From unknown Sat Aug 16 22:46:41 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#31858: 27.0; doc of `window-toggle-side-windows' Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2018 12:36:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 31858 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 31858@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.152915253126880 (code B ref -1); Sat, 16 Jun 2018 12:36:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Jun 2018 12:35:31 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51086 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fUAQT-0006zR-Hy for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2018 08:35:29 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:50731) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fUAQR-0006zC-DM for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2018 08:35:27 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fUAQK-0008Iv-Tx for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2018 08:35:21 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:56218) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fUAQK-0008IO-Cq for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2018 08:35:20 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:41697) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fUAQJ-0002Xq-6f for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2018 08:35:20 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fUAQG-0008Cv-26 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2018 08:35:19 -0400 Received: from userp2130.oracle.com ([156.151.31.86]:44670) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fUAQF-0008Ad-PF for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2018 08:35:15 -0400 Received: from pps.filterd (userp2130.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp2130.oracle.com (8.16.0.22/8.16.0.22) with SMTP id w5GCZDpY059861 for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2018 12:35:13 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : subject : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2017-10-26; bh=/F63YF+jrmxL6J146YXCZqU6fYBkSymScE1zMk2iCbI=; b=remR06EcIX1sG7R3purfXjc91Vgxxqci2Bcz9rNuGNdkhkIwagpfTqGYBucDcUnmDAWS NjngJ54PfcbA3pzLCwc9JDIAPiNJcpVVjpItk11cG/lEv/15K29A2trrzFE1dkgADWxn kmbt50oAIUjJNDmd5smzsqTxCeq+oifB0zBqhC8tFxFusbBtgWF82zeX1a4E2kE9+0WQ o/lJcgIRTNOBdfGKwJvf6J8BCJTCExGB36GGZE4mFGUrPhZW4iAFXvXqc/JFZjZqNp22 dheZACU4v8e2TQei1wcJ307LE11yt4yUha9jedwpVySUnLmSHAz6SI/zmlmkx4iE4RAK Mw== Received: from userv0022.oracle.com (userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74]) by userp2130.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2jmt018j6y-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2018 12:35:12 +0000 Received: from userv0121.oracle.com (userv0121.oracle.com [156.151.31.72]) by userv0022.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id w5GCZCbf015635 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2018 12:35:12 GMT Received: from abhmp0008.oracle.com (abhmp0008.oracle.com [141.146.116.14]) by userv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id w5GCZCT3031898 for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2018 12:35:12 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <65951719-2046-44e9-8946-692a7a15d6d0@default> Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2018 05:35:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4690.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5900 definitions=8925 signatures=668702 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=1 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=748 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1805220000 definitions=main-1806160153 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) AFAICT, neither the doc string nor the manual says what toggling the side windows DOES or MEANS. Just what behavior or appearance is toggled? What happens when a side window is - or all side windows are - toggled? The command is said to be "handy to toggle the appearance of all side windows on a specified frame". But I have no idea what that appearance toggling amounts to. Does it swap left for right windows and top for bottom? Does it hide/show the currently shown/hidden side windows? Does it reverse the order? Does it change the focus? Just what gets toggled? In GNU Emacs 27.0.50 (build 3, x86_64-w64-mingw32) of 2018-03-21 Repository revision: e70d0c9e66d7a8609450b2889869d16aeb0363b5 Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 6.1.7601 Configured using: `configure --without-dbus --host=3Dx86_64-w64-mingw32 --without-compress-install -C 'CFLAGS=3D-O2 -static -g3'' From unknown Sat Aug 16 22:46:41 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#31858: 27.0; doc of `window-toggle-side-windows' Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2018 16:29:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 31858 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Drew Adams Cc: 31858@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 