From unknown Sun Jun 22 11:49:48 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#31091: 25.2: Feature Request: auto exit upon memory exhaustion warning Resent-From: Boruch Baum Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2018 07:23:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 31091 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 31091@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: Emacs Bug Reporting Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.152317216332143 (code B ref -1); Sun, 08 Apr 2018 07:23:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Apr 2018 07:22:43 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41836 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f54ex-0008MN-EL for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Apr 2018 03:22:43 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:47980) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f54ev-0008MA-Vr for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Apr 2018 03:22:42 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f54eq-00048R-0i for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Apr 2018 03:22:36 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:57094) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f54ep-00048N-TB for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Apr 2018 03:22:35 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:38949) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f54eo-0000rd-QV for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 08 Apr 2018 03:22:35 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f54ej-00044w-Tr for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 08 Apr 2018 03:22:34 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.19]:51579) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f54ej-00044R-JY for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 08 Apr 2018 03:22:29 -0400 Received: from E15-2016.optimum.net ([108.6.168.221]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx003 [212.227.17.184]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LhOvA-1eizR504Aq-00mZG1 for ; Sun, 08 Apr 2018 09:22:27 +0200 Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2018 03:22:23 -0400 From: Boruch Baum Message-ID: <20180408072223.5mwxvwl54v4nocr3@E15-2016.optimum.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: NeoMutt/20180223 X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:TJNWrThMltysnA8WcHkGJ/IryHs2hg75AVnAmY/7KFI6A+J2odb UWN/OWoNiSn2wMCt8gkJJNINgJO+C8VuNcpzXO+VHbC4LKTuvf6VGaQJ+xakZvKWQpkimsD t5n143051azW0lHPnhfZX/BrEy7GvC4aGkhSRg4B6XK8KL3cvDVQZw19dgSl1hYP+qx2cfE MRzmWDKEPMrRmls/Y7CDw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:q9SEnmAOxLc=:S7NlPa6Q6iTJ2ZkeBhXSgV cKhsxyrsyjVCgLnEIlSquhB7VjuA3lbr6N3jfUZHAkZPRyl81ycXnsrLCEpzsIUumLWc23eF3 xae+SbqjvqH5FNpknyjaDtDhWlBQqAacVZKEO9CEGfSXf/mluyz72YPCdEPiu9WjK8Ny95X6n Wuu2A0aw5qyNdZiyQGV92rP9b5r0gTqJ7KwmJczCHZQewssSDoKZDdwzYFTCIHf3k0lKGpb/6 ytlYz7XjODGn4bcIPSyF8IdpoOy+iZQgrbt+6hGizuXzW7v3tOD+1XfFiU/QtYfqpvWgGNFdz od7V+JZC87OeMjEenEZXdodQ/8EeESM+n9aTAFWf1k2PYuQE+hMmb8ZtZ9G4Y4qCcJ6i7CrU4 vTaV7rEwWiFyg6giDqKsa2/D0ixDMrTRfgWOVxDPct/Bg+dogN1QQg4uIeU53aLRBNKjWR2j7 GLoQv4BxauIAEnUYP5tINVOmrTUSWmhGzN64r07rRExVFX8MMoSmucVWn3ptLGI++aIcF0USI S6Wth6b3T4qdV9xq1t55TdgnrZZLxiKbkmLpN6wrJi2mUNRqColkylO62yYEMXmQMXi9Jpvf2 EmpEKAYF2bwEwGg7F0WomuxLxZhlO8BQAMkWQQzWsgcJX4QDZ3t2sP8i3r0JN3AE23Dhgc8ca ssO2dmU6hh41aORtpNgQLfkq6OglmlGNwHmdHVHAK4M3nN0engTsob5zphtIGLU/wlqAdU+Ot xMwhs6OKe3zMvNfkkRHzn58ebl1u4wQZ2zNHWh2RcM55tvS+MVChcoDUTC9M72OSsPPlOALP2 aDC7DHZEKwNumwFs4hloGSuTlpLhA== X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.1 (----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.1 (-----) Version: emacs 25.2, debian As emacs begins to exhaust memory, it begins to grind all system process's performance to a halt, which is clearly undesirable. If the user notices in time, either because the user is attentive to the mode line or the system slow-down, then the user will have an opportunity to gracefully exit and restart emacs, but such is not always the case, and should not be presumed to always be the case. I would like to suggest a optional feature to automatically save buffers and shut down emacs / emacs-server when this condition occurs. The user could toggle its operation by manipulating a boolean variable. It's default condition is for the emacs developers to decide. My vote would be for default on, in the interest of the greater good of preserving an entire system from grinding to a halt. I reliably encountered memory exhaustion when testing function `apropos-value', which creates for me that condition within five calls. An alternate solution, external to emacs, would be to use the shell's `ulimit' feature, but I don't know whether this is available on all platforms (eg. Microsoft), and would require constant tinkering of the memory threshold limit to account for any change in requirements in the sum of all the other system processes. -- hkp://keys.gnupg.net CA45 09B5 5351 7C11 A9D1 7286 0036 9E45 1595 8BC0 From unknown Sun Jun 22 11:49:48 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#31091: 25.2: Feature Request: auto exit upon memory exhaustion warning Resent-From: Andreas Schwab Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2018 07:52:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 31091 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Boruch Baum Cc: 31091@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 31091-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B31091.15231738812302 (code B ref 31091); Sun, 08 Apr 2018 07:52:01 +0000 Received: (at 31091) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Apr 2018 07:51:21 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41859 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f556f-0000b4-5K for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Apr 2018 03:51:21 -0400 Received: from mail-out.m-online.net ([212.18.0.9]:60534) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f556c-0000av-OI for 31091@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Apr 2018 03:51:19 -0400 Received: from frontend01.mail.m-online.net (unknown [192.168.8.182]) by mail-out.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40JlxK3kTjz1qtH6; Sun, 8 Apr 2018 09:51:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (dynscan1.mnet-online.de [192.168.6.70]) by mail.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40JlxK25n8z1qs4j; Sun, 8 Apr 2018 09:51:17 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mnet-online.de Received: from mail.mnet-online.de ([192.168.8.182]) by localhost (dynscan1.mail.m-online.net [192.168.6.70]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZaVAUpzWqsgS; Sun, 8 Apr 2018 09:51:16 +0200 (CEST) X-Auth-Info: 5snvG3dAFQU7WUHJR3dS9fhgd4s2a3WdrxDf6Z3JeTBJLzEJ722vvb+hbpMGyeI9 Received: from localhost (ppp-188-174-148-14.dynamic.mnet-online.de [188.174.148.14]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.mnet-online.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA; Sun, 8 Apr 2018 09:51:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: by localhost (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 7532E2C1139; Sun, 8 Apr 2018 09:51:14 +0200 (CEST) From: Andreas Schwab References: <20180408072223.5mwxvwl54v4nocr3@E15-2016.optimum.net> X-Yow: Has everybody got HALVAH spread all over their ANKLES??... Now, it's time to ``HAVE A NAGEELA''!! Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2018 09:51:14 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20180408072223.5mwxvwl54v4nocr3@E15-2016.optimum.net> (Boruch Baum's message of "Sun, 8 Apr 2018 03:22:23 -0400") Message-ID: <87o9iuf85p.fsf@linux-m68k.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.0.91 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-) On Apr 08 2018, Boruch Baum wrote: > I would like to suggest a optional feature to automatically save > buffers and shut down emacs / emacs-server when this condition occurs. How do you detect that condition? Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org GPG Key fingerprint = 58CA 54C7 6D53 942B 1756 01D3 44D5 214B 8276 4ED5 "And now for something completely different." From unknown Sun Jun 22 11:49:48 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#31091: 25.2: Feature Request: auto exit upon memory exhaustion warning Resent-From: Boruch Baum Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2018 08:00:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 31091 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Andreas Schwab Cc: 31091@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 31091-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B31091.15231743733009 (code B ref 31091); Sun, 08 Apr 2018 08:00:02 +0000 Received: (at 31091) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Apr 2018 07:59:33 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41867 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f55Eb-0000mT-89 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Apr 2018 03:59:33 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.15]:50369) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f55EZ-0000mF-KD for 31091@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Apr 2018 03:59:32 -0400 Received: from E15-2016.optimum.net ([108.6.168.221]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx002 [212.227.17.184]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MBFgr-1fEkHZ31wj-00ACSY; Sun, 08 Apr 2018 09:59:25 +0200 Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2018 03:59:21 -0400 From: Boruch Baum Message-ID: <20180408075921.2jatgor6uyulnnr7@E15-2016.optimum.net> References: <20180408072223.5mwxvwl54v4nocr3@E15-2016.optimum.net> <87o9iuf85p.fsf@linux-m68k.