From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Apr 11 17:38:03 2018 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Apr 2018 21:38:03 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46637 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f6NRL-0005JH-7h for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 11 Apr 2018 17:38:03 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:58424) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f6NRJ-0005Il-Os for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 11 Apr 2018 17:38:02 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f6NRD-0007zt-OV for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 11 Apr 2018 17:37:56 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:48926) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f6NRD-0007zl-Ka for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 11 Apr 2018 17:37:55 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:49377) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f6NRC-0001zK-HL for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Apr 2018 17:37:55 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f6NR8-0007qE-G2 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Apr 2018 17:37:54 -0400 Received: from userp2130.oracle.com ([156.151.31.86]:53254) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f6NR8-0007pk-6K for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Apr 2018 17:37:50 -0400 Received: from pps.filterd (userp2130.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp2130.oracle.com (8.16.0.22/8.16.0.22) with SMTP id w3BLaSsB023497 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2018 21:37:48 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : subject : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2017-10-26; bh=LHen3CT+FZFZZcmQYMPGmj7kvKafaRzXC0NsImG5UvQ=; b=cc7GdLWd9dfob1z7bptZcWXCrf/+coIPrJx1oj9REBSo9RPSmmeOFiKwSj/kN10sCkjq gZtpihkm2geB51u6qHAPUv8TU+1+qBDSnwy/ttsN1RtkcPQM+0MGVtosDCLTlnnL/Zba s8OfzlpZmVIv9jlJ8HyIoXKdCzISN52dxGYeGxYF+m/OtWYmlKPldH5ovY4zNk5bTDC7 kzt6/2u9Mwy9luro2HrAudwJbzMvNt0bRB5jnPxZ5PTy0mgNF+rNk75G8A2CEZQgQQvm o0uWky9U5q+xWwoUN7XvGnV1TUE/7qJ7QsfVOv3mpish411mCN/B4hGecg235v17dm6e KQ== Received: from aserv0021.oracle.com (aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233]) by userp2130.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2h6ne7hap2-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2018 21:37:48 +0000 Received: from userv0121.oracle.com (userv0121.oracle.com [156.151.31.72]) by aserv0021.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id w3BLbkJc030600 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2018 21:37:47 GMT Received: from abhmp0003.oracle.com (abhmp0003.oracle.com [141.146.116.9]) by userv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id w3BLbkA5015060 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2018 21:37:46 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <60e57152-0b45-4c8f-aef7-fc8f2b06c69b@default> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2018 14:37:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 26; Regression: intra-glossary links broken in Emacs manual X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4678.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5900 definitions=8860 signatures=668698 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=1 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1711220000 definitions=main-1804110201 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) C-h r g Glossary Go to entry "Cut and Paste". There you see this: Cut and Paste *Note Glossary---Killing::, and *note Glossary---Yanking::. But clicking those links does not take you to the Glossary entries for Killing and Yanking, respectively. Instead, the first one takes you to node Acknowledgements, and the second one takes you to node `Key Index'. This regression was introduced in Emacs 24.5. Prior to that, in Emacs 24 the links worked fine. In GNU Emacs 26.1 (build 1, x86_64-w64-mingw32) of 2018-04-10 Repository revision: c267421647510319d2a70554e42f0d1c394dba0a Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 6.1.7601 Configured using: `configure --without-dbus --host=3Dx86_64-w64-mingw32 --without-compress-install 'CFLAGS=3D-O2 -static -g3'' From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Apr 12 04:21:53 2018 Received: (at 31130) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Apr 2018 08:21:53 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47039 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f6XUP-0002hE-0K for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 04:21:53 -0400 Received: from mail-wr0-f181.google.com ([209.85.128.181]:38667) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f6XUN-0002h1-Sc for 31130@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 04:21:52 -0400 Received: by mail-wr0-f181.google.com with SMTP id l13so3151912wrb.5 for <31130@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 01:21:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:mail-copies-to:gmane-reply-to-list :date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version; bh=HRyYUVjFbIhKQ4iiQiudBBr3pOiS5h7aIRhiPrTPdWI=; b=e6a4wuXDpZEORbAm+QCdn1MazrilbtQW6a1dlewmTfxSW3LkrOrTjeYqdrV4bJv9Xo FerwRXbYQTjbcEruFihhRgG5MDrxnuuBce9w8Uuuc1BRZPdeAfkBMro1802Lb5esPX0r c9swq/Wq5yIY4x9WpM52QGpr+FFpc9IqWr56awOhW/NkbgAO1LrXejjXS50w8uj7v8Bw OkqJaNcGNmYpr9Uea+4IG1mYQlblu+IGuBMnohYmb1GpUQckx/saGWQc1eaf2NY7Md2J YqD7ljz22sB2xynDAKv68iv2vUue93lfzwLj1KZpt97xN/RHhII0HAr+KJsN6myqsn3P bIbQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:mail-copies-to :gmane-reply-to-list:date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version; bh=HRyYUVjFbIhKQ4iiQiudBBr3pOiS5h7aIRhiPrTPdWI=; b=eDm81gBCfGx5ZunQAIkhL6dgE8iY5c5SagxCT0mFAXm50nvWRHgQnPO6BmsApKO/uC 4wxAz6HgMWtjrSXaDk5JkmsQF/l09zVddMa4l9YZXpx9i29L6hGhZNMVZfekfnymRlTm Um2hoj0V9vIRytvFSMjciu53z4Gci+rXFZi6LzeW7zHjITYOMPysjzX7UddR7vedfAzC rQGeziCoyZIaQtECO5VW12wwFvjrpK8yt/lt67CRUPCKb5wq9z2CCA55wQ+KGHC10pc6 apNaxvo/8TrvoD0httNBKLnf1szvBgdsS6Dz/A/84cqF5PR4dML41z2S4GnM9AbUEBqL bUGw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALQs6tCDmyEdi7SSR8xTyrJMemQc6Ig9LAj/bgXm5O89i0/FO8IULKyb lg1yFwtDaLqT/23Pc1dG9kGnXsIwVbU= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AIpwx49kwVZdtqYgCGt6S6zJw0IjcdQtBWGCkdr1L+qNSujV+XHtH+5wGcf2bYXJuPIXdmbO77WJZg== X-Received: by 10.223.145.66 with SMTP id j60mr1511wrj.222.1523521305811; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 01:21:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rpluim ([149.5.228.1]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id y144sm3333874wmd.47.2018.04.12.01.21.44 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Thu, 12 Apr 2018 01:21:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Pluim To: Drew Adams Subject: Re: bug#31130: 26; Regression: intra-glossary links broken in Emacs manual References: <60e57152-0b45-4c8f-aef7-fc8f2b06c69b@default> X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes Mail-Copies-To: never Gmane-Reply-To-List: yes Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2018 10:21:43 +0200 In-Reply-To: <60e57152-0b45-4c8f-aef7-fc8f2b06c69b@default> (Drew Adams's message of "Wed, 11 Apr 2018 14:37:45 -0700 (PDT)") Message-ID: <874lkgrg14.