From unknown Thu Aug 14 18:38:31 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#30992: 27.0.50; Crash when graphics card switches Resent-From: Peter Dyballa Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2018 18:30:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 30992 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 30992@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.15223481643623 (code B ref -1); Thu, 29 Mar 2018 18:30:03 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Mar 2018 18:29:24 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58999 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f1cIe-0000wM-0E for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 29 Mar 2018 14:29:24 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:34375) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f1cIb-0000vx-89 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 29 Mar 2018 14:29:21 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f1cIU-0007Tm-MQ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 29 Mar 2018 14:29:16 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:56268) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f1cIU-0007TM-JR for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 29 Mar 2018 14:29:14 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:53509) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f1cIS-00078s-RI for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Mar 2018 14:29:14 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f1cIO-0007Fd-MT for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Mar 2018 14:29:12 -0400 Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.15.3]:51129) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f1cIO-00079I-Ch for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Mar 2018 14:29:08 -0400 Received: from sumac.fritz.box ([5.147.81.130]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb004 [213.165.67.108]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MKNl8-1f14b93wPe-001gOS for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2018 20:29:05 +0200 From: Peter Dyballa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <35E8617B-3991-4A40-BA56-D5B79AC021A8@Web.DE> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2018 20:29:00 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:zJlTaGzL+mKoazt4GGsHUPdtLPFcSbUkrrWSkj/KHfcRENi4fny pw5SEE5S/lMGbjF9xHM8h5i7y3+JBa5I6zLCfdINC4aFaywfHTdP6jCHCmNZdbxDFyWjNIR KvM5am71cf3B+XauJJ90pZbSw2xyVzxqOk2AK9QQn0Vchz2PPX2+CzhWdcRHKp0p1JQufnW 6SYql7db4J346gXe5/zEg== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:7YSvd987bWI=:Z6jTM6VkxFelPIs3WrPyFa 67DP+j1inQjdHeZakAzSTZ9+OU0pQ0XoWsvDXo51Ftgnl/8tfGkXg4igbkCN5h3zI2UDsIIZM 3JP2X6AbWcgCP9ghufeyW3EBbV3O30lYpQFlgpc6cZinkGX6Pnkwup+Z4rilzmnrGNx+7epQY ikLBkaRG/GK5jz1ay0YIx5izCoGyYYbLYtRCvzLyLEqACFJVsF/57zAzHcF7FCuulish7o3XL VbwX0MwFiAUGtwDKhppSDqaBG78+bE/D7fCRyymVIDAtDGDaw30UU/CxrCqNp2ZEXylZ/FI/x HCrJEz6vKczdpnf6pJ4xeK5Ysv5CbHMqSUgIgz4O+zRTW2oiwSKa7BFMgfryteDe+eX8gvN4Q LU2vF3o4PAMgHiHQf0NCEcYsZsFzAjEN5r/3Kqsn4HaFKf8WrAG9oW+SbWs3VKYN1U2ssO/AE SxjRFMFMDRwljNE2N+dmaMC0ECkwiP541UDkyudCuT76Ccw0JBqyXswlfcfBpXO1RuqpNep8x zw/mPaYIe7F1tQsHqXGLbLJ9HRKYG8xM8G3fGWmFL+PbcEnafPmc1v/DKbeXQe2QB18XEzgiv lCTXNe+2Ymi9UQUBMabfHSCKvUmvVrHpSFJWSt2CLk+pHHvHrrTUL+KqNBFgzoAWLUxxeA9Sd M6ssaiwsLj+VFdQMUSRDCuxg6A2bj0MU1UV5n2GV92CtA/lZ+l7PEGGNiSgA7v4y9djS6qbXA KOIGbImdin4dK9YJdx9fjRpMATUI4Aw8u2nG9hfAcfq8Z5la05NnWtxujXELKrymUxxyAqoDW QIFJKqOo7PwziJsdA3RO0WXyT8kKW1edjnZ9Tvnu/ucopLeOZo= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.1 (----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.1 (----) Hello! There were reports about failing graphics cards in one or more series' = of MacBooks Pro. Mine, 17" early 2011 with Core i7 (2720QM, "Sandy = Bridge") and upgraded to 16 GB of RAM, has AMD Radeon HD 6750M and Intel = HD 3000. The main board had to be changed in 2013, I think. Apple later = took over the cost. Around last Christmas the graphics defect appeared = again, triggered possibly by an OS upgrade from Mac OS X 10.6.8 (Snow = Leopard) to OS X 10.11.6, El Capitan. My Mac was repaired by soldering = one graphics IC (did not care which). The repair was not perfect, still = "glitches" happen, particularly when RAM is overcrowded (disk has some = ten GB free space for VM) because at least the built-in intel HD = Graphics uses normal RAM. An application, gfxCardStatus 2.3, allows to = monitor switching and also to