31858-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B31858.152916650224002 (code B ref 31858); Sat, 16 Jun 2018 16:29:02 +0000 Received: (at 31858) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Jun 2018 16:28:22 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51908 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fUE3q-0006F4-Lk for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2018 12:28:22 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:55236) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fUE3p-0006Er-1l for 31858@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2018 12:28:21 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fUE3e-0001aB-VW for 31858@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2018 12:28:15 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:38608) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fUE3e-0001a7-S0; Sat, 16 Jun 2018 12:28:10 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3924 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1fUE3e-00063i-8a; Sat, 16 Jun 2018 12:28:10 -0400 Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2018 19:28:02 +0300 Message-Id: <837emyzofh.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <65951719-2046-44e9-8946-692a7a15d6d0@default> (message from Drew Adams on Sat, 16 Jun 2018 05:35:10 -0700 (PDT)) References: <65951719-2046-44e9-8946-692a7a15d6d0@default> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) > Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2018 05:35:10 -0700 (PDT) > From: Drew Adams > > AFAICT, neither the doc string nor the manual says what toggling the > side windows DOES or MEANS. Just what behavior or appearance is > toggled? What happens when a side window is - or all side windows are - > toggled? That's strange. I found answers to those questions in the doc string: If FRAME has at least one side window, save FRAME’s state in the FRAME’s ‘window-state’ frame parameter and delete all side windows on FRAME afterwards. Otherwise, if FRAME has a ‘window-state’ parameter, use that to restore any side windows on FRAME leaving FRAME’s main window alone. Signal an error if FRAME has no side window and no saved state is found. So I don't understand what is missing there. Could you be more specific regarding the problems you see in this text? From unknown Sat Aug 16 22:46:41 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#31858: 27.0; doc of `window-toggle-side-windows' Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2018 23:12:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 31858 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 31858@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 31858-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B31858.152919068517092 (code B ref 31858); Sat, 16 Jun 2018 23:12:01 +0000 Received: (at 31858) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Jun 2018 23:11:25 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52287 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fUKLt-0004Rc-BK for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2018 19:11:25 -0400 Received: from userp2120.oracle.com ([156.151.31.85]:59018) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fUKLr-0004RO-Er for 31858@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2018 19:11:23 -0400 Received: from pps.filterd (userp2120.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp2120.oracle.com (8.16.0.22/8.16.0.22) with SMTP id w5GNAXNP029799; Sat, 16 Jun 2018 23:11:17 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : cc : subject : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2017-10-26; bh=AwYpgdecoYFMq+cJgJ/rKXhBc3mmIWLU+/+5j3qnz98=; b=hsn4gLR8aHeee8ZYVFPmsBjcDkw3WGulsIBxCz9u3VMZxzMPBV+u01HVL6xxdpsCIDQE dvFUgwUnyMJF9LpQJgtD+KrWhWcIH/z0zRX2ZZMYuq9ZZCmA6h7eGU1XC4jGInzFe41+ DUGTsGWFyYHhiOfRToOV+mHq0SxCErIoUozYrOu3+SOa64Paw/tw0dWivu/CTM1fB+zk I0rlNrlYR3KOVGisUQdN/VDhSRqmQyT/6c3iymKgRkYTakDpzrqSrjp8HLsYceJGyVoA O6Ipn9oH+RtBKGVtxkyeOv7SDlPKkS20ntYk78WWUrN/yRCAJzpjheWe/fIbwrj1UPYU Uw== Received: from aserv0021.oracle.com (aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233]) by userp2120.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2jmu6xh0w8-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 16 Jun 2018 23:11:17 +0000 Received: from aserv0122.oracle.com (aserv0122.oracle.com [141.146.126.236]) by aserv0021.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id w5GNBGMl010238 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 16 Jun 2018 23:11:16 GMT Received: from abhmp0007.oracle.com (abhmp0007.oracle.com [141.146.116.13]) by aserv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id w5GNBGDt019127; Sat, 16 Jun 2018 23:11:16 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <294e533a-0cd8-417f-b83c-f40c2ebb8ed9@default> Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2018 16:11:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams References: <65951719-2046-44e9-8946-692a7a15d6d0@default> <837emyzofh.fsf@gnu.org> In-Reply-To: <837emyzofh.fsf@gnu.org> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4690.