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 31130 Cc: 31130@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Drew Adams writes: > C-h r > g Glossary > Go to entry "Cut and Paste". > > There you see this: > > Cut and Paste > *Note Glossary---Killing::, and *note Glossary---Yanking::. > > But clicking those links does not take you to the Glossary entries for > Killing and Yanking, respectively. > > Instead, the first one takes you to node Acknowledgements, and the > second one takes you to node `Key Index'. > > This regression was introduced in Emacs 24.5. Prior to that, in Emacs > 24 the links worked fine. This works fine for me in emacs-26 -Q, admittedly on GNU/Linux, not Windows. Robert From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Apr 12 07:15:48 2018 Received: (at 31130) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Apr 2018 11:15:48 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47118 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f6aCi-0006sl-3j for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 07:15:48 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:53377) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f6aCg-0006sY-2l for 31130@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 07:15:46 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f6aCX-0001Jf-2w for 31130@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 07:15:41 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:34254) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f6aCW-0001JX-Vt; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 07:15:37 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3504 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1f6aCV-0006Mc-I7; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 07:15:36 -0400 Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2018 14:15:48 +0300 Message-Id: <838t9s3cbf.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Robert Pluim In-reply-to: <874lkgrg14.fsf@gmail.com> (message from Robert Pluim on Thu, 12 Apr 2018 10:21:43 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#31130: 26; Regression: intra-glossary links broken in Emacs manual References: <60e57152-0b45-4c8f-aef7-fc8f2b06c69b@default> <874lkgrg14.fsf@gmail.com> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 31130 Cc: drew.adams@oracle.com, 31130@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) > From: Robert Pluim > Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2018 10:21:43 +0200 > Cc: 31130@debbugs.gnu.org > > Drew Adams writes: > > > C-h r > > g Glossary > > Go to entry "Cut and Paste". > > > > There you see this: > > > > Cut and Paste > > *Note Glossary---Killing::, and *note Glossary---Yanking::. > > > > But clicking those links does not take you to the Glossary entries for > > Killing and Yanking, respectively. > > > > Instead, the first one takes you to node Acknowledgements, and the > > second one takes you to node `Key Index'. > > > > This regression was introduced in Emacs 24.5. Prior to that, in Emacs > > 24 the links worked fine. > > This works fine for me in emacs-26 -Q, admittedly on GNU/Linux, not > Windows. It shouldn't matter, because the Info files come from the source tarball in this case. Anyway, I cannot reproduce this on Windows, either, neither with Emacs 26.1 which I built myself, not with the binary from the GNU site. Drew, are you sure you are reading the Info files that came with the Emacs binary whose details you included in the report? ISTR that you reported in the past similar problems, and each time the reason turned out to be old Info files and/or old Emacs versions. Both Texinfo and Emacs changed a few years ago how offsets of index entries are calculated and used, and the change matters when the Info file has DOS CR-LF line endings, so now old Info files and new Emacs might be incompatible. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Apr 12 10:42:58 2018 Received: (at 31130) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Apr 2018 14:42:58 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48031 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f6dRC-0000tL-1m for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 10:42:58 -0400 Received: from userp2120.oracle.com ([156.151.31.85]:44356) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f6dRA-0000t5-5m for 31130@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 10:42:56 -0400 Received: from pps.filterd (userp2120.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp2120.oracle.com (8.16.0.22/8.16.0.22) with SMTP id w3CEgo1J165627; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 14:42:50 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : cc : subject : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2017-10-26; bh=hl3fQ02dRKFAr1SSlPWZEuKyHmqWCRvXnPlfpcDcwq8=; b=JMc0KV7Uot6DZZuiGVk9/QYBBYr+DD8Pt8U8x83AV/QO5nMG1lPgmBCOb4FA6hpdZd3k Th2wOKvc7PHjAToVzuX/Zg8i4Yg5CyxirY0QNTJSy3fk1YUgPNHCRUZZPy14d7eDV4w2 UgEepqq1+eNFnl8WP554vVKqsVdwRxcWrV+A7OTova9qhYDi8zHwcRGf2FXamlMb1vrl GgPY/Iv+Ys4t/UxD7XmwUSQCQcQ0PTxAh+6wrwdxi9m90sOtDsBgxLX9bPGUUTs8PHpv 7iug2Ylb0k8qaByzSxhr7/rnD+bP8d5NbRdIhI1uZ8GwV/av3KTHLYdqcvxmg5tF1qz+ Kg== Received: from userv0022.oracle.com (userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74]) by userp2120.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2h6pn4v7d8-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Apr 2018 14:42:50 +0000 Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by userv0022.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id w3CEgnn7021893 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Apr 2018 14:42:49 GMT Received: from abhmp0001.oracle.com (abhmp0001.oracle.com [141.146.116.7]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id w3CEgnLq001249; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 14:42:49 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <5a5ee055-9b18-4e1f-9f49-e95128fa0a80@default> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2018 07:42:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: Eli Zaretskii , Robert Pluim Subject: RE: bug#31130: 26; Regression: intra-glossary links broken in Emacs manual References: <<60e57152-0b45-4c8f-aef7-fc8f2b06c69b@default>> <<874lkgrg14.fsf@gmail.com>> <<838t9s3cbf.fsf@gnu.org>> In-Reply-To: <<838t9s3cbf.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4678.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5900 definitions=8860 signatures=668698 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1711220000 definitions=main-1804120146 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 31130 Cc: drew.adams@oracle.com, 31130@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) > > > This regression was introduced in Emacs 24.5. Prior to that, in > > > Emacs 24 the links worked fine. > > > > This works fine for me in emacs-26 -Q, admittedly on GNU/Linux, not > > Windows. >=20 > It shouldn't matter, because the Info files come from the source > tarball in this case. >=20 > Anyway, I cannot reproduce this on Windows, either, neither with Emacs > 26.1 which I built myself, not with the binary from the GNU site. > > Drew, are you sure you are reading the Info files that came with the > Emacs binary whose details you included in the report? ISTR that you > reported in the past similar problems, and each time the reason turned > out to be old Info files and/or old Emacs versions. > > Both Texinfo and > Emacs changed a few years ago how offsets of index entries are > calculated and used, and the change matters when the Info file has DOS > CR-LF line endings, so now old Info files and new Emacs might be > incompatible. 