From unknown Fri Sep 05 11:00:39 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#31589: lispintro - Backtrace read out update Resent-From: Van L Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 25 May 2018 03:33:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 31589 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 31589@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.15272191445973 (code B ref -1); Fri, 25 May 2018 03:33:01 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 May 2018 03:32:24 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47195 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fM3So-0001YG-E7 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 24 May 2018 23:32:24 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:35132) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fM3Sm-0001Y3-8x for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 24 May 2018 23:32:20 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fM3Sg-0003Nz-99 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 24 May 2018 23:32:15 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:43084) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fM3Sg-0003Ns-6J for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 24 May 2018 23:32:14 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:54331) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fM3Sf-0006RY-6t for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 24 May 2018 23:32:13 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fM3Sb-0003M1-8t for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 24 May 2018 23:32:13 -0400 Received: from relay7-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.200]:60339) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fM3Sb-0003KU-2G for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 24 May 2018 23:32:09 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 123.243.244.176 Received: from epi.local (123-243-244-176.tpgi.com.au [123.243.244.176]) (Authenticated sender: van@scratch.space) by relay7-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5400C2000D for ; Fri, 25 May 2018 05:32:11 +0200 (CEST) From: Van L Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <1A9F2814-EBF9-4A75-8A1C-790DE1BFDE0A@scratch.space> Date: Fri, 25 May 2018 13:32:02 +1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.3 (----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.3 (-----) Hello. The documentation and behavior are different. diff --git a/doc/lispintro/emacs-lisp-intro.texi = b/doc/lispintro/emacs-lisp-intro.texi index b79432e..a3a2155 100644 --- a/doc/lispintro/emacs-lisp-intro.texi +++ b/doc/lispintro/emacs-lisp-intro.texi @@ -1339,10 +1339,12 @@ Making Errors ---------- Buffer: *Backtrace* ---------- Debugger entered--Lisp error: (void-function this) (this is an unquoted list) - eval((this is an unquoted list)) - eval-last-sexp-1(nil) + eval((this is an unquoted list) nil) + elisp--eval-last-sexp(nil) eval-last-sexp(nil) - call-interactively(eval-last-sexp) + funcall-interactively(eval-last-sexp nil) + call-interactively(eval-last-sexp nil nil) + command-execute(eval-last-sexp) ---------- Buffer: *Backtrace* ---------- @end group @end smallexample= From unknown Fri Sep 05 11:00:39 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#31589: Acknowledgement (lispintro - Backtrace read out update) Resent-From: Van L Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 25 May 2018 04:22:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 31589 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 31589@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 31589-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B31589.152722209410250 (code B ref 31589); Fri, 25 May 2018 04:22:02 +0000 Received: (at 31589) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 May 2018 04:21:34 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47226 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fM4EP-0002fG-Ra for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 25 May 2018 00:21:34 -0400 Received: from relay4-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.196]:48409) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fM4EN-0002f6-8o for 31589@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 25 May 2018 00:21:31 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 123.243.244.176 Received: from epi.local (123-243-244-176.tpgi.com.au [123.243.244.176]) (Authenticated sender: van@scratch.space) by relay4-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 06E6AE0002 for <31589@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 25 May 2018 06:21:30 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: Van L In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 25 May 2018 14:21:24 +1000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <1A9F2814-EBF9-4A75-8A1C-790DE1BFDE0A@scratch.space> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) In the example given, I think if the first atom of the list is = `this-here=E2=80=99, as in: (this-here is an unquoted list) explained in the context of `(void-function