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87o9iuf85p.fsf@linux-m68k.org> User-Agent: NeoMutt/20180223 X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:Lx179C74I2wYh3bFRQhVkjUg7b7njHEMEhmX6B3tsIiO2pOGE8+ FYJ6tIyOu28HIlqzh7dO8yzGIBg56o0wI0fWw+eU2AFwqCzuFvHg7M3PEk0IMPiKmpfZocZ Bu373hBqSwf9x4SYLSuI9/sRFT/eff+Yf43unEWAXANgM/5YpnTBGV6RkPKAKDfVVMMlHqP b4U3cZLLgGgnmIF7RZKGg== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:qUL0j1TGXOc=:uvQz71J7ky1PB5g8I7MYSH vseykjIgUbf1O2LYBRz7UUY89i1Db6aLEd/saIqB1qqZHeCGv9nHxhQLod0fj6hfzpyikLJta VC1LYr2hPvy7vtcoNDSmPSI2ZHeJGt8h3upFvD2R26ykXi9dmWEBS1Y9Gb7nuA34VtaTDM5Gw zp+3dKrXTo4Mb8ceYT4jPyhTapTYVvOuUrUXQtCZ/BdCI9Jq5cNygMkHfnSfToYODAJWW+nyn riZlT2fPj+s0tPd6uZFG78kqKnnPe7tAvVR3BQNDtMiMkgfMYnTSpr2TgpFpkfbk0gZCQnHZb hG27qxLqxIhkz3lFbc0OUoOKuAn9F3TXoG7BIchyDQAoOM3w59cjVTvnW2abKlR6Tj2F9Wgon K6NqKZrNfQwp4Mx0LfbLZoSOubcJxpEiEuDdw2mAbRzMOnz+LJKckUSw8waNlIBgU6QtLQwHw gYXa+BjwMLGf4+QEw7ZYqNMrJNMMdK/AsGrfafr//f9VnTHKaA1catCIg5dwVlw+Kx8O2h6qo u9sjVGQeVqR/FCM2FI5GBeho+7BLHAVpp0Yk8O1tjJHZIJzAkMs6lvEE1Z+fXgy+gTMJpNUtg /1gbWGzYSiHH/RZ/XIiU++kA4Lj9mcN/qQQ+Y1K62nit7uGHBrR4bgQf3HQvWg76OzYk1Mm7F xkvT1PMIamKmF7y6UmgR+fYb45RffiH1bGt7LbRCQj4feJBKS7oP243F4s4DOR+/aN5myfYfq HQmbi1RyxyK5mRL8XqFVcjXnryjyN898GlNduo3ZQbwG4thTlDqc7fYYCLaJiHQqQs2eBhYkS suK0zNsVrwjd5X90TosrzC+5J0J0Q== X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) On 2018-04-08 09:51, Andreas Schwab wrote: > How do you detect that condition? Emacs already monitors the condition, and currently performs the following: 1] Adds a memory warning to the mode line; 2] Warns the user with a minibuffer message, along with the suggestion to save the current buffer and exit emacs. The proposed feature request would optionally change that behavior. -- hkp://keys.gnupg.net CA45 09B5 5351 7C11 A9D1 7286 0036 9E45 1595 8BC0 From unknown Sun Jun 22 11:49:48 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#31091: 25.2: Feature Request: auto exit upon memory exhaustion warning Resent-From: Andreas Schwab Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2018 08:37:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 31091 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Boruch Baum Cc: 31091@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 31091-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B31091.15231765906284 (code B ref 31091); Sun, 08 Apr 2018 08:37:02 +0000 Received: (at 31091) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Apr 2018 08:36:30 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41887 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f55oM-0001dI-A4 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Apr 2018 04:36:30 -0400 Received: from mail-out.m-online.net ([212.18.0.10]:50592) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f55oL-0001d9-7A for 31091@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Apr 2018 04:36:29 -0400 Received: from frontend01.mail.m-online.net (unknown [192.168.8.182]) by mail-out.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40JmxS4NQkz1qtG8; Sun, 8 Apr 2018 10:36:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (dynscan1.mnet-online.de [192.168.6.70]) by mail.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40JmxS4BS3z1qs4p; Sun, 8 Apr 2018 10:36:28 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mnet-online.de Received: from mail.mnet-online.de ([192.168.8.182]) by localhost (dynscan1.mail.m-online.net [192.168.6.70]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QMJZxMJIT2V2; Sun, 8 Apr 2018 10:36:28 +0200 (CEST) X-Auth-Info: EkGDF0DXT3IprCyMpIMoXBN+sOG9ERpfJfvChtKrSYERZ0E5Cm9/Q6hNtJ+WHlZ4 Received: from localhost (ppp-188-174-148-14.dynamic.mnet-online.de [188.174.148.14]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.mnet-online.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA; Sun, 8 Apr 2018 10:36:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: by localhost (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 834C22C1139; Sun, 8 Apr 2018 10:36:27 +0200 (CEST) From: Andreas Schwab References: <20180408072223.5mwxvwl54v4nocr3@E15-2016.optimum.net> <87o9iuf85p.fsf@linux-m68k.org> <20180408075921.2jatgor6uyulnnr7@E15-2016.optimum.net> X-Yow: Zippy's brain cells are straining to bridge synapses... Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2018 10:36:27 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20180408075921.2jatgor6uyulnnr7@E15-2016.optimum.net> (Boruch Baum's message of "Sun, 8 Apr 2018 03:59:21 -0400") Message-ID: <87fu46f62c.fsf@linux-m68k.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.0.91 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-) On Apr 08 2018, Boruch Baum wrote: > On 2018-04-08 09:51, Andreas Schwab wrote: >> How do you detect that condition? > > Emacs already monitors the condition, and currently performs the following: It monitors its virtual memory. But shortage of physical memory is more difficult to detect. Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org GPG Key fingerprint = 58CA 54C7 6D53 942B 1756 01D3 44D5 214B 8276 4ED5 "And now for something completely different." From unknown Sun Jun 22 11:49:48 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#31091: 25.2: Feature Request: auto exit upon memory exhaustion warning Resent-From: Boruch Baum Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2018 08:47:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 31091 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Andreas Schwab Cc: 31091@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 31091-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B31091.15231771737144 (code B ref 31091); Sun, 08 Apr 2018 08:47:02 +0000 Received: (at 31091) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Apr 2018 08:46:13 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41892 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f55xl-0001rA-7G for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Apr 2018 04:46:13 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.22]:36683) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f55xj-0001qy-LP for 31091@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Apr 2018 04:46:12 -0400 Received: from E15-2016.optimum.net ([108.6.168.221]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx103 [212.227.17.174]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LsD9n-1eM6UN3NZn-013xNZ; Sun, 08 Apr 2018 10:46:05 +0200 Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2018 04:46:01 -0400 From: Boruch Baum Message-ID: <20180408084601.r4mezduwuli7m6f5@E15-2016.optimum.net> References: <20180408072223.5mwxvwl54v4nocr3@E15-2016.optimum.net> <87o9iuf85p.fsf@linux-m68k.org> <20180408075921.2jatgor6uyulnnr7@E15-2016.optimum.net> <87fu46f62c.fsf@linux-m68k.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87fu46f62c.fsf@linux-m68k.org> User-Agent: NeoMutt/20180223 X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:HfE1DjATIhQFWcWKOtCCrEwWNwlLHfpZyAgX4tsDIYQe3seY1Wh TyQsfzp5C/46eUXFys20bJg8xhdveog88bpwbYx/EKnyTu9VEWGoM+EGYIDI0JIasM7lTBZ wWsqpMGIQMcosowOuxDG0YNTVVdJWrxo+1x4usBHn/UDj8fJmoTQRYHkpGdBVI76e73QnrK EKx998tyYJHxqi2F9yk7A== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:/fmSDVLDt/E=:KhI6T8J/SkQGNNsTidhjRN VRNLWQheIriA6I+sHz7wjxvrdcaxJtHXpNCgahvT/Okf2nTRJX1rzw3FN5AmaYC+Urz+hVoWm nYVgHQhnFd5srh0/63PMYprcVPQpmGYHZyEjlZK2Wi6LxEz2ewuq7RVd3IaGr4s0gAPWP7hM+ jFaIrMns35UOy+cSTKQbsNSHgp3HIe9uxxHueRVsy6R/FGV66y6HP+rdVdtvIre+VvMma9wKF 2hEYE44zhkSVQa9vbcrVOsPTxr1H/A4EcqlnjPWVCVSbaxHbt85ktGn5xRPRX5bdjQOo2pyPf HM682ACRM+Go9Y1CPP7+ee6NFTVb25u3F5TtEDSNtYu0jj14jPtswNH0vDw4UQ7hRAsjiRQms 87+Ku0KEJphrPkLBwlp2Gv1Be3x/6ypJDAJoOWRX4RzDTy/AHlpNm9xDMTf/Llm79NukhLC9J AYnOAypFKaJsZLGCYorXsFnjPg/TJ4eUr1qNblZyOJYX66Qv99607Rh2lwDoKtSWchFVZbJVr wAIDeSYi6jyLeRYbqSUynTVMAmZ6BcrJHatc/Pu2iZtmlco7KiILf+IttC5aggaLKf/fz9yNY eij461K+QS8z7mRLKU56us3aZy0OmqG8k5PIxfFsElR1GFylJ1yUQQyWrCNbs1+OTmBlOcqy4 OigSnn/rw+9G1GZTbffPGq0fdiGKv3SsUBXA1fHaaVA2IvbWof/g/rwKD+C6otRfNRjZ3g5ke I1QP1Z36NQNqaWmBYdKSx1tfmHxBF8yM+l7HWm13oMXBNV0ppoyO0Oa5B4VhjnYJbn15yhVe4 o1AQBd22SYVD4pzKGi23EsrlRyr7Q== X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) On 2018-04-08 10:36, Andreas Schwab wrote: > It monitors its virtual memory. But shortage of physical memory is more > difficult to detect. Virtual memory would be the relevant metric here. -- hkp://keys.gnupg.net CA45 09B5 5351 7C11 A9D1 7286 0036 9E45 1595 8BC0 From unknown Sun Jun 22 11:49:48 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#31091: 25.2: Feature Request: auto exit upon memory exhaustion warning Resent-From: Andreas Schwab Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2018 11:25:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 31091 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Boruch Baum Cc: 31091@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 31091-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B31091.152318665020956 (code B ref 31091); Sun, 08 Apr 2018 11:25:02 +0000 Received: (at 31091) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Apr 2018 11:24:10 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41946 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f58Qc-0005Rw-1L for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Apr 2018 07:24:10 -0400 Received: from mail-out.m-online.net ([212.18.0.9]:54465) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f58QZ-0005Rn-QG for 31091@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Apr 2018 07:24:08 -0400 Received: from frontend01.mail.m-online.net (unknown [192.168.8.182]) by mail-out.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40Jrft6BvNz1qvBk; Sun, 8 Apr 2018 13:24:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (dynscan1.mnet-online.de [192.168.6.70]) by mail.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40Jrft4cX3z1qs4r; Sun, 8 Apr 2018 13:24:06 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mnet-online.de Received: from mail.mnet-online.de ([192.168.8.182]) by localhost (dynscan1.mail.m-online.net [192.168.6.70]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id t8am6IO9FOQl; Sun, 8 Apr 2018 13:24:06 +0200 (CEST) X-Auth-Info: ToI/IEXNKdOneSHGoP4nU/VwQ/QGbNTdsDlojuG3ONFe0N6TiI1IXKhU4CTFYsm0 Received: from localhost (ppp-188-174-148-14.dynamic.mnet-online.de [188.174.148.14]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.mnet-online.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA; Sun, 8 Apr 2018 13:24:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: by localhost (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 82F672C1139; Sun, 8 Apr 2018 13:24:05 +0200 (CEST) From: Andreas Schwab References: <20180408072223.5mwxvwl54v4nocr3@E15-2016.optimum.net> <87o9iuf85p.fsf@linux-m68k.org> <20180408075921.2jatgor6uyulnnr7@E15-2016.optimum.net> <87fu46f62c.fsf@linux-m68k.org> <20180408084601.r4mezduwuli7m6f5@E15-2016.optimum.net> X-Yow: Is this "BIKINI BEACH"? Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2018 13:24:05 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20180408084601.r4mezduwuli7m6f5@E15-2016.optimum.net> (Boruch Baum's message of "Sun, 8 Apr 2018 04:46:01 -0400") Message-ID: <878t9yeyay.fsf@linux-m68k.