set this or that active. I use this = function to clean the screen when artefacts are left from "voluntary" = switches (Google Earth or Java Console activate always the Radeon), one = Java application seems to produce these artefacts often. When clearing the screen by setting this and than that and than again = this graphics active (or such) the NS variant of GNU Emacs 27.0.50 = crashes very often while the X clients, GNU Emacs 26.0.90, simply = continue to work. The former was built and installed by MacPorts, the = latter is manually compiled. BTW, I intend to upgrade to OS X 10.13, High Sierra, over Easter. In GNU Emacs 27.0.50 (build 1, x86_64-apple-darwin15.6.0, NS = appkit-1404.47 Version 10.11.6 (Build 15G18013)) of 2017-12-29 built on Sumac.fritz.box Repository revision: 0bddbbc5aae621d5875880ac3e63f68d481df7c3 Windowing system distributor 'Apple', version 10.3.1404 Recent messages: Mark set [7 times] Mark activated Mark set [2 times] Undo! Mark set Auto-saving...done Saving file /Users/pete/b=C3=B6se eMail-Adressen... Wrote /Users/pete/b=C3=B6se eMail-Adressen Reverting buffer =E2=80=98pete=E2=80=99. Reverting buffer =E2=80=98virtu=E2=80=99. [3 times] Configured using: 'configure --prefix=3D/opt/local --without-ns --without-dbus --without-gconf --with-libotf --without-m17n-flt --without-gpm --without-gnutls --with-xml2 --with-modules --infodir /opt/local/share/info/emacs --with-ns --with-imagemagick CC=3D/usr/bin/clang 'CFLAGS=3D-pipe -Os -arch x86_64' 'LDFLAGS=3D-L/opt/local/lib -Wl,-headerpad_max_install_names = -Wl,-no_pie -arch x86_64' CPPFLAGS=3D-I/opt/local/include OBJC=3D/usr/bin/clang 'OBJCFLAGS=3D-pipe -Os -arch x86_64'' Configured features: JPEG RSVG IMAGEMAGICK NOTIFY ACL LIBXML2 ZLIB TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS NS MODULES LCMS2 Important settings: value of $LANG: de_DE.UTF-8 locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix Major mode: Calendar Minor modes in effect: diff-auto-refine-mode: t TeX-PDF-mode: t shell-dirtrack-mode: t delete-selection-mode: t show-paren-mode: t midnight-mode: t display-time-mode: t desktop-save-mode: t mac-print-mode: t tooltip-mode: t global-eldoc-mode: t electric-indent-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t buffer-read-only: t column-number-mode: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t Load-path shadows: /Library/Application Support/Emacs/tex-site hides = /opt/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/tex-site /Library/Application Support/Emacs/punycode hides = /opt/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/punycode /Library/Application Support/Emacs/preview-latex hides = /opt/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/preview-latex /Library/Application Support/Emacs/idna hides = /opt/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/idna /Library/Application Support/Emacs/cmake-mode hides = /opt/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/cmake-mode /Library/Application Support/Emacs/autotest-mode hides = /opt/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/autotest-mode /Library/Application Support/Emacs/autoconf-mode hides = /opt/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/autoconf-mode /Library/Application Support/Emacs/auctex hides = /opt/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/auctex /Library/Application Support/Emacs/site-start hides = /Applications/MacPorts/Emacs.app/Contents/Resources/site-lisp/site-start Features: (shadow sort mail-extr emacsbug message subr-x puny seq format-spec rfc822 mml mml-sec password-cache epa epg epg-config gnus-util rmail rmail-loaddefs mm-decode mm-bodies mm-encode mail-parse rfc2231 mailabbrev gmm-utils mailheader sendmail rfc2047 rfc2045 ietf-drums mm-util mail-prsvr mail-utils cl-extra help-mode latexenc diff-mode reftex-auc preview prv-emacs tex-buf reftex-dcr reftex reftex-loaddefs reftex-vars tex-fold noutline outline font-latex byte-opt bytecomp byte-compile cconv latex tex-ispell tex-style tex crm tex-mode elec-pair sh-script smie executable dired-aux autorevert filenotify dired-x dired dired-loaddefs lunar view diary-lib diary-loaddefs solar cal-dst holidays hol-loaddefs cal-move cal-menu calendar cal-loaddefs shell pcomplete asy-mode two-mode-mode wid-edit compile comint ansi-color ring cc-mode cc-fonts easymenu cc-guess cc-menus cc-cmds cc-styles cc-align cc-engine cc-vars cc-defs derived delsel preview-latex tex-site auto-loads time-stamp paren midnight time cus-start cus-load