From unknown Sat Aug 16 18:31:37 2025 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#3199: 23.0.92; doc string of frame-list Reply-To: "Drew Adams" , 3199@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 17:00:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: report 3199 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B.124136963325333 (code B ref -1); Sun, 03 May 2009 17:00:03 +0000 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 3 May 2009 16:53:53 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=4.0 tests=FOURLA autolearn=no version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n43Grn3X025327 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 09:53:51 -0700 Received: from mx10.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]:44106) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1M0ewn-0008U8-CD for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Sun, 03 May 2009 12:53:49 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1M0ewm-0000U1-1C for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Sun, 03 May 2009 12:53:49 -0400 Received: from acsinet12.oracle.com ([141.146.126.234]:61664) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1M0ewl-0000TX-LS for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Sun, 03 May 2009 12:53:47 -0400 Received: from rgminet15.oracle.com (rcsinet15.oracle.com [148.87.113.117]) by acsinet12.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id n43GrYiZ003193 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 16:53:35 GMT Received: from abhmt002.oracle.com (abhmt002.oracle.com [141.146.116.11]) by rgminet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id n43GrdD8012153 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 16:53:39 GMT Received: from dradamslap1 (/141.144.88.104) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sun, 03 May 2009 09:53:37 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" To: Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 09:53:45 -0700 Message-ID: <001201c9cc0f$b91fbb10$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcnMD7iMjS9rLMJQQtmlGcDYTykRrg== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Source-IP: abhmt002.oracle.com [141.146.116.11] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A010208.49FDCC12.011C:SCFSTAT3317510,ss=1,fgs=0 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) Doc string: "Return a list of all frames." That's incorrect/incomplete. The Elisp manual says this, which is apparently correct: The function `frame-list' returns a list of all the frames that have not been deleted. It is analogous to `buffer-list' for buffers, and includes frames on all terminals. The list that you get is newly created, so modifying the list doesn't have any effect on the internals of Emacs. The doc string too should say that it is all live frames. And the manual should use the term "live" frame, since that is the term used by Emacs (e.g. frame-live-p): "returns a list of all live frames, that is, the frames that have not been deleted." Question: How to get a list of all frames, including dead frames? In GNU Emacs 23.0.92.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2009-03-30 on SOFT-MJASON Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 configured using `configure --with-gcc (3.4)' From unknown Sat Aug 16 18:31:37 2025 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#3199: 23.0.92; doc string of frame-list Reply-To: Stefan Monnier , 3199@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 01:05:05 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 3199 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B.12413986115560 (code B ref -1); Mon, 04 May 2009 01:05:05 +0000 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 4 May 2009 00:56:51 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=4.0 tests=HAS_BUG_NUMBER,XIRONPORT autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n440ujaB005549 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 17:56:47 -0700 Received: from mail.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]:36116 helo=mx10.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1M0mU8-0005jo-NU for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Sun, 03 May 2009 20:56:44 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1M0mU7-0003Og-Fw for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Sun, 03 May 2009 20:56:44 -0400 Received: from ironport2-out.pppoe.ca ([206.248.154.182]:20939 helo=ironport2-out.teksavvy.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1M0mU7-0003OY-8I for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Sun, 03 May 2009 20:56:43 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AsYFAMPZ/UnO+IYe/2dsb2JhbACBT8lxg30FhUc X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.40,288,1238990400"; d="scan'208";a="37936847" Received: from 206-248-134-30.