From unknown Fri Aug 15 20:50:40 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#31654: emacs-lisp-intro.texi - backtrace Resent-From: Van L Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 30 May 2018 09:25:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 31654 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 31654@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.152767225430552 (code B ref -1); Wed, 30 May 2018 09:25:01 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 May 2018 09:24:14 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54667 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fNxL4-0007wi-2Q for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 30 May 2018 05:24:14 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:45004) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fNxL2-0007wW-FW for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 30 May 2018 05:24:12 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fNxKw-0000aB-Ap for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 30 May 2018 05:24:07 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:53307) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fNxKw-0000a7-8S for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 30 May 2018 05:24:06 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:35975) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fNxKv-00058z-3W for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 30 May 2018 05:24:06 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fNxKr-0000Zc-Vk for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 30 May 2018 05:24:05 -0400 Received: from relay2-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.194]:35413) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fNxKr-0000ZD-Pi for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 30 May 2018 05:24:01 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 203.213.103.68 Received: from epi.local (203-213-103-68.static.tpgi.com.au [203.213.103.68]) (Authenticated sender: van@scratch.space) by relay2-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3875B40011 for ; Wed, 30 May 2018 11:23:56 +0200 (CEST) From: Van L Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <8794A4AF-6030-4A0E-9F50-FFDFA8AB981D@scratch.space> Date: Wed, 30 May 2018 19:23:51 +1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.4 (----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.4 (-----) Hello. What I=E2=80=99ll do is collect backtrace as documented and shown in GNU = Emacs 26.1, here. I like how the original extended the common prefix ``eval=E2=80=99=E2=80=99= in the naming. The newer backtrace result looks ``complicated''. #+BEGIN_EXAMPLE 8cda6f8f (Glenn Morris 2007-09-06 1818) ---------- = Buffer: *Backtrace* ---------- 8cda6f8f (Glenn Morris 2007-09-06 1819) Debugger = entered--Lisp error: (void-function fill-column) 8cda6f8f (Glenn Morris 2007-09-06 1820) (fill-column) 8cda6f8f (Glenn Morris 2007-09-06 1821) = eval((fill-column)) 8cda6f8f (Glenn Morris 2007-09-06 1822) = eval-last-sexp-1(nil) 8cda6f8f (Glenn Morris 2007-09-06 1823) = eval-last-sexp(nil) 8cda6f8f (Glenn Morris 2007-09-06 1824) = call-interactively(eval-last-sexp) 8cda6f8f (Glenn Morris 2007-09-06 1825) ---------- = Buffer: *Backtrace* ---------- Debugger entered--Lisp error: (void-function fill-column) (fill-column) eval((fill-column) nil) elisp--eval-last-sexp(nil) eval-last-sexp(nil) funcall-interactively(eval-last-sexp nil) call-interactively(eval-last-sexp nil nil) command-execute(eval-last-sexp) #+END_EXAMPLE From unknown Fri Aug 15 20:50:40 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#31654: Acknowledgement (emacs-lisp-intro.texi - backtrace) Resent-From: Van L Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 30 May 2018 09:35:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 31654 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 31654@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 31654-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B31654.152767287031472 (code B ref 31654); Wed, 30 May 2018 09:35:02 +0000 Received: (at 31654) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 May 2018 09:34:30 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54672 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fNxV0-0008BY-2F for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 30 May 2018 05:34:30 -0400 Received: from relay7-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.200]:49295) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fNxUy-0008BQ-Et for 31654@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 30 May 2018 05:34:28 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 203.213.103.68 Received: from epi.local (203-213-103-68.static.tpgi.com.au [203.213.103.68]) (Authenticated sender: van@scratch.space) by