1. Trying again now, I can repro the problem only in Emacs 24.5, not in the more recent releases/builds. 2. I'm sure I tested those multiple builds, using `emacs -Q', going back to see whether it ever worked and, if so, in what release it became broken. IIRC, found that prior to Emacs 24 those terms were not links; in Emacs 24.4 the links worked correctly; and starting with Emacs 24.5, through 27 (3rd snapshot) the links were broken. 3. I don't know how or why I saw different behavior then than now, when I retest. I don't know what you mean, about somehow reading Info files that didn't come with the same binary. How would that even happen? 4. But if it can happen then yes, perhaps that is the cause. I often have Emacs 20, 24.5, and something recent (e.g. 27) open at the outset, using my setup. And it's likely that I've already used Info in one or more of those, before I notice a problem and then retest using `emacs -Q'. In this case, I know that I discovered this problem first in a build using my setup. I don't recall whether it was Emacs 24.5 or 26, but I'm pretty sure it was 26. However, I may have already used Info with Emacs 24.5 at some point. Sorry for any confusion. I don't really understand what's causing the mixup in behavior, but I'm sure that I tested each of the releases 24.5, 25.3.1, and 26 using `emacs -Q'. But I confirm that doing that again now I don't see the problem except in 24.5. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Apr 12 11:22:01 2018 Received: (at 31130-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Apr 2018 15:22:01 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48080 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f6e2y-0007j2-W8 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 11:22:01 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:53386) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f6e2y-0007iq-2w for 31130-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 11:22:00 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f6e2o-0003Y7-GH for 31130-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 11:21:55 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_05 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:39163) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f6e2o-0003Y3-Bo; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 11:21:50 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1538 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1f6e2n-0000Oy-Pn; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 11:21:50 -0400 Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2018 18:22:02 +0300 Message-Id: <83sh801mcl.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Drew Adams In-reply-to: <5a5ee055-9b18-4e1f-9f49-e95128fa0a80@default> (message from Drew Adams on Thu, 12 Apr 2018 07:42:47 -0700 (PDT)) Subject: Re: bug#31130: 26; Regression: intra-glossary links broken in Emacs manual References: <<60e57152-0b45-4c8f-aef7-fc8f2b06c69b@default>> <<874lkgrg14.fsf@gmail.com>> <<838t9s3cbf.fsf@gnu.org>> <5a5ee055-9b18-4e1f-9f49-e95128fa0a80@default> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 31130-done Cc: 31130-done@debbugs.gnu.org, rpluim@gmail.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) > Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2018 07:42:47 -0700 (PDT) > From: Drew Adams > Cc: drew.adams@oracle.com, 31130@debbugs.gnu.org > > 1. Trying again now, I can repro the problem only in Emacs 24.5, > not in the more recent releases/builds. That could be, but I guess it means you reported the bug from a binary other than the one where the problem happened? > 2. I'm sure I tested those multiple builds, using `emacs -Q', > going back to see whether it ever worked and, if so, in > what release it became broken. IIRC, found that prior to > Emacs 24 those terms were not links; in Emacs 24.4 the > links worked correctly; and starting with Emacs 24.5, > through 27 (3rd snapshot) the links were broken. > > 3. I don't know how or why I saw different behavior then > than now, when I retest. We've been through that before. May I suggest that next time this happens you keep notes about the exact steps you took while reproducing the problem? > I don't know what you mean, > about somehow reading Info files that didn't come with > the same binary. How would that even happen? It depends on how your system is configured wrt multiple Emacs versions installed on it, and in particular how you invoke Info. If you just type "C-h i" or "C-h r", the Info manual you get depends on whether you keep the share/info directories of different versions separate or not. Also, "C-h i" and "C-h r" go to different places by default. This is why I always use "C-u C-h i", and then specify the Info file that corresponds to the Emacs version I'm running. > Sorry for any confusion. I don't really understand what's > causing the mixup in behavior, but I'm sure that I tested > each of the releases 24.5, 25.3.1, and 26 using `emacs -Q'. > But I confirm that doing that again now I don't see the > problem except in 24.5. Then I guess we can close this bug. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Apr 12 11:54:00 2018 Received: (at 31130-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Apr 2018 15:54:00 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48098 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f6eXw-0008UV-4B for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 11:54:00 -0400 Received: from userp2120.oracle.com ([156.151.31.85]:33992) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f6eXu-0008UD-NN for 31130-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 11:53:59 -0400 Received: from pps.filterd (userp2120.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp2120.oracle.com (8.16.0.22/8.16.0.22) with SMTP id w3CFjfuC025657; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 15:53:52 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : cc : subject : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2017-10-26; bh=1wmQV8lpk8FuNIKpqFHk42sGWgl8W/YfhcekrV9KBEQ=; b=sfmTLSiLEdlcaE0l+qoefZlWyaC1uAiPWFBCjC7us2KL951XNJRtdRPCGCfUgGzy7+Y0 F/kloK8v3q6sEGmsSDpfxeJa1f6THrDnedAUL8o0FCduIQDmTwLD0sNcXTWRB0WCJTHb fS9uSo5t5QpWfwId/4DbXnJ5E3tR7xfTACp/GJXHW6ia879bHQc6AeSWInuTcAltTTF/ xXzZZojv+H2e8LXfqzKUwaW1MaOFyClNKx1gM8TM2E0rHge4G6AK4dlAukzcnFHgamUp KK92lLBO+hSHZRTiHI8o2Gvfq74yZJ4hcKhG2U2evlZIGYv0GDyCISWRkKeu83Wr6com yA== Received: from aserv0022.oracle.com (aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234]) by userp2120.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2h6pn4vnud-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Apr 2018 15:53:52 +0000 Received: from aserv0122.oracle.com (aserv0122.oracle.com [141.146.126.236]) by aserv0022.