desktop frameset session edmacro kmacro mac-print-mode easy-mmode advice htmlize cl-seq cl-macs cl gv cl-loaddefs cl-lib time-date tooltip eldoc electric uniquify ediff-hook vc-hooks lisp-float-type mwheel term/ns-win ns-win ucs-normalize mule-util term/common-win tool-bar dnd fontset image regexp-opt fringe tabulated-list replace newcomment text-mode elisp-mode lisp-mode prog-mode register page menu-bar rfn-eshadow isearch timer select scroll-bar mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax facemenu font-core term/tty-colors frame cl-generic cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese eucjp-ms cp51932 hebrew greek romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese composite charscript charprop case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help simple abbrev obarray minibuffer cl-preloaded nadvice loaddefs button faces cus-face macroexp files text-properties overlay sha1 md5 base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget hashtable-print-readable backquote kqueue cocoa ns lcms2 multi-tty make-network-process emacs) Memory information: ((conses 16 633297 30591) (symbols 48 34021 6) (miscs 40 508 3278) (strings 32 84521 4108) (string-bytes 1 2366308) (vectors 16 53482) (vector-slots 8 1624656 182164) (floats 8 640 608) (intervals 56 32955 0) (buffers 992 112)) =E2=80=94 Greetings Pete To most people solutions mean finding the answers. But to chemists = solutions are things that are still all mixed up. From unknown Thu Aug 14 18:38:31 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#30992: (27.0.50; Crash when graphics card switches) References: <35E8617B-3991-4A40-BA56-D5B79AC021A8@Web.DE> In-Reply-To: <35E8617B-3991-4A40-BA56-D5B79AC021A8@Web.DE> Resent-From: Peter Dyballa Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2018 18:40:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 30992 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 30992@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 30992-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B30992.15223487494614 (code B ref 30992); Thu, 29 Mar 2018 18:40:01 +0000 Received: (at 30992) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Mar 2018 18:39:09 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59015 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f1cS5-0001CM-MQ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 29 Mar 2018 14:39:09 -0400 Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.15.3]:41101) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f1cS4-0001By-0p for 30992@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 29 Mar 2018 14:39:08 -0400 Received: from sumac.fritz.box ([5.147.81.130]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb004 [213.165.67.108]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LgK3g-1eEDDd3Rp6-00ngSJ for <30992@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 29 Mar 2018 20:39:01 +0200 From: Peter Dyballa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <6525C814-1113-476C-905D-44867A9161B6@Web.DE> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2018 20:39:01 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:fiMY2/z5QZUAeKzjwA/YvHAAG5jjT3YvS22+S+GI942HsLRGhNl HYQ5CPu4GnHg17jZVyGSAnagNwKK+dwMrQaZAruMk1MAzQ2vPyL6ZMxA+MEAWdDi9UeLtFh ivqLLavuoYranUUh/E/90Vs2TL8+j/B8oF8YAf0e3VJ+dl55rN6BSJyuuCV/Bj9k7+XzUXn BDA4cUw0gRnPd4BOVHOkg== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:WVV48NMCoeU=:NZhq8TPb/YJBI/979IrI7y iEtq+kkF5sxIqIVcWDC7slbDN/22+veMbEcK36EL0TnWRuTF0T+S4q1pKtI6wDmrJ/1O5CJjF 0oZnNIxRm2/uf+JNpveV7Ifc51pbTj3ISLP5IGsslXpdzy19244Wm316exeC1h7rpyY+aHMN4 jFYbl19YcvoFOGHNREpfFVHXdCH0rB7ShthUk/Ds75iVFtZHonCzMV2V+qjvQhRrptT6V1NWI lTWpIXXt5TYLQ3MMz1AhXl+u+tqFX2qDhMkVyIOU4YbuHGJtFuXmTracIOZ1d1MXgHrENu8/K U+mvAoJpm9r2QoFCAsC/hDihDIO+q3xB+UMZywydV8qgxGtzTAtJcstp3DCMJndM4KBPWDShp cXeS1Aj3Lt0OAj/SDNtlNQKrEFa0HiGZZqoJUj6Keq69zdLqiG5aAetlJ2CsgZxIbCVx41e0F eL7H8yhKZ1F0doz/TJiXIk+SRsZR8j/2FjIgLZbpzqVoPiTuQ6oscv0ygkM5Dsm6Fy4TWXykE PEAdF0/EN3NPwFGa50CXljUGJA7XGsu51aLq7eygtxfQx5HUvdyP8dQJUl/Ez37k7oj32DYCw t9pWWWKTms1jjcrO5Limphy5rkTPF0neFgLHbQyvJptpH1eV56mz9VcYyi7ptNt4gxVQHqy+Q Z+Wb6Yu3fYHIxMrhA97A5I9NCf0UDVps9SWnHL+TmAb9VmNR2hdICdzLotwzL263Rn/06rCG2 Z14I9W80PlWPqCWV8M8F4iBptmLRiXOdTocnKKt0LFtvrkt3IyO7hGsTrXtYWRifhyzSJOgJb 9H6DCkrbJvL3URNMJgKq172Tyw/cQqffSojZueRKWVKjOWY0uc= X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) It's actually from the MacPorts port (package) emacs-app-devel = @20170918_0+imagemagick+inline+multicolor_font. =E2=80=94 Greetings Pete "Klingon function calls do not have 'parameters' - they have 'arguments' = - and they ALWAYS WIN THEM." 