From unknown Mon Jun 23 18:32:05 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#31167: 27.0.50; When the computer has no network connection, Emacs can take minutes to start Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2018 19:24:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 31167 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 31167@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.152382019125210 (code B ref -1); Sun, 15 Apr 2018 19:24:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Apr 2018 19:23:11 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54529 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f7nF1-0006YY-Ax for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 15 Apr 2018 15:23:11 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:44653) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f7nEz-0006YL-SC for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 15 Apr 2018 15:23:10 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f7nEt-0006YF-Mm for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 15 Apr 2018 15:23:04 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:54553) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f7nEt-0006Y3-Jt for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 15 Apr 2018 15:23:03 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:35614) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f7nEs-0004Fe-4S for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Apr 2018 15:23:03 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f7nEp-0006Sa-0P for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Apr 2018 15:23:02 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:38794) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f7nEo-0006RX-Pv for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Apr 2018 15:22:58 -0400 Received: from 46.67.12.60.tmi.telenormobil.no ([46.67.12.60] helo=corrigan) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f7nEk-00084t-4K for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Apr 2018 21:22:56 +0200 Received: from larsi by corrigan with local (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1f7nEe-0004rR-K7 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Apr 2018 21:22:48 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2018 21:22:48 +0200 Message-ID: <87lgdo6zqv.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) And that obviously sucks, especially when you're trying to set up a new machine. I think the way to reproduce this error is to have the network configured, but not actually working. I suspect that Emacs is doing some DNS stuff at startup that it shouldn't be doing. In GNU Emacs 27.0.50 (build 2, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.22.11) of 2018-04-15 built on corrigan Repository revision: 1ad6184c37a0e0f537688ea7d5e6ceca5f364eaa Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.11902000 System Description: Debian GNU/Linux 9 (stretch) -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From unknown Mon Jun 23 18:32:05 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#31167: 27.0.50; When the computer has no network connection, Emacs can take minutes to start Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2018 19:38:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 31167 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 31167@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 31167-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B31167.152382107426508 (code B ref 31167); Sun, 15 Apr 2018 19:38:02 +0000 Received: (at 31167) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Apr 2018 19:37:54 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54535 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f7nTG-0006tU-Me for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 15 Apr 2018 15:37:54 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:38690) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f7nTE-0006tM-K4 for 31167@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 15 Apr 2018 15:37:53 -0400 Received: from 46.67.12.60.tmi.telenormobil.no ([46.67.12.60] helo=corrigan) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f7nTB-0004kr-LQ for 31167@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 15 Apr 2018 21:37:51 +0200 Received: from larsi by corrigan with local (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1f7nT6-000501-33 for 31167@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 15 Apr 2018 21:37:44 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: <87lgdo6zqv.