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id w3CFrpFu008711 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Apr 2018 15:53:51 GMT Received: from abhmp0011.oracle.com (abhmp0011.oracle.com [141.146.116.17]) by aserv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id w3CFrpuI029549; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 15:53:51 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <2e49187a-b623-46ad-8acc-1c8b0d787d99@default> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2018 08:53:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: RE: bug#31130: 26; Regression: intra-glossary links broken in Emacs manual References: <<<60e57152-0b45-4c8f-aef7-fc8f2b06c69b@default>>> <<<874lkgrg14.fsf@gmail.com>>> <<<838t9s3cbf.fsf@gnu.org>>> <<5a5ee055-9b18-4e1f-9f49-e95128fa0a80@default>> <<83sh801mcl.fsf@gnu.org>> In-Reply-To: <<83sh801mcl.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4678.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5900 definitions=8861 signatures=668698 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1711220000 definitions=main-1804120156 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 31130-done Cc: 31130-done@debbugs.gnu.org, rpluim@gmail.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) > > 1. Trying again now, I can repro the problem only in Emacs 24.5, > > not in the more recent releases/builds. >=20 > That could be, but I guess it means you reported the bug from a binary > other than the one where the problem happened? No. I reported it from the Emacs 26 RC1, and the problem happened in that version. And I tested it with `emacs -Q' in that version. I likely reported it (M-x report-emacs-bug) using my setup, but with the same binary that I tested using emacs -Q. And I tested using emacs -Q also in Emacs 25.3.1, 24.5, 24.4, 23.4, and even 22.3 and 20. > > 2. I'm sure I tested those multiple builds, using `emacs -Q', > > going back to see whether it ever worked and, if so, in > > what release it became broken. IIRC, found that prior to > > Emacs 24 those terms were not links; in Emacs 24.4 the > > links worked correctly; and starting with Emacs 24.5, > > through 27 (3rd snapshot) the links were broken. > > > > 3. I don't know how or why I saw different behavior then > > than now, when I retest. >=20 > We've been through that before. Have we? Please tell me how what I saw is possible, in that case. > May I suggest that next time this happens you keep notes > about the exact steps you took while reproducing the problem? > > > I don't know what you mean, > > about somehow reading Info files that didn't come with > > the same binary. How would that even happen? >=20 > It depends on how your system is configured wrt multiple Emacs > versions installed on it, and in particular how you invoke Info. If > you just type "C-h i" or "C-h r", the Info manual you get depends on > whether you keep the share/info directories of different versions > separate or not. They are all separate. Each Emacs version/release is in a separate directory/folder, and all of it is there, in the original subdirs (bin, etc, include,lib, libexec, share, ssl). All I do is extract the zip file obtained from GNU Emacs (e.g. P. Lord's snapshots). I make no changes to the directories or their files. (Even with my own setup I make no such changes - no changes to the distributed files and their directories. But with my own setup I do make changes to some Info functions etc.) So I repeat the question, how could it happen that I would read an Info file that didn't come with the current binary, when using emacs -Q? Unless there is some kind of cache file that Emacs uses for Info that is outside that directory, I don't see how different versions could show the same Info manual version when each is started with emacs -Q. > Also, "C-h i" and "C-h r" go to different places by > default. This is why I always use "C-u C-h i", and then specify the > Info file that corresponds to the Emacs version I'm running. I used `C-h r' to simplify the repro recipe. If invoked from emacs -Q, how can that go elsewhere than the Emacs manual for that binary? > > Sorry for any confusion. I don't really understand what's > > causing the mixup in behavior, but I'm sure that I tested > > each of the releases 24.5, 25.3.1, and 26 using `emacs -Q'. > > But I confirm that doing that again now I don't see the > > problem except in 24.5. >=20 > Then I guess we can close this bug. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Apr 12 12:16:17 2018 Received: (at 31130) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Apr 2018 16:16:17 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48190 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f6etV-0003s7-3X for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 12:16:17 -0400 Received: from userp2130.oracle.com ([156.151.31.86]:37200) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f6etT-0003lv-CT for 31130@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 12:16:15 -0400 Received: from pps.filterd (userp2130.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp2130.oracle.com (8.16.0.22/8.16.0.22) with SMTP id w3CGG9DN017549; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 16:16:09 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : cc : subject : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2017-10-26; bh=THT9pvvns7T7O4A5OwrTsYdcNAtjc+AJfLtJvV6WuGM=; b=MaXFuq+0nwOBaJPsPXtFMmPYN3C3NgwoEt2aqtYPY7uL13cIPIhfDu/WWqysRFWi14sA iqIekIsnjP4sl17l8xW8uwvuzG+tL0HOnmlc4gFDhx0FuexJJT8d0VETN/c9yUDnyaZ/ BNF8yprDv3azryWhO4pclu5bQ5tONTJlHiJjukM6sMgoT/Wblk9m7FgO5HYd6on1a6hc +oXNYX2ypKSrN6PjWvKyiCiSWjqBeALEB+XLOF/pOGoG4c+u2T1aqbRNN8VdTt1LWXbP fD3RS2fHrNi3OyAgOxxzY3N/a1EUS4RR4/0zyaSJArk+qsCMlCxkLzP7TxdalupmEw3M 5g== Received: from aserv0021.oracle.com (aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233]) by userp2130.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2h6ne7n0cx-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Apr 2018 16:16:09 +0000 Received: from userv0121.oracle.com (userv0121.oracle.com [156.151.31.72]) by aserv0021.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id w3CGG87R014079 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Apr 2018 16:16:08 GMT Received: from abhmp0011.oracle.com (abhmp0011.oracle.com [141.146.116.17]) by userv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id w3CGG7hK008216; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 16:16:07 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <94f9a38a-caa1-40d8-94c9-705f80f22f8c@default> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2018 09:16:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: Eli Zaretskii , Robert Pluim Subject: RE: bug#31130: 26; Regression: intra-glossary links broken in Emacs manual References: <<60e57152-0b45-4c8f-aef7-fc8f2b06c69b@default>> <<874lkgrg14.fsf@gmail.com>> <<838t9s3cbf.fsf@gnu.org>> In-Reply-To: <<838t9s3cbf.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4678.