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.0.91 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-) On Apr 08 2018, Boruch Baum wrote: > On 2018-04-08 10:36, Andreas Schwab wrote: >> It monitors its virtual memory. But shortage of physical memory is more >> difficult to detect. > > Virtual memory would be the relevant metric here. But physical memory will be exhausted long before virtual memory is. And it may not even be Emacs which exhausted it. Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org GPG Key fingerprint = 58CA 54C7 6D53 942B 1756 01D3 44D5 214B 8276 4ED5 "And now for something completely different." From unknown Sun Jun 22 11:49:48 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#31091: 25.2: Feature Request: auto exit upon memory exhaustion warning Resent-From: Boruch Baum Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2018 11:50:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 31091 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Andreas Schwab Cc: 31091@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 31091-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B31091.152318819030594 (code B ref 31091); Sun, 08 Apr 2018 11:50:02 +0000 Received: (at 31091) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Apr 2018 11:49:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41952 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f58pS-0007xN-2n for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Apr 2018 07:49:50 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.20]:59647) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f58pQ-0007xB-6c for 31091@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Apr 2018 07:49:48 -0400 Received: from E15-2016.optimum.net ([108.6.168.221]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx103 [212.227.17.174]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LaGfK-1edHP02u3a-00m19d; Sun, 08 Apr 2018 13:49:41 +0200 Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2018 07:49:37 -0400 From: Boruch Baum Message-ID: <20180408114937.3ryciqfbv2j5c2rv@E15-2016.optimum.net> References: <20180408072223.5mwxvwl54v4nocr3@E15-2016.optimum.net> <87o9iuf85p.fsf@linux-m68k.org> <20180408075921.2jatgor6uyulnnr7@E15-2016.optimum.net> <87fu46f62c.fsf@linux-m68k.org> <20180408084601.r4mezduwuli7m6f5@E15-2016.optimum.net> <878t9yeyay.fsf@linux-m68k.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <878t9yeyay.fsf@linux-m68k.org> User-Agent: NeoMutt/20180223 X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:0Jwubj+u2HE3P+ZsmPTql57Nyc/ggSmzFKVUMogWc3lcTG77xeX M5fqXjQqb39rQ3CeNt9P6Z9/9lQavqfIwV5MHaIL9IiDXSP43lKUr7P5AXnUOJtClbwuoWg 6bhZdJS//4am2qU+dsxQ3H/2WSL5micq8NYit8M0uCmX+WONF2AQfj/2WLv17EJ/GQ76648 BH53CVnDUaljNi8GlKizA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:KDNzeAu2QQ4=:RuUfgL/hIdcMZ14R0iRn+j dsj+vx6DgClqR1qCM/avjTxMz5Da1Tvvjt3fdf1xTzbzxAXiL3pbTo1bSeilyTJR1QqoiRJyj WYBiRCDYTbwNFvwLSoSFnGxV10ETFrMpMX3i33fzT34BH9/5J5DEvcTw0ScKcnO72JvgL8Y9b K2nDlBOfm7l88g63Py57xifhL/h1zEEnR6W+O98Ko9wD8THUAepnKirXV75WrvvwXgv1AeBRL AM0H8EVAhr0NR8LwM8sU/6TFWJ207EO7fwLGRiQArsI6P2Wf2Sa0M8YkbrY7h0O+hRpi3mR9y IwS2GLC/Pt+Vc/Zqfb+v6gtudfb2Mji/IsxUwqXnh1HU2jX10eIN52ctpTqdLftNhX88WVWeP AeC6bRuVc4Lehr8AppDn9FBtjtnAneA7m9+/C3MiHy7FK5EJS9j8savQWxGszRhMqZb2ED31f 9sUP9xLSROfP/aeuExKo09ud/v6SVtWB1aefJ0Ei0+w/TTC17lxozZDYofH13Omg1XigG6yA8 8Q4XlgmCuWoOxtjS+9H65K9av33eDRciKw0mOSVr4EuZZh01TLHtKorm5XjkqjnP7b8LHODlT 3GmS6RUdBif4FTc5IOGdrGRFEUZxGhHTJIugXlIK3XAe48eBOqpt4DhOCmMIchnQ3CFer970f mxLjdBrb1acM47ur1HP+/Q5tDMaOOPu6uYgrs4lv2KLBp34TIlrzctCeseLkc0f5MfuE8uTGm ssMdPN1QXCqMbXrCFsCLy1P8fDAlL8Tc6/nloBnZHcTLAmsA8qAG0hE1+TuA55YLfr6Pz5shL yZvwLje/aqEPg0YWPYmfJpXX2phJA== X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) On 2018-04-08 13:24, Andreas Schwab wrote: > But physical memory will be exhausted long before virtual memory is. > And it may not even be Emacs which exhausted it. Before you commit to what you wrote, why not try it yourself first; it's easy to do, and you will see for yourself whether what you wrote is true. Start from your working copy of emacs, not a test instance, so that emacs will have accumulated a nice quantity of data to populate its various system *-ring and *-history variables, and perform apropos-value on a common string. Repeat as necessary and see for yourself whether what you say is true. -- hkp://keys.gnupg.net CA45 09B5 5351 7C11 A9D1 7286 0036 9E45 1595 8BC0 From unknown Sun Jun 22 11:49:48 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#31091: 25.2: Feature Request: auto exit upon memory exhaustion warning Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2018 12:59:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 31091 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Boruch Baum Cc: 31091@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 31091-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B31091.15231923024120 (code B ref 31091); Sun, 08 Apr 2018 12:59:02 +0000 Received: (at 31091) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Apr 2018 12:58:22 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42000 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f59tm-00014O-CY for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Apr 2018 08:58:22 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:42087) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f59tk-000149-FJ for 31091@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Apr 2018 08:58:20 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f59tc-0000kq-6T for 31091@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Apr 2018 08:58:15 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:33798) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f59tc-0000kb-2T; Sun, 08 Apr 2018 08:58:12 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3100 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1f59tb-0000OO-5I; Sun, 08 Apr 2018 08:58:11 -0400 Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2018 15:58:14 +0300 Message-Id: <83po39zwgp.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <20180408072223.5mwxvwl54v4nocr3@E15-2016.optimum.net> (message from Boruch Baum on Sun, 8 Apr 2018 03:22:23 -0400) References: <20180408072223.5mwxvwl54v4nocr3@E15-2016.optimum.net> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) > Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2018 03:22:23 -0400 > From: Boruch Baum > > I would like to suggest a optional feature to automatically save > buffers and shut down emacs / emacs-server when this condition occurs. > The user could toggle its operation by manipulating a boolean variable. FWIW, I consider automatic shutdown in this case a misfeature, because this is likely to shut down a session due to some memory-related bugs more than anything else. But if others would like that, I won't block adding it as an opt-in option. I do agree with Andreas that normally a system will start paging long before the virtual memory threshold for that warning is exceeded. From unknown Sun Jun 22 11:49:48 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#31091: 25.2: Feature Request: auto exit upon memory exhaustion warning Resent-From: Boruch Baum Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2018 13:22:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 31091 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 31091@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 31091-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B31091.15231936976221 (code B ref 31091); Sun, 08 Apr 2018 13:22:02 +0000 Received: (at 31091) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Apr 2018 13:21:37 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42021 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f5AGH-0001cH-C5 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Apr 2018 09:21:37 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.20]:47131) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f5AGF-0001c3-Fh for 31091@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Apr 2018 09:21:35 -0400 Received: from E15-2016.optimum.net ([108.6.168.221]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx103 [212.227.17.174]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0Lu7ty-1eNx4p0YDu-011TOj; Sun, 08 Apr 2018 15:21:29 +0200 Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2018 09:21:24 -0400 From: Boruch Baum Message-ID: <20180408132124.jusy2anuweqbepki@E15-2016.optimum.net> References: <20180408072223.5mwxvwl54v4nocr3@E15-2016.optimum.net> <83po39zwgp.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <83po39zwgp.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: NeoMutt/20180223 X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:J2uOKzl6xFmcIZeU9iF31MHQiKdzmZDh5UdFlGSQ1Rl3BrLvYE/ mx5YcVQNy+b7USzf2z+YLTPH5gclmYHzVY12GXbAjfuYaV5buE1w3XXG6vDdt7pxRw/jLFr di+8NQKY3KO/+do90vA7s1AUofQnbWEBZrSMxK1PyAy9kR7w4jVbtLy1U9CT1FsPFBik9xr Lu/D13mKiVzzAfJ0po0Jw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:wwGHZ1VL+SI=:FyoVpnLBQUD5Ra2OTyaT1o T1c9qxsB/43BetDADex3SOk8f9GTCvqlcC1G0mfcwiWMHLK6mSHuBQ3SnrZeDMX3uZ6IxE/tp +Th5t7s/JEBXHgSgmGBReRH0Se2zG/eFBUFcmGALw2vNCFeBQJ5iSuem1JRYYKOy4Xy4voO5y x9S9ISMMVMuoMGeA2aBPKbigTb9ua8HhwuyTR8+A0TyGNaSdvDV79zwlmPzpSl+OudGFBqw0D xMbl711EjtBgH0/pVylbaNmKJf7n0WQnIwI2+jPk6Ryyustgo7wUrAGQrf1ig7ISV+wgu4c/T EeafG/A+Hq4d82WWtEBHxIUg560wKl/K8G/21icg7mdAl8Vau1lQfu+OP0AQnLHMj4XJJXRfQ 9oHFcXyiIAdGVpJN7oe4ML90O2viA/aIMfd5lWnQhPSdKNM3fgcJu5WXNWqzDT3srkQfShfiR 5qBoRtKjD8LcXjY4UrG9G0pF7UCNp/d9RoHnlxvy+Kmzxph/pidkCui9jcYmuW+/kYzyHsxA3 qtkqr2PPFaPu8TQjIN8ZDL1ydDVIVkZunF6CdKzq24dLgyV5mjoYfbkgHpZBAeq0g80PJEjE2 DOB0KusLZMXj2JX72ROXOaScDJp4mf0lRAcQ/1QMir2CZFMf+2SJ5h5uTbtmICeMDCKRI31V7 HbXB/8GJ6mSdR8OJoq9MST60TAnJ9Y5lyit7/3qUSPRGt7s/MbtkhkhJa4IylSA1o8Kvx7XL8 nLcD9cYrHqriUh6bw8spzkJdCR6w5g886yUs6RwD9YBlzBFZcaLzqFoWepwkW1L1YDtQq9eIE maTjf6jCdsRPf1qaABzrmnFyX3Ygg== X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) On 2018-04-08 15:58, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > FWIW, I consider automatic shutdown in this case a misfeature, because > this is likely to shut down a session due to some memory-related bugs > more than anything else. You would want an emacs bug to bring down your entire system to just short of a complete freeze (my experience of today / last night)? > But if others would like that, I won't block adding it as an opt-in > option. > I do agree with Andreas that normally a system will start paging long > before the virtual memory threshold for that warning is exceeded. Not my experience today / last night. -- hkp://keys.gnupg.net CA45 09B5 5351 7C11 A9D1 7286 0036 9E45 1595 8BC0 From unknown Sun Jun 22 11:49:48 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#31091: 25.2: Feature Request: auto exit upon memory exhaustion