relay7-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 010E820003 for <31654@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 30 May 2018 11:34:32 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: Van L In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 30 May 2018 19:34:21 +1000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <8794A4AF-6030-4A0E-9F50-FFDFA8AB981D@scratch.space> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > GNU bug Tracking System writes: >=20 > If you wish to submit further information on this problem, please > send it to 31654@debbugs.gnu.org. #+BEGIN_EXAMPLE 8cda6f8f (Glenn Morris 2007-09-06 1863) In GNU Emacs = 22, you will create a @file{*Backtrace*} buffer that 8cda6f8f (Glenn Morris 2007-09-06 1864) says: 8cda6f8f (Glenn Morris 2007-09-06 1865)=20 8cda6f8f (Glenn Morris 2007-09-06 1866) @smallexample 8cda6f8f (Glenn Morris 2007-09-06 1867) @group 8cda6f8f (Glenn Morris 2007-09-06 1868) ---------- = Buffer: *Backtrace* ---------- 8cda6f8f (Glenn Morris 2007-09-06 1869) Debugger = entered--Lisp error: (void-variable +) 8cda6f8f (Glenn Morris 2007-09-06 1870) eval(+) 8cda6f8f (Glenn Morris 2007-09-06 1871) = eval-last-sexp-1(nil) 8cda6f8f (Glenn Morris 2007-09-06 1872) = eval-last-sexp(nil) 8cda6f8f (Glenn Morris 2007-09-06 1873) = call-interactively(eval-last-sexp) 8cda6f8f (Glenn Morris 2007-09-06 1874) ---------- = Buffer: *Backtrace* ---------- 8cda6f8f (Glenn Morris 2007-09-06 1875) @end group 8cda6f8f (Glenn Morris 2007-09-06 1876) @end = smallexample Debugger entered--Lisp error: (void-variable +) eval(+ nil) elisp--eval-last-sexp(nil) eval-last-sexp(nil) funcall-interactively(eval-last-sexp nil) call-interactively(eval-last-sexp nil nil) command-execute(eval-last-sexp) #+END_EXAMPLE From unknown Fri Aug 15 20:50:40 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#31654: emacs-lisp-intro.texi - backtrace Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 30 May 2018 16:55:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 31654 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Van L Cc: 31654@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 31654-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B31654.152769926222274 (code B ref 31654); Wed, 30 May 2018 16:55:02 +0000 Received: (at 31654) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 May 2018 16:54:22 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55368 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fO4Mf-0005nC-Qy for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 30 May 2018 12:54:22 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:54690) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fO4Me-0005mz-EJ for 31654@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 30 May 2018 12:54:20 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fO4MV-0004kM-Tq for 31654@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 30 May 2018 12:54:15 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:59486) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fO4MV-0004kI-Ph; Wed, 30 May 2018 12:54:11 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1218 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1fO4MU-00018O-GM; Wed, 30 May 2018 12:54:11 -0400 Date: Wed, 30 May 2018 19:54:06 +0300 Message-Id: <83y3g1gk41.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <8794A4AF-6030-4A0E-9F50-FFDFA8AB981D@scratch.space> (message from Van L on Wed, 30 May 2018 19:23:51 +1000) References: <8794A4AF-6030-4A0E-9F50-FFDFA8AB981D@scratch.space> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) > From: Van L > Date: Wed, 30 May 2018 19:23:51 +1000 > > I like how the original extended the common prefix ``eval’’ in the naming. > > The newer backtrace result looks ``complicated''. > > #+BEGIN_EXAMPLE > 8cda6f8f (Glenn Morris 2007-09-06 1818) ---------- Buffer: *Backtrace* ---------- > 8cda6f8f (Glenn Morris 2007-09-06 1819) Debugger entered--Lisp error: (void-function fill-column) > 8cda6f8f (Glenn Morris 2007-09-06 1820) (fill-column) > 8cda6f8f (Glenn Morris 2007-09-06 1821) eval((fill-column)) > 8cda6f8f (Glenn Morris 2007-09-06 1822) eval-last-sexp-1(nil) > 8cda6f8f (Glenn Morris 2007-09-06 1823) eval-last-sexp(nil) > 8cda6f8f (Glenn Morris 2007-09-06 1824) call-interactively(eval-last-sexp) > 8cda6f8f (Glenn Morris 2007-09-06 1825) ---------- Buffer: *Backtrace* ---------- > > Debugger entered--Lisp error: (void-function fill-column) > (fill-column) > eval((fill-column) nil) > elisp--eval-last-sexp(nil) > eval-last-sexp(nil) > funcall-interactively(eval-last-sexp nil) > call-interactively(eval-last-sexp nil nil) > command-execute(eval-last-sexp) > #+END_EXAMPLE But it's what Emacs shows nowadays. I don't see any good reasons to describe in the manual something that is different from the reality, I think this could only add to confusion. Backtraces are usually "ugly" in that way, and developers should get used to that. If you or someone else have ideas how to make this "nicer" without lying to the reader, I'm all ears. Thanks. From unknown Fri Aug 15 20:50:40 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#31654: emacs-lisp-intro.texi - backtrace Resent-From: Van L Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 31 May 2018 03:01:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 31654 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 31654@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 31654-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B31654.152773561318299 (code B ref 31654); Thu, 31 May 2018 03:01:02 +0000 Received: (at 31654) by debbugs.gnu.org; 31 May 2018 03:00:13 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55489 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fODoy-0004l5-Li for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 30 May 2018 23:00:12 -0400 Received: from relay8-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.201]:48281) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fODow-0004kv-N0 for 31654@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 30 May 2018 23:00:11 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 123.243.250.252 Received: from epi.local (123-243-250-252.tpgi.com.au [123.243.250.252]) (Authenticated sender: van@scratch.space) by relay8-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B33551BF20B; Thu, 31 May 2018 05:00:14 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: Van L In-Reply-To: <83y3g1gk41.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Thu, 31 May 2018 13:00:02 +1000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <8794A4AF-6030-4A0E-9F50-FFDFA8AB981D@scratch.space> <83y3g1gk41.fsf@gnu.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > On 31 May 2018, at 02:54, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >=20 > But it's what Emacs shows nowadays. I don't see any good reasons to > describe in the manual something that is different from the reality >=20 > If you or someone else have ideas how to make this "nicer" without > lying to the reader, I'm all ears. The ``ignore'' passage for pre-version 22 suggests a one line backtrace = for the event of function or variable being ``void=E2=80=99=E2=80=99. = Neat. How about something like a universal argument for level of detail of = verbosity? for backtrace. The default is one line where possible for C-x C-e. The easy to medium setting has lines having a common beautiful prefix = where possible. The extremely difficult setting has all the ugly offal outpourings for = the kitchen sink.= From unknown Fri Aug 15 20:50:40 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#31654: emacs-lisp-intro.texi - backtrace Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 31 May 2018 14:45:04 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 31654 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Van L Cc: 31654@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 31654-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B31654.152777786123701 (code B ref 31654); Thu, 31 May 2018 14:45:04 +0000 Received: (at 31654) by debbugs.gnu.org; 31 May 2018 14:44:21 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56119 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fOOoP-0006AD-71 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 31 May 2018 10:44:21 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:56472) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fOOoN-00069v-D8 for 31654@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 31 May 2018 10:44:19 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fOOoF-0003ya-7o for 31654@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 31 May 2018 10:44:14 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_05 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:49396) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fOOoF-0003yU-3e; Thu, 31 May 2018 10:44:11 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2484 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1fOOoE-0003yj-0S; Thu, 31 May 2018 10:44:10 -0400 Date: Thu, 31 May 2018 17:44:08 +0300 Message-Id: <83k1rjholj.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: (message from Van L on Thu, 31 May 2018 13:00:02 +1000) References: <8794A4AF-6030-4A0E-9F50-FFDFA8AB981D@scratch.space> <83y3g1gk41.