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5900 definitions=8861 signatures=668698 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1711220000 definitions=main-1804120161 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 31130 Cc: drew.adams@oracle.com, 31130@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) > Drew, are you sure you are reading the Info files that came with the > Emacs binary whose details you included in the report? I thought I was. I used emacs -Q, and all of the files for each build are in the same directory. > ISTR that you reported in the past similar problems, and > each time the reason turned out to be old Info files > and/or old Emacs versions. I don't think so. Please point me to a thread about that. > Both Texinfo and Emacs changed a few years ago how offsets > of index entries are calculated and used, and the change > matters when the Info file has DOS CR-LF line endings, so > now old Info files and new Emacs might be incompatible. The only thing I recall that is similar to what you are saying is that the Emacs snapshots/binaries made available to us did not use the latest texinfo or whatever. So what I reported wrt curly quotes did not correspond to what you thought should have been the case. That was a problem caused not by my setup but by the Emacs build (I don't build Emacs). Does that sound familiar? Is it what you really meant? If not, please do point out a thread where this was discussed and the cause of the problem was found. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Apr 12 12:42:59 2018 Received: (at 31130) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Apr 2018 16:42:59 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48242 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f6fJL-0007F4-Gj for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 12:42:59 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:40123) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f6fJI-0007Ej-O4 for 31130@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 12:42:58 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f6fJ9-0001lI-LM for 31130@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 12:42:51 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:41165) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f6fJ9-0001l2-GQ; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 12:42:47 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1584 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1f6fJ8-0007b2-VA; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 12:42:47 -0400 Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2018 19:43:00 +0300 Message-Id: <83muy81iln.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Drew Adams In-reply-to: <2e49187a-b623-46ad-8acc-1c8b0d787d99@default> (message from Drew Adams on Thu, 12 Apr 2018 08:53:49 -0700 (PDT)) Subject: Re: bug#31130: 26; Regression: intra-glossary links broken in Emacs manual References: <<<60e57152-0b45-4c8f-aef7-fc8f2b06c69b@default>>> <<<874lkgrg14.fsf@gmail.com>>> <<<838t9s3cbf.fsf@gnu.org>>> <<5a5ee055-9b18-4e1f-9f49-e95128fa0a80@default>> <<83sh801mcl.fsf@gnu.org>> <2e49187a-b623-46ad-8acc-1c8b0d787d99@default> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 31130 Cc: rpluim@gmail.com, 31130@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) > Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2018 08:53:49 -0700 (PDT) > From: Drew Adams > Cc: rpluim@gmail.com, 31130-done@debbugs.gnu.org > > > > 1. Trying again now, I can repro the problem only in Emacs 24.5, > > > not in the more recent releases/builds. > > > > That could be, but I guess it means you reported the bug from a binary > > other than the one where the problem happened? > > No. I reported it from the Emacs 26 RC1, and the problem > happened in that version. And I tested it with `emacs -Q' > in that version. I likely reported it (M-x report-emacs-bug) > using my setup, but with the same binary that I tested using > emacs -Q. So you are saying that either (a) something in your setup causes this problem to happen, perhaps after some time the session is alive, or (b) something outside of Emacs causes the problem, and that something is not always happening, is that right? > And I tested using emacs -Q also in Emacs 25.3.1, > 24.5, 24.4, 23.4, and even 22.3 and 20. Which means the (b) part above is more likely the culprit? Are you reasonably sure that your reproduction steps are the same in all of these attempts, whether successful or not? Or is that yet another potential reason for the problem to happen only sometimes? > > > 3. I don't know how or why I saw different behavior then > > > than now, when I retest. > > > > We've been through that before. > > Have we? Please tell me how what I saw is possible, in > that case. AFAIR, we ended up giving up on understanding the exact reasons back then as well, because you were unable to reliably reproduce the problem, except in an old version of Emacs or an old version of Info files. Exactly like now. > > It depends on how your system is configured wrt multiple Emacs > > versions installed on it, and in particular how you invoke Info. If > > you just type "C-h i" or "C-h r", the Info manual you get depends on > > whether you keep the share/info directories of different versions > > separate or not. > > They are all separate. Each Emacs version/release is in > a separate directory/folder, and all of it is there, in > the original subdirs (bin, etc, include,lib, libexec, > share, ssl). All I do is extract the zip file > obtained from GNU Emacs (e.g. P. Lord's snapshots). I > make no changes to the directories or their files. > > (Even with my own setup I make no such changes - no > changes to the distributed files and their directories. > But with my own setup I do make changes to some Info > functions etc.) > > So I repeat the question, how could it happen that I > would read an Info file that didn't come with the > current binary, when using emacs -Q? Which Info files Emacs finds is determined by the code which computes Info-default-directory-list, and on code in info-initialize (and its subroutine Info-default-dirs). In a nutshell, that makes Emacs consider several alternative places until it finds one that "works". So the answer to your question depends on the directories you have or don't have on your system, out of those Emacs considers, something I cannot know. It also depends on whether you have INFOPATH defined in the environment, and if you do, what is its value. > Unless there is some kind of cache file that Emacs > uses for Info that is outside that directory There is no cache. > I don't see how different versions could show the same Info manual > version when each is started with emacs -Q. If you read the code in the functions I pointed to, you will see that it doesn't only consider directories under the directory where you unzipped the archive. It also looks in other places. > > Also, "C-h i" and "C-h r" go to different places by > > default. This is why I always use "C-u C-h i", and then specify the > > Info file that corresponds to the Emacs version I'm running. > > I used `C-h r' to simplify the repro recipe. If invoked > from emacs -Q, how can that go elsewhere than the Emacs > manual for that binary? Again, I don't know enough to answer that. But the only way to be in full control of which manual file is loaded is to use "C-u C-h i". From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Apr 12 13:03:00 2018 Received: (at 31130) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Apr 2018 17:03:01 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48273 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f6fci-0003Eg-HI for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 13:03:00 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:58050) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f6fch-0003ET-1S for 31130@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 13:02:59 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f6fcX-00078B-GI for 31130@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 13:02:53 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:41590) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f6fcX-00077z-Df; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 13:02:49 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1605 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1f6fcW-0006kW-Kd; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 13:02:49 -0400 Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2018 20:03:00 +0300 Message-Id: <83h8og1hob.