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO ceviche.home) ([206.248.134.30]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP; 03 May 2009 20:56:42 -0400 Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id F166AB526D; Sun, 3 May 2009 20:56:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier To: Drew Adams Cc: 3199@debbugs.gnu.org, Message-ID: References: <001201c9cc0f$b91fbb10$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 20:56:41 -0400 In-Reply-To: <001201c9cc0f$b91fbb10$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> (Drew Adams's message of "Sun, 3 May 2009 09:53:45 -0700") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.93 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. > Question: How to get a list of all frames, including dead frames? There's no way provided to do that, just like there's no way to get the list of all cons cells. You can use an after-make-frame-function to register all the frames ever created into a list. Stefan From unknown Sat Aug 16 18:31:37 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (Emacs bug Tracking System) To: "Drew Adams" Subject: bug#3199 closed by Stefan Monnier (Re: bug#3199: 23.0.92; doc string of frame-list) Message-ID: References: <001201c9cc0f$b91fbb10$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> X-Emacs-PR-Message: they-closed 3199 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs Reply-To: 3199@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 19:50:06 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1241466606-14855-1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1241466606-14855-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" This is an automatic notification regarding your bug report which was filed against the emacs package: #3199: 23.0.92; doc string of frame-list It has been closed by Stefan Monnier . 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X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.0 required=4.0 tests=HAS_BUG_NUMBER autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from pruche.dit.umontreal.ca (pruche.dit.umontreal.ca [132.204.246.22]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n44JiHNM013334 for <3199-done@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Mon, 4 May 2009 12:44:19 -0700 Received: from faina.iro.umontreal.ca (faina.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.26.177]) by pruche.dit.umontreal.ca (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n44JiIt6010723; Mon, 4 May 2009 15:44:18 -0400 Received: by faina.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix, from userid 20848) id F38D93A2EA; Mon, 4 May 2009 15:44:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier To: Drew Adams Cc: 3199-done@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#3199: 23.0.92; doc string of frame-list Message-ID: References: <001201c9cc0f$b91fbb10$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 15:44:16 -0400 In-Reply-To: <001201c9cc0f$b91fbb10$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> (Drew Adams's message of "Sun, 3 May 2009 09:53:45 -0700") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.92 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-NAI-Spam-Score: 0 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 1 Rules triggered RV3267=0 > The doc string too should say that it is all live frames. > And the manual should use the term "live" frame, since that is the Done, thank you, Stefan ------------=_1241466606-14855-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 3 May 2009 16:53:53 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=4.0 tests=FOURLA autolearn=no version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n43Grn3X025327 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 09:53:51 -0700 Received: from mx10.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]:44106) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1M0ewn-0008U8-CD for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Sun, 03 May 2009 12:53:49 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1M0ewm-0000U1-1C for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Sun, 03 May 2009 12:53:49 -0400 Received: from acsinet12.oracle.com ([141.146.126.234]:61664) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1M0ewl-0000TX-LS for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Sun, 03 May 2009 12:53:47 -0400 Received: from rgminet15.oracle.com (rcsinet15.oracle.com [148.87.113.117]) by acsinet12.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id n43GrYiZ003193 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 16:53:35 GMT Received: from abhmt002.oracle.com (abhmt002.oracle.com [141.146.116.11]) by rgminet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id n43GrdD8012153 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 16:53:39 GMT Received: from dradamslap1 (/141.144.88.104) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sun, 03 May 2009 09:53:37 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" To: Subject: 23.0.92; doc string of frame-list Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 09:53:45 -0700 Message-ID: <001201c9cc0f$b91fbb10$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcnMD7iMjS9rLMJQQtmlGcDYTykRrg== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Source-IP: abhmt002.oracle.com [141.146.116.11] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A010208.49FDCC12.011C:SCFSTAT3317510,ss=1,fgs=0 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) Doc string: "Return a list of all frames." That's incorrect/incomplete. The Elisp manual says this, which is apparently correct: The function `frame-list' returns a list of all the frames that have not been deleted. It is analogous to `buffer-list' for buffers, and includes frames on all terminals. The list that you get is newly created, so modifying the list doesn't have any effect on the internals of Emacs. The doc string too should say that it is all live frames. And the manual should use the term "live" frame, since that is the term used by Emacs (e.g. frame-live-p): "returns a list of all live frames, that is, the frames that have not been deleted." Question: How to get a list of all frames, including dead frames? In GNU Emacs 23.0.92.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2009-03-30 on SOFT-MJASON Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 configured using `configure --with-gcc (3.4)' ------------=_1241466606-14855-1--