From unknown Sun Jun 22 07:48:12 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#31613: 27.0; `with-silent-modifications' in Elisp manual Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 28 May 2018 03:39:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 31613 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 31613@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.152747874030841 (code B ref -1); Mon, 28 May 2018 03:39:03 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 May 2018 03:39:00 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51427 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fN8zr-00081M-V8 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 27 May 2018 23:39:00 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:43205) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fN8zp-000814-Lr for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 27 May 2018 23:38:58 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fN8zj-0004u5-H5 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 27 May 2018 23:38:52 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:37088) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fN8zj-0004tp-Dn for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 27 May 2018 23:38:51 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:34162) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fN8zi-0002GH-6o for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 27 May 2018 23:38:51 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fN8zf-0004rg-47 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 27 May 2018 23:38:50 -0400 Received: from userp2130.oracle.com ([156.151.31.86]:43904) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fN8ze-0004rD-PK for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 27 May 2018 23:38:47 -0400 Received: from pps.filterd (userp2130.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp2130.oracle.com (8.16.0.22/8.16.0.22) with SMTP id w4S3awqa156620 for ; Mon, 28 May 2018 03:38:45 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : subject : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2017-10-26; bh=ke0v81wC3sn42aWMYXFOhAQJP4BEzlIiMO+iysqbKCM=; b=YCz0UYKYJEumVVimzzWGhfDH4lpi3ov6PakWzwfT+fwnx/RZvgUIZ5HjlR7jFZUlKW5G 6Oe7Dd45qLrMWtPDlOiuCTMqj6Q781Ik1T57irGdeadCmvO/hnVQ7PMWOUU0fTG8n1jq N18CNEgwi6HotVTJBKEupwdsKi0YEVloL1wsZbOhMPGV4T9J5oXBN0RKEEryNLzp+Q30 UNbAnu1xhQnuLCdA6xHGsJGatJLoI+ZW3RHRdjy6vLCr7omYfe6ZzTHNuuJhbycjInAe gkh5yAx6Ad/4cC+a6O0THRThe/N0PjIIzErUQ2n+GMCEDIKpJe6hec/0NWj3cm6wlxYZ qA== Received: from userv0022.oracle.com (userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74]) by userp2130.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2j6y183xfa-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Mon, 28 May 2018 03:38:45 +0000 Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by userv0022.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id w4S3cibS032430 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Mon, 28 May 2018 03:38:44 GMT Received: from abhmp0005.oracle.com (abhmp0005.oracle.com [141.146.116.11]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id w4S3ciHi026664 for ; Mon, 28 May 2018 03:38:44 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <11a4128b-968e-452e-855f-64c797fa0072@default> Date: Sun, 27 May 2018 20:38:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4690.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5900 definitions=8906 signatures=668702 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=1 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1711220000 definitions=main-1805280042 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) 1. The Elisp manual mentions this macro only in node `Changing Properties'. The macro is not specific to the use case of adding or removing text properties without marking the buffer as modified. Seems like it should be described accurately somewhere (else). 2. The English should be corrected. This text: "If you wish to add or remove text properties to a buffer..." should be something like this: "If you wish to add text properties to a buffer or remove them from a buffer..." In GNU Emacs 27.0.50 (build 3, x86_64-w64-mingw32) of 2018-03-21 Repository revision: e70d0c9e66d7a8609450b2889869d16aeb0363b5 Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 6.1.7601 Configured using: `configure --without-dbus --host=3Dx86_64-w64-mingw32 --without-compress-install -C 'CFLAGS=3D-O2 -static -g3'' From unknown Sun Jun 22 07:48:12 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.505 (Entity 5.505) X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (GNU bug Tracking System) To: Drew Adams Subject: bug#31613: closed (Re: bug#31613: 27.0; `with-silent-modifications' in Elisp manual) Message-ID: References: <83muwdeb2b.fsf@gnu.org> <11a4128b-968e-452e-855f-64c797fa0072@default> X-Gnu-PR-Message: they-closed 31613 X-Gnu-PR-Package: emacs Reply-To: 31613@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2018 10:30:03 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1527935403-26403-1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1527935403-26403-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Your bug report #31613: 27.0; `with-silent-modifications' in Elisp manual which was filed against the emacs package, has been closed. The explanation is attached below, along with your original report. If you require more details, please reply to 31613@debbugs.gnu.org. --=20 31613: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D31613 GNU Bug Tracking System Contact help-debbugs@gnu.org with problems ------------=_1527935403-26403-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at 31613-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Jun 2018 10:29:25 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58394 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fP3mm-0006qg-Vc for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2018 06:29:25 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:36468) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fP3mk-0006qP-PL for 31613-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2018 06:29:23 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fP3mc-0003Mz-Ec for 31613-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2018 06:29:17 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:43906) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fP3mc-0003Mv-Ao; Sat, 02 Jun 2018 06:29:14 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2107 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1fP3mb-0007PZ-7i; Sat, 02 Jun 2018 06:29:13 -0400 Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2018 13:29:16 +0300 Message-Id: <83muwdeb2b.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Drew Adams In-reply-to: <11a4128b-968e-452e-855f-64c797fa0072@default> (message from Drew Adams on Sun, 27 May 2018 20:38:43 -0700 (PDT)) Subject: Re: bug#31613: 27.0; `with-silent-modifications' in Elisp manual References: <11a4128b-968e-452e-855f-64c797fa0072@default> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 31613-done Cc: 31613-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) > Date: Sun, 27 May 2018 20:38:43 -0700 (PDT) > From: Drew Adams > > 1. The Elisp manual mentions this macro only in node `Changing > Properties'. The macro is not specific to the use case of adding or > removing text properties without marking the buffer as modified. > > Seems like it should be described accurately somewhere (else). I added its description to where buffer modification is described. > 2. The English should be corrected. This text: > > "If you wish to add or remove text properties to a buffer..." > > should be something like this: > > "If you wish to add text properties to a buffer or remove them from a > buffer..." Fixed. 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The Elisp manual mentions this macro only in node `Changing Properties'. The macro is not specific to the use case of adding or removing text properties without marking the buffer as modified. Seems like it should be described accurately somewhere (else). 2. The English should be corrected. This text: "If you wish to add or remove text properties to a buffer..." should be something like this: "If you wish to add text properties to a buffer or remove them from a buffer..." In GNU Emacs 27.0.50 (build 3, x86_64-w64-mingw32) of 2018-03-21 Repository revision: e70d0c9e66d7a8609450b2889869d16aeb0363b5 Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 6.1.7601 Configured using: `configure --without-dbus --host=3Dx86_64-w64-mingw32 --without-compress-install -C 'CFLAGS=3D-O2 -static -g3'' ------------=_1527935403-26403-1--