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Drew Adams In-reply-to: <94f9a38a-caa1-40d8-94c9-705f80f22f8c@default> (message from Drew Adams on Thu, 12 Apr 2018 09:16:05 -0700 (PDT)) Subject: Re: bug#31130: 26; Regression: intra-glossary links broken in Emacs manual References: <<60e57152-0b45-4c8f-aef7-fc8f2b06c69b@default>> <<874lkgrg14.fsf@gmail.com>> <<838t9s3cbf.fsf@gnu.org>> <94f9a38a-caa1-40d8-94c9-705f80f22f8c@default> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 31130 Cc: rpluim@gmail.com, drew.adams@oracle.com, 31130@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) > Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2018 09:16:05 -0700 (PDT) > From: Drew Adams > Cc: drew.adams@oracle.com, 31130@debbugs.gnu.org > > > ISTR that you reported in the past similar problems, and > > each time the reason turned out to be old Info files > > and/or old Emacs versions. > > I don't think so. Please point me to a thread about that. See the discussion in bug#29839. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Apr 12 13:04:26 2018 Received: (at 31130-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Apr 2018 17:04:27 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48277 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f6fe5-0003H0-1V for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 13:04:26 -0400 Received: from aserp2120.oracle.com ([141.146.126.78]:33986) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f6fe1-0003Gl-U3 for 31130-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 13:04:23 -0400 Received: from pps.filterd (aserp2120.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by aserp2120.oracle.com (8.16.0.22/8.16.0.22) with SMTP id w3CGu3Nv140541; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 17:04:16 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : cc : subject : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2017-10-26; bh=7t5yjQt+23TZQb4T+zpOFH14TpWLHWOxjHCb+LFUUlg=; b=V3MFThfPRXqALrKlKHSR/EcVInCJvWLT304Hm0cA+uhUEdvvRjA5Fza8R95VjeuMw/5e Uu1XM8Ml26G+R6APBlvYFuFqhExMreknBcTtKSqpQV24QohvmQyuEB0U77IrVE7KXGbd jKtWBB6NyhhRSZOrM6wgQmpZzZqbMI9HCigHay+GTWMMiE/LVbZ1iM1tlGakDjxpnqkD 2baDGrC97t92OgBsjiNTU1Ei7d60ukuYTOPotv6qlAXGRO01vnkq94iuV38zvuL/r9mh O+fu5WEaqs8T+uldCrtUFm3xa2xPyCXiEwmRW5zY8ZTlIgnP1htjyAbFb/jnSCGQF4GU Rg== Received: from aserv0022.oracle.com (aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234]) by aserp2120.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2h6ny3n5hk-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Apr 2018 17:04:16 +0000 Received: from aserv0122.oracle.com (aserv0122.oracle.com [141.146.126.236]) by aserv0022.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id w3CH4F08030586 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Apr 2018 17:04:15 GMT Received: from abhmp0011.oracle.com (abhmp0011.oracle.com [141.146.116.17]) by aserv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id w3CH4EXb015267; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 17:04:15 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <88cdf029-6474-4b41-9ae7-cb124d7eac5e@default> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2018 10:04:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: RE: bug#31130: 26; Regression: intra-glossary links broken in Emacs manual References: <<<60e57152-0b45-4c8f-aef7-fc8f2b06c69b@default>>> <<<874lkgrg14.fsf@gmail.com>>> <<<838t9s3cbf.fsf@gnu.org>>> <<5a5ee055-9b18-4e1f-9f49-e95128fa0a80@default>> <<83sh801mcl.fsf@gnu.org>> <2e49187a-b623-46ad-8acc-1c8b0d787d99@default> In-Reply-To: <2e49187a-b623-46ad-8acc-1c8b0d787d99@default> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4678.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5900 definitions=8861 signatures=668698 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=513 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1711220000 definitions=main-1804120167 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 31130-done Cc: 31130-done@debbugs.gnu.org, rpluim@gmail.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) FYI - I still don't understand why I could be accessing the wrong Info file when using emacs -Q. But I've figured out why I see the problem with releases after 24.5 when using my setup: I need to update my version of `Info-find-node-2'. I followed the execution in the debugger in both emacs -Q and my setup, both Emacs 26 RC1, and came across the problem. My version iks missing the code that was added to use `filepos-to-bufferpos' to convert the target position from the position in the tags file data to a buffer position. I'll need to update that. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Apr 12 13:27:42 2018 Received: (at 31130) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Apr 2018 17:27:42 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48304 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f6g0a-0003o5-UZ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 13:27:41 -0400 Received: from aserp2120.oracle.com ([141.146.126.78]:54158) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f6g0Z-0003nt-Qu for 31130@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 13:27:40 -0400 Received: from pps.filterd (aserp2120.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by aserp2120.oracle.com (8.16.0.22/8.16.0.22) with SMTP id w3CHQW7F163828; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 17:27:34 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : cc : subject : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2017-10-26; bh=//jKpda72NAUjSivW++4qv0v+KAV2+61pTOpi9AfPMo=; b=LXKdEOX3Ch2ye99GyBfX7nhpTmtjtyixtvVoOYulFVaW9gJLpmt9Ma8USenhs7UJjg+y KQOI1S08f3QtNmlL3H9/o3x7Xwsi31IvZsC/hX88AMAQarJ32rj40To+aM6JDBP9IlT0 FdRgac2OI2aTMvUYxH/bXKjV62Gbx7QeewcPjU760+1wTKf8X7N7470H2hJRxGKiRIPE gprbQbMc7SDzv4Kf6diLsiJBiIOTIqB6bACVj0DAC5F/DquqO6Rq8kUDtzJKyITaSfYi SLhRAn4mtllRF54OTkA7EJCsnrPZXxkCCFmd7vxqrh+z8IctS+J4lkLv+xEP/KF9N4X8 5Q== Received: from userv0021.oracle.com (userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71]) by aserp2120.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2h6ny3n8mm-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Apr 2018 17:27:33 +0000 Received: from aserv0122.oracle.com (aserv0122.oracle.com [141.146.126.236]) by userv0021.