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) > From: Van L > Date: Thu, 31 May 2018 13:00:02 +1000 > Cc: 31654@debbugs.gnu.org > > How about something like a universal argument for level of detail of verbosity? for backtrace. I don't see why it would be useful. Backtraces must be as accurate as possible, showing the exact sequence of calls, so that the user who debugs the problem could step through the relevant code. Omitting parts of a backtrace because they might be "ugly" or "confusing" would be a disservice, I think. I have never seen any practical use case where that would be a good idea. And I don't think I've seen a debugger that provides such a feature. Does anyone see a practical use case for such a feature? From unknown Fri Aug 15 20:50:40 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#31654: Acknowledgement (emacs-lisp-intro.texi - backtrace) Resent-From: Van L Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2018 13:43:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 31654 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 31654@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 31654-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B31654.15278605391032 (code B ref 31654); Fri, 01 Jun 2018 13:43:01 +0000 Received: (at 31654) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Jun 2018 13:42:19 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56966 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fOkJu-0000Ga-Qd for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Jun 2018 09:42:18 -0400 Received: from relay4-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.196]:44527) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fOkJs-0000GO-Nb for 31654@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Jun 2018 09:42:17 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 123.243.250.252 Received: from epi.local (123-243-250-252.tpgi.com.au [123.243.250.252]) (Authenticated sender: van@scratch.space) by relay4-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4F1F0E0006 for <31654@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 1 Jun 2018 15:42:13 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: Van L In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2018 23:42:09 +1000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <09364D20-00E9-45F3-B1D5-6C4F16E3FBE1@scratch.space> References: <8794A4AF-6030-4A0E-9F50-FFDFA8AB981D@scratch.space> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) >> GNU bug Tracking System writes: >>=20 >> If you wish to submit further information on this problem, please >> send it to 31654@debbugs.gnu.org. #+BEGIN_EXAMPLE 8cda6f8f (Glenn Morris 2007-09-06 2134) @smallexample 8cda6f8f (Glenn Morris 2007-09-06 2135) @group 8cda6f8f (Glenn Morris 2007-09-06 2136) ---------- = Buffer: *Backtrace* ---------- 8cda6f8f (Glenn Morris 2007-09-06 2137) Debugger = entered--Lisp error: 8cda6f8f (Glenn Morris 2007-09-06 2138) = (wrong-type-argument number-or-marker-p hello) 8cda6f8f (Glenn Morris 2007-09-06 2139) +(2 hello) 8cda6f8f (Glenn Morris 2007-09-06 2140) eval((+ 2 = (quote hello))) 8cda6f8f (Glenn Morris 2007-09-06 2141) = eval-last-sexp-1(nil) 8cda6f8f (Glenn Morris 2007-09-06 2142) = eval-last-sexp(nil) 8cda6f8f (Glenn Morris 2007-09-06 2143) = call-interactively(eval-last-sexp) 8cda6f8f (Glenn Morris 2007-09-06 2144) ---------- = Buffer: *Backtrace* ---------- 8cda6f8f (Glenn Morris 2007-09-06 2145) @end group 8cda6f8f (Glenn Morris 2007-09-06 2146) @end smallexample Debugger entered--Lisp error: (wrong-type-argument number-or-marker-p = hello) +(2 hello) eval((+ 2 'hello) nil) elisp--eval-last-sexp(nil) eval-last-sexp(nil) funcall-interactively(eval-last-sexp nil) call-interactively(eval-last-sexp nil nil) command-execute(eval-last-sexp) #+END_EXAMPLE From unknown Fri Aug 15 20:50:40 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.505 (Entity 5.505) X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (GNU bug Tracking System) To: Van L Subject: bug#31654: closed (Re: bug#31654: Acknowledgement (emacs-lisp-intro.texi - backtrace)) Message-ID: References: <83a7sefvdt.fsf@gnu.org> <8794A4AF-6030-4A0E-9F50-FFDFA8AB981D@scratch.space> X-Gnu-PR-Message: they-closed 31654 X-Gnu-PR-Package: emacs Reply-To: 31654@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2018 14:14:02 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1527862442-5311-1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1527862442-5311-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Your bug report #31654: emacs-lisp-intro.texi - backtrace which was filed against the emacs package, has been closed. The explanation is attached below, along with your original report. If you require more details, please reply to 31654@debbugs.gnu.org. --=20 31654: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D31654 GNU Bug Tracking System Contact help-debbugs@gnu.org with problems ------------=_1527862442-5311-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at 31654-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Jun 2018 14:13:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58095 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fOknh-0001Ll-AH for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Jun 2018 10:13:05 