warning Resent-From: Noam Postavsky Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2018 13:26:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 31091 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Boruch Baum Cc: 31091@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 31091-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B31091.15231939166545 (code B ref 31091); Sun, 08 Apr 2018 13:26:02 +0000 Received: (at 31091) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Apr 2018 13:25:16 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42025 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f5AJn-0001hV-S9 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Apr 2018 09:25:16 -0400 Received: from mail-it0-f50.google.com ([209.85.214.50]:54991) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f5AJl-0001hJ-Oo for 31091@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Apr 2018 09:25:14 -0400 Received: by mail-it0-f50.google.com with SMTP id h143-v6so7588255ita.4 for <31091@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 08 Apr 2018 06:25:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version; bh=bEdbdKP/j/7TeAsK5Z4LL9o73XWVXWpM3NDixUyp05s=; b=QAKgpacnF48ReHpzD/14VTycGuAdHdOMY9wbP4ZhiraH6fNxRlscg7rAzRUFObVClz V4p88pDeYidUxG9n+L1jlTghw4M+jEFZ3nmssYGJAw6UOF29EP9wRB1HpPmc9Fo5pVxz 6NFHti31kt9AGZerpDR9SYqS5oyXIjsLjIuvd6oOhs3isrMC4mQMW51h9k6tx0Qkhuh7 ci8Mosch9uLM/rWFIgELr0kLlX7Dlwu/zyG8Y3oROSzYduvZjZuDRg/jSdqtwE6OlelL pf8iDIAnUgxgYyA8g87kUwbiJxs7Wc0vEVcqDsMMxcgTotfbwkUCxLncdjTzxwhQIGqv sLIA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version; bh=bEdbdKP/j/7TeAsK5Z4LL9o73XWVXWpM3NDixUyp05s=; b=kgIoeD7Ii5xEry20HFkt3dUHZI46TGH5BisMpgpd5rJYHN4o6w4Gk2H1AslsCWb8qM 6ZO6jAgZ+kMoGDcYsD4+hMBu9CJVTWasEco9WHv1lJ7+IOxLEm+2Rijx07ugeu4ko2Lq RLtXXQGpDd6rwS0aiSfqKyyIkEMoS4lNHiayGXEiChqFbe8FaLUMB//DGCgwnTh2aEar J+W3oEcp+gJUZKrkNwCUBMBnhHFWKVzjP4OZ7qASER8HLGpvIwCxKk9U0eaV+Il+elf7 Tiw00Idn5bofZ4GVDmUFp3yOgK1MYxwpX897xbxFvh6xNo+m3OJSW9nswnr1gYmpft9/ 1Wkw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALQs6tBmLt6lAfBnRcC/4xkDJuAyT9tmA6VhnP2uopoZ27wsVz2hV/QF jArFTVfAAFvhslIijf7ilQpS+A== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AIpwx4+PITUeu0uPkSbXwQVNKG8CQmRW1wfUpBoIQ5I4qQXIAg3zR0EnlbGQtjENooPkR1H81HD1rA== X-Received: by 2002:a24:5b02:: with SMTP id g2-v6mr25748878itb.100.1523193908142; Sun, 08 Apr 2018 06:25:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zebian (cbl-45-2-119-34.yyz.frontiernetworks.ca. [45.2.119.34]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id d11sm6027012ioc.13.2018.04.08.06.25.07 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Sun, 08 Apr 2018 06:25:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Noam Postavsky References: <20180408072223.5mwxvwl54v4nocr3@E15-2016.optimum.net> Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2018 09:25:06 -0400 In-Reply-To: <20180408072223.5mwxvwl54v4nocr3@E15-2016.optimum.net> (Boruch Baum's message of "Sun, 8 Apr 2018 03:22:23 -0400") Message-ID: <87tvsln83x.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.0.90 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Boruch Baum writes: > As emacs begins to exhaust memory, it begins to grind all system process's > performance to a halt, which is clearly undesirable. If the user notices > in time, either because the user is attentive to the mode line or the > system slow-down, then the user will have an opportunity to gracefully > exit and restart emacs, but such is not always the case, and should not > be presumed to always be the case. If you set the virtual memory limit to 1 or 2 GB (or something proportional to the amount of physical memory you have) by doing ulimit -Sv $((1000 * 1024)) before you start Emacs, instead of allocating until system slow-down, Emacs should stop with a message: Memory exhausted--use C-x s then exit and restart Emacs Possibly also a warning like Emergency (alloc): Warning: past 75% of memory limit depending on how quickly you approach the limit. (yes, I've tried this, see https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=26952#18) From unknown Sun Jun 22 11:49:48 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#31091: 25.2: Feature Request: auto exit upon memory exhaustion warning Resent-From: Boruch Baum Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2018 13:55:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 31091 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Noam Postavsky Cc: 31091@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 31091-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B31091.15231956439102 (code B ref 31091); Sun, 08 Apr 2018 13:55:02 +0000 Received: (at 31091) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Apr 2018 13:54:03 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42053 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f5Alf-0002Mj-Il for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Apr 2018 09:54:03 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.22]:46695) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f5Ald-0002MG-QS for 31091@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Apr 2018 09:54:02 -0400 Received: from E15-2016.optimum.net ([108.6.168.221]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx102 [212.227.17.174]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MZfZi-1elyer0aFS-00LW9d; Sun, 08 Apr 2018 15:53:55 +0200 Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2018 09:53:52 -0400 From: Boruch Baum Message-ID: <20180408135352.pu4afwtboy2zaywv@E15-2016.optimum.net> References: <20180408072223.5mwxvwl54v4nocr3@E15-2016.optimum.net> <87tvsln83x.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87tvsln83x.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: NeoMutt/20180223 X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:KnFft6OLleXfp9S4lidoTXHgETxyHFXXgmbwhzGsvR8y/wUJji5 yQ+cxO+12LeEG9ryO7r4kc2FHBIZRIE8laY0XZCVkfA47Kn5kyo1Iy/3YnuMDbqZHdIkVuU ZrtNqtJbCoimnOI/Nbi1QfGci03mTomsxh7Qj50UadVn3SbLggklg/JfbBSEOf52Cy9nz3w 5FALOGk8z5uKq49rPm+QA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:RILcXnZg/lc=:FbZo71KtxKZ6AqAmuDrGAX 3wh6P+Rk12impyUtB+F9Zfx9elzevd0cnJ9iTMwgb9S6cU8xNSFbuzZPa0bnTzlDog4p3NBYi q3SdoJM2KWM8b1Z8jc4spRy2PsWEBAyR6GoRVUa3WTbpGD2SVCgCzcz6KgOAAoluSWa1nU0nh rGo5Duz6rjzc/4zGdrE5sDlYFBgDwhULyhNjvTatQdTXhjQqSBKrf0c12WtDSoabjXePGtk4V i8Pq6ioJ3DpPI76pKMBk8Jn1FCG6G4eqGQnRD20GEZyvtkQwctE7zDunJCu2TNzxxYmS7yseb jxh4LAxfJ4gp8Bzr8ibWAIJPXHFEaAyi7up9/5hpvUbQU6fSsJ3nJ3LAwkhNAVa9OTeKK9v3c TEbo+CRfyTCN8hNLAOeup5gwa5bzh6hGoh4Ra03Or6iKEDlrU47/JqtQqoGtxT5qIev4F7DVe OU5NZo5q7b0K6pi1NNjmGryrN65qw2QrlRvKEvUW0Hp5Qzfl1mVJpgtmU0mClFcbKuq6p+hML y3zyuHXZhdRNLXcPsQVVLETO7ZTy3FN1VdSmWMz8bnBnYq0ReS8HO7j3XA+WBVAyWDOsgixHY QklqyZuhFmVoZeq4cY6qAp7eJXZYwOap61X8/h0dYi6GWOYiTjq8PXiOrHHs8OM7REAest9Tw 1Ef/x3usGLtfJgQ/voYOE6p2V6Rp98SpXMgMWya4Aj6ypNujnZkA+DAoQurQxY61Oh4bsXGjf SA3/+0O6Br0i2HdQuTKBh4O4g0ac+iOMQWdGDEZs/vlPVFR5qbfwlHhtQSJZiyZvGGtV4H2OM 7q1fvOio8Y5n+1hA0Cm5yIxpriFBw== X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) On 2018-04-08 09:25, Noam Postavsky wrote: > If you set the virtual memory limit to 1 or 2 GB (or something > proportional to the amount of physical memory you have) by doing > > ulimit -Sv $((1000 * 1024)) > > ... Yes, I mentioned that alternative in the final paragraph of my initial email. Good to hear that you can report it works; it looks like that will have to be my work-around until debian packages emacs26. Thanks. -- hkp://keys.gnupg.net CA45 09B5 5351 7C11 A9D1 7286 0036 9E45 1595 8BC0 From unknown Sun Jun 22 11:49:48 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#31091: 25.2: Feature Request: auto exit upon memory exhaustion warning Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2018 13:58:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 31091 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Boruch Baum Cc: 31091@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 31091-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B31091.15231958749919 (code B ref 31091); Sun, 08 Apr 2018 13:58:01 +0000 Received: (at 31091) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Apr 2018 13:57:54 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42599 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f5ApO-0002Zv-Bj for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Apr 2018 09:57:54 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:43267) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f5ApN-0002Zi-Cu for 31091@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Apr 2018 09:57:53 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f5ApE-00029w-CU for 31091@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Apr 2018 09:57:48 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:34482) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f5ApE-00029o-9T; Sun, 08 Apr 2018 09:57:44 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3228 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1f5ApD-0007IZ-A2; Sun, 08 Apr 2018 09:57:43 -0400 Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2018 16:57:46 +0300 Message-Id: <83efjpztph.