Aug 2018 11:42:27 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40,T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:49334) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1frmK2-0003CJ-JW for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 20 Aug 2018 11:42:26 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:48993) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1frmK1-0006KM-BZ for guix-patches@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Aug 2018 11:42:26 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1frmK0-0003Ay-Cm for guix-patches@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Aug 2018 11:42:25 -0400 Received: from tobias.gr ([2001:470:cc92::1]:58014) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1frmK0-00038q-0p for guix-patches@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Aug 2018 11:42:24 -0400 Received: by tobias.gr (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id a58682a1 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2018 15:42:20 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed; d=tobias.gr; h=from:to :subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; s=2018; i=me@tobias.gr; bh=hmnbT7Xb3 KWqQkC17q+O34D8qyw4FL/GY/yp/JK7kz0=; b=kfBVsvnkBGU2UCjAHl8n2b8Pr O0Qu2RkEMTsn98U9r0uPLVaBZAQK0DLSu1EbTZ12L6bCbhgCrceOpy1UyuwVsR2g PCaFsOJukUWh8idNWkH2N1WgUSVVxk41RwqkKYm5/6biaBoIN8Y901Y2phs7anRy 9OcfoRSISeLPuqIUNzwN3yTT7eZaVURVZgC5ZF7NQ5E8Ojk4ry/cOREiKjsfTowT 6zi8aABxGesBWTbR4ZksSjZF0O9jzJJD0SMrxF4JVH9pCW5XLvT3nNqCX1BJEl1r ceIXlk5SUPjI8+mHsoLyLNfB02xUSuGCgPqYcGjYflwbY2e9R2wxW/IJ6UWww== Received: by submission.tobias.gr (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 503672bf (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256:NO) for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2018 15:42:18 +0000 (UTC) From: Tobias Geerinckx-Rice To: guix-patches@gnu.org Subject: [PATCH] gnu: obnam: Add deprecation warning. Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 17:42:34 +0200 Message-Id: <20180820154234.29563-1-me@tobias.gr> X-Mailer: git-send-email 2.18.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.1 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.1 (-----) * gnu/packages/backup.scm (obnam)[synopsis, description]: Note its retirement. --- Guix! A bit silly since the package fails to build anyway[0]. I'm not capable nor willing to fix it. Debian's (actually, upstream's) ‘solution’ was simply to remove the package[0]. I'd rather follow their example if nobody steps up to fix it, but Leo[1] made a good point about removing backup tools that may be someone's only link to the past. An alternative is to add a prominent deprecation warning to our obnam package. Something like this. There's no clear successor or alternative to use with DEPRECATED-PACKAGE. Let me know if and what you think, T G-R [0]: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=877159 [1]: https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=32303#13 gnu/packages/backup.scm | 15 +++++++++------ 1 file changed, 9 insertions(+), 6 deletions(-) diff --git a/gnu/packages/backup.scm b/gnu/packages/backup.scm index 754dfa1a4..978505914 100644 --- a/gnu/packages/backup.scm +++ b/gnu/packages/backup.scm @@ -749,12 +749,15 @@ NTFS volumes using @code{ntfs-3g}, preserving NTFS-specific attributes.") ("python2-pep8" ,python2-pep8) ("python2-pylint" ,python2-pylint))) (home-page "https://obnam.org/") - (synopsis "Easy and secure backup program") - (description "Obnam is an easy, secure backup program. Features -include snapshot backups, data de-duplication and encrypted backups -using GnuPG. Backups can be stored on local hard disks, or online via -the SSH SFTP protocol. The backup server, if used, does not require -any special software, on top of SSH.") + (synopsis "Retired backup program") + (description + "Warning: @uref{https://blog.liw.fi/posts/2017/08/13/retiring_obnam/, +the Obnam project is retired}. You should use another backup solution instead. + +Obnam was an easy, secure backup program. Features included snapshot backups, +data de-duplication and encrypted backups using GnuPG. Backups can be stored on +local hard disks, or online via the SSH SFTP protocol. The backup server, if +used, does not require any special software, on top of SSH.") (license license:gpl3+))) (define-public dirvish -- 2.18.0 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Aug 23 10:55:38 2018 Received: (at 32482) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Aug 2018 14:55:38 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58983 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fsr1N-0006Rh-1s for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 23 Aug 2018 10:55:38 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:56599) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fsr1L-0006RT-TV for 32482@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 23 Aug 2018 10:55:36 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fsr1F-0002rv-Sh for 32482@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 23 Aug 2018 10:55:30 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:35647) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fsr1B-0002h4-4Y; Thu, 23 Aug 2018 10:55:25 -0400 Received: from [193.50.110.186] (port=39736 helo=ribbon) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1fsr1A-0001Po-Rh; Thu, 23 Aug 2018 10:55:25 -0400 From: ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic =?utf-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?=) To: Tobias Geerinckx-Rice Subject: Re: [bug#32482] [PATCH] gnu: obnam: Add deprecation warning. References: <20180820154234.29563-1-me@tobias.gr> X-URL: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ X-Revolutionary-Date: 6 Fructidor an 226 de la =?utf-8?Q?R=C3=A9volution?= X-PGP-Key-ID: 0x090B11993D9AEBB5 X-PGP-Key: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ludovic.