GNU bug report logs - #31579
emacs-lisp-intro.texi - line 1267 - echo area shows `4 (#o4, #x4, ?\C-d)' and not just `4'.

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From: Van L <van <at> scratch.space>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: emacs-lisp-intro.texi - line 1267 - echo area shows `4 (#o4, #x4,
 ?\C-d)' and not just `4'.
Date: Thu, 24 May 2018 20:38:12 +1000

Hello.

It could say, ``You will see the number @code{4} (and other details in a list) appear in the echo area.''

  #+NAME: emacs-lisp-intro.texi
  #+BEGIN_EXAMPLE

    8cda6f8f (Glenn Morris             2007-09-06  1257) If you are reading this inside of GNU Emacs in Info, here is how you can
    8cda6f8f (Glenn Morris             2007-09-06  1258) evaluate such a list:  place your cursor immediately after the right
    8cda6f8f (Glenn Morris             2007-09-06  1259) hand parenthesis of the following list and then type @kbd{C-x C-e}:
    8cda6f8f (Glenn Morris             2007-09-06  1260) 
    8cda6f8f (Glenn Morris             2007-09-06  1261) @smallexample
    8cda6f8f (Glenn Morris             2007-09-06  1262) (+ 2 2)
    8cda6f8f (Glenn Morris             2007-09-06  1263) @end smallexample
    8cda6f8f (Glenn Morris             2007-09-06  1264) 
    8cda6f8f (Glenn Morris             2007-09-06  1265) @c use code for the number four, not samp.
    8cda6f8f (Glenn Morris             2007-09-06  1266) @noindent
  ef7dbdf5 (Paul Eggert              2015-09-15  1267) You will see the number @code{4} appear in the echo area.  (What
    ef7dbdf5 (Paul Eggert              2015-09-15  1268) you have just done is evaluate the list.  The echo area
    ef7dbdf5 (Paul Eggert              2015-09-15  1269) is the line at the bottom of the screen that displays or echoes
    8cda6f8f (Glenn Morris             2007-09-06  1270) text.)  Now try the same thing with a quoted list:  place the cursor

    ;; `C-x C-e' produces in the echo area `4 (#o4, #x4, ?\C-d)'
    ;; `C-u C-x C-e' produces `4'
    (+ 2 2)

  #+END_EXAMPLE

Message #10 received at 31579-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Van L <van <at> scratch.space>
Cc: 31579-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#31579: emacs-lisp-intro.texi - line 1267 - echo area shows `4
 (#o4, #x4, ?\C-d)' and not just `4'.
Date: Thu, 24 May 2018 19:52:34 +0300

> From: Van L <van <at> scratch.space>
> Date: Thu, 24 May 2018 20:38:12 +1000
> 
> It could say, ``You will see the number @code{4} (and other details in a list) appear in the echo area.''

I preferred to describe the other details in a footnote, so that the
text sounds less vague, and thus runs a lower risk of confusing
people.

(The original text evidently wasn't updated when the display of
integer evaluation was changed sometimes during the Emacs 20.x
series.)

Thanks.

Message #13 received at 31579-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Van L <van <at> scratch.space>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 31579-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#31579: emacs-lisp-intro.texi - line 1267 - echo area shows `4
 (#o4, #x4, ?\C-d)' and not just `4'.
Date: Fri, 25 May 2018 09:56:31 +1000

> Eli Zaretskii writes:
> 
> I preferred to describe the other details in a footnote

Footnotes are fun places.

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