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id w3CHRW1v019108 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Apr 2018 17:27:32 GMT Received: from abhmp0011.oracle.com (abhmp0011.oracle.com [141.146.116.17]) by aserv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id w3CHRVj8031221; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 17:27:31 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2018 10:27:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: RE: bug#31130: 26; Regression: intra-glossary links broken in Emacs manual References: <<<<60e57152-0b45-4c8f-aef7-fc8f2b06c69b@default>>>> <<<<874lkgrg14.fsf@gmail.com>>>> <<<<838t9s3cbf.fsf@gnu.org>>>> <<<5a5ee055-9b18-4e1f-9f49-e95128fa0a80@default>>> <<<83sh801mcl.fsf@gnu.org>>> <<2e49187a-b623-46ad-8acc-1c8b0d787d99@default>> <<83muy81iln.fsf@gnu.org>> In-Reply-To: <<83muy81iln.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4678.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5900 definitions=8861 signatures=668698 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1711220000 definitions=main-1804120171 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 31130 Cc: rpluim@gmail.com, 31130@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) > > > > 1. Trying again now, I can repro the problem only in Emacs 24.5, > > > > not in the more recent releases/builds. > > > > > > That could be, but I guess it means you reported the bug from a > > > binary other than the one where the problem happened? > > > > No. I reported it from the Emacs 26 RC1, and the problem > > happened in that version. And I tested it with `emacs -Q' > > in that version. I likely reported it (M-x report-emacs-bug) > > using my setup, but with the same binary that I tested using > > emacs -Q. >=20 > So you are saying that either (a) something in your setup causes this > problem to happen, perhaps after some time the session is alive, or > (b) something outside of Emacs causes the problem, and that something > is not always happening, is that right? Dunno what happened. > > And I tested using emacs -Q also in Emacs 25.3.1, > > 24.5, 24.4, 23.4, and even 22.3 and 20. >=20 > Which means the (b) part above is more likely the culprit? It suggests that, if (a) and (b) are the possibilities. > Are you reasonably sure that your reproduction steps are the same in > all of these attempts, whether successful or not? Or is that yet > another potential reason for the problem to happen only sometimes? Reasonably sure, yes. But I will try to pay more attention to this. I believe that I: 1. Discovered the problem with my setup, probably in E26. (See my other msg about why my setup led to the problem, which I just now figured out.) 2. Used emacs -Q in various releases, from 26 (and 27?) back through to 20. I was both (a) checking it is still a problem and (b) trying to find out whether it ever was OK and if so where the regression was introduced. I found that the problem was there starting with Emacs 24.5, that it worked in 24.4, and that before 24.4 the text was not linked. > AFAIR, we ended up giving up on understanding the exact reasons back > then as well, because you were unable to reliably reproduce the > problem, except in an old version of Emacs or an old version of Info > files. Exactly like now. That's possible. I don't recall. =20 > Which Info files Emacs finds is determined by the code which computes > Info-default-directory-list, and on code in info-initialize (and its > subroutine Info-default-dirs). In a nutshell, that makes Emacs > consider several alternative places until it finds one that "works". > So the answer to your question depends on the directories you have or > don't have on your system, out of those Emacs considers, something I > cannot know. It also depends on whether you have INFOPATH defined in > the environment, and if you do, what is its value. INFOPATH is nil. Each Emacs build is in a separate directory, and the dir contents are what is extracted from a Windows snapshot. I don't modify `Info-default-directory-list' or `info-initialize' when I use emacs -Q. (When I use my setup, I don't modify `info-initialize', but Cygwin does modify `Info-default-directory-list' to add "c:/cygwin/usr/info".) > > I don't see how different versions could show the same Info manual > > version when each is started with emacs -Q. >=20 > If you read the code in the functions I pointed to, you will see that > it doesn't only consider directories under the directory where you > unzipped the archive. It also looks in other places. Yes, but I don't do anything (when I use emacs -Q) that affects any of those places. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Apr 12 13:31:39 2018 Received: (at 31130) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Apr 2018 17:31:39 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48308 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f6g4R-0005VX-KT for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 13:31:39 -0400 Received: from aserp2130.oracle.com ([141.146.126.79]:43226) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f6g4P-0005Op-GN for 31130@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 13:31:37 -0400 Received: from pps.filterd (aserp2130.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by aserp2130.oracle.com (8.16.0.22/8.16.0.22) with SMTP id w3CHUfNh043230; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 17:31:31 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : cc : subject : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2017-10-26; bh=maH2MFqDm2HzelOw6fLcQTJhi4bo256vE7pwwUgqMbY=; b=uHz/p7erTv7lsc5NvBlW52w44Fd4oBipwufFT2j/XMEyroZviEjEG/kp5+Olg1xykP+N 7vDEyzFjby5BWwsaSrvxHvi88BTxwusLD5f6D+wOJ82ijsr0H1iNtqACZ0kimfkmdzHm Q75c5rcQB8PUqfs5BGxDPcTtn/RXQEAaaGwOIUUgL5pN9ANfJhl37FeOC4c4nPXhAl4N Oe0d0l+FC9VuOCZm2jTZaf7EmkarpQ5WFbAkKiyhIUPpyxn3mrvQvB0iFz/BTmJrobwo Ro3CPQAHVqvx05gaIep9WQvLP/d06Ag0VpgpRUociZAXlB4RYkC7GIBok0dmn7abuZft mA== Received: from userv0022.oracle.com (userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74]) by aserp2130.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2h6kgtncxf-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Apr 2018 17:31:31 +0000 Received: from aserv0121.oracle.com (aserv0121.oracle.com [141.146.126.235]) by userv0022.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id w3CHVUQf008003 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Apr 2018 17:31:30 GMT Received: from abhmp0011.oracle.com (abhmp0011.oracle.com [141.146.116.17]) by aserv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id w3CHVUbE010939; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 17:31:30 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <10583e1c-eefe-4561-beeb-ccaca9263be2@default> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2018 10:31:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: Eli Zaretskii , Drew Adams Subject: RE: bug#31130: 26; Regression: intra-glossary links broken in Emacs manual References: <<<60e57152-0b45-4c8f-aef7-fc8f2b06c69b@default>>> <<<874lkgrg14.fsf@gmail.com>>> <<<838t9s3cbf.fsf@gnu.org>>> <<94f9a38a-caa1-40d8-94c9-705f80f22f8c@default>> <<83h8og1hob.fsf@gnu.org>> In-Reply-To: <<83h8og1hob.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4678.