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:46769) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fOknf-0001LG-GI for 31654-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Jun 2018 10:13:03 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fOknV-00014A-8H for 31654-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Jun 2018 10:12:58 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:54487) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fOknV-00013y-4u; Fri, 01 Jun 2018 10:12:53 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4655 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1fOknT-0002OV-VJ; Fri, 01 Jun 2018 10:12:52 -0400 Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2018 17:12:46 +0300 Message-Id: <83a7sefvdt.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Van L In-reply-to: <09364D20-00E9-45F3-B1D5-6C4F16E3FBE1@scratch.space> (message from Van L on Fri, 1 Jun 2018 23:42:09 +1000) Subject: Re: bug#31654: Acknowledgement (emacs-lisp-intro.texi - backtrace) References: <8794A4AF-6030-4A0E-9F50-FFDFA8AB981D@scratch.space> <09364D20-00E9-45F3-B1D5-6C4F16E3FBE1@scratch.space> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 31654-done Cc: 31654-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) > From: Van L > Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2018 23:42:09 +1000 > > Debugger entered--Lisp error: (wrong-type-argument number-or-marker-p hello) > +(2 hello) > eval((+ 2 'hello) nil) > elisp--eval-last-sexp(nil) > eval-last-sexp(nil) > funcall-interactively(eval-last-sexp nil) > call-interactively(eval-last-sexp nil nil) > command-execute(eval-last-sexp) Thanks, fixed. ------------=_1527862442-5311-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 May 2018 09:24:14 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54667 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fNxL4-0007wi-2Q for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 30 May 2018 05:24:14 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:45004) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fNxL2-0007wW-FW for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 30 May 2018 05:24:12 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fNxKw-0000aB-Ap for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 30 May 2018 05:24:07 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:53307) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fNxKw-0000a7-8S for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 30 May 2018 05:24:06 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:35975) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fNxKv-00058z-3W for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 30 May 2018 05:24:06 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fNxKr-0000Zc-Vk for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 30 May 2018 05:24:05 -0400 Received: from relay2-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.194]:35413) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fNxKr-0000ZD-Pi for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 30 May 2018 05:24:01 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 203.213.103.68 Received: from epi.local (203-213-103-68.static.tpgi.com.au [203.213.103.68]) (Authenticated sender: van@scratch.space) by relay2-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3875B40011 for ; Wed, 30 May 2018 11:23:56 +0200 (CEST) From: Van L Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: emacs-lisp-intro.texi - backtrace Message-Id: <8794A4AF-6030-4A0E-9F50-FFDFA8AB981D@scratch.space> Date: Wed, 30 May 2018 19:23:51 +1000 To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.4 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.4 (-----) Hello. What I=E2=80=99ll do is collect backtrace as documented and shown in GNU = Emacs 26.1, here. I like how the original extended the common prefix ``eval=E2=80=99=E2=80=99= in the naming. The newer backtrace result looks ``complicated''. #+BEGIN_EXAMPLE 8cda6f8f (Glenn Morris 2007-09-06 1818) ---------- = Buffer: *Backtrace* ---------- 8cda6f8f (Glenn Morris 2007-09-06 1819) Debugger = entered--Lisp error: (void-function fill-column) 8cda6f8f (Glenn Morris 2007-09-06 1820) (fill-column) 8cda6f8f (Glenn Morris 2007-09-06 1821) = eval((fill-column)) 8cda6f8f (Glenn Morris 2007-09-06 1822) = eval-last-sexp-1(nil) 8cda6f8f (Glenn Morris 2007-09-06 1823) = eval-last-sexp(nil) 8cda6f8f (Glenn Morris 2007-09-06 1824) = call-interactively(eval-last-sexp) 8cda6f8f (Glenn Morris 2007-09-06 1825) ---------- = Buffer: *Backtrace* ---------- Debugger entered--Lisp error: (void-function fill-column) (fill-column) eval((fill-column) nil) elisp--eval-last-sexp(nil) eval-last-sexp(nil) funcall-interactively(eval-last-sexp nil) call-interactively(eval-last-sexp nil nil) command-execute(eval-last-sexp) #+END_EXAMPLE ------------=_1527862442-5311-1--