this-here)=E2=80=99 stands = out distinctly from other uses of `this=E2=80=99 in the surrounding = text. : 8cda6f8f (Glenn Morris 2007-09-06 1318) (this is an = unquoted list)= From unknown Fri Sep 05 11:00:39 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.505 (Entity 5.505) X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (GNU bug Tracking System) To: Van L Subject: bug#31589: closed (Re: bug#31589: lispintro - Backtrace read out update) Message-ID: References: <83bmd49lm0.fsf@gnu.org> <1A9F2814-EBF9-4A75-8A1C-790DE1BFDE0A@scratch.space> X-Gnu-PR-Message: they-closed 31589 X-Gnu-PR-Package: emacs Reply-To: 31589@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Fri, 25 May 2018 08:38:02 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1527237482-652-1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1527237482-652-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Your bug report #31589: lispintro - Backtrace read out update which was filed against the emacs package, has been closed. The explanation is attached below, along with your original report. If you require more details, please reply to 31589@debbugs.gnu.org. --=20 31589: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D31589 GNU Bug Tracking System Contact help-debbugs@gnu.org with problems ------------=_1527237482-652-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at 31589-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 May 2018 08:37:42 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47342 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fM8EI-00009y-8y for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 25 May 2018 04:37:42 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:51553) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fM8EG-00009l-Vk for 31589-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 25 May 2018 04:37:41 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fM8E7-0000YQ-Mv for 31589-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 25 May 2018 04:37:35 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:53749) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fM8E7-0000YF-JA; Fri, 25 May 2018 04:37:31 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1462 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1fM8E7-0002Q0-0i; Fri, 25 May 2018 04:37:31 -0400 Date: Fri, 25 May 2018 11:37:43 +0300 Message-Id: <83bmd49lm0.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Van L In-reply-to: <1A9F2814-EBF9-4A75-8A1C-790DE1BFDE0A@scratch.space> (message from Van L on Fri, 25 May 2018 13:32:02 +1000) Subject: Re: bug#31589: lispintro - Backtrace read out update References: <1A9F2814-EBF9-4A75-8A1C-790DE1BFDE0A@scratch.space> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 31589-done Cc: 31589-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) > From: Van L > Date: Fri, 25 May 2018 13:32:02 +1000 > > The documentation and behavior are different. Thanks, fixed. ------------=_1527237482-652-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 May 2018 03:32:24 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47195 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fM3So-0001YG-E7 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 24 May 2018 23:32:24 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:35132) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fM3Sm-0001Y3-8x for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 24 May 2018 23:32:20 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fM3Sg-0003Nz-99 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 24 May 2018 23:32:15 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:43084) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fM3Sg-0003Ns-6J for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 24 May 2018 23:32:14 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:54331) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fM3Sf-0006RY-6t for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 24 May 2018 23:32:13 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fM3Sb-0003M1-8t for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 24 May 2018 23:32:13 -0400 Received: from relay7-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.200]:60339) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fM3Sb-0003KU-2G for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 24 May 2018 23:32:09 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 123.243.244.176 Received: from epi.local (123-243-244-176.tpgi.com.au [123.243.244.176]) (Authenticated sender: van@scratch.space) by relay7-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5400C2000D for ; Fri, 25 May 2018 05:32:11 +0200 (CEST) From: Van L Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: lispintro - Backtrace read out update Message-Id: <1A9F2814-EBF9-4A75-8A1C-790DE1BFDE0A@scratch.space> Date: Fri, 25 May 2018 13:32:02 +1000 To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.3 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.3 (-----) Hello. The documentation and behavior are different. diff --git a/doc/lispintro/emacs-lisp-intro.texi = b/doc/lispintro/emacs-lisp-intro.texi index b79432e..a3a2155 100644 --- a/doc/lispintro/emacs-lisp-intro.texi +++ b/doc/lispintro/emacs-lisp-intro.texi @@ -1339,10 +1339,12 @@ Making Errors ---------- Buffer: *Backtrace* ---------- Debugger entered--Lisp error: (void-function this) (this is an unquoted list) - eval((this is an unquoted list)) - eval-last-sexp-1(nil) + eval((this is an unquoted list) nil) + elisp--eval-last-sexp(nil) eval-last-sexp(nil) - call-interactively(eval-last-sexp) + funcall-interactively(eval-last-sexp nil) + call-interactively(eval-last-sexp nil nil) + command-execute(eval-last-sexp) ---------- Buffer: *Backtrace* ---------- @end group @end smallexample= ------------=_1527237482-652-1-- From unknown Fri Sep 05 11:00:39 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#31589: Acknowledgement (lispintro - Backtrace read out update) Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 25 May 2018 08:40:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 31589 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Van L Cc: 31589@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 31589-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B31589.1527237548792 (code B ref 31589); Fri, 25 May 2018 08:40:02 +0000 Received: (at 31589) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 May 2018 08:39:08 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47348 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fM8Fg-0000Ci-Ky for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 25 May 2018 04:39:08 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:51952) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fM8Fe-0000CW-VG for 31589@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 25 May 2018 04:39:07 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fM8FV-0001Pv-Vr for 31589@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 25 May 2018 04:39:01 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:53767) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fM8FV-0001Pl-Sm; Fri, 25 May 2018 04:38:57 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1463 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1fM8FV-00047R-6q; Fri, 25 May 2018 04:38:57 -0400 Date: Fri, 25 May 2018 11:39:10 +0300 Message-Id: <83a7so9ljl.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: (message from Van L on Fri, 25 May 2018 14:21:24 +1000) References: <1A9F2814-EBF9-4A75-8A1C-790DE1BFDE0A@scratch.space> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) > From: Van L > Date: Fri, 25 May 2018 14:21:24 +1000 > > In the example given, I think if the first atom of the list is `this-here’, as in: > > (this-here is an unquoted list) > > explained in the context of `(void-function this-here)’ stands out distinctly from other uses of `this’ in the surrounding text. > > : 8cda6f8f (Glenn Morris 2007-09-06 1318) (this is an unquoted list) Sorry, I don't understand what you are trying to say. The string "this-here" doesn't appear anywhere in this manual. And 'this' is a commonly-used symbol in these days of OOP. From unknown Fri Sep 05 11:00:39 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#31589: Acknowledgement (lispintro - Backtrace read out update) Resent-From: Van L Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 25 May 2018 09:00:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 31589 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 31589@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 31589-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B31589.152723879910350 (code B ref 31589); Fri, 25 May 2018 09:00:02 +0000 Received: (at 31589) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 May 2018 08:59:59 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47408 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fM8Zr-0002gs-EC for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 25 May 2018 04:59:59 -0400 Received: from relay10.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.178.230]:33195) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fM8Zp-0002gk-FH for 31589@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 25 May 2018 04:59:58 -0400 Received: from epi.local (123-243-244-176.tpgi.com.au [123.243.244.176]) (Authenticated sender: van@scratch.space) by relay10.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 07061240012; Fri, 25 May 2018 10:59:53 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: Van L In-Reply-To: <83a7so9ljl.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Fri, 25 May 2018 18:59:49 +1000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <49D86973-F29B-4C04-B6AE-A89D4D88828D@scratch.space> References: <1A9F2814-EBF9-4A75-8A1C-790DE1BFDE0A@scratch.space> <83a7so9ljl.fsf@gnu.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) > On 25 May 2018, at 18:39, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >=20 > And 'this' is a > commonly-used symbol in these days of OOP. Yes. That=E2=80=99s one of the two sources of confusion, the other is = the plain old English `this=E2=80=99 used in the unquoted list and = surrounding discussion. Having `this-here=E2=80=99 emphasizes the first atom of the list being = discussed as distinct from `this' in an oop sense or ordinary `this' in = a sentence. It bends over backwards more for a non-programmer. Anyway, your call.