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5900 definitions=8926 signatures=668702 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=794 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1805220000 definitions=main-1806160280 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > > AFAICT, neither the doc string nor the manual says what toggling the > > side windows DOES or MEANS. Just what behavior or appearance is > > toggled? What happens when a side window is - or all side windows are > - > > toggled? >=20 > That's strange. I found answers to those questions in the doc string: >=20 > If FRAME has at least one side window, save FRAME=E2=80=99s state in th= e > FRAME=E2=80=99s =E2=80=98window-state=E2=80=99 frame parameter and dele= te all side > windows on FRAME afterwards. Otherwise, if FRAME has a > =E2=80=98window-state=E2=80=99 parameter, use that to restore any side = windows on > FRAME leaving FRAME=E2=80=99s main window alone. Signal an error if > FRAME has no side window and no saved state is found. >=20 > So I don't understand what is missing there. Could you be more > specific regarding the problems you see in this text? The doc should say that the function deletes all side windows of FRAME, or it restores all such previously deleted side windows. There currently is no statement of just what gets toggled. The toggling behavior is described, but what's not said is that it is the presence/existence/validity (pick the right term) of the side windows that is toggled. 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[45.2.119.34]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id p130-v6sm4587883ioe.81.2018.06.16.16.18.04 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Sat, 16 Jun 2018 16:18:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Noam Postavsky References: <65951719-2046-44e9-8946-692a7a15d6d0@default> <837emyzofh.fsf@gnu.org> <294e533a-0cd8-417f-b83c-f40c2ebb8ed9@default> Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2018 19:18:03 -0400 In-Reply-To: <294e533a-0cd8-417f-b83c-f40c2ebb8ed9@default> (Drew Adams's message of "Sat, 16 Jun 2018 16:11:14 -0700 (PDT)") Message-ID: <87in6itj6c.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Drew Adams writes: >> > AFAICT, neither the doc string nor the manual says what toggling the >> > side windows DOES or MEANS. Just what behavior or appearance is >> > toggled? What happens when a side window is - or all side windows are >> > toggled? >>=20 >> That's strange. I found answers to those questions in the doc string: >>=20 >> If FRAME has at least one side window, save FRAME=E2=80=99s state in t= he >> FRAME=E2=80=99s =E2=80=98window-state=E2=80=99 frame parameter and del= ete all side ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> windows on FRAME afterwards. Otherwise, if FRAME has a ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> =E2=80=98window-state=E2=80=99 parameter, use that to restore any side= windows on ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> FRAME leaving FRAME=E2=80=99s main window alone. Signal an error if ^^^^^ >> FRAME has no side window and no saved state is found. >>=20 >> So I don't understand what is missing there. Could you be more >> specific regarding the problems you see in this text? > > The doc should say that the function deletes all side windows > of FRAME, or it restores all such previously deleted side windows. Seems like it does say that? > There currently is no statement of just what gets toggled. ? > The toggling behavior is described, but what's not said is > that it is the presence/existence/validity (pick the right > term) of the side windows that is toggled. It's the first sentence of the quoted paragraph: "If FRAME has at least one side window..." From unknown Sat Aug 16 22:46:41 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#31858: 27.0; doc of `window-toggle-side-windows' Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2018 00:16:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 31858 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Noam Postavsky Cc: 31858@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 31858-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B31858.152919450830263 (code B ref 31858); Sun, 17 Jun 2018 00:16:01 +0000 Received: (at 31858) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Jun 2018 00:15:08 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52320 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fULLY-0007s3-48 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2018 20:15:08 -0400 Received: from userp2130.oracle.com ([156.151.31.86]:44928) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fULLV-0007rG-6q for 31858@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2018 20:15:06 -0400 Received: from pps.filterd (userp2130.