GNU bug report logs - #31571
Regarding Emacs Learning Resources

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From: "Vikas from Hackr.io" <vikas <at> hackr.io>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: Regarding Emacs Learning Resources
Date: Wed, 23 May 2018 21:25:55 +0530

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 Hello,

I see you have some useful resources for learning Emacs on your website -
https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/tour/. Myself Vikas, and i work as a
community manager at Hackr.io.

Hackr.io's is a platform where the programming community curated learning
resources. Example: For Emacs - https://hackr.io/tutorials/learn-emacs

Requesting you include add the above curated emacs learning resources on
your website. Thanks for your time!

Regards,
Vikas Kalwani
Community Manager
Hackr.io <http://hackr.io/>

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Message #8 received at 31571 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Richard Stallman <rms <at> gnu.org>
To: "Vikas from Hackr.io" <vikas <at> hackr.io>
Cc: 31571 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#31571: Regarding Emacs Learning Resources
Date: Wed, 23 May 2018 22:56:01 -0400

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  > Hackr.io's is a platform where the programming community curated learning
  > resources. Example: For Emacs - https://hackr.io/tutorials/learn-emacs

Could you please tell me what license that carries?
We think that the choice of license is vitally important for ethical reasons.

-- 
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President, Free Software Foundation (https://gnu.org, https://fsf.org)
Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)

Message #11 received at 31571 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Robert Pluim <rpluim <at> gmail.com>
To: Richard Stallman <rms <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 31571 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, "Vikas from Hackr.io" <vikas <at> hackr.io>
Subject: Re: bug#31571: Regarding Emacs Learning Resources
Date: Thu, 24 May 2018 11:41:29 +0200

Richard Stallman <rms <at> gnu.org> writes:

> [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider    ]]]
> [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies,     ]]]
> [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]]
>
>   > Hackr.io's is a platform where the programming community curated learning
>   > resources. Example: For Emacs - https://hackr.io/tutorials/learn-emacs
>
> Could you please tell me what license that carries?
> We think that the choice of license is vitally important for ethical reasons.

Itʼs a curated list of pointers to resources for learning emacs,
hackr.io doesnʼt host them, so the question of license doesnʼt arise.

Robert

Message #14 received at 31571 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Richard Stallman <rms <at> gnu.org>
To: Robert Pluim <rpluim <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 31571 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, vikas <at> hackr.io
Subject: Re: bug#31571: Regarding Emacs Learning Resources
Date: Thu, 24 May 2018 22:58:07 -0400

[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider    ]]]
[[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies,     ]]]
[[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]]

  > Itʼs a curated list of pointers to resources for learning emacs,
  > hackr.io doesnʼt host them, so the question of license doesnʼt arise.

I see.  Thanks.

-- 
Dr Richard Stallman
President, Free Software Foundation (https://gnu.org, https://fsf.org)
Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)

Message #17 received at 31571 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>
To: "Vikas from Hackr.io" <vikas <at> hackr.io>
Cc: 31571 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#31571: Regarding Emacs Learning Resources
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 04:00:34 +0200

"Vikas from Hackr.io" <vikas <at> hackr.io> writes:

> Hello,
>
> I see you have some useful resources for learning Emacs on your website - https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/tour/. Myself Vikas, and i work as a community manager at Hackr.io.
>
> Hackr.io's is a platform where the programming community curated learning resources. Example: For Emacs - https://hackr.io/tutorials/learn-emacs
>
> Requesting you include add the above curated emacs learning resources on your website. Thanks for your time!

I had a look at these links.

The only thing which really stands out as being absolutely worthy of
addition is emacsrocks.com.  The other links had a lot of redundant
material (already mentioned in the guide), were paid resources, or
simply didn't look very professional or high quality.

On the other hand emacsrocks.com is already mentioned on the front
page of the official Emacs web site, so it might be redundant.

https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/

All of this is completely subjective, of course.  But I suggest to add
the emacsrocks.com web site and close this.