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2018 21:37:43 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87lgdo6zqv.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Sun, 15 Apr 2018 21:22:48 +0200") Message-ID: <87fu3w6z20.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Hm. Or has this finally been fixed, after all these years? I'm unable to reproduce it now on my laptop, but perhaps I'm confing the network "wrong" in the wrong way... -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From unknown Mon Jun 23 18:32:05 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#31167: 27.0.50; When the computer has no network connection, Emacs can take minutes to start Resent-From: Noam Postavsky Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2018 20:21:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 31167 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Cc: 31167@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 31167-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B31167.152382360913005 (code B ref 31167); Sun, 15 Apr 2018 20:21:02 +0000 Received: (at 31167) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Apr 2018 20:20:09 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54579 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f7o88-0003Ng-8N for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 15 Apr 2018 16:20:09 -0400 Received: from mail-io0-f174.google.com ([209.85.223.174]:36359) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f7o82-0003N4-Ug for 31167@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 15 Apr 2018 16:20:06 -0400 Received: by mail-io0-f174.google.com with SMTP id c26so3127418iob.3 for <31167@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 15 Apr 2018 13:20:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version; bh=F9H4ZP2ISBfYuStVlhQlH8C3C661UhfKrDowGtDs+2g=; b=c1+I3wHtEdrG3I5vLQDpuHklIzegs0lmrdVuhkWuIhXwBLvRDxcJEeSJUauw30kRi2 0yziODgvI0H7JAW3ZHneNiL304w8UtXFs1fB9rcfy0y2Cmu+Ga+E2HZ+ZgXBfCP8tnSp vnjSB8eGSQ7sx3OgrJgznzqxVdqENM65fO340TcsS4RyMU0plQs9iOuOiGQuMpQQ7Q4q kUJScmVOB+jUSbcOU/HRap2w3txCqVsLudL1rVaPGaEdS3tcHBNMjcIYLUFj579ors5r cQUKMtqGkG0gIH4w7z4UZlWEozkQwGKXu+iktM317eaLLvDsSmdKYzrVHHrlgclPhw6E bOyQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version; bh=F9H4ZP2ISBfYuStVlhQlH8C3C661UhfKrDowGtDs+2g=; b=sHxr2dmuMtf4JpljmhvMQ/Ypi38YSbHGpsUU3yNl9IzOrLQKT0aah1oskMyUHLUlKz 32F6LVm1PCuT4llLgeg+91EbFH4lF874wWtC5tccE1sEj2ubr+TuDq22H79T+XlI3jzs e489fmFnH0jC0kyDNF9AC3GAkz41/0cal+cqZQ7VN29/rSIdg49QJZ22fr6Ltt/R0a8H OTKyzoL5HcpwoPaA+4kCVtKTBbA5RSTF+yrBjtfM0Cyv8F9b86aD0Nwte8h5SrXfkrhr d5cH9NgGWNxpcHPXh0H444Zh5d927r+gqGq9NgSZVGPKtkrwEew5/1JKpkEVx4t9befE bnLA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALQs6tCzMkZe1pXEjYN1B154HxcHRvQwc+UoFNuzgcZpiBHmmO1qKSbx GVrdziJBd4F+lC6lFP1cMgXvfQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AIpwx4+V0yyS/kRMu0S1b3vBcez2vDv8AcHJqM5fEbMK9Ox4Ik39FhZEy8EOSBkMbj6JPS1mK7iZIQ== X-Received: by 10.107.9.87 with SMTP id j84mr6242577ioi.232.1523823597137; Sun, 15 Apr 2018 13:19:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zebian (cbl-45-2-119-34.yyz.frontiernetworks.ca. [45.2.119.34]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id k204sm36538ioe.82.2018.04.15.13.19.56 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Sun, 15 Apr 2018 13:19:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Noam Postavsky References: <87lgdo6zqv.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2018 16:19:48 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87lgdo6zqv.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Sun, 15 Apr 2018 21:22:48 +0200") Message-ID: <874lkcusrf.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > I think the way to reproduce this error is to have the network > configured, but not actually working. I suspect that Emacs is doing > some DNS stuff at startup that it shouldn't be doing. > Hm. Or has this finally been fixed, after all these years? I'm unable > to reproduce it now on my laptop, but perhaps I'm confing the network > "wrong" in the wrong way... It sounds like this entry in etc/PROBLEMS *** Emacs startup on GNU/Linux systems (and possibly other systems) is slow. This can happen if the system is misconfigured and Emacs can't get the full qualified domain name, FQDN. You should have your FQDN in the /etc/hosts file, something like this: 127.0.0.1 localhost 129.187.137.82 nuc04.t30.physik.tu-muenchen.de