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp2130.oracle.com (8.16.0.22/8.16.0.22) with SMTP id w5H0ExwA039425; Sun, 17 Jun 2018 00:14:59 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : cc : subject : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2017-10-26; bh=n2+LblvwZEirB9kPqDY7eTx8hkXQbnCUuaW7Ou9oFM8=; b=OJeJoLSNItz/SdyTUDuG1DHpC9Q17dzTKsxul5zXeby3dnROFQL/n2P+3Nd0Jf1WlJSl 3ZNALRndof8xt1BMwpjFJdbY64TbUYHcHcI//SxIpsUhUiBSXTKubeIVLP6zc/LTcmqC zbe1j87upP1tlntr39zaUcRu4BQLHcFliyhz+hN/AWt44F0PDKd91PzTziqEtwhfOfAT oqdwDkYCJQGrjZlclXaeR5zG0AvSH3ItmmJ/TCQFWWgECnaAab8mdbsVmiRaBqgBbSQL i9MgK8O15RzJzew3VSU6VvxZNPGuLNdGX2AKEeJpXk4Z/mOTcvjdkoBlJjg2QYO7TPX6 7A== Received: from userv0022.oracle.com (userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74]) by userp2130.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2jmt0194jr-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 17 Jun 2018 00:14:59 +0000 Received: from userv0121.oracle.com (userv0121.oracle.com [156.151.31.72]) by userv0022.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id w5H0Ex5v025722 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 17 Jun 2018 00:14:59 GMT Received: from abhmp0007.oracle.com (abhmp0007.oracle.com [141.146.116.13]) by userv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id w5H0EwKN010650; Sun, 17 Jun 2018 00:14:58 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <1e768b88-46ea-4e55-9403-2ce27d1cc63c@default> Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2018 17:14:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams References: <65951719-2046-44e9-8946-692a7a15d6d0@default> <837emyzofh.fsf@gnu.org> <294e533a-0cd8-417f-b83c-f40c2ebb8ed9@default> <87in6itj6c.fsf@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <87in6itj6c.fsf@gmail.com> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4690.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5900 definitions=8926 signatures=668702 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1805220000 definitions=main-1806170001 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > > The doc should say that the function deletes all side windows > > of FRAME, or it restores all such previously deleted side windows. >=20 > Seems like it does say that? Not in so many words. You have to read carefully to figure out just what's being toggled here: the presence/validity of (all) side windows. If the function were called `delete/restore-side-windows' then there would be no problem. The doc string would then only need to make clear that this means _all_ side windows. End of story. We can guess what deleting and restoring a window means. But toggling a window? When the name is "toggle" the doc should (explicitly) say what it is that is toggled - what state/quality. A name such as `toggle-foo-visibility' makes clear that it is the _visibility_ of a foo or foo's that gets toggled. What's toggled here? Surely it's not a "window" (unless you want to explicitly define "toggling" a window to mean what this function does). Here, the name of the state that is toggled is (apparently) the presence, or the existence, or (I guess) the "validity" of side windows. The paragraph you mention describes the deletion and restoring action, but it doesn't name the state/quality that is _toggled_. That's all. "toggle the _appearance_ of all side windows" sounds to me like perhaps something about the appearance - _how_ it looks gets toggled. In fact, IIUC it is the "validity" of the side windows that gets toggled. Not really their existence or their appearance or their presences (in Lisp), but their "validity". I think the doc says that "deletion" of a window object does not mean that the object no longer exists: it can be restored. Sounds similar to, say, overlays. When we "delete" an overlay we don't say that its "appearance" changes or is "toggled". We do carefully point out, just as we do for windows, that the overlay object continues to exist etc. We should use whatever the appropriate terminology is, for windows. I'm no expert on what term is best here. A quick reading of the window doc gave me the impression that the term is "validity" - deleted window objects exist but are not "valid". A =E2=80=9Cvalid window=E2=80=9D is one that is either live or internal. A valid window can be =E2=80=9Cdeleted=E2=80=9D, i.e., removed from its frame (*note Deleting Windows::); then it is no longer valid, but the Lisp object representing it might be still referenced from other Lisp objects. A deleted window may be made valid again by restoring a saved window configuration (*note Window Configurations::). -- node `Basic Windows' (That also defines what "deleting" a window means, BTW. If the doc string pointed to that manual node, it wouldn't hurt.) All I can say is that saying that the side "_windows are toggled_" doesn't make sense. That's OK for a function name, but not for an explanation. Or if you really want to talk about "toggling a window" then please add something like "toggling a window means...". I guess that here it means just what I said: "the function deletes all side windows ... or it restores all such previously deleted side windows." HTH. From unknown