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[2001:8b0:3f8:8129:9137:e39e:5e68:b711]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id a11sm8624788wra.50.2018.03.29.12.21.48 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 29 Mar 2018 12:21:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2018 20:21:46 +0100 From: Alan Third Message-ID: <20180329192146.GB63891@breton.holly.idiocy.org> References: <35E8617B-3991-4A40-BA56-D5B79AC021A8@Web.DE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <35E8617B-3991-4A40-BA56-D5B79AC021A8@Web.DE> User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.3 (2018-01-21) X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 08:29:00PM +0200, Peter Dyballa wrote: > When clearing the screen by setting this and than that and than > again this graphics active (or such) the NS variant of GNU Emacs > 27.0.50 crashes very often while the X clients, GNU Emacs 26.0.90, > simply continue to work. The former was built and installed by > MacPorts, the latter is manually compiled. Hi, I can’t test this as my lowly macbook pro only has one graphics card. Can you get a backtrace from the crash? -- Alan Third From unknown Thu Aug 14 18:38:31 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#30992: 27.0.50; Crash when graphics card switches Resent-From: Peter Dyballa Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2018 23:19:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 30992 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Alan Third Cc: 30992@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 30992-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B30992.15223655024628 (code B ref 30992); Thu, 29 Mar 2018 23:19:01 +0000 Received: (at 30992) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Mar 2018 23:18:22 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59174 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f1goI-0001Ca-KS for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 29 Mar 2018 19:18:22 -0400 Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.15.3]:44725) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f1goH-0001CN-1i for 30992@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 29 Mar 2018 19:18:21 -0400 Received: from sumac.fritz.box ([5.147.81.130]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb004 [213.165.67.108]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MZRnx-1fFeNy3J8f-00LGXO; Fri, 30 Mar 2018 01:18:03 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: Peter Dyballa In-Reply-To: <20180329192146.GB63891@breton.holly.idiocy.org> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2018 01:18:02 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <54367A67-9AB4-472D-8397-5782C7389457@Web.DE> References: <35E8617B-3991-4A40-BA56-D5B79AC021A8@Web.DE> <20180329192146.GB63891@breton.holly.idiocy.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:tRnFyN2oRmV6JJ2zTg02AC5r3KUxbBv0NnZjQMhGm1yAZ26IQ/V aUkBygzy2fuDSkDhnd33pbcGxkkliz2bIuN2SLecDtFY4mnnRdy3pTw1FtVTl4X0+T1/pqZ AtGRrBlNJF8ECRzZO3sB53n0SA4LdMr2we6JOwhPulzp4th5eLS0bTxwJxGTeeSBeaIyi0E rBzCnMA6FhLmwRoBJ65Aw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:F1H1N8ma8M8=:NLCw8nU5M1JvOHeByw+WDz 9U+tBzr6/AzyBh30dEQbzhViquSBJOne4a3pRDgNlhWZBienAsh9hVRY6t+kxcrTaw836u3ib UzPkr2Omicz5ylVx1+64wcoUXbZu5W2FfZmQ/9hZtw9Iax18e+Sy3Tw/fRWXwb7ZUfALsC9ZY vB56FxBLhuxodLej7I+z7yQqINjyxkvYYiETpHrTsSTQ3hRwwrCXThkIA1pjolD1HS+Z8lgVg fBlp0rTpG9iHKx43eA8MmW1IsVNLWwEeH/7CejzO6VVpQc6JEDzTRbTxARGSFOmKvlYG3VWXu OIcSLrfVh7IRCHkvdSI8m/HPRprrKT4/zsc6s8YXm9M2xZGJUmhS/OPRuGhofZ25A0m0FG/Mj 3f3H2WZkVeuJLQTxlULbmvhhLcOzG6wL9pZnHrnrkaUTUNNo7D5kKNdRe/FHXyTOXco7nRa9K 7KtUmxcA9x6I6CXyPN+gKeKB/3K/X/KGb2MLp68ikB+biKPjNrLr0CjuyrQz/jLidC0u+chzc t21DzuRa7XQyTQm0dDU5GTZ9WK7L3x6ufaR+K9SWXuuw1v36nRszheRbcxBJJqI4k7iREwCdp SyDdvPew1u+wsW+QpDmopZOnrMXpy/19R6GJ/QmmxQkLb4f9QhfcxcZZB+AtUs3StAJn4Km9o Wl82SwhGcoIhyvvT41rCydLQQiiAbP0m5iMFjWuc4WWlzCgAk+LyNQB4ErV17QNykbpgW1569 cfYrTnQtG7thCVr/UjojkKiRx/gYvalHeW0MbzqRPMDPR9zBJg2LcBTB1N4+J4WrpLfLW/CDm rKmLuxQwC9rjcjiYiMNQ2fODXWghN2sAT7KTjY4b7MLaIkSRnQ= X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) > Am 29.3.2018 um 21:21 schrieb Alan Third : >=20 > Hi, I can=E2=80=99t test this as my lowly macbook pro only has one = graphics > card. >=20 > Can you get a backtrace from the