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <20180408132124.jusy2anuweqbepki@E15-2016.optimum.net> (message from Boruch Baum on Sun, 8 Apr 2018 09:21:24 -0400) References: <20180408072223.5mwxvwl54v4nocr3@E15-2016.optimum.net> <83po39zwgp.fsf@gnu.org> <20180408132124.jusy2anuweqbepki@E15-2016.optimum.net> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) > Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2018 09:21:24 -0400 > From: Boruch Baum > Cc: 31091@debbugs.gnu.org > > On 2018-04-08 15:58, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > FWIW, I consider automatic shutdown in this case a misfeature, because > > this is likely to shut down a session due to some memory-related bugs > > more than anything else. > > You would want an emacs bug to bring down your entire system to just > short of a complete freeze (my experience of today / last night)? You would want to introduce a new non-trivial feature based on a single data point, which is a bug that most probably was solved many moons ago. > > I do agree with Andreas that normally a system will start paging long > > before the virtual memory threshold for that warning is exceeded. > > Not my experience today / last night. You are experiencing a particular nasty bug. From unknown Sun Jun 22 11:49:48 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#31091: 25.2: Feature Request: auto exit upon memory exhaustion warning Resent-From: Noam Postavsky Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2018 15:28:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 31091 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Boruch Baum Cc: 31091@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 31091-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B31091.152320126818038 (code B ref 31091); Sun, 08 Apr 2018 15:28:01 +0000 Received: (at 31091) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Apr 2018 15:27:48 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42661 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f5CEN-0004gs-Uh for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Apr 2018 11:27:48 -0400 Received: from mail-it0-f42.google.com ([209.85.214.42]:40281) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f5CEL-0004gf-GI for 31091@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Apr 2018 11:27:45 -0400 Received: by mail-it0-f42.google.com with SMTP id u62-v6so7226430ita.5 for <31091@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 08 Apr 2018 08:27:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version; bh=/AnYF7R1yW6ZPWEAWDyYeSIWtnM4DSmrK39fjEGc1KQ=; b=NSmpNZi627s36pGVMX6/VOSnAM6ZxziP75Ds6KZyt+NEWR//tWi8VLqT76f8D/cupM OBn8jCBjqL6iDWhlT3POpsbzanhYNoiHuYiXHXZZu0sxxIK/Lo1vL6GjvsUbu8A91Dne 0PWE+616lBVDsosm/THBf/Pto5rXzto3H9s+C1g9yIab1rTtjb0/doaq86kOpTstdxmZ qy9rBO46AdzKvcSFf1+o9yglScq83MzBhV/AZC9NhOT7+VL6tYxlJVzR+EE7rUirILdc LEi5ga5O7MVr0Yaq8FGBIMbcz9Um0u4tRbvo3nGe45dMKXFMvy+ST4XF2jTPD9JLaG8Q pONA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version; bh=/AnYF7R1yW6ZPWEAWDyYeSIWtnM4DSmrK39fjEGc1KQ=; b=UK8n0QlNQ6JuddcvdNhGTTkZk2ASwWlzb/pUB1Wps8QYOER2bRxIizZRBlJyuc8/kt jL6CazzOIjn4KCL0gGlhDqZHRUGrKyvXm6WAvMRfh6gBbj2TALUz2MuU/v9uQfsZcpZG sWBn5QkYgsPggOMkjbudm7S5o5oED+eH6zEa6RDRZBF83N6Rq1s9zkLX5kO5yJ6X0FKx SzuV9ur9gR/2S9uFSNICvDYSJ62J1cL5oaNgBXPB9nPM4aYPqexwMvRAQe5BPj39eRYq zX72S5pV1cF7EqrU8cv24Ex3HIoy+LmWAvWcLMIiVhepUkXRYyFnwa6/O9nfFEvUUkW0 z+BA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALQs6tCN8oxXzCBKW9zTAUGfiAf2xBSJm3oQf1feJZ22nP2Jfmfuz5tP AgjcAGx8BcoYK7IFAY3m5+JsCg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AIpwx49EeAsxo/an9CGstW+pIg5UhrWL/qsDyM1s8cH8Q3q/9sRmVY2zGiJ57LrGXIRP6vhfiidygQ== X-Received: by 2002:a24:b649:: with SMTP id d9-v6mr26285335itj.51.1523201259863; Sun, 08 Apr 2018 08:27:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zebian (cbl-45-2-119-34.yyz.frontiernetworks.ca. [45.2.119.34]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id m142-v6sm6018810itg.2.2018.04.08.08.27.39 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Sun, 08 Apr 2018 08:27:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Noam Postavsky References: <20180408072223.5mwxvwl54v4nocr3@E15-2016.optimum.net> Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2018 11:27:38 -0400 In-Reply-To: <20180408072223.5mwxvwl54v4nocr3@E15-2016.optimum.net> (Boruch Baum's message of "Sun, 8 Apr 2018 03:22:23 -0400") Message-ID: <87r2npn2fp.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.0.90 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Boruch Baum writes: > in time, either because the user is attentive to the mode line or the >> How do you detect that condition? > > Emacs already monitors the condition, and currently performs the following: > > 1] Adds a memory warning to the mode line; I'm not sure what mode line warning you are talking about. But, as Andreas says, and can be shown by experimenting with 'ulimit', Emacs measures usage of virtual memory. Physical memory usage is subject the allocation algorithms of the OS, and can't be reliably measured. So I don't think this feature request can be satisfied. From unknown Sun Jun 22 11:49:48 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#31091: 25.2: Feature Request: auto exit upon memory exhaustion warning Resent-From: Boruch Baum Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2018 15:55:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 31091 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Noam Postavsky Cc: 31091@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 31091-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B31091.15232028853067 (code B ref 31091); Sun, 08 Apr 2018 15:55:01 +0000 Received: (at 31091) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Apr 2018 15:54:45 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42699 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f5CeT-0000nO-Jw for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Apr 2018 11:54:45 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.15]:48113) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f5CeR-0000nB-MA for 31091@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Apr 2018 11:54:44 -0400 Received: from E15-2016.optimum.net ([108.6.168.221]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx001 [212.227.17.184]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MIuzJ-1f3Ghp2n1N-002YtA; Sun, 08 Apr 2018 17:54:37 +0200 Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2018 11:54:32 -0400 From: Boruch Baum Message-ID: <20180408155432.so73cpgt4kvjsggq@E15-2016.optimum.net> References: <20180408072223.5mwxvwl54v4nocr3@E15-2016.optimum.net> <87r2npn2fp.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <87r2npn2fp.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: NeoMutt/20180223 X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:MIm5hivqHk0ffOxE0BKu03uAtlwU977cYtoaTImeIKr2HLPrz7K E1xHP5euE6qIrQtBJXMXrjtmqBInXMDL25UOuGB0oYK2N/Gg2U7B7he3TyGefWDStlZ4Cjs IPLAVXTRqAno5mClklaVCWURw4ckYUlY+CeFSDksXHg+E51B+MNLmDXYjXD/SYZuEYjGb7e LzYLgYPMopZdVDBL+9tWw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:DEGspDpJhg4=:ha1VrqYmv0Xh4SMweQ6rRk 9/ySOs/XWU+sCG7C7ufq+4x5MkTTlD/n/zUmrc9hdYhYl+kn+gjJ2+1UHByejHulCVxdCqnpn 8grjqKbU6IcFWRzPV/rqnEvNuUDPOE4XzrxvG8yEzi6q+gW4Jmf/ww937K1sFGKdF7e2OxZp6 oAnm9vAsr/momT6TuaCGbc4rQRCw9HbSgihRZoj0alO+MDG5GcGKKB4BkMvoJoan1wyApBBYe OJ0RaQ5hyWSxaIP3fZxrVhd+7sJ2yAu+H4GiWxps4TIErA9VrEzOL0LXz+j9zhA1PGnphv1Pa FubgZuwRqgMn2NzFCWPmAlg9a1LEnPY30L0cMzAZTlFRRSsX/qGmZEZVhz0pUaCAx1kWSc7wC gsOHv6U9RM1Zedh49VlUoBeQ9dmOIpThhQB3+EalXSpWF8lL45EkjoS4UlnpccH36PQ9PqnI/ qJL1r59hQNE1pkf5f+I6AIarlnnxeS9jjatu68sujgxlbttcOJMpB91QG4UBTWNp6VDevOEbd mmt+GjIaOzRszwn5Pdc+79e4ujPuoO/a6xeEyxCfvsPKc4hhgZRhPCVLgFgt0sMl8tQ7D5Ggr hl1zZU06ebwK2jwRC7zVyHdBT9/Nmi7ZhtxAFwHxZVphsrxxh296gUHpibzZNCCkDyPHPAOJM JSOIca21Rqoj9zGiZe64I5BM4cfdDkXU9IWX2Wllj/FL2XWUVgaXeFJJOYNAqldf7dXKbqN0W C1FmIRvA2aBXUBTT5jsuW8cjdO+itq+EPnFJqrtvNvHDdfuL8ihKBPX4ZEUXUAx2bHiFp01GM DeMcFvj7BbyQsE647lrj+QQSqYBZA== X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) On 2018-04-08 11:27, Noam Postavsky wrote: > Boruch Baum writes: > > Emacs already monitors the condition, and currently performs the following: > > > > 1] Adds a memory warning to the mode line; > > I'm not sure what mode line warning you are talking about. mode-line-front-space is a variable defined in ‘bindings.el’. Its value is (:eval (if (display-graphic-p) " " "-")) This variable may be risky if used as a file-local variable. Documentation: Mode line construct to put at the front of the mode line. By default, this construct is displayed right at the beginning of the mode line, except that if there is a memory-full message, it is displayed first. > So I don't think this feature request can be satisfied. The same logic that currently issues the warning messages would perform the shutdown if a variable were set. -- hkp://keys.gnupg.net CA45 09B5 5351 7C11 A9D1 7286 0036 9E45 1595 8BC0 From unknown Sun Jun 22 11:49:48 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#31091: 25.2: Feature Request: auto exit upon memory exhaustion warning Resent-From: Andreas Schwab Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2018 16:11:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 31091 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Boruch Baum Cc: 31091@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 31091-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B31091.15232038084506 (code B ref 31091); Sun, 08 Apr 2018 16:11:02 +0000 Received: (at 31091) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Apr 2018 16:10:08 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42711 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f5CtM-0001Ab-DW for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Apr 2018 12:10:08 -0400 Received: from mail-out.m-online.net ([212.18.0.10]:58531) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f5CtK-0001AT-9A for 31091@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Apr 2018 12:10:06 -0400 Received: from frontend01.mail.m-online.net (unknown [192.168.8.182]) by mail-out.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40Jz0s1Twnz1qtNv; Sun, 8 Apr 2018 18:10:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (dynscan1.mnet-online.de [192.168.6.70]) by mail.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40Jz0s0JQ3z1qqkJ; Sun, 8 Apr 2018 18:10:05 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mnet-online.de Received: from mail.mnet-online.de ([192.168.8.182]) by localhost (dynscan1.mail.m-online.net [192.168.6.70]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qAU5nrFfGBph; Sun, 8 Apr 2018 18:10:04 +0200 (CEST) X-Auth-Info: tteKcPFB8SQWJKz+ow2i6khu6oWqvWb6xg6HedbI7OS1vFMxSCMxnK/iZPCvMN4S Received: from localhost (ppp-188-174-148-14.dynamic.mnet-online.de [188.174.148.14]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.mnet-online.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA; Sun, 8 Apr 2018 18:10:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: by localhost (Postfix, from userid 1000) id DF46C2C2D9D; Sun, 8 Apr 2018 18:10:03 +0200 (CEST) From: Andreas Schwab References: <20180408072223.5mwxvwl54v4nocr3@E15-2016.optimum.net> <87o9iuf85p.fsf@linux-m68k.org> <20180408075921.2jatgor6uyulnnr7@E15-2016.optimum.net> <87fu46f62c.fsf@linux-m68k.org> <20180408084601.r4mezduwuli7m6f5@E15-2016.optimum.net> <878t9yeyay.fsf@linux-m68k.org> <20180408114937.3ryciqfbv2j5c2rv@E15-2016.optimum.net> X-Yow: I appoint you ambassador to Fantasy Island!!! Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2018 18:10:03 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20180408114937.3ryciqfbv2j5c2rv@E15-2016.optimum.net> (Boruch Baum's message of "Sun, 8 Apr 2018 07:49:37 -0400") Message-ID: <874lklfzms.fsf@linux-m68k.