From unknown Tue Jun 17 01:48:24 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#31579: emacs-lisp-intro.texi - line 1267 - echo area shows `4 (#o4, #x4, ?\C-d)' and not just `4'. Resent-From: Van L Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 24 May 2018 10:39:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 31579 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 31579@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.15271583197669 (code B ref -1); Thu, 24 May 2018 10:39:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 May 2018 10:38:39 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46011 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fLndn-0001zd-Ct for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 24 May 2018 06:38:39 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:48672) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fLndl-0001zR-F0 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 24 May 2018 06:38:37 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fLndf-0007s6-Ar for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 24 May 2018 06:38:32 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:36774) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fLndf-0007rg-8H for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 24 May 2018 06:38:31 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:39637) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fLndd-0007Be-Vx for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 24 May 2018 06:38:30 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fLndW-0007lT-8r for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 24 May 2018 06:38:29 -0400 Received: from relay2-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.194]:50275) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fLndW-0007ih-22 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 24 May 2018 06:38:22 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 123.243.244.176 Received: from epi.local (123-243-244-176.tpgi.com.au [123.243.244.176]) (Authenticated sender: van@scratch.space) by relay2-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 02FCF4000C for ; Thu, 24 May 2018 12:38:17 +0200 (CEST) From: Van L Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: Date: Thu, 24 May 2018 20:38:12 +1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.3 (----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.3 (-----) Hello. It could say, ``You will see the number @code{4} (and other details in a = list) appear in the echo area.'' #+NAME: emacs-lisp-intro.texi #+BEGIN_EXAMPLE 8cda6f8f (Glenn Morris 2007-09-06 1257) If you are = reading this inside of GNU Emacs in Info, here is how you can 8cda6f8f (Glenn Morris 2007-09-06 1258) evaluate such a = list: place your cursor immediately after the right 8cda6f8f (Glenn Morris 2007-09-06 1259) hand = parenthesis of the following list and then type @kbd{C-x C-e}: 8cda6f8f (Glenn Morris 2007-09-06 1260)=20 8cda6f8f (Glenn Morris 2007-09-06 1261) @smallexample 8cda6f8f (Glenn Morris 2007-09-06 1262) (+ 2 2) 8cda6f8f (Glenn Morris 2007-09-06 1263) @end = smallexample 8cda6f8f (Glenn Morris 2007-09-06 1264)=20 8cda6f8f (Glenn Morris 2007-09-06 1265) @c use code for = the number four, not samp. 8cda6f8f (Glenn Morris 2007-09-06 1266) @noindent ef7dbdf5 (Paul Eggert 2015-09-15 1267) You will see the = number @code{4} appear in the echo area. (What ef7dbdf5 (Paul Eggert 2015-09-15 1268) you have just = done is evaluate the list. The echo area ef7dbdf5 (Paul Eggert 2015-09-15 1269) is the line at = the bottom of the screen that displays or echoes 8cda6f8f (Glenn Morris 2007-09-06 1270) text.) Now try = the same thing with a quoted list: place the cursor ;; `C-x C-e' produces in the echo area `4 (#o4, #x4, ?\C-d)' ;; `C-u C-x C-e' produces `4' (+ 2 2) #+END_EXAMPLE From unknown Tue Jun 17 01:48:24 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.505 (Entity 5.505) X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (GNU bug Tracking System) To: Van L Subject: bug#31579: closed (Re: bug#31579: emacs-lisp-intro.texi - line 1267 - echo area shows `4 (#o4, #x4, ?\C-d)' and not just `4'.) Message-ID: References: <83d0xlatd9.fsf@gnu.org> X-Gnu-PR-Message: they-closed 31579 X-Gnu-PR-Package: emacs Reply-To: 31579@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Thu, 24 May 2018 16:53:02 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1527180782-16101-1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1527180782-16101-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Your bug report #31579: emacs-lisp-intro.texi - line 1267 - echo area shows `4 (#o4, #x4, ?= \C-d)' and not just `4'. which was filed against the emacs package, has been closed. The explanation is attached below, along with your original report. If you require more details, please reply to 31579@debbugs.gnu.org. --=20 31579: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D31579 GNU Bug Tracking System Contact help-debbugs@gnu.org with problems ------------=_1527180782-16101-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at 31579-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 May 2018 16:52:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46701 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fLtTf-0004B3-AX for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 24 May 2018 12:52:35 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:51468) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fLtTd-0004Ar-2w for 31579-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 24 May 2018 12:52:33 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fLtTU-0008A6-QS for 31579-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 24 May 2018 12:52:28 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:38760) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fLtTU-00089r-KB; Thu, 24 May 2018 12:52:24 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3968 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1fLtTU-0005vo-3D; Thu, 24 May 2018 12:52:24 -0400 Date: Thu, 24 May 2018 19:52:34 +0300 Message-Id: <83d0xlatd9.