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27.0.50; isearch prompt not shown when `inhibit-message` is set to `t`

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From: Christian Schwarzgruber <c.schwarzgruber.cs <at> gmail.com>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: 27.0.50; isearch prompt not shown when `inhibit-message` is set to `t`
Date: Mon, 28 May 2018 17:20:35 +0200

Hello Everybody!

(setq inhibit-message t) hides isearch prompt. Is this defined behavior
or a bug?

Thank you!

regards,
Christian

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Message #8 received at 31627 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Robert Pluim <rpluim <at> gmail.com>
To: Christian Schwarzgruber <c.schwarzgruber.cs <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 31627 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#31627: 27.0.50;
 isearch prompt not shown when `inhibit-message` is set to `t`
Date: Mon, 28 May 2018 18:01:32 +0200

Christian Schwarzgruber <c.schwarzgruber.cs <at> gmail.com> writes:

> Hello Everybody!
>
> (setq inhibit-message t) hides isearch prompt. Is this defined behavior
> or a bug?

Good question. 26.1 and 25.3 behave the same way, but itʼs certainly
unexpected behaviour to me (and not described in the docstring for
isearch-forward).

Robert

Message #11 received at 31627 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Tino Calancha <tino.calancha <at> gmail.com>
To: Christian Schwarzgruber <c.schwarzgruber.cs <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 31627 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#31627: 27.0.50;
 isearch prompt not shown when `inhibit-message` is set to `t`
Date: Tue, 29 May 2018 14:17:07 +0900

Christian Schwarzgruber <c.schwarzgruber.cs <at> gmail.com> writes:

> Hello Everybody!
>
> (setq inhibit-message t) hides isearch prompt. Is this defined behavior
> or a bug?
Its use is not intended to be set globally by users, because you don't
want to suppress all the calls to `message'; `message' is a common way
for Emacs to talk with its users, ask them for input or whatever.
Maybe something could be added in its docstring to make the point clear.

This var is mainly used by package developers in a controlled way:
typically by locally let-binding it around an expression.  For example,
imagine the package `foo' having an user option
`foo-verbose' to display/suppress not very important messages:

(defcustom foo-verbose t
  "If nil, suppress some messages"
  :type 'boolean
  :group 'foo)

(defun foo-set-vars ()
  (message "Setting package variables!")
  (setq foo-mint 100)
  (setq foo-star -1))

(defun foo-start ()
  (foo-procastinate-response)
  (message "Initialisation complete!"))
  
(defun foo-initialize ()
  (let ((inhibit-message (not verbose)))
    (foo-set-vars)
    (foo-start)))

That would be OK.
Another typical use is to suppress garbage messages
when writing tests.

Message #14 received at 31627 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Christian Schwarzgruber <c.schwarzgruber.cs <at> gmail.com>
To: Tino Calancha <tino.calancha <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 31627 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#31627: 27.0.50;
 isearch prompt not shown when `inhibit-message` is set to `t`
Date: Tue, 29 May 2018 07:37:37 +0200

Thank you for clarification!

With that "docstring" things are now clear to me.

-Christian

Tino Calancha <tino.calancha <at> gmail.com> writes:

> Christian Schwarzgruber <c.schwarzgruber.cs <at> gmail.com> writes:
>
>> Hello Everybody!
>>
>> (setq inhibit-message t) hides isearch prompt. Is this defined behavior
>> or a bug?
> Its use is not intended to be set globally by users, because you don't
> want to suppress all the calls to `message'; `message' is a common way
> for Emacs to talk with its users, ask them for input or whatever.
> Maybe something could be added in its docstring to make the point clear.
>
> This var is mainly used by package developers in a controlled way:
> typically by locally let-binding it around an expression.  For example,
> imagine the package `foo' having an user option
> `foo-verbose' to display/suppress not very important messages:
>
> (defcustom foo-verbose t
>   "If nil, suppress some messages"
>   :type 'boolean
>   :group 'foo)
>
> (defun foo-set-vars ()
>   (message "Setting package variables!")
>   (setq foo-mint 100)
>   (setq foo-star -1))
>
> (defun foo-start ()
>   (foo-procastinate-response)
>   (message "Initialisation complete!"))
>
> (defun foo-initialize ()
>   (let ((inhibit-message (not verbose)))
>     (foo-set-vars)
>     (foo-start)))
>
> That would be OK.
> Another typical use is to suppress garbage messages
> when writing tests.

Message #19 received at 31627-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Christian Schwarzgruber <c.schwarzgruber.cs <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 31627-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org, tino.calancha <at> gmail.com
Subject: Re: bug#31627: 27.0.50;
 isearch prompt not shown when `inhibit-message` is set to `t`
Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2018 14:10:12 +0300

> From: Christian Schwarzgruber <c.schwarzgruber.cs <at> gmail.com>
> Date: Tue, 29 May 2018 07:37:37 +0200
> Cc: 31627 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> 
> Thank you for clarification!
> 
> With that "docstring" things are now clear to me.

I added the warning to the doc string, and I'm therefore closing the
bug.

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