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.0.91 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-) On Apr 08 2018, Boruch Baum wrote: > On 2018-04-08 13:24, Andreas Schwab wrote: >> But physical memory will be exhausted long before virtual memory is. >> And it may not even be Emacs which exhausted it. > > Before you commit to what you wrote, why not try it yourself first; How is that relevant? That statement is true for every process. Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org GPG Key fingerprint = 58CA 54C7 6D53 942B 1756 01D3 44D5 214B 8276 4ED5 "And now for something completely different." From unknown Sun Jun 22 11:49:48 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#31091: 25.2: Feature Request: auto exit upon memory exhaustion warning Resent-From: Andreas Schwab Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2018 16:14:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 31091 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Boruch Baum Cc: Noam Postavsky , 31091@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 31091-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B31091.15232040404812 (code B ref 31091); Sun, 08 Apr 2018 16:14:01 +0000 Received: (at 31091) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Apr 2018 16:14:00 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42715 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f5Cx5-0001FX-UP for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Apr 2018 12:14:00 -0400 Received: from mail-out.m-online.net ([212.18.0.9]:56717) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f5Cx4-0001FP-1K for 31091@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Apr 2018 12:13:58 -0400 Received: from frontend01.mail.m-online.net (unknown [192.168.8.182]) by mail-out.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40Jz5K3P55z1qvTd; Sun, 8 Apr 2018 18:13:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (dynscan1.mnet-online.de [192.168.6.70]) by mail.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40Jz5K1kxNz1qqkJ; Sun, 8 Apr 2018 18:13:57 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mnet-online.de Received: from mail.mnet-online.de ([192.168.8.182]) by localhost (dynscan1.mail.m-online.net [192.168.6.70]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id y7ypksnnATBu; Sun, 8 Apr 2018 18:13:56 +0200 (CEST) X-Auth-Info: XXDA5FXri1tCnkNli7kFYnKJQ+kzfqW6nwV7PZhO9dBA39U/OYWoZZEtRReZIMQ+ Received: from localhost (ppp-188-174-148-14.dynamic.mnet-online.de [188.174.148.14]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.mnet-online.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA; Sun, 8 Apr 2018 18:13:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: by localhost (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 2F9C62C2D9D; Sun, 8 Apr 2018 18:13:56 +0200 (CEST) From: Andreas Schwab References: <20180408072223.5mwxvwl54v4nocr3@E15-2016.optimum.net> <87r2npn2fp.fsf@gmail.com> <20180408155432.so73cpgt4kvjsggq@E15-2016.optimum.net> X-Yow: .. I want to perform cranial activities with Tuesday Weld!! Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2018 18:13:56 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20180408155432.so73cpgt4kvjsggq@E15-2016.optimum.net> (Boruch Baum's message of "Sun, 8 Apr 2018 11:54:32 -0400") Message-ID: <87zi2dekvv.fsf@linux-m68k.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.0.91 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-) On Apr 08 2018, Boruch Baum wrote: > The same logic that currently issues the warning messages would perform > the shutdown if a variable were set. That logic cannot predict the shortage of a systemwide shared resource. Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org GPG Key fingerprint = 58CA 54C7 6D53 942B 1756 01D3 44D5 214B 8276 4ED5 "And now for something completely different." From unknown Sun Jun 22 11:49:48 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#31091: 25.2: Feature Request: auto exit upon memory exhaustion warning Resent-From: Boruch Baum Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2018 16:18:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 31091 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Andreas Schwab Cc: 31091@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 31091-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B31091.15232042515180 (code B ref 31091); Sun, 08 Apr 2018 16:18:02 +0000 Received: (at 31091) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Apr 2018 16:17:31 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42724 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f5D0V-0001LU-MD for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Apr 2018 12:17:31 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.18]:59379) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f5D0T-0001LH-Qy for 31091@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Apr 2018 12:17:30 -0400 Received: from E15-2016.optimum.net ([108.6.168.221]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx003 [212.227.17.184]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MCLx3-1fEJpD1wcD-0095jD; Sun, 08 Apr 2018 18:17:22 +0200 Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2018 12:17:19 -0400 From: Boruch Baum Message-ID: <20180408161719.cflt3pa3x5b6tilu@E15-2016.optimum.net> References: <20180408072223.5mwxvwl54v4nocr3@E15-2016.optimum.net> <87o9iuf85p.fsf@linux-m68k.org> <20180408075921.2jatgor6uyulnnr7@E15-2016.optimum.net> <87fu46f62c.fsf@linux-m68k.org> <20180408084601.r4mezduwuli7m6f5@E15-2016.optimum.net> <878t9yeyay.fsf@linux-m68k.org> <20180408114937.3ryciqfbv2j5c2rv@E15-2016.optimum.net> <874lklfzms.fsf@linux-m68k.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <874lklfzms.fsf@linux-m68k.org> User-Agent: NeoMutt/20180223 X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:1J8tuVI3j2D14kzXq8X3rX+w0FRnPzrlBYAyICYrV2TAtVjW1PP 1t78r9jPb2oY9EA+y0wRFJM55vTImJyvl3vZg+di4qEotdCi9vnUBcnh7Jv7stAjQQsImZs iLUkt4BtXGbVSS4P9KajLJGPwoG436KUReqDRp3sA/wLxGY9nUmDSwIKlF/N996eE2IOzpd BvXLuDaAbwlkWmW9C+0Bw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:g6Ma3T3OC58=:XR7RwBAmBQn/taxSSVHoQQ gWwHwYsnJIBvc07zTA4HKF4H1DDp0ZgiEYQ7mtGpRMyGHWXxBbZp+Ng0tbvtAsmpZ5daCahHn laNqP6jLzRNmwNBkgCMwK+hucLnAshAsRJCfIJdiDiN6su6WAEN2ssRZgby6pfsnF+jFY4trC j5jnHK5RtZQmGbgScWWYJgDtw98U756SK3TmJCV37HUvWP9ey75SiX4eOgzmVjc/qZD0qq+oH fzID6r42Szkl0zTg0P/qjZwL6QAN7yUDBjQ9LxCyR0Wn9dKChStSOeoMzIx8SwjCn/q9yI4DI BdWdaD1UoXi2tc1lKgCWi1n1IIrV46U9FgTQQ7ETgdpqsyLZ9ahZ38UuSiZ2Yse3Dgx04V0Zr y7IPDwKC7+9LzuYMRiugE5yPmXH2jpjxGln9fwayQnFg88t7T81LwfgZ8OoF3raeWJ6CWT4lu uY4vEmJD3KKWIh+9xzpfwkN79WdYFmjrrDE7s5dd63F5Ugy1Kw9wxnvNHJGgx2dhQugPEfnSL vKutmi/b9BncIzB/FPOFD/a5pNJqjlqU3EkJy2sdvCpgllkx3AY4AnPl9dwQfZn8E3GXo11gl IQPpt44rRxiO95g4sk675iBLyGKagdteFJiondnmXU7Ph+r5D4qPbex5muscHpYqhRFOu/bS5 xJrLR+SMrRb4jzBu+I2rjoShKGQXXVSaYREYuUcSB33BY/wZQCPPiYnZuAtg6Lsu4J3SsNOv2 NRWE/Zs46cOslYDqIkAmJ1w/beEUy/gSN1fgRxwUGvdPgjmu/YEjQQNGn0TAmbd55z9xFybas BnyVi/OlSJx+3YmHJ7zYRkzolTsoA== X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) On 2018-04-08 18:10, Andreas Schwab wrote: > On Apr 08 2018, Boruch Baum wrote: > > > On 2018-04-08 13:24, Andreas Schwab wrote: > >> But physical memory will be exhausted long before virtual memory is. > >> And it may not even be Emacs which exhausted it. > > > > Before you commit to what you wrote, why not try it yourself first; > > How is that relevant? That statement is true for every process. It's relevant because its reality, and doing so might force you to confront a reality at odds with your statements. -- hkp://keys.gnupg.net CA45 09B5 5351 7C11 A9D1 7286 0036 9E45 1595 8BC0 From unknown Sun Jun 22 11:49:48 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#31091: 25.2: Feature Request: auto exit upon memory exhaustion warning Resent-From: Andreas Schwab Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2018 16:22:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 31091 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: Boruch Baum , 31091@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 31091-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B31091.15232044955577 (code B ref 31091); Sun, 08 Apr 2018 16:22:02 +0000 Received: (at 31091) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Apr 2018 16:21:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42735 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f5D4R-0001Rt-MZ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Apr 2018 12:21:35 -0400 Received: from mail-out.m-online.net ([212.18.0.9]:49678) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f5D4Q-0001Rl-Qm for 31091@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Apr 2018 12:21:35 -0400 Received: from frontend01.mail.m-online.net (unknown [192.168.8.182]) by mail-out.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40JzG61v2Rz1qvBw; Sun, 8 Apr 2018 18:21:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (dynscan1.mnet-online.de [192.168.6.70]) by mail.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40JzG61ZYDz1qqkK; Sun, 8 Apr 2018 18:21:34 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mnet-online.de Received: from mail.mnet-online.de ([192.168.8.182]) by localhost (dynscan1.mail.m-online.net [192.168.6.70]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ivxDvDqS3IHF; Sun, 8 Apr 2018 18:21:33 +0200 (CEST) X-Auth-Info: KBFwjRWoeN10B+wiOFkM4S0tRJVQ7qOuUfuItrtLR9gnIqySlUTQUOkAHQcQ+Nam Received: from localhost (ppp-188-174-148-14.dynamic.mnet-online.de [188.174.148.14]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.mnet-online.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA; Sun, 8 Apr 2018 18:21:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: by localhost (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 1FC762C2D9D; Sun, 8 Apr 2018 18:21:33 +0200 (CEST) From: Andreas Schwab References: <20180408072223.5mwxvwl54v4nocr3@E15-2016.optimum.net> <83po39zwgp.fsf@gnu.org> <20180408132124.jusy2anuweqbepki@E15-2016.optimum.net> <83efjpztph.fsf@gnu.org> X-Yow: Clear the laundromat!! This whirl-o-matic just had a nuclear meltdown!! Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2018 18:21:33 +0200 In-Reply-To: <83efjpztph.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sun, 08 Apr 2018 16:57:46 +0300") Message-ID: <87sh85ekj6.fsf@linux-m68k.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.0.91 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-) On Apr 08 2018, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> Not my experience today / last night. > > You are experiencing a particular nasty bug. The only bug is that apropos-value uses a sub-optimal implementation that produces a lot of data. Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org GPG Key fingerprint = 58CA 54C7 6D53 942B 1756 01D3 44D5 214B 8276 4ED5 "And now for something completely different." 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[45.2.119.34]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id m20sm10289504ioo.66.2018.04.08.09.30.28 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Sun, 08 Apr 2018 09:30:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Noam Postavsky References: <20180408072223.5mwxvwl54v4nocr3@E15-2016.optimum.net> <87r2npn2fp.fsf@gmail.com> <20180408155432.so73cpgt4kvjsggq@E15-2016.optimum.net> Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2018 12:30:27 -0400 In-Reply-To: <20180408155432.so73cpgt4kvjsggq@E15-2016.optimum.net> (Boruch Baum's message of "Sun, 8 Apr 2018 11:54:32 -0400") Message-ID: <87lgdxmzj0.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.0.90 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Boruch Baum writes: > On 2018-04-08 11:27, Noam Postavsky wrote: >> Boruch Baum writes: >> > Emacs already monitors the condition, and currently performs the following: >> > >> > 1] Adds a memory warning to the mode line; >> >> I'm not sure what mode line warning you are talking about. > > By default, this construct is displayed right at the beginning of > the mode line, except that if there is a memory-full message, it > is displayed first. Ah, looks like that warning is non-operational in most configurations though: static const char * decode_mode_spec (struct window *w, register int c, int field_width, Lisp_Object *string) { [...] case 'e': #if !defined SYSTEM_MALLOC && !defined HYBRID_MALLOC { if (NILP (Vmemory_full)) return ""; else return "!MEM FULL! "; } #else return ""; #endif >> So I don't think this feature request can be satisfied. > > The same logic that currently issues the warning messages would perform > the shutdown if a variable were set. Hmm, I guess I'm not sure what advantage an abrubt shutdown has over a warning. And as far as I understand, you never saw the warnings messages, so it wouldn't have helped in your case anyway, since you didn't hit the virtual memory limit. 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[45.2.119.34]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id j28sm8853925iod.84.2018.04.08.09.31.42 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Sun, 08 Apr 2018 09:31:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Noam Postavsky References: <20180408072223.5mwxvwl54v4nocr3@E15-2016.optimum.net> <83po39zwgp.fsf@gnu.org> <20180408132124.jusy2anuweqbepki@E15-2016.optimum.net> <83efjpztph.fsf@gnu.org> <87sh85ekj6.fsf@linux-m68k.org> Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2018 12:31:41 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87sh85ekj6.fsf@linux-m68k.org> (Andreas Schwab's message of "Sun, 08 Apr 2018 18:21:33 +0200") Message-ID: <87in91mzgy.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.0.90 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Andreas Schwab writes: > On Apr 08 2018, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > >>> Not my experience today / last night. >> >> You are experiencing a particular nasty bug. > > The only bug is that apropos-value uses a sub-optimal implementation > that produces a lot of data. No, it's probably Bug#26952, as I mentioned earlier. From unknown Sun Jun 22 11:49:48 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#31091: 25.2: Feature Request: auto exit upon memory exhaustion warning Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2018 16:38:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 31091 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Andreas Schwab Cc: boruch_baum@gmx.com, 31091@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 31091-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B31091.15232054577067 (code B ref 31091); Sun, 08 Apr 2018 16:38:01 +0000 Received: (at 31091) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Apr 2018 16:37:37 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42758 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f5DJx-0001pv-6t for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Apr 2018 12:37:37 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:51760) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f5DJw-0001pj-0Q for 31091@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Apr 2018 12:37:36 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f5DJn-0007bZ-CD for 31091@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Apr 2018 12:37:30 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:36621) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f5DJn-0007bR-8Z; Sun, 08 Apr 2018 12:37:27 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3692 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1f5DJm-0006K9-Jw; Sun, 08 Apr 2018 12:37:27 -0400 Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2018 19:37:29 +0300 Message-Id: <83a7udzmba.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <87sh85ekj6.fsf@linux-m68k.org> (message from Andreas Schwab on Sun, 08 Apr 2018 18:21:33 +0200) References: <20180408072223.5mwxvwl54v4nocr3@E15-2016.optimum.net> <83po39zwgp.fsf@gnu.org> <20180408132124.jusy2anuweqbepki@E15-2016.optimum.net> <83efjpztph.fsf@gnu.org> <87sh85ekj6.fsf@linux-m68k.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) > From: Andreas Schwab > Cc: Boruch Baum , 31091@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2018 18:21:33 +0200 > > > You are experiencing a particular nasty bug. > > The only bug is that apropos-value uses a sub-optimal implementation > that produces a lot of data. No, I meant memory-allocation trouble in Emacs 25.x on some versions of GNU/Linux. The same command doesn't get me anywhere near the memory-full threshold in later versions of Emacs. From unknown Sun Jun 22 11:49:48 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#31091: 25.2: Feature Request: auto exit upon memory exhaustion warning Resent-From: Boruch Baum Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2018 16:59:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 31091 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Noam Postavsky Cc: 31091@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 31091-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B31091.15232067118965 (code B ref 31091); Sun, 08 Apr 2018 16:59:01 +0000 Received: (at 31091) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Apr 2018 16:58:31 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42781 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f5DeB-0002KW-Ll for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Apr 2018 12:58:31 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.19]:47543) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f5DeA-0002KK-6m for 31091@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Apr 2018 12:58:30 -0400 Received: from E15-2016.optimum.net ([108.6.168.221]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx003 [212.227.17.184]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LnfuZ-1eZCDI1G5n-00huSZ; Sun, 08 Apr 2018 18:58:23 +0200 Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2018 12:58:19 -0400 From: Boruch Baum Message-ID: <20180408165819.bsf534bjiwfsgmx4@E15-2016.optimum.net> References: <20180408072223.5mwxvwl54v4nocr3@E15-2016.optimum.net> <87r2npn2fp.fsf@gmail.com> <20180408155432.so73cpgt4kvjsggq@E15-2016.optimum.net> <87lgdxmzj0.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87lgdxmzj0.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: NeoMutt/20180223 X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:TYqy8ALQViMW0CkjmsZPEYNZRv3/JPaH87kwcikMtnppJIo7aDl Dbr7Mz8pLsYOBkdq30G6XgCXa+VjRZEzzP7zuYwC1N3XEHn9SRjNEp8nUvTx0qvFoqDneTt nUQqxF81nVAzSkOILtUlPsuA3QMB4Hge3E7/o6Ebqx4MKYHj+jviapmy0mbGYWX7hWwk7fD msTRdrlElNOmqJ5mrbVFA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:hF1Mxvt+Xw0=:hq0jFZZUvtQQOpYySm4HOQ plABfcS7v6iVl9NnyAbzjc0w9JVLyq0eApMpuMhrN6wTgm/6DFycyolvb1MwkGyk2lofYYBoV 7/L0m+KX5lGFWi67uRCrF4wtbusjZH910tEVXGvRiQmUlrdW5N8wFjClkU7usJY6iErvuHz6d 51c3Y2eb/DWk98IOCAVQzXnGk14GuoqX3BtQOeBRSFP5DhjeR3oeotUn/IVONeP/kSU+YaaO1 JzVTFFu1EXXf5b3PIr0nbT17TUyoh23MDhO0N4APHE3lq4pNAUdyYoR5B1DHhKfWJiuZKgrNr Txwotla0z6+oQZw+wZcpkEkZR8l8v6BEj4ikNnxy61CIbfZ34GqH4qTCO0R3fqSCIASDgFobp Yjyvf5M06O2fRsfRou8sx9e80WMYyx1dl3ZWhzI7Ubo9GVxZq8wPLEQ2oLFa6JMgZ+pliB4UY 4dWa3AtngO/rx+F4tt1HyNp7gXXGpj7LJ29rnXj51HpKkwS8TsCuNqoRjEOZ673pd2u4AcgEf Zqc/LNf5qKPGEkIykRJ8uKMeg/BnE0Jl/Ta+kFaKOssvYBzIUXow07s14O/FlDTO03yvIXNPn I0FncCgCKFuNZxVobDceiwE4EQA7PKissMXel4fyy5StrND3anhgP4A4pRrmAxHO98pCy/Lf7 UtrjtLtmmzVuc64IvWv1GLuNxl37EUzqkoAHcrLOpYSatK7uZ51kMBHy8+IYC7QZ4BeWlq9Nr H6AuJyYS/MYSqOYg6uMgtlx+tGP8Liw9IRWwQykgZERAQ/cqpk0T+jTi5JWDcpo6t6gANLaGI vxsX3QOvwOq9/fx5sYtLHEfBta5MA== X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) On 2018-04-08 12:30, Noam Postavsky wrote: > Hmm, I guess I'm not sure what advantage an abrubt shutdown has over a > warning. The most useful case would be of a user is running a time-consuming operation or an asynchronous operation, maybe a long repetitive macro, for which the current warning would be generated at near the beginning of the operation and system freeze would happen in mid-operation. > And as far as I understand, you never saw the warnings > messages, I did see the mini-buffer advice and warning, and ignored it, and I did see the mode line warning, and ignored it. 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[45.2.119.34]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id r66-v6sm410295itc.12.2018.04.08.10.26.09 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Sun, 08 Apr 2018 10:26:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Noam Postavsky References: <20180408072223.5mwxvwl54v4nocr3@E15-2016.optimum.net> <87r2npn2fp.fsf@gmail.com> <20180408155432.so73cpgt4kvjsggq@E15-2016.optimum.net> <87lgdxmzj0.fsf@gmail.com> <20180408165819.bsf534bjiwfsgmx4@E15-2016.optimum.net> Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2018 13:26:08 -0400 In-Reply-To: <20180408165819.bsf534bjiwfsgmx4@E15-2016.optimum.net> (Boruch Baum's message of "Sun, 8 Apr 2018 12:58:19 -0400") Message-ID: <87bmetmwy7.