nuc04 The way to set this up may vary on non-GNU systems. According to this message from 2014 [1] it was resolved, and the etc/PROBLEMS entry was removed. But the entry is still there in current master. [1]: https://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2014-12/msg02313.html From unknown Mon Jun 23 18:32:05 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#31167: 27.0.50; When the computer has no network connection, Emacs can take minutes to start Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2018 20:26:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 31167 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Noam Postavsky Cc: 31167@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 31167-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B31167.152382391813514 (code B ref 31167); Sun, 15 Apr 2018 20:26:01 +0000 Received: (at 31167) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Apr 2018 20:25:18 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54590 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f7oD7-0003Vu-Ou for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 15 Apr 2018 16:25:17 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:39001) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f7oD6-0003Vl-56 for 31167@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 15 Apr 2018 16:25:16 -0400 Received: from 46.67.12.60.tmi.telenormobil.no ([46.67.12.60] helo=corrigan) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f7oD3-0006qA-Ac; Sun, 15 Apr 2018 22:25:15 +0200 Received: from larsi by corrigan with local (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1f7oCx-0005II-FT; Sun, 15 Apr 2018 22:25:07 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: <87lgdo6zqv.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <874lkcusrf.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2018 22:25:07 +0200 In-Reply-To: <874lkcusrf.fsf@gmail.com> (Noam Postavsky's message of "Sun, 15 Apr 2018 16:19:48 -0400") Message-ID: <878t9o8bfg.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Noam Postavsky writes: > According to this message from 2014 [1] it was resolved, and the > etc/PROBLEMS entry was removed. But the entry is still there in current > master. Hm... I remember running into this a couple of weeks ago on a Debian jessie system, and the Emacs there is... let's see... 25.1.1. That's after 2014, I think, so perhaps that explains why it returned? vc-mode seems to say that it's been in etc/PROBLEMS since around 2001-2004. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From unknown Mon Jun 23 18:32:05 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#31167: 27.0.50; When the computer has no network connection, Emacs can take minutes to start References: <87lgdo6zqv.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> In-Reply-To: <87lgdo6zqv.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> Resent-From: Paul Eggert Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2018 00:26:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 31167 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Noam Postavsky Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , 31167@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 31167-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B31167.15240975517237 (code B ref 31167); Thu, 19 Apr 2018 00:26:01 +0000 Received: (at 31167) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Apr 2018 00:25:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59835 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f8xOZ-0001sf-9t for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 18 Apr 2018 20:25:51 -0400 Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.68]:52858) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f8xOW-0001sQ-57 for 31167@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 18 Apr 2018 20:25:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB27C16133D; Wed, 18 Apr 2018 17:25:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id zvf6PN8kZ3fn; Wed, 18 Apr 2018 17:25:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAF08161611; Wed, 18 Apr 2018 17:25:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at zimbra.cs.ucla.edu Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id CmxjhR2InwmN; Wed, 18 Apr 2018 17:25:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Penguin.CS.UCLA.EDU (Penguin.CS.UCLA.EDU [131.179.64.200]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9C4CE16133D; Wed, 18 Apr 2018 