= From unknown Fri Sep 05 11:00:39 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#31589: Acknowledgement (lispintro - Backtrace read out update) Resent-From: Phil Sainty Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 25 May 2018 09:59:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 31589 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Van L Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 31589@debbugs.gnu.org, bug-gnu-emacs Received: via spool by 31589-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B31589.152724232915563 (code B ref 31589); Fri, 25 May 2018 09:59:02 +0000 Received: (at 31589) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 May 2018 09:58:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47460 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fM9Um-00042x-VG for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 25 May 2018 05:58:49 -0400 Received: from smtp-1.orcon.net.nz ([60.234.4.34]:52596) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fM9Uk-00042m-0y for 31589@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 25 May 2018 05:58:47 -0400 Received: from [10.253.37.70] (port=35956 helo=webmail.orcon.net.nz) by smtp-1.orcon.net.nz with esmtpa (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fM9Ug-0003Ze-7H; Fri, 25 May 2018 21:58:42 +1200 Received: from wlgwil-nat-office.catalyst.net.nz ([202.78.240.7]) via [10.253.37.253] by webmail.orcon.net.nz with HTTP (HTTP/1.1 POST); Fri, 25 May 2018 21:58:42 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Fri, 25 May 2018 21:58:42 +1200 From: Phil Sainty In-Reply-To: <49D86973-F29B-4C04-B6AE-A89D4D88828D@scratch.space> References: <1A9F2814-EBF9-4A75-8A1C-790DE1BFDE0A@scratch.space> <83a7so9ljl.fsf@gnu.org> <49D86973-F29B-4C04-B6AE-A89D4D88828D@scratch.space> Message-ID: <25cf907d50df80056208670922c9d570@webmail.orcon.net.nz> X-Sender: psainty@orcon.net.nz User-Agent: Orcon Webmail X-GeoIP: -- X-Spam_score: -2.9 X-Spam_score_int: -28 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) On 2018-05-25 20:59, Van L wrote: > Having `this-here’ emphasizes the first atom of the list being > discussed as distinct from `this' in an oop sense or ordinary `this' > in a sentence. It bends over backwards more for a non-programmer. A bit awkward, though? I think "(here is an unquoted list)" would be nicer than that, if such a change was to be made. From unknown Fri Sep 05 11:00:39 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#31589: Acknowledgement (lispintro - Backtrace read out update) Resent-From: Van L Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 25 May 2018 10:39:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 31589 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Phil Sainty Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 31589@debbugs.gnu.org, bug-gnu-emacs Received: via spool by 31589-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B31589.152724468319515 (code B ref 31589); Fri, 25 May 2018 10:39:02 +0000 Received: (at 31589) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 May 2018 10:38:03 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47488 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fMA6l-00054h-4H for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 25 May 2018 06:38:03 -0400 Received: from relay12.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.178.232]:40907) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fMA6j-00054H-44 for 31589@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 25 May 2018 06:38:01 -0400 Received: from epi.local (123-243-244-176.tpgi.com.au [123.243.244.176]) (Authenticated sender: van@scratch.space) by relay12.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7A45A200007; Fri, 25 May 2018 12:37:56 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: Van L In-Reply-To: <25cf907d50df80056208670922c9d570@webmail.orcon.net.nz> Date: Fri, 25 May 2018 20:37:52 +1000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <552DA675-464F-43D3-8EEF-3838EED0E91F@scratch.space> References: <1A9F2814-EBF9-4A75-8A1C-790DE1BFDE0A@scratch.space> <83a7so9ljl.fsf@gnu.org> <49D86973-F29B-4C04-B6AE-A89D4D88828D@scratch.space> <25cf907d50df80056208670922c9d570@webmail.orcon.net.nz> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) > Phil Sainty writes: >=20 > Van L writes: >> Having `this-here=E2=80=99 emphasizes the first atom of the list = being >> discussed as distinct from `this' in an oop sense or ordinary `this' >> in a sentence. It bends over backwards more for a non-programmer. >=20 > A bit awkward, though? >=20 > I think "(here is an unquoted list)" would be nicer than that, if > such a change was to be made. Not awkward in the following context, which has the hyphenated = `void-function=E2=80=99. (void-function this-here) Looks nicer to me. It hints of being lispy. hmmm, yeah, this works, too, and won=E2=80=99t add more. (void-function here)=