Sat Aug 16 22:46:41 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#31858: 27.0; doc of `window-toggle-side-windows' Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2018 03:47:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 31858 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Drew Adams Cc: 31858@debbugs.gnu.org, npostavs@gmail.com Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 31858-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B31858.152920720323860 (code B ref 31858); Sun, 17 Jun 2018 03:47:02 +0000 Received: (at 31858) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Jun 2018 03:46:43 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52426 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fUOeJ-0006Cm-MG for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2018 23:46:43 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:51621) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fUOeI-0006Ca-Dw for 31858@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2018 23:46:42 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fUOe8-0004Ne-NP for 31858@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2018 23:46:37 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:44733) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fUOe8-0004NX-Jr; Sat, 16 Jun 2018 23:46:32 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4693 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1fUOe7-000504-T0; Sat, 16 Jun 2018 23:46:32 -0400 Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2018 06:46:23 +0300 Message-Id: <83wouyxegg.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <1e768b88-46ea-4e55-9403-2ce27d1cc63c@default> (message from Drew Adams on Sat, 16 Jun 2018 17:14:56 -0700 (PDT)) References: <65951719-2046-44e9-8946-692a7a15d6d0@default> <837emyzofh.fsf@gnu.org> <294e533a-0cd8-417f-b83c-f40c2ebb8ed9@default> <87in6itj6c.fsf@gmail.com> <1e768b88-46ea-4e55-9403-2ce27d1cc63c@default> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) > Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2018 17:14:56 -0700 (PDT) > From: Drew Adams > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 31858@debbugs.gnu.org > > What's toggled here? Would replacing this: Toggle side windows on specified FRAME. with this: Toggle display of side windows on specified FRAME. solve your problem with this doc string? From unknown Sat Aug 16 22:46:41 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#31858: 27.0; doc of `window-toggle-side-windows' Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2018 04:21:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 31858 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii , Drew Adams Cc: 31858@debbugs.gnu.org, npostavs@gmail.com Received: via spool by 31858-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B31858.152920925626830 (code B ref 31858); Sun, 17 Jun 2018 04:21:02 +0000 Received: (at 31858) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Jun 2018 04:20:56 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52446 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fUPBQ-0006yg-7o for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2018 00:20:56 -0400 Received: from userp2120.oracle.com ([156.151.31.85]:41562) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fUPBO-0006yQ-Cg for 31858@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2018 00:20:54 -0400 Received: from pps.filterd (userp2120.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp2120.oracle.com (8.16.0.22/8.16.0.22) with SMTP id w5H4Iine188590; Sun, 17 Jun 2018 04:20:48 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : cc : subject : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2017-10-26; bh=jjv4dDRSbYKwzftI0wu9AmsJZ9vWDu2cv7h/IflhxiE=; b=f8T6gCrt9sx0r4B+yYZHJKA6azttI7ER7U4KmF0B6kkHA9CIqikG3Sibdw72jsYEwcQQ sn+ENV9vvl4+51iUKdyOsewY8Ztf7kk+4WS1SDP894S1Gd6rp02/QwNbEe73UVNm/Cer BMKVj27EFn9eMbQxE2n0XmADvtySej5yzAVzbmq48HT++lHM5814cXX1XsXgpbONdmI2 lt0IdpYp8WjaFxC5RVZDu9hpUQGYFVI+rukGe2holXZ8ErLytm/9iB8NZarmzklStDLk jxirVT2fhUv/+l7cYjh/gt45aye/x14LnKrFwfgzPJnrj0OWnMX3hUF+at9Jb8AqlRfE EQ== Received: from aserv0021.oracle.com (aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233]) by userp2120.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2jmu6xh7q5-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 17 Jun 2018 04:20:48 +0000 Received: from userv0121.oracle.com (userv0121.oracle.com [156.151.31.72]) by aserv0021.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id w5H4KlhA001821 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 17 Jun 2018 04:20:47 GMT Received: from abhmp0014.oracle.com (abhmp0014.oracle.com [141.146.116.20]) by userv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id w5H4KjY6028044; Sun, 17 Jun 2018 04:20:46 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <18382c51-ad2f-499a-a6d7-02e802abb908@default> Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2018 21:20:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams References: <<65951719-2046-44e9-8946-692a7a15d6d0@default>> <<837emyzofh.fsf@gnu.org>> <<294e533a-0cd8-417f-b83c-f40c2ebb8ed9@default>> <<87in6itj6c.fsf@gmail.com>> <<1e768b88-46ea-4e55-9403-2ce27d1cc63c@default>> <<83wouyxegg.fsf@gnu.org>> In-Reply-To: <<83wouyxegg.