Thanks,
Stefan Kangas

Message #20 received at 31571 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>
Cc: 31571 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, vikas <at> hackr.io
Subject: Re: bug#31571: Regarding Emacs Learning Resources
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 17:55:47 +0300

> From: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>
> Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 04:00:34 +0200
> Cc: 31571 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> 
> The only thing which really stands out as being absolutely worthy of
> addition is emacsrocks.com.  The other links had a lot of redundant
> material (already mentioned in the guide), were paid resources, or
> simply didn't look very professional or high quality.
> 
> On the other hand emacsrocks.com is already mentioned on the front
> page of the official Emacs web site, so it might be redundant.
> 
> https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/
> 
> All of this is completely subjective, of course.  But I suggest to add
> the emacsrocks.com web site and close this.

Not sure I understand: where do you suggest to add a reference to
emacsrocks, given that it's already mentioned on the Emacs Web site?

Message #23 received at 31571 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 31571 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, "Vikas from Hackr.io" <vikas <at> hackr.io>
Subject: Re: bug#31571: Regarding Emacs Learning Resources
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 09:09:34 +0200

Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:

> > The only thing which really stands out as being absolutely worthy of
> > addition is emacsrocks.com.  The other links had a lot of redundant
> > material (already mentioned in the guide), were paid resources, or
> > simply didn't look very professional or high quality.
> >
> > On the other hand emacsrocks.com is already mentioned on the front
> > page of the official Emacs web site, so it might be redundant.
> >
> > https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/
> >
> > All of this is completely subjective, of course.  But I suggest to add
> > the emacsrocks.com web site and close this.
>
> Not sure I understand: where do you suggest to add a reference to
> emacsrocks, given that it's already mentioned on the Emacs Web site?

Sorry if I wasn't clear enough.

The original bug report suggested that we add a number of links to
"A Guided Tour of Emacs", available at:

    https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/tour/

Having reviewed the suggested links, I conclude that the only one
suitable for addition out of the list of suggested links would be
emacsrocks.com.  Even that might be redundant since it's already
on the main page of Emacs.

In my opinion we should therefore do one of two things here:

1. Do nothing; close this as wontfix.
2. Add a link to emacsrocks.com to "A Guided Tour of Emacs".

I think either alternative is fine.

Thanks,
Stefan Kangas

Message #26 received at 31571 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 31571 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, "Vikas from Hackr.io" <vikas <at> hackr.io>
Subject: Re: bug#31571: Regarding Emacs Learning Resources
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 09:18:48 +0200

Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se> writes:

> The original bug report suggested that we add a number of links to
> "A Guided Tour of Emacs", available at:
>
>     https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/tour/

While re-reading more carefully, I realized the original bug report actually
says "add the above curated emacs learning resources on your website".

One could perhaps say we have already considered the links, included the only
suitable link, and that we can therefore close this (without the wontfix tag).

If there are no objections, I'll do that in a couple of days.

Thanks,
Stefan Kangas

Message #29 received at 31571 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>
Cc: 31571 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, vikas <at> hackr.io
Subject: Re: bug#31571: Regarding Emacs Learning Resources
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 17:22:30 +0300

> From: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>
> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 09:18:48 +0200
> Cc: "Vikas from Hackr.io" <vikas <at> hackr.io>, 31571 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> 
> One could perhaps say we have already considered the links, included the only
> suitable link, and that we can therefore close this (without the wontfix tag).

Sounds good, thanks.

Message #34 received at 31571-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 31571-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org, "Vikas from Hackr.io" <vikas <at> hackr.io>
Subject: Re: bug#31571: Regarding Emacs Learning Resources
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2019 10:29:09 +0200

Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:

> > One could perhaps say we have already considered the links, included the only
> > suitable link, and that we can therefore close this (without the wontfix tag).
>
> Sounds good, thanks.

OK, done.

Thanks,
Stefan Kangas

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