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Van L In-reply-to: (message from Van L on Thu, 24 May 2018 20:38:12 +1000) Subject: Re: bug#31579: emacs-lisp-intro.texi - line 1267 - echo area shows `4 (#o4, #x4, ?\C-d)' and not just `4'. References: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 31579-done Cc: 31579-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) > From: Van L > Date: Thu, 24 May 2018 20:38:12 +1000 > > It could say, ``You will see the number @code{4} (and other details in a list) appear in the echo area.'' I preferred to describe the other details in a footnote, so that the text sounds less vague, and thus runs a lower risk of confusing people. (The original text evidently wasn't updated when the display of integer evaluation was changed sometimes during the Emacs 20.x series.) Thanks. ------------=_1527180782-16101-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 May 2018 10:38:39 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46011 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fLndn-0001zd-Ct for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 24 May 2018 06:38:39 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:48672) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fLndl-0001zR-F0 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 24 May 2018 06:38:37 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fLndf-0007s6-Ar for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 24 May 2018 06:38:32 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:36774) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fLndf-0007rg-8H for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 24 May 2018 06:38:31 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:39637) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fLndd-0007Be-Vx for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 24 May 2018 06:38:30 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fLndW-0007lT-8r for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 24 May 2018 06:38:29 -0400 Received: from relay2-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.194]:50275) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fLndW-0007ih-22 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 24 May 2018 06:38:22 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 123.243.244.176 Received: from epi.local (123-243-244-176.tpgi.com.au [123.243.244.176]) (Authenticated sender: van@scratch.space) by relay2-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 02FCF4000C for ; Thu, 24 May 2018 12:38:17 +0200 (CEST) From: Van L Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: emacs-lisp-intro.texi - line 1267 - echo area shows `4 (#o4, #x4, ?\C-d)' and not just `4'. Message-Id: Date: Thu, 24 May 2018 20:38:12 +1000 To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.3 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.3 (-----) Hello. It could say, ``You will see the number @code{4} (and other details in a = list) appear in the echo area.'' #+NAME: emacs-lisp-intro.texi #+BEGIN_EXAMPLE 8cda6f8f (Glenn Morris 2007-09-06 1257) If you are = reading this inside of GNU Emacs in Info, here is how you can 8cda6f8f (Glenn Morris 2007-09-06 1258) evaluate such a = list: place your cursor immediately after the right 8cda6f8f (Glenn Morris 2007-09-06 1259) hand = parenthesis of the following list and then type @kbd{C-x C-e}: 8cda6f8f (Glenn Morris 2007-09-06 1260)=20 8cda6f8f (Glenn Morris 2007-09-06 1261) @smallexample 8cda6f8f (Glenn Morris 2007-09-06 1262) (+ 2 2) 8cda6f8f (Glenn Morris 2007-09-06 1263) @end = smallexample 8cda6f8f (Glenn Morris 2007-09-06 1264)=20 8cda6f8f (Glenn Morris 2007-09-06 1265) @c use code for = the number four, not samp. 8cda6f8f (Glenn Morris 2007-09-06 1266) @noindent ef7dbdf5 (Paul Eggert 2015-09-15 1267) You will see the = number @code{4} appear in the echo area. (What ef7dbdf5 (Paul Eggert 2015-09-15 1268) you have just = done is evaluate the list. The echo area ef7dbdf5 (Paul Eggert 2015-09-15 1269) is the line at = the bottom of the screen that displays or echoes 8cda6f8f (Glenn Morris 2007-09-06 1270) text.) Now try = the same thing with a quoted list: place the cursor ;; `C-x C-e' produces in the echo area `4 (#o4, #x4, ?\C-d)' ;; `C-u C-x C-e' produces `4' (+ 2 2) #+END_EXAMPLE ------------=_1527180782-16101-1-- From unknown Tue Jun 17 01:48:24 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#31579: emacs-lisp-intro.texi - line 1267 - echo area shows `4 (#o4, #x4, ?\C-d)' and not just `4'. Resent-From: Van L Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 24 May 2018 23:57:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 31579 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 31579-done@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 31579-done@debbugs.gnu.org id=D31579.15272062014173 (code D ref 31579); Thu, 24 May 2018 23:57:02 +0000 Received: (at 31579-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 May 2018 23:56:41 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47060 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fM065-00015F-4r for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 24 May 2018 19:56:41 -0400 Received: from relay2-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.194]:51247) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fM063-000154-7u for 31579-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 24 May 2018 19:56:39 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 123.243.244.176 Received: from epi.local (123-243-244-176.tpgi.com.au [123.243.244.176]) (Authenticated sender: van@scratch.space) by relay2-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 10E5C4000A; Fri, 25 May 2018 01:56:36 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: Van L In-Reply-To: <83d0xlatd9.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Fri, 25 May 2018 09:56:31 +1000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: References: <83d0xlatd9.fsf@gnu.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > I preferred to describe the other details in a footnote Footnotes are fun places.