17:25:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Eggert Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2018 17:25:34 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------9EFF106839A6FCCF79F1D189" Content-Language: en-US X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------9EFF106839A6FCCF79F1D189 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > According to this message from 2014 [1] it was resolved, and the > etc/PROBLEMS entry was removed. But the entry is still there in current master. That's due to a botched merge of etc/PROBLEMS in March 2015. Thanks for mentioning it. I installed the attached patch into master to fix it. > I remember running into this a couple of weeks ago on a Debian > jessie system, and the Emacs there is... let's see... 25.1.1. That's > after 2014 Yes, the problem that I fixed in 2014 should not be present in Emacs 25.1. Of course there could be some other problem with similar symptoms. I can't reproduce the symptoms, though. I tried running Emacs master on Fedora 27 with networking disabled (using Gnome's "Wired Connected > Turn Off" UI), and Emacs started up fine. --------------9EFF106839A6FCCF79F1D189 Content-Type: text/x-patch; name="0001-Fix-botched-merge-of-FQDNs-in-PROBLEMS.patch" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="0001-Fix-botched-merge-of-FQDNs-in-PROBLEMS.patch" >From d816676fb40960ec6cf124ff386571ac1e5a3278 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Paul Eggert Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2018 17:12:56 -0700 Subject: [PATCH] Fix botched merge of FQDNs in PROBLEMS This text was originally removed in 2014-12-30T04:42:26Z!eggert@cs.ucla.edu but then was mistakenly re-added in the merge in 2015-03-23T17:30:30Z!eggert@cs.ucla.edu. * etc/PROBLEMS: Omit obsolete mention of FQDNs. --- etc/PROBLEMS | 11 ----------- 1 file changed, 11 deletions(-) diff --git a/etc/PROBLEMS b/etc/PROBLEMS index 0797176619..d19efaae68 100644 --- a/etc/PROBLEMS +++ b/etc/PROBLEMS @@ -555,17 +555,6 @@ And then rename the system's readline so that it won't be loaded: See for more details on installation. -*** Emacs startup on GNU/Linux systems (and possibly other systems) is slow. - -This can happen if the system is misconfigured and Emacs can't get the -full qualified domain name, FQDN. You should have your FQDN in the -/etc/hosts file, something like this: - -127.0.0.1 localhost -129.187.137.82 nuc04.t30.physik.tu-muenchen.de nuc04 - -The way to set this up may vary on non-GNU systems. - *** Visiting files in some auto-mounted directories causes Emacs to print 'Error reading dir-locals: (file-error "Read error" "is a directory" ...' -- 2.14.3 --------------9EFF106839A6FCCF79F1D189-- From unknown Mon Jun 23 18:32:05 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#31167: 27.0.50; When the computer has no network connection, Emacs can take minutes to start Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2018 19:51:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 31167 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Paul Eggert Cc: Noam Postavsky , 31167@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 31167-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B31167.152451303813265 (code B ref 31167); Mon, 23 Apr 2018 19:51:01 +0000 Received: (at 31167) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Apr 2018 19:50:38 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37431 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fAhTy-0003Rt-BI for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 23 Apr 2018 15:50:38 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:56111) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fAhTw-0003Rl-Me for 31167@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 23 Apr 2018 15:50:37 -0400 Received: from cm-84.212.221.165.getinternet.no ([84.212.221.165] helo=stories) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fAhTt-0005oa-6v; Mon, 23 Apr 2018 21:50:35 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAElBMVEVqFilSDxuIKUYxBg09 CxNiEiPGFRcGAAACWklEQVQ4jW2UTZOjIBCGkcidNnhHJtyTgb1LaO/RmP//V6a70a2p2qU0KX2g P99WhX+WN+BgVK/zWcnS/G+UAqXkHT9+Pi/zeam2beITK6BDxEI3VroBtAAFQE+L7SxcXE20ciGg PAh4Bh/Ul74IqJrBCo4tiaEkC1F7Ae0tYHeC9CQQT+CKwwPku1c2fg6A80QxXNkHzgR814BDS2Bu YS2/AAUWESODWUCEA5Qt9OXG+99poewitGClFppdmJoeDNa2P+w2GP0mQ3uSEx6kSHrohojxle59 TbgoNcbOSaglhrjclt1wIiMVfvoQ2AKgt9Ow5yCJUDvGSUyFbhq016P2KOVVyk7gClkKcQvR67Ag Z76wKQ73aTYqO3cO98qZCyBLw7Rt/J5y32uVkhBYobw8SKsd5gtXl0CZhl/SEZmYj7ViqgAMK0AD