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4690.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5900 definitions=8926 signatures=668702 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=553 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1805220000 definitions=main-1806170053 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Would replacing this: > Toggle side windows on specified FRAME. > with this: > Toggle display of side windows on specified FRAME. > solve your problem with this doc string? It's definitely an improvement. From unknown Sat Aug 16 22:46:41 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.505 (Entity 5.505) X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (GNU bug Tracking System) To: Drew Adams Subject: bug#31858: closed (Re: bug#31858: 27.0; doc of `window-toggle-side-windows') Message-ID: References: <83po0qx915.fsf@gnu.org> <65951719-2046-44e9-8946-692a7a15d6d0@default> X-Gnu-PR-Message: they-closed 31858 X-Gnu-PR-Package: emacs Reply-To: 31858@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2018 05:44:02 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1529214242-10485-1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1529214242-10485-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Your bug report #31858: 27.0; doc of `window-toggle-side-windows' which was filed against the emacs package, has been closed. The explanation is attached below, along with your original report. If you require more details, please reply to 31858@debbugs.gnu.org. --=20 31858: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D31858 GNU Bug Tracking System Contact help-debbugs@gnu.org with problems ------------=_1529214242-10485-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at 31858-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Jun 2018 05:43:54 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52493 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fUQTh-0002ig-MM for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2018 01:43:53 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:36142) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fUQTg-0002iT-9L for 31858-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2018 01:43:52 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fUQTX-00034d-5I for 31858-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2018 01:43:47 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_05 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:45822) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fUQTX-00034Z-1k; Sun, 17 Jun 2018 01:43:43 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4831 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1fUQTW-0006oF-9y; Sun, 17 Jun 2018 01:43:42 -0400 Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2018 08:43:34 +0300 Message-Id: <83po0qx915.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Drew Adams In-reply-to: <18382c51-ad2f-499a-a6d7-02e802abb908@default> (message from Drew Adams on Sat, 16 Jun 2018 21:20:44 -0700 (PDT)) Subject: Re: bug#31858: 27.0; doc of `window-toggle-side-windows' References: <<65951719-2046-44e9-8946-692a7a15d6d0@default>> <<837emyzofh.fsf@gnu.org>> <<294e533a-0cd8-417f-b83c-f40c2ebb8ed9@default>> <<87in6itj6c.fsf@gmail.com>> <<1e768b88-46ea-4e55-9403-2ce27d1cc63c@default>> <<83wouyxegg.fsf@gnu.org>> <18382c51-ad2f-499a-a6d7-02e802abb908@default> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 31858-done Cc: 31858-done@debbugs.gnu.org, npostavs@gmail.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) > Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2018 21:20:44 -0700 (PDT) > From: Drew Adams > Cc: npostavs@gmail.com, 31858@debbugs.gnu.org > > > Would replacing this: > > Toggle side windows on specified FRAME. > > with this: > > Toggle display of side windows on specified FRAME. > > solve your problem with this doc string? > > It's definitely an improvement. OK, I did that, and also changed the wording to be a bit more reader-friendly. ------------=_1529214242-10485-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Jun 2018 12:35:31 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51086 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fUAQT-0006zR-Hy for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2018 08:35:29 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:50731) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fUAQR-0006zC-DM for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2018 08:35:27 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fUAQK-0008Iv-Tx for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2018 08:35:21 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:56218) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fUAQK-0008IO-Cq for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2018 08:35:20 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:41697) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fUAQJ-0002Xq-6f for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2018 08:35:20 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fUAQG-0008Cv-26 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2018 08:35:19 -0400 Received: from userp2130.oracle.com ([156.151.31.86]:44670) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fUAQF-0008Ad-PF for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2018 08:35:15 -0400 Received: from pps.filterd (userp2130.