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5900 definitions=8861 signatures=668698 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=978 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1711220000 definitions=main-1804120172 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 31130 Cc: rpluim@gmail.com, 31130@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) > > > ISTR that you reported in the past similar problems, and > > > each time the reason turned out to be old Info files > > > and/or old Emacs versions. > > > > I don't think so. Please point me to a thread about that. >=20 > See the discussion in bug#29839. Yes, thanks for that xref. That sounds like exactly the same problem. Still no clue just what was going on. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Apr 12 14:16:08 2018 Received: (at 31130) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Apr 2018 18:16:08 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48366 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f6glU-0001av-1T for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 14:16:08 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:54441) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f6glS-0001UP-8J for 31130@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 14:16:06 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f6glJ-00048b-TJ for 31130@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 14:16:01 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_05 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:42960) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f6glJ-00048V-OJ; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 14:15:57 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1797 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1f6glJ-0006sn-61; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 14:15:57 -0400 Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2018 21:16:11 +0300 Message-Id: <83fu401eac.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Drew Adams In-reply-to: <10583e1c-eefe-4561-beeb-ccaca9263be2@default> (message from Drew Adams on Thu, 12 Apr 2018 10:31:29 -0700 (PDT)) Subject: Re: bug#31130: 26; Regression: intra-glossary links broken in Emacs manual References: <<<60e57152-0b45-4c8f-aef7-fc8f2b06c69b@default>>> <<<874lkgrg14.fsf@gmail.com>>> <<<838t9s3cbf.fsf@gnu.org>>> <<94f9a38a-caa1-40d8-94c9-705f80f22f8c@default>> <<83h8og1hob.fsf@gnu.org>> <10583e1c-eefe-4561-beeb-ccaca9263be2@default> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 31130 Cc: rpluim@gmail.com, 31130@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) > Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2018 10:31:29 -0700 (PDT) > From: Drew Adams > Cc: rpluim@gmail.com, 31130@debbugs.gnu.org > > > > > ISTR that you reported in the past similar problems, and > > > > each time the reason turned out to be old Info files > > > > and/or old Emacs versions. > > > > > > I don't think so. Please point me to a thread about that. > > > > See the discussion in bug#29839. > > Yes, thanks for that xref. That sounds like exactly > the same problem. Still no clue just what was going on. I think the fact that you have a private version of Info-find-node-2, which is different from the one in stock info.el, explains the behavior you see. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Apr 12 14:20:31 2018 Received: (at 31130) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Apr 2018 18:20:31 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48376 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f6gpj-0002Xp-1E for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 14:20:31 -0400 Received: from userp2130.oracle.com ([156.151.31.86]:57978) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f6gpg-0002Xc-VU for 31130@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 14:20:29 -0400 Received: from pps.filterd (userp2130.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp2130.oracle.com (8.16.0.22/8.16.0.22) with SMTP id w3CIFpvh107970; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 18:20:22 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : cc : subject : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2017-10-26; bh=fsJH3SnuqD54AYt0+uWf7F/NS/5JAfsLQZfw9s41qrs=; b=sr5lmCG8M5SJ5qwlVy9IWBbZsyLvjb+pCPCdP3DfBsHpMT5pK3W6p96fIyasqulw0y8A iZdAtiPY7zAqTGPT5KVTBEgmZotIGjJdvCL4tEGvTX7TzDOztOQFnV5I0JM397a+fFtT /7F06MiOXZA7045SSdLXBY6rSnv0D51EURmZr7iSPauVvUVzniiuweokkq1FhEUdpllc yFTF0XKyI45hFsByK4LLETR/xjiPH7seOxoW8i2idbgD8Ra/D9X4UIYavIiMF4uzPcs2 FpwmbxWAvT7+Y85fbScxTyGC6A9ywZxKqllIL31nEa9ixMSHqnyb9yOCJMwnUDTmrS7I yg== Received: from aserv0021.oracle.com (aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233]) by userp2130.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2h6ne7ngxg-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Apr 2018 18:20:22 +0000 Received: from userv0121.oracle.com (userv0121.oracle.com [156.151.31.72]) by aserv0021.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id w3CIKLoA021325 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Apr 2018 18:20:21 GMT Received: from abhmp0011.oracle.com (abhmp0011.oracle.com [141.146.116.17]) by userv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id w3CIKKto018674; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 18:20:20 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <995a30b2-53e0-4d4f-bbfc-0398a97f7a8f@default> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2018 11:20:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: Eli Zaretskii , Drew Adams Subject: RE: bug#31130: 26; Regression: intra-glossary links broken in Emacs manual References: <<<<60e57152-0b45-4c8f-aef7-fc8f2b06c69b@default>>>> <<<<874lkgrg14.fsf@gmail.com>>>> <<<<838t9s3cbf.fsf@gnu.org>>>> <<<94f9a38a-caa1-40d8-94c9-705f80f22f8c@default>>> <<<83h8og1hob.fsf@gnu.org>>> <<10583e1c-eefe-4561-beeb-ccaca9263be2@default>> <<83fu401eac.fsf@gnu.org>> In-Reply-To: <<83fu401eac.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4678.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5900 definitions=8861 signatures=668698 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1711220000 definitions=main-1804120178 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 31130 Cc: rpluim@gmail.com, 31130@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) > > > > > ISTR that you reported in the past similar problems, and > > > > > each time the reason turned out to be old Info files > > > > > and/or old Emacs versions. > > > > > > > > I don't think so. Please point me to a thread about that. > > > > > > See the discussion in bug#29839. > > > > Yes, thanks for that xref. That sounds like exactly > > the same problem. Still no clue just what was going on. >=20 > I think the fact that you have a private version of Info-find-node-2, > which is different from the one in stock info.el, explains the > behavior you see. That explains why I saw this using my setup. But I don't see how it explains why I saw it using emacs -Q, even after having used my setup in a separate session, and even if that separate session is still open. That's still a mystery to me. And the fact that I reported the same thing twice, years apart (having forgotten the first report) supports the description that I gave (both times): I saw the problem with emacs -Q (in multiple versions even), but later couldn't repro it. Anyway, I'm fixing my version of I`nfo-find-node-2'... 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