IXRk2vrTORby7UO8bjeOyhoC1DikQjcVxvmLey5AKuIkqEH397ec6BTc6H1eoo/D5m+DsZx4tqsq DPARYO02P2GylB9WOlEmBt++QL/5F+YdUqr490SX+yfqaB0dINnhphQyUDXNVFlXTE8urhm1UU5M pfQnUM7WpyZqAjix9KnTvVZhnw8QDsBaSunu0qPpbaTalMiWch4JkFcZA7QMPBuqXG2Wp8ucOBWc 5MOZVxJz5ty+WUmTZhBYPvVBG4e3DA22zoDUv1K+qbbZwM03IOVFniO6eGoHfbbsnIND9VpM8S/N VJFJh0LX2HzIJ8Pw/NHgw2jOT4Myx5dFydlfemHXxxTneo5zWbXq039WBv0DiCbEAs9drboAAAAA SUVORK5CYII= Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2018 21:50:33 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Paul Eggert's message of "Wed, 18 Apr 2018 17:25:34 -0700") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Paul Eggert writes: > >> I remember running into this a couple of weeks ago on a Debian >> jessie system, and the Emacs there is... let's see... 25.1.1. That's >> after 2014 > > Yes, the problem that I fixed in 2014 should not be present in Emacs > 25.1. Of course there could be some other problem with similar > symptoms. I was mistaken -- the system in question has Emacs 24.4.1 installed. Does that version include your fix? > I can't reproduce the symptoms, though. I tried running Emacs master > on Fedora 27 with networking disabled (using Gnome's "Wired Connected > > Turn Off" UI), and Emacs started up fine. In those cases (where the system knows that it has lost the network connection), then Emacs starts up fast. The problem is if the network is up, but non-functional. I've tried to reproduce it on a wired machine now just by pulling the plug, but that didn't work, either. Hm... -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From unknown Mon Jun 23 18:32:05 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#31167: 27.0.50; When the computer has no network connection, Emacs can take minutes to start Resent-From: Paul Eggert Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2018 20:00:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 31167 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Cc: Noam Postavsky , 31167@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 31167-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B31167.152451357314040 (code B ref 31167); Mon, 23 Apr 2018 20:00:02 +0000 Received: (at 31167) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Apr 2018 19:59:33 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37440 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fAhcb-0003eO-2q for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 23 Apr 2018 15:59:33 -0400 Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.68]:41976) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fAhcZ-0003eB-Di for 31167@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 23 Apr 2018 15:59:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC33F16004E; Mon, 23 Apr 2018 12:59:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id jaTstkSndrNO; Mon, 23 Apr 2018 12:59:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A605160057; Mon, 23 Apr 2018 12:59:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at zimbra.cs.ucla.edu Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id 6QQaErdDEj5q; Mon, 23 Apr 2018 12:59:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Penguin.CS.UCLA.EDU (Penguin.CS.UCLA.EDU [131.179.64.200]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E25D1160054; Mon, 23 Apr 2018 12:59:23 -0700 (PDT) References: From: Paul Eggert Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Message-ID: Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2018 12:59:22 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) On 04/23/2018 12:50 PM, Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote: > Paul Eggert writes: > >>> I remember running into this a couple of weeks ago on a Debian >>> jessie system, and the Emacs there is... let's see... 25.1.1. That's >>> after 2014 >> Yes, the problem that I fixed in 2014 should not be present in Emacs >> 25.1. Of course there could be some other problem with similar >> symptoms. > I was mistaken -- the system in question has Emacs 24.4.1 installed. > Does that version include your fix? No. So perhaps the problem is fixed after all. From unknown Mon Jun 23 18:32:05 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#31167: 27.0.50; When the computer has no network connection, Emacs can take minutes to start Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2018 20:12:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 31167 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Paul Eggert Cc: Noam Postavsky , 