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X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -3.5 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.5 (----) [I reported this on the bugs@gnus.org list on June 14, but from looking at the nntp://news.gnus.org/gnus.gnus-bug group, it has received no reply, while other bugs reported apparently via report-emacs-bug have been noticed, so I'm reporting it that way now.] Hi, For a long time I have wanted to stop Gnus from asking me how many messages to select when I read a newsgroup, e.g. when I'm reading gmane.emacs.orgmode, there are over 11000 unread messages, and having to always type in a number when I want to read recent postings is tiresome. A long time ago I tried to figure it out, but gave up. Today I tried again. First, I discovered gnus-parameter-large-newsgroup-initial-alist and tried adding a regexp of ".*" with a number, but it had no effect. Then, reading through source code, I discovered gnus-group-customize, and how it apparently has its own customization interface. So I called that function with point on that newsgroup, clicked the checkbox, set it to a number, and clicked done. But it also had no effect. Then I used edebug to follow the execution of gnus-articles-to-read. Finally I found what seems to be a bug, where the value of the "default" variable is set: #+BEGIN_SRC elisp (default (if only-read-p (or initial gnus-large-newsgroup) number)) #+END_SRC only-read-p is set to nil because 1) read-all is not set, and 2) there *are* unread articles (as there almost always are). So "default" is set to "number", which is the number of articles in the newsgroup. Therefore, unless the user is intentionally showing all articles, or there are no unread articles in the group, the setting in gnus-parameter-large-newsgroup-initial-alist is ignored, and initial prompt value is the number of total articles in the group (or the number of unread articles, I'm not sure which). Changing that code to: #+BEGIN_SRC elisp (default (or initial gnus-large-newsgroup number) #+END_SRC seems to fix the problem. I'm not sure if "number" should be included. I guess this is a bug, since the user's setting is ignored any time there are unread articles and the user isn't loading all of them, but it seems strange that no one has noticed until now... Thanks. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jul 12 04:29:23 2018 Received: (at 32081) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Jul 2018 08:29:23 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56287 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fdWyZ-0007PE-Kg for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Jul 2018 04:29:23 -0400 Received: from common.maple.relay.mailchannels.net ([23.83.214.38]:14848) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fdWyV-0007Oy-DY for 32081@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Jul 2018 04:29:20 -0400 X-Sender-Id: tih5qno0ow|x-authuser|yamaoka@hampton.hostforweb.net Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D17A75C2EE5; Thu, 12 Jul 2018 08:29:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hampton.hostforweb.net (unknown [100.96.28.195]) (Authenticated sender: tih5qno0ow) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 42D3B5C2A61; Thu, 12 Jul 2018 08:29:17 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: tih5qno0ow|x-authuser|yamaoka@hampton.hostforweb.net Received: from hampton.hostforweb.net (hampton.hostforweb.net [172.245.115.217]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.16.1); Thu, 12 Jul 2018 08:29:17 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: tih5qno0ow|x-authuser|yamaoka@hampton.hostforweb.net X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: tih5qno0ow X-Company-Scare: 52f20f6f6d177600_1531384157660_3359585139 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1531384157660:347212500 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1531384157660 Received: from s70.gtokyofl21.vectant.ne.jp ([202.215.75.70]:60000 helo=localhost) by hampton.hostforweb.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89_1) (envelope-from ) id 1fdWyQ-007pH2-Ax; Thu, 12 Jul 2018 03:29:15 -0500 Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2018 17:29:11 +0900 Message-ID: From: Katsumi Yamaoka To: Adam Porter Subject: Re: bug#32081: 26.1; gnus-parameter-large-newsgroup-initial-alist ignored? References: Organization: Emacsen advocacy group X-Face: #kKnN,xUnmKia.'[pp`; Omh}odZK)?7wQSl"4o04=EixTF+V[""w~iNbM9ZL+.b*_CxUmFk B#Fu[*?MZZH@IkN:!"\w%I_zt>[$nm7nQosZ<3eu; B:$Q_:p!',P.c0-_Cy[dz4oIpw0ESA^D*1Lw= L&i*6&( User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (x86_64-unknown-cygwin) Cancel-Lock: sha1:7Vq57JJKyj4VHXjWlBsm2eJfntA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-OutGoing-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.2 X-AuthUser: yamaoka@hampton.hostforweb.net X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 32081 Cc: 32081@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On Sat, 07 Jul 2018 06:56:03 -0500, Adam Porter wrote: > First, I discovered gnus-parameter-large-newsgroup-initial-alist and > tried adding a regexp of ".*" with a number, but it had no effect. I guess this feature was designed to work only when the non-number prefix argument (i.e., C-u) is given to gnus-group-read-group or gnus-group-select-group. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jun 22 09:36:55 2019 Received: (at 32081) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Jun 2019 13:36:55 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51279 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hegCM-0002td-Pd for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 22 Jun 2019 09:36:54 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]:40358) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hegCL-0002tV-0c for 32081@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 22 Jun 2019 09:36:53 -0400 Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=stories) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hegCF-0007aE-Ml; Sat, 22 Jun 2019 15:36:50 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Katsumi Yamaoka Subject: Re: bug#32081: 26.1; gnus-parameter-large-newsgroup-initial-alist ignored? References: Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2019 15:36:47 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Katsumi Yamaoka's message of "Thu, 12 Jul 2018 17:29:11 +0900") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Katsumi Yamaoka writes: > On Sat, 07 Jul 2018 06:56:03 -0500, Adam Porter wrote: >> First, I discovered gnus-parameter-large-newsgroup-initial-alist and >> tried adding a regexp of ".*" with a number, but it had no effect. > [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 32081 Cc: Adam Porter , 32081@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Katsumi Yamaoka writes: > On Sat, 07 Jul 2018 06:56:03 -0500, Adam Porter wrote: >> First, I discovered gnus-parameter-large-newsgroup-initial-alist and >> tried adding a regexp of ".*" with a number, but it had no effect. > > I guess this feature was designed to work only when the non-number > prefix argument (i.e., C-u) is given to gnus-group-read-group or > gnus-group-select-group. Yes, I think so to, so this seems like a bug. And if the user doesn't want prompting at all, there's always gnus-large-newsgroup... -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jun 22 09:36:59 2019 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Jun 2019 13:36:59 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51282 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hegCR-0002tv-1s for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 22 Jun 2019 09:36:59 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]:40374) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hegCP-0002tn-EZ for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 22 Jun 2019 09:36:57 -0400 Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=stories) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hegCM-0007aY-Un for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 22 Jun 2019 15:36:56 +0200 Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2019 15:36:53 +0200 Message-Id: To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #32081 X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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