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp2130.oracle.com (8.16.0.22/8.16.0.22) with SMTP id w5GCZDpY059861 for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2018 12:35:13 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : subject : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2017-10-26; bh=/F63YF+jrmxL6J146YXCZqU6fYBkSymScE1zMk2iCbI=; b=remR06EcIX1sG7R3purfXjc91Vgxxqci2Bcz9rNuGNdkhkIwagpfTqGYBucDcUnmDAWS NjngJ54PfcbA3pzLCwc9JDIAPiNJcpVVjpItk11cG/lEv/15K29A2trrzFE1dkgADWxn kmbt50oAIUjJNDmd5smzsqTxCeq+oifB0zBqhC8tFxFusbBtgWF82zeX1a4E2kE9+0WQ o/lJcgIRTNOBdfGKwJvf6J8BCJTCExGB36GGZE4mFGUrPhZW4iAFXvXqc/JFZjZqNp22 dheZACU4v8e2TQei1wcJ307LE11yt4yUha9jedwpVySUnLmSHAz6SI/zmlmkx4iE4RAK Mw== Received: from userv0022.oracle.com (userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74]) by userp2130.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2jmt018j6y-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2018 12:35:12 +0000 Received: from userv0121.oracle.com (userv0121.oracle.com [156.151.31.72]) by userv0022.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id w5GCZCbf015635 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2018 12:35:12 GMT Received: from abhmp0008.oracle.com (abhmp0008.oracle.com [141.146.116.14]) by userv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id w5GCZCT3031898 for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2018 12:35:12 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <65951719-2046-44e9-8946-692a7a15d6d0@default> Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2018 05:35:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 27.0; doc of `window-toggle-side-windows' X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4690.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5900 definitions=8925 signatures=668702 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=1 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=748 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1805220000 definitions=main-1806160153 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) AFAICT, neither the doc string nor the manual says what toggling the side windows DOES or MEANS. Just what behavior or appearance is toggled? What happens when a side window is - or all side windows are - toggled? The command is said to be "handy to toggle the appearance of all side windows on a specified frame". But I have no idea what that appearance toggling amounts to. Does it swap left for right windows and top for bottom? Does it hide/show the currently shown/hidden side windows? Does it reverse the order? Does it change the focus? Just what gets toggled? In GNU Emacs 27.0.50 (build 3, x86_64-w64-mingw32) of 2018-03-21 Repository revision: e70d0c9e66d7a8609450b2889869d16aeb0363b5 Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 6.1.7601 Configured using: `configure --without-dbus --host=3Dx86_64-w64-mingw32 --without-compress-install -C 'CFLAGS=3D-O2 -static -g3'' ------------=_1529214242-10485-1-- From unknown Sat Aug 16 22:46:41 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#31858: 27.0; doc of `window-toggle-side-windows' Resent-From: martin rudalics Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2018 07:55:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 31858 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 31858@debbugs.gnu.org, eliz@gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com Received: via spool by 31858-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B31858.152922205422188 (code B ref 31858); Sun, 17 Jun 2018 07:55:01 +0000 Received: (at 31858) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Jun 2018 07:54:14 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52539 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fUSVp-0005lo-SK for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2018 03:54:14 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.21]:57139) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fUSVn-0005la-R8 for 31858@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2018 03:54:12 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([46.125.250.95]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx101 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MGEv5-1fOhcL3Hvz-00FCGi; Sun, 17 Jun 2018 09:53:54 +0200 Message-ID: <5B26138F.4030703@gmx.at> Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2018 09:53:51 +0200 From: martin rudalics MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <<65951719-2046-44e9-8946-692a7a15d6d0@default>> <<837emyzofh.fsf@gnu.org>> <<294e533a-0cd8-417f-b83c-f40c2ebb8ed9@default>> <<87in6itj6c.fsf@gmail.com>> <<1e768b88-46ea-4e55-9403-2ce27d1cc63c@default>> <<83wouyxegg.fsf@gnu.org>> <18382c51-ad2f-499a-a6d7-02e802abb908@default> <83po0qx915.fsf@gnu.org> In-Reply-To: <83po0qx915.fsf@gnu.