31167@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 31167-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B31167.152451426615122 (code B ref 31167); Mon, 23 Apr 2018 20:12:02 +0000 Received: (at 31167) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Apr 2018 20:11:06 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37445 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fAhnm-0003vq-5p for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 23 Apr 2018 16:11:06 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:58345) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fAhni-0003vW-WB for 31167@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 23 Apr 2018 16:11:04 -0400 Received: from cm-84.212.221.165.getinternet.no ([84.212.221.165] helo=stories) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fAhnf-0003zI-GU; Mon, 23 Apr 2018 22:11:01 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAFVBMVEXEsZ8MAgEwIRFnVz0U CQYSBwUPBQIlDjrDAAACeklEQVQ4jU2UQZKjMAxFXaEv4KkO627ZmTVjMQeIEeyhbO9JYd3/CCOZ JD2uFBA/pC9/yxiICAH0hxjQgTw6kJsBAiICDzoCnMOTAh3tChAp+qg3ck9AlInSPOtT9Hox4Nts LnnmR5bEEvIGKefMtfAjIKJzDoNoaPCcUmYuzIJEpuk1kDOlCDPn/hgcdmMDKpGSJAVvLdYNcNQi wRxnTUsPdLdoTHCdGd7rmCvtC5OVtf9xINo/IE0YPu9WRs81p6cGie6X6XixJ5Fi4hmxcBGwlgYs l/oCq61OzL3+RFADqdg+etd925eIgDiLIZLjmKSi/X+NLH6U3T6Gzo12b4Crlls4zYXtVawL5Zzn msDcetvnUvd9czAuvPaviG/L8tp1twe4m+cWwK1cnbRXtkyloudzqMZqH16y7SxGIPw+wRYMfNsy BJvWKsbLoph7ybaBAidmS1sZXOLMtclEAffHYJ5jTJR3ne8fYPD2C1+gy3yugw8Bobh3iE+rZW2L KgAhvUNGWtZzIQ8BOGpIp+BDfa51lrIMDiZMiJcynUACjlspDVxIDCxJjoNUHQGhiyE2cJ+C+BEa mEacuoAibszF54X7qhEOnZwe7MIJ4NbsARda76PzdWtg2nsCJPr6IO178b9GI5VenLWf8m78GgXM fFBJpKAL9gqrbs6o/Z1rLrK1ascHO9MdYrJ0kiZLmU7w95CrhrZ2FaLt08A2PK1qp+gHdKg2tpPU gAhF05xFp0r0Anq+GkAAVZjP6SoHD4KCECFqxiDTenQ5k9ON8rv0h2uBy9HaehOLDWzeKtBcDmKy du/lMyPfEoBVvivyUTKDbsdi5c8N3D9yn+zUptfSggAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2018 22:10:59 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Paul Eggert's message of "Mon, 23 Apr 2018 12:59:22 -0700") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Paul Eggert writes: > On 04/23/2018 12:50 PM, Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote: >> Paul Eggert writes: >> >>>> I remember running into this a couple of weeks ago on a Debian >>>> jessie system, and the Emacs there is... let's see... 25.1.1. That's >>>> after 2014 >>> Yes, the problem that I fixed in 2014 should not be present in Emacs >>> 25.1. Of course there could be some other problem with similar >>> symptoms. >> I was mistaken -- the system in question has Emacs 24.4.1 installed. >> Does that version include your fix? > > No. So perhaps the problem is fixed after all. Yes. But I've now tried reproducing this on a different machine with 24.4.1 (since the one I experienced the problem on is now a production server :-)) and any combination of setting up bad routing tables, on the machine itself and on the router, doesn't manage to trigger the problem... This is all so odd. I guess I have to make precise notes on what the state of the networking is the next time I see this thing so that I can test the same thing on a newer Emacs... -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jan 08 19:40:05 2019 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Jan 2019 00:40:06 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50713 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gh1uf-0003h9-MW for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 08 Jan 2019 19:40:05 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:47763) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gh1ud-0003gY-AK for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 08 Jan 2019 19:40:03 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gh1uW-0002jF-3l for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 08 Jan 2019 19:39:57 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:48368) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gh1uV-0002j9-VE for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 08 Jan 2019 19:39:56 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1gh1uV-0001UU-Gc for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 08 Jan 2019 19:39:55 -0500 Subject: control message for bug 31167 To: X-Mailer: mail (GNU Mailutils 2.99.98) Message-Id: From: Glenn Morris Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2019 19:39:55 -0500 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:470:142:3::e X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) tag 31167 = wontfix close 31167