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: 3CE4 6455 8A84 FDC6 9DB4 0CFB 090B 1199 3D9A EBB5 X-OS: x86_64-pc-linux-gnu Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 16:55:23 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20180820154234.29563-1-me@tobias.gr> (Tobias Geerinckx-Rice's message of "Mon, 20 Aug 2018 17:42:34 +0200") Message-ID: <876001nndw.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 32482 Cc: 32482@debbugs.gnu.org, Leo Famulari X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) Hi! (+Cc: Leo.) Tobias Geerinckx-Rice skribis: > * gnu/packages/backup.scm (obnam)[synopsis, description]: Note its > retirement. > --- > > Guix! > > A bit silly since the package fails to build anyway[0]. I'm not capable n= or willing to fix it. Debian's (actually, upstream's) =E2=80=98solution=E2= =80=99 was simply to remove the package[0]. > > I'd rather follow their example if nobody steps up to fix it, but Leo[1] = made a good point about removing backup tools that may be someone's only li= nk to the past. The patch LGTM! > An alternative is to add a prominent deprecation warning to our obnam pac= kage. Something like this. There's no clear successor or alternative to use= with DEPRECATED-PACKAGE. If this sort of problem occurs frequently enough, we could add a special =E2=80=9Cobsolete=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9Cinsecure=E2=80=9D package property a= nd have the UI print a warning when attempting to install such a package. Thanks, Ludo=E2=80=99. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Aug 29 17:39:01 2018 Received: (at 32482) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Aug 2018 21:39:01 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37582 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fv8B3-00065y-5w for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 29 Aug 2018 17:39:01 -0400 Received: from out1-smtp.messagingengine.com ([66.111.4.25]:39969) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fv8B1-00065q-1i for 32482@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 29 Aug 2018 17:38:59 -0400 Received: from compute4.internal (compute4.nyi.internal [10.202.2.44]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF42E21949; Wed, 29 Aug 2018 17:38:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfrontend1 ([10.202.2.162]) by compute4.internal (MEProxy); Wed, 29 Aug 2018 17:38:58 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=famulari.name; h=cc:content-type:date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :references:subject:to:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s= mesmtp; bh=5XzyRYg8RHr/UmgLUwIU+auJpKYy78KanFzbMOZ0gyU=; b=HceFs jfs6fQq9hf2U6GBajvuLI2TEa9yz+BoQsUeBfbpRhGguEFzuVv+bYd6JeJoaMjnC wwo5HvdpFL013CPL4zFB//Qwh81olhIaA0ky+j5+vLO/4xwhPFgiShpdRF9/X72P w0iDakTnxJ4PtmOZgmSH2MNltzT6ZZ5BDS5hS0= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-me-sender :x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm3; bh=5XzyRYg8RHr/UmgLUwIU+auJpKYy7 8KanFzbMOZ0gyU=; b=hPs/1Ml95CZuNgkAoh0jv0HjkfjeK4w2pzksoerAhlikW 3XM6bLOvtz0JSrRoMpSidAIEkbda9CqbuXdFjIhond9MyM3U8tnbRNrbkbi3MLXy XTXMbDY41GM8acsnoOmCIv8UmnqlwKAvyAJELwIQ7xjDUrDTLqJthYER6w2lgGqC FAqNLzXXOgLbWOxlJ76xcz33NIgkz8auJ+eoD2mNgMr+PVaMWmr/Ikp0aFk/czjh inpOWsCRnbc/NX+7QgBeiupi8sd/r0bvds3rbqbahPBbUk34Z9utX2duQ+OZ4AtP RKSCcTa3wkOKTNZLc0mW8tlyl/SXnchXFmzab/IFw== X-ME-Proxy: X-ME-Sender: Received: from localhost (c-76-124-202-137.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [76.124.202.137]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id A3819E421C; Wed, 29 Aug 2018 17:38:57 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2018 17:38:56 -0400 From: Leo Famulari To: Ludovic =?iso-8859-1?Q?Court=E8s?= Subject: Re: [bug#32482] [PATCH] gnu: obnam: Add deprecation warning. Message-ID: <20180829213856.GC31633@jasmine.lan> References: <20180820154234.29563-1-me@tobias.gr> <876001nndw.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="p4qYPpj5QlsIQJ0K" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <876001nndw.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 32482 Cc: 32482@debbugs.gnu.org, Tobias Geerinckx-Rice X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) --p4qYPpj5QlsIQJ0K Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 04:55:23PM +0200, Ludovic Court=C3=A8s wrote: > Hi! >=20 > (+Cc: Leo.) >=20 > Tobias Geerinckx-Rice skribis: >=20 > > * gnu/packages/backup.scm (obnam)[synopsis, description]: Note its > > retirement. > > --- > > > > Guix! > > > > A bit silly since the package fails to build anyway[0]. I'm not capable= nor willing to fix it. Debian's (actually, upstream's) =E2=80=98solution= =E2=80=99 was simply to remove the package[0]. > > > > I'd rather follow their example if nobody steps up to fix it, but Leo[1= ] made a good point about removing backup tools that may be someone's only = link to the past. >=20 > The patch LGTM! +1=20 > > An alternative is to add a prominent deprecation warning to our obnam p= ackage. Something like this. There's no clear successor or alternative to u= se with DEPRECATED-PACKAGE. >=20 > If this sort of problem occurs frequently enough, we could add a special > =E2=80=9Cobsolete=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9Cinsecure=E2=80=9D package property= and have the UI print a > warning when attempting to install such a package. Yes, it could be helpful. 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Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 21:17:49 +0200 Message-ID: <87va7bn8rm.fsf@tobias.gr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 32482-done X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Tobias Geerinckx-Rice wrote: > * gnu/packages/backup.scm (obnam)[synopsis, description]: Note > its > retirement. Pushed as a93de1ae9efbed3270967eda59b1dd1078c0213b. Kind regards, T G-R From unknown Wed Sep 10 01:58:19 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. 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