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.0.90 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Boruch Baum writes: > On 2018-04-08 12:30, Noam Postavsky wrote: >> Hmm, I guess I'm not sure what advantage an abrubt shutdown has over a >> warning. > > The most useful case would be of a user is running a time-consuming > operation or an asynchronous operation, maybe a long repetitive macro, > for which the current warning would be generated at near the beginning > of the operation and system freeze would happen in mid-operation. The final out-of-memory message comes via `signal', so any operation would be interrupted. Although the almost-out-of-memory warnings just use display-warnings, so they don't interrupt anything. >> And as far as I understand, you never saw the warnings >> messages, > > I did see the mini-buffer advice and warning, and ignored it, and I did > see the mode line warning, and ignored it. Added to the long list of > things I've done -- once. Hmm, I'm surprised you actually hit the warning. Are you on a 32 bit system with about 4GB RAM? I guess you could hit the 75% warning at 3GB allocation, and then start swapping soon after, if other processes are using about 1GB RAM. From unknown Sun Jun 22 11:49:48 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#31091: 25.2: Feature Request: auto exit upon memory exhaustion warning Resent-From: Andreas Schwab Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2018 17:29:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 31091 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Boruch Baum Cc: 31091@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 31091-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B31091.152320850619197 (code B ref 31091); Sun, 08 Apr 2018 17:29:01 +0000 Received: (at 31091) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Apr 2018 17:28:26 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42799 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f5E77-0004zZ-Oc for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Apr 2018 13:28:25 -0400 Received: from mail-out.m-online.net ([212.18.0.9]:53389) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f5E75-0004zQ-RN for 31091@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Apr 2018 13:28:24 -0400 Received: from frontend01.mail.m-online.net (unknown [192.168.8.182]) by mail-out.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40K0lB6q8Nz1qvTf; Sun, 8 Apr 2018 19:28:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (dynscan1.mnet-online.de [192.168.6.70]) by mail.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40K0lB5pz7z1qqkJ; Sun, 8 Apr 2018 19:28:22 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mnet-online.de Received: from mail.mnet-online.de ([192.168.8.182]) by localhost (dynscan1.mail.m-online.net [192.168.6.70]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id K6jXZb2Cz258; Sun, 8 Apr 2018 19:28:20 +0200 (CEST) X-Auth-Info: dqQQbTvIlMExLNEEnecWzIOMpfrLsBkHLCVwY9ghnTut/MZysywXB5EQlwPO4L2+ Received: from localhost (ppp-188-174-148-14.dynamic.mnet-online.de [188.174.148.14]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.mnet-online.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA; Sun, 8 Apr 2018 19:28:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: by localhost (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 51B2B2C2DAD; Sun, 8 Apr 2018 19:28:20 +0200 (CEST) From: Andreas Schwab References: <20180408072223.5mwxvwl54v4nocr3@E15-2016.optimum.net> <87o9iuf85p.fsf@linux-m68k.org> <20180408075921.2jatgor6uyulnnr7@E15-2016.optimum.net> <87fu46f62c.fsf@linux-m68k.org> <20180408084601.r4mezduwuli7m6f5@E15-2016.optimum.net> <878t9yeyay.fsf@linux-m68k.org> <20180408114937.3ryciqfbv2j5c2rv@E15-2016.optimum.net> <874lklfzms.fsf@linux-m68k.org> <20180408161719.cflt3pa3x5b6tilu@E15-2016.optimum.net> X-Yow: Hmmm... a PINHEAD, during an EARTHQUAKE, encounters an ALL-MIDGET FIDDLE ORCHESTRA... ha.. ha.. Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2018 19:28:20 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20180408161719.cflt3pa3x5b6tilu@E15-2016.optimum.net> (Boruch Baum's message of "Sun, 8 Apr 2018 12:17:19 -0400") Message-ID: <87o9itehfv.fsf@linux-m68k.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.0.91 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-) On Apr 08 2018, Boruch Baum wrote: > It's relevant because its reality, and doing so might force you to > confront a reality at odds with your statements. It isn't. Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org GPG Key fingerprint = 58CA 54C7 6D53 942B 1756 01D3 44D5 214B 8276 4ED5 "And now for something completely different." From unknown Sun Jun 22 11:49:48 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#31091: [OFFLIST] Re: bug#31091: 25.2: Feature Request: auto exit upon memory exhaustion warning Resent-From: Noam Postavsky Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2018 21:59:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 31091 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Boruch Baum , 31091@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 31091-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B31091.152322472318112 (code B ref 31091); Sun, 08 Apr 2018 21:59:01 +0000 Received: (at 31091) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Apr 2018 21:58:43 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42909 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f5IKh-0004i4-4N for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Apr 2018 17:58:43 -0400 Received: from mail-oi0-f50.google.com ([209.85.218.50]:37538) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f5IKe-0004hr-UP for 31091@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Apr 2018 17:58:41 -0400 Received: by mail-oi0-f50.google.com with SMTP id f63-v6so5846863oic.4 for <31091@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 08 Apr 2018 14:58:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=nM3bqJ+dA5EsB0CVxhW6wYKd32DbxlhW+dRewQ33wiY=; b=NvdvFTY4F/RYoDzatrWJZ8efCO7f4tA9xBnEYgcEp+0kOSH8BstuTdO65wmz3MHaD4 kcf5yZHIQADaAI+hN9cyltuHW6vSGcblYOdMWGNxyjsNLUkUb3M8h67c9BJNSkXlVi4F 3Fp75TwcgLHnBQIHZFjt7SS3GIoNamhtfhvRbvKhw0D/s9WK2Ko7CADnh11CXRmRk7zj 4LM/g2Szf+I+Lt4gNXXiUpMNgjVtIXh1JPg1mee7erdgT0FTeBUmEt3uLRRhdqG7e2w+ Gu3rm9SAD3khr6+0PgSIP+QGzW9aUEMsVZWUCU1q0Ub8f/IQK1DppVljEmoCDGILYrLq epkg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=nM3bqJ+dA5EsB0CVxhW6wYKd32DbxlhW+dRewQ33wiY=; b=PMlCKxSidYx3lIri2M1quG8lY9BwhjI1WTEdoLb/oI8BIqMTU61/IpsdwahgcDua8t xiubicFddxgN8lU6bYviINN3aJHQSRbAGsNqQtD+IDvWoj6PXGor4jvmGTyTNSwkROLy 69sxW+xdYRfu9ZX3gYx4r0ukqg8CRy1J50pFUVyDpQG2IkD8j9kczseJW5Ek9uBacqyf 2KVLOZIX35mKX/HkqNl98o2ASNnw4EcF82C9o75gz+LB1rJGCsFbi6Y9nUEYHd96/zds pMXcgh8NfC8fqvLfUmNQ9SObkzRq8Y9V0471HpTEVVirTdNHN2L0PuMu5Heb+a5FeAcV FYfw== X-Gm-Message-State: AElRT7GO0X05DroHLE+dydI4tmQOAQORRq/ZoDEjn04PJ3yTx8L1TjNi Un0IpXfoIVx6Infvcw7UZdKAIW0U9bSgNlL/zmg= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AIpwx4+F1V4xG5VexTCwUZ+6QVLdVkXiHZdVZqA+SWmsHVJV2aM7Ua1Uau6togmmV5gs5u5ZSPOzl3750wmqBP4MN1c= X-Received: by 2002:aca:5bd6:: with SMTP id p205-v6mr18894176oib.239.1523224715190; Sun, 08 Apr 2018 14:58:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.74.139.213 with HTTP; Sun, 8 Apr 2018 14:58:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20180408181013.6hw7ec3fi2dvfeja@E15-2016.optimum.net> References: <20180408072223.5mwxvwl54v4nocr3@E15-2016.optimum.net> <87r2npn2fp.fsf@gmail.com> <20180408155432.so73cpgt4kvjsggq@E15-2016.optimum.net> <87lgdxmzj0.fsf@gmail.com> <20180408165819.bsf534bjiwfsgmx4@E15-2016.optimum.net> <87bmetmwy7.fsf@gmail.com> <20180408181013.6hw7ec3fi2dvfeja@E15-2016.optimum.net> From: Noam Postavsky Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2018 17:58:34 -0400 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On 8 April 2018 at 14:10, Boruch Baum wrote: > On 2018-04-08 13:26, Noam Postavsky wrote: >> Hmm, I'm surprised you actually hit the warning. Are you on a 32 bit >> system with about 4GB RAM? I guess you could hit the 75% warning at 3GB >> allocation, and then start swapping soon after, if other processes are >> using about 1GB RAM. > > 64-bit 4GB RAM Huh. I have a similar machine, and I never saw the warning until I started using ulimit. I can't understand how you hit it. From unknown Sun Jun 22 11:49:48 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#31091: 25.2: Feature Request: auto exit upon memory exhaustion warning Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2022 14:27:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 31091 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Andreas Schwab Cc: Boruch Baum , 31091@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 31091-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B31091.16508103684746 (code B ref 31091); Sun, 24 Apr 2022 14:27:01 +0000 Received: (at 31091) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Apr 2022 14:26:08 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59857 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nidBg-0001EU-C9 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 24 Apr 2022 10:26:08 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:40876) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nidBe-0001E0-Un for 31091@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 24 Apr 2022 10:26:07 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=HKMEnkXVdUWfVLzKCJOjdgSPGvm3qG7tAgZ15tb9FiQ=; b=ZM81UVdsXnwWQl8cB4PkeQk4QK 74C13bhmX6WSRjXTF9gcln3gTeMBPf5z7Uf8V8fz0tgw4XDZaQYTpEdrVj3lzra8Wk9tbkeXTfvqm SSXdMtQeJjVxHWDULyKoIatCokdgTmW0jMwd1N19iGWsQwlGXgL0icmDGlPqXedvuZT4=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nidBW-00075e-Hk; Sun, 24 Apr 2022 16:26:00 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: <20180408072223.5mwxvwl54v4nocr3@E15-2016.optimum.net> <87o9iuf85p.fsf@linux-m68k.org> X-Now-Playing: Thick Pigeon's _Too Crazy Cowboys_: "Fred + Andy" Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2022 16:25:57 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87o9iuf85p.fsf@linux-m68k.org> (Andreas Schwab's message of "Sun, 08 Apr 2018 09:51:14 +0200") Message-ID: <87zgka8sne.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Andreas Schwab writes: >> I would like to suggest a optional feature to automatically save >> buffers and shut down emacs / emacs-server when this condition occurs. > > How do you detect that condition? Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Andreas Schwab writes: >> I would like to suggest a optional feature to automatically save >> buffers and shut down emacs / emacs-server when this condition occurs. > > How do you detect that condition? I don't think there's anything generally useful Emacs can do here to detect the situation -- Emacs can't know whether the machine is running out of memory one way or another. (For instance, it may be in a VM and the host is running out of memory.) 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