crash? > =E2=80=94=20 Sorry, I cleaned up my disk in preparation of the coming High Sierra = upgrade and certainly deleted the core file. I have files from Apple's = Crash Reporter. And since I logged off from my second (professional) = account there is no RAM bottleneck and GNU Emacs won't crash when = switching between the graphics cards. BTW, the old --with-mac variant, version 25.3 with patches set 6.8, did = never crash although I am using mostly this Emacs. (The NS variant feels = somehow inferior.) =E2=80=94 Greetings Pete The box said "Use Windows 95 or better," so I got a Macintosh. From unknown Thu Aug 14 18:38:31 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#30992: Acknowledgement (27.0.50; Crash when graphics card switches) Resent-From: Peter Dyballa Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2018 10:08:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 30992 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo To: 30992@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 30992-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B30992.152309566423976 (code B ref 30992); Sat, 07 Apr 2018 10:08:01 +0000 Received: (at 30992) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Apr 2018 10:07:44 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40811 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f4kl6-0006Ed-Jq for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 07 Apr 2018 06:07:44 -0400 Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.15.14]:35619) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f4kl5-0006EQ-Hb for 30992@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 07 Apr 2018 06:07:43 -0400 Received: from sumac.fritz.box ([5.147.81.130]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb002 [213.165.67.108]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LfidG-1egyih0qvS-00pPop for <30992@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 07 Apr 2018 12:07:37 +0200 From: Peter Dyballa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.3 \(3445.6.18\)) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2018 12:07:36 +0200 References: <35E8617B-3991-4A40-BA56-D5B79AC021A8@Web.DE> In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <994128FC-FEAA-4BC8-8EAA-122BF977949F@Web.DE> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.6.18) X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:2wtZ5qW5n9ErPvp+0u7KAHqc/FsZzvNp9B9xtywuRDtniMuUsBC /z0oI12uD2X7AQ32IxdHJKBASnu73ojkGTokfUUYnq7cgOzFSKwfqgG1joQn/pmKHUGkUCz c92er9RFPgiTJo8KmWcnRjiG7ZnwP1y0jOv6XK5bakjQ7Aaz0Q4VhHXJkxGg18j2ACM8lkn jY5OUjfV4DvxupkfZMj3g== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:+wchvUiErXU=:IwoCknem4TnSlTFTpsOBlk nStx2BESnj9lbpDu+aX6EduZaDGvxDFgeyl8p9TO2+psZUy/5BVWOtTGzrrha6eUwLYp0Jyps NWlx5rPllAb+X2qPmWI1dF6IkUOfpG7Tf9RFtC5zUA5e4wcvOPh3tZ/3qqmabObuZNtSp24Sv ITxxeTQ63cIXzpYzQ+q/zlvWeKzxOpFe4yXue7182QcV+oxbNS4hiU16TrCtSlaAbto/V8O7t 2bckld9Immgj/+4xcOkMWo1YY7SsCETc7T9Gi+CL3JXfT+5wdKBI1VH1ut0l8lDN11QHRN0TU DxMKQ99vkvPJdGOmDwYlv/VVNZ6tQ7jwPHseAM8rcaO6wUC3lYOw7Q7inrtxf9uMZI6q/0ruj 108Ce1KCBzoCi03Ip0cR6V03IpP8HE+0I0HLEHSSvIkbGO96y/3bvT9bSEnd7UFo2Sy0VNEow /cxfySzSauHg1cq2Ixc0ebFuj9wqg3NRkRUr9ztozdL2WIBwiOhsFf85gLmrNfcUyt0SlVpV6 ArM+5oCa8Lpgu0FjqAWQQyZ04pw4V3ac0EOUd81uE/MzKHxOeWUJRD4zy7EaFyOAUODPJq8Y8 iCqIZu6m2lPzFBvaltvu4n74uYrAIdTO2sqtFWLWnWVHecaAIytECMXseArote5hLzBTPFTjw U2BSIbaFklfrYtARrgPO8i5ztoLmEwb0k9a9oV78kGhSheignh8gSOzipbCav4FbOp3H3TLQI XY/Jgd80jKKZlN4gjkjrjn1VGlYChe2j1D/wN7Mqy5JG0/XT3QaUJP7afLjwmW/YF69kMHIVw /e+BW/EwAhiLyT36ot/C5fpIY7MiEmeR224Uo5tiNYekdXu3cc= X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) On macOS High Sierra, Version 10.13.4, the newly with Xcode 9.3 rebuilt = NS variant seems to behave stable. (The previous version was built with = the then native tools of OS X El Capitan.) =E2=80=94 Greetings Pete Don't just do something, sit there. From unknown Thu Aug 14 18:38:31 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.505 (Entity 5.505) X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (GNU bug Tracking System) To: Peter Dyballa Subject: bug#30992: closed (Re: bug#30992: Acknowledgement (27.0.50; Crash when graphics card switches)) Message-ID: References: <20180407150244.GB1190@breton.holly.idiocy.org> <35E8617B-3991-4A40-BA56-D5B79AC021A8@Web.DE> X-Gnu-PR-Message: they-closed 30992 X-Gnu-PR-Package: emacs X-Gnu-PR-Keywords: moreinfo Reply-To: 30992@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2018 15:03:02 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1523113382-462-1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1523113382-462-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Your bug report #30992: 27.0.50; Crash when graphics card switches which was filed against the emacs package, has been closed. The explanation is attached below, along with your original report. 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[2001:8b0:3f8:8129:60c2:1a84:b7b0:dd5f]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id j21sm15740115wrb.49.2018.04.07.08.02.45 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 07 Apr 2018 08:02:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2018 16:02:44 +0100 From: Alan Third To: Peter Dyballa Subject: Re: bug#30992: Acknowledgement (27.0.50; Crash when graphics card switches) Message-ID: <20180407150244.GB1190@breton.holly.idiocy.org> References: <35E8617B-3991-4A40-BA56-D5B79AC021A8@Web.DE> <994128FC-FEAA-4BC8-8EAA-122BF977949F@Web.DE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <994128FC-FEAA-4BC8-8EAA-122BF977949F@Web.DE> User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.3 (2018-01-21) X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 30992-done Cc: 30992-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) On Sat, Apr 07, 2018 at 12:07:36PM +0200, Peter Dyballa wrote: > On macOS High Sierra, Version 10.13.4, the newly with Xcode 9.3 > rebuilt NS variant seems to behave stable. (The previous version was > built with the then native tools of OS X El Capitan.) Thanks for letting us know. I’ll close this bug report, but if the problem comes back feel free to either reopen it or create a new one. -- Alan Third ------------=_1523113382-462-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Mar 2018 18:29:24 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58999 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f1cIe-0000wM-0E for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 29 Mar 2018 14:29:24 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:34375) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f1cIb-0000vx-89 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 29 Mar 2018 14:29:21 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f1cIU-0007Tm-MQ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 29 Mar 2018 14:29:16 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:56268) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f1cIU-0007TM-JR for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 29 Mar 2018 14:29:14 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:53509) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f1cIS-00078s-RI for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Mar 2018 14:29:14 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f1cIO-0007Fd-MT for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Mar 2018 14:29:12 -0400 Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.15.3]:51129) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f1cIO-00079I-Ch for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Mar 2018 14:29:08 -0400 Received: from sumac.fritz.box ([5.147.81.130]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb004 [213.165.67.108]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MKNl8-1f14b93wPe-001gOS for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2018 20:29:05 +0200 From: Peter Dyballa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: 27.0.50; Crash when graphics card switches Message-Id: <35E8617B-3991-4A40-BA56-D5B79AC021A8@Web.DE> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2018 20:29:00 +0200 To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:zJlTaGzL+mKoazt4GGsHUPdtLPFcSbUkrrWSkj/KHfcRENi4fny pw5SEE5S/lMGbjF9xHM8h5i7y3+JBa5I6zLCfdINC4aFaywfHTdP6jCHCmNZdbxDFyWjNIR KvM5am71cf3B+XauJJ90pZbSw2xyVzxqOk2AK9QQn0Vchz2PPX2+CzhWdcRHKp0p1JQufnW 6SYql7db4J346gXe5/zEg== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:7YSvd987bWI=:Z6jTM6VkxFelPIs3WrPyFa 67DP+j1inQjdHeZakAzSTZ9+OU0pQ0XoWsvDXo51Ftgnl/8tfGkXg4igbkCN5h3zI2UDsIIZM 3JP2X6AbWcgCP9ghufeyW3EBbV3O30lYpQFlgpc6cZinkGX6Pnkwup+Z4rilzmnrGNx+7epQY ikLBkaRG/GK5jz1ay0YIx5izCoGyYYbLYtRCvzLyLEqACFJVsF/57zAzHcF7FCuulish7o3XL VbwX0MwFiAUGtwDKhppSDqaBG78+bE/D7fCRyymVIDAtDGDaw30UU/CxrCqNp2ZEXylZ/FI/x HCrJEz6vKczdpnf6pJ4xeK5Ysv5CbHMqSUgIgz4O+zRTW2oiwSKa7BFMgfryteDe+eX8gvN4Q LU2vF3o4PAMgHiHQf0NCEcYsZsFzAjEN5r/3Kqsn4HaFKf8WrAG9oW+SbWs3VKYN1U2ssO/AE SxjRFMFMDRwljNE2N+dmaMC0ECkwiP541UDkyudCuT76Ccw0JBqyXswlfcfBpXO1RuqpNep8x zw/mPaYIe7F1tQsHqXGLbLJ9HRKYG8xM8G3fGWmFL+PbcEnafPmc1v/DKbeXQe2QB18XEzgiv lCTXNe+2Ymi9UQUBMabfHSCKvUmvVrHpSFJWSt2CLk+pHHvHrrTUL+KqNBFgzoAWLUxxeA9Sd M6ssaiwsLj+VFdQMUSRDCuxg6A2bj0MU1UV5n2GV92CtA/lZ+l7PEGGNiSgA7v4y9djS6qbXA KOIGbImdin4dK9YJdx9fjRpMATUI4Aw8u2nG9hfAcfq8Z5la05NnWtxujXELKrymUxxyAqoDW QIFJKqOo7PwziJsdA3RO0WXyT8kKW1edjnZ9Tvnu/ucopLeOZo= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.1 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.1 (----) Hello! There were reports about failing graphics cards in one or more series' = of MacBooks Pro. Mine, 17" early 2011 with Core i7 (2720QM, "Sandy = Bridge") and upgraded to 16 GB of RAM, has AMD Radeon HD 6750M and Intel = HD 3000. The main board had to be changed in 2013, I think. Apple later = took over the cost. Around last Christmas the graphics defect appeared = again, triggered possibly by an OS upgrade from Mac OS X 10.6.8 (Snow = Leopard) to OS X 10.11.6, El Capitan. My Mac was repaired by soldering = one graphics IC (did not care which). The repair was not perfect, still = "glitches" happen, particularly when RAM is overcrowded (disk has some = ten GB free space for VM) because at least the built-in intel HD = Graphics uses normal RAM. An application, gfxCardStatus 2.3, allows to = monitor switching and also to set this or that active. I use this = function to clean the screen when artefacts are left from "voluntary" = switches (Google Earth or Java Console activate always the Radeon), one = Java application seems to produce these artefacts often. When clearing the screen by setting this and than that and than again = this graphics active (or such) the NS variant of GNU Emacs 27.0.50 = crashes very often while the X clients, GNU Emacs 26.0.90, simply = continue to work. The former was built and installed by MacPorts, the = latter is manually compiled. BTW, I intend to upgrade to OS X 10.13, High Sierra, over Easter. In GNU Emacs 27.0.50 (build 1, x86_64-apple-darwin15.6.0, NS = appkit-1404.47 Version 10.11.6 (Build 15G18013)) of 2017-12-29 built on Sumac.fritz.box Repository revision: 0bddbbc5aae621d5875880ac3e63f68d481df7c3 Windowing system distributor 'Apple', version 10.3.1404 Recent messages: Mark set [7 times] Mark activated Mark set [2 times] Undo! Mark set Auto-saving...done Saving file /Users/pete/b=C3=B6se eMail-Adressen... Wrote /Users/pete/b=C3=B6se eMail-Adressen Reverting buffer =E2=80=98pete=E2=80=99. Reverting buffer =E2=80=98virtu=E2=80=99. [3 times] Configured using: 'configure --prefix=3D/opt/local --without-ns --without-dbus --without-gconf --with-libotf --without-m17n-flt --without-gpm --without-gnutls --with-xml2 --with-modules --infodir /opt/local/share/info/emacs --with-ns --with-imagemagick CC=3D/usr/bin/clang 'CFLAGS=3D-pipe -Os -arch x86_64' 'LDFLAGS=3D-L/opt/local/lib -Wl,-headerpad_max_install_names = -Wl,-no_pie -arch x86_64' CPPFLAGS=3D-I/opt/local/include OBJC=3D/usr/bin/clang 'OBJCFLAGS=3D-pipe -Os -arch x86_64'' Configured features: JPEG RSVG IMAGEMAGICK NOTIFY ACL LIBXML2 ZLIB TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS NS MODULES LCMS2 Important settings: value of $LANG: de_DE.UTF-8 locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix Major mode: Calendar Minor modes in effect: diff-auto-refine-mode: t TeX-PDF-mode: t shell-dirtrack-mode: t delete-selection-mode: t show-paren-mode: t midnight-mode: t display-time-mode: t desktop-save-mode: t mac-print-mode: t tooltip-mode: t global-eldoc-mode: t electric-indent-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t buffer-read-only: t column-number-mode: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t Load-path shadows: /Library/Application Support/Emacs/tex-site hides = /opt/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/tex-site /Library/Application Support/Emacs/punycode hides = /opt/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/punycode /Library/Application Support/Emacs/preview-latex hides = /opt/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/preview-latex /Library/Application Support/Emacs/idna hides = /opt/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/idna /Library/Application Support/Emacs/cmake-mode hides = /opt/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/cmake-mode /Library/Application Support/Emacs/autotest-mode hides = /opt/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/autotest-mode /Library/Application Support/Emacs/autoconf-mode hides = /opt/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/autoconf-mode /Library/Application Support/Emacs/auctex hides = /opt/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/auctex /Library/Application Support/Emacs/site-start hides = /Applications/MacPorts/Emacs.app/Contents/Resources/site-lisp/site-start Features: (shadow sort mail-extr emacsbug message subr-x puny seq format-spec rfc822 mml mml-sec password-cache epa epg epg-config gnus-util rmail rmail-loaddefs mm-decode mm-bodies mm-encode mail-parse rfc2231 mailabbrev gmm-utils mailheader sendmail rfc2047 rfc2045 ietf-drums mm-util mail-prsvr mail-utils cl-extra help-mode latexenc diff-mode reftex-auc preview prv-emacs tex-buf reftex-dcr reftex reftex-loaddefs reftex-vars tex-fold noutline outline font-latex byte-opt bytecomp byte-compile cconv latex tex-ispell tex-style tex crm tex-mode elec-pair sh-script smie executable dired-aux autorevert filenotify dired-x dired dired-loaddefs lunar view diary-lib diary-loaddefs solar cal-dst holidays hol-loaddefs cal-move cal-menu calendar cal-loaddefs shell pcomplete asy-mode two-mode-mode wid-edit compile comint ansi-color ring cc-mode cc-fonts easymenu cc-guess cc-menus cc-cmds cc-styles cc-align cc-engine cc-vars cc-defs derived delsel preview-latex tex-site auto-loads time-stamp paren midnight time cus-start cus-load desktop frameset session edmacro kmacro mac-print-mode easy-mmode advice htmlize cl-seq cl-macs cl gv cl-loaddefs cl-lib time-date tooltip eldoc electric uniquify ediff-hook vc-hooks lisp-float-type mwheel term/ns-win ns-win ucs-normalize mule-util term/common-win tool-bar dnd fontset image regexp-opt fringe tabulated-list replace newcomment text-mode elisp-mode lisp-mode prog-mode register page menu-bar rfn-eshadow isearch timer select scroll-bar mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax facemenu font-core term/tty-colors frame cl-generic cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese eucjp-ms cp51932 hebrew greek romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese composite charscript charprop case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help simple abbrev obarray minibuffer cl-preloaded nadvice loaddefs button faces cus-face macroexp files text-properties overlay sha1 md5 base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget hashtable-print-readable backquote kqueue cocoa ns lcms2 multi-tty make-network-process emacs) Memory information: ((conses 16 633297 30591) (symbols 48 34021 6) (miscs 40 508 3278) (strings 32 84521 4108) (string-bytes 1 2366308) (vectors 16 53482) (vector-slots 8 1624656 182164) (floats 8 640 608) (intervals 56 32955 0) (buffers 992 112)) =E2=80=94 Greetings Pete To most people solutions mean finding the answers. But to chemists = solutions are things that are still all mixed up. ------------=_1523113382-462-1-- From unknown Thu Aug 14 18:38:31 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#30992: Acknowledgement (27.0.50; Crash when graphics card switches) Resent-From: Richard Stallman Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2018 04:35:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 30992 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo To: Peter Dyballa Cc: 30992@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Received: via spool by 30992-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B30992.152316204815472 (code B ref 30992); Sun, 08 Apr 2018 04:35:01 +0000 Received: (at 30992) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Apr 2018 04:34:08 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41735 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f521n-00041T-LG for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Apr 2018 00:34:07 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:46176) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f521m-00040y-4y for 30992@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Apr 2018 00:34:06 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f521f-0002zF-Qx for 30992@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Apr 2018 00:34:00 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:56913) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f521d-0002y7-1v; Sun, 08 Apr 2018 00:33:57 -0400 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1f521c-0003lD-GC; Sun, 08 Apr 2018 00:33:56 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman In-reply-to: <994128FC-FEAA-4BC8-8EAA-122BF977949F@Web.DE> (message from Peter Dyballa on