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:1K+jg6ChqxWNciGsuTMZQzp7GiQrVi1blw/YXMPDKzoXDw1S4ms NXEokLYbSvd+Jcz1pYZTS37kTSFoOBMGOGjozQwqo6M0ukQUwgohmbxI6yqgJPX9nAze4fU VRIIyP5jwySPmL+bn1xIKF+qI9kn0VGIvwPYaMtBcgbNBwC0Q5oC0/N/BBXsimriqpTtiqe a4Yjl0kXSrHimDAZIJO1g== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:e6+7cMPaIQs=:iftu+Enf7mV7bsaSJasNcS QN08oh/TbOLTLq+T3A8Np8u2008kMXD3NYYb1pKZH++hBB3H7BE7+fxojJcFe+/fgM/+Lpb+g JDKlHnlUbfIpMJSthQGSGIXC44GWWuOZORsR7oMlHEeRyKXqDJ5Wtghalpx6ZVdonjQZz6GSJ 8mxUFDoMg+fYUif0h94CdLRMVUp8Jox9CgoiFO+eVbvG2mAZ1Q2KZUsfJHt+xirhEToQkvnmf Pzaq2EfATjbsyHwVyHl8L9DXHhx/xyC+23Dhcn0+4arLWKcBmDQVuD8apPmYEpWQTFMeMwEi7 yTHRnr2531jzIQqhbnqXIzuqvrf573LgQETQmkY79WTpl2MQ1w8CoSigcX2W9pxsCZvT2Ks2L B0RuGelR+HJo1WQvNkxR2Mbs3W9RLunn8jMVSnxLTCtJF/Q4DCvJAORwZtZ4x007AbD6nleaZ wmz3tpQhZPyDQJBRRugfmA5JG9br9TWatUL5bEwlgIdczoN9A4o/KDEhZeUOOOuON5ncho+Hy IbhYGgflmodeK+xGkozHzoIqElqxvKdcuLiBHgT2gsLcl58nz4qI4LGDnWZCvXDYAEZ+DVgod io12J0BoSCpOr1ppBgOBXRmPwPlNZ8UbdILdMXsAiwyWiS/htiUZq7fIH3kvvAIXeLfWResD0 iFZR1SBPBsbD4nFOyL2/CVOw5cyW8FqkY6euWB6ypWSSjsPIY+SLWAM6s6N9+pDVPHyrMU+t5 +1cq3/N//G8rGY+W9UMqI/HwrM7iYtZA4pDs3oQi8PTOdenLez+HCQWxWHgAK9BS+TEJcqh0P 9887b3k X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > OK, I did that, and also changed the wording to be a bit more > reader-friendly. Thank you! martin From unknown Sat Aug 16 22:46:41 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#31858: 27.0; doc of `window-toggle-side-windows' Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2018 14:23:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 31858 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii , Drew Adams Cc: 31858-done@debbugs.gnu.org, npostavs@gmail.com Received: via spool by 31858-done@debbugs.gnu.org id=D31858.15292453331623 (code D ref 31858); Sun, 17 Jun 2018 14:23:01 +0000 Received: (at 31858-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Jun 2018 14:22:13 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54007 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fUYZJ-0000Q7-9w for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2018 10:22:13 -0400 Received: from userp2130.oracle.com ([156.151.31.86]:34654) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fUYZI-0000Pq-2d for 31858-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2018 10:22:12 -0400 Received: from pps.filterd (userp2130.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp2130.oracle.com (8.16.0.22/8.16.0.22) with SMTP id w5HEIvfN091829; Sun, 17 Jun 2018 14:22:05 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : cc : subject : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2017-10-26; bh=8kyuJTgmBaucpeCYFBfiRfA+EC9Wu8fSx2HvolUkrpA=; b=JSEBEtwKX1eKVOLSu99zuaXe49WLuS0QmGyRT1nDbN0aJKdjIShGkfD5IJbK7ee6jXQ9 ESLSE/LVo2GCpZJlX0PPU+otZVzHQStNBp4KSgHao8PqSHAItElOqD3m6rrCb9nSibCc ioPRxSOND425aMPbpSPI1bDqpqt0HeTIC1Ym5OzKYFPkiLDDh+t5F9uVDe6dqOQ5iOeU YyPFOk746QlXVF8L7AqeJe7go2lh4luLdI3LHEt5RtVJnQ9O9FCXLPPTQeNU7u7xUpdM AykX1bYwRrBjXs6h9KLVRy/XqiywMPLwBg1Oj9LcvkqAQmKxYyLvWjguocbnc1jels1a 6A== Received: from userv0022.oracle.com (userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74]) by userp2130.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2jmt019u89-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 17 Jun 2018 14:22:05 +0000 Received: from aserv0121.oracle.com (aserv0121.oracle.com [141.146.126.235]) by userv0022.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id w5HEM4LF023226 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 17 Jun 2018 14:22:05 GMT Received: from abhmp0014.oracle.com (abhmp0014.oracle.com [141.146.116.20]) by aserv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id w5HEM4KC018664; Sun, 17 Jun 2018 14:22:04 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2018 07:22:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams References: <<<65951719-2046-44e9-8946-692a7a15d6d0@default>>> <<<837emyzofh.fsf@gnu.org>>> <<<294e533a-0cd8-417f-b83c-f40c2ebb8ed9@default>>> <<<87in6itj6c.fsf@gmail.com>>> <<<1e768b88-46ea-4e55-9403-2ce27d1cc63c@default>>> <<<83wouyxegg.fsf@gnu.org>>> <<18382c51-ad2f-499a-a6d7-02e802abb908@default>> <<83po0qx915.fsf@gnu.org>> In-Reply-To: <<83po0qx915.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4690.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5900 definitions=8926 signatures=668702 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=509 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1805220000 definitions=main-1806170177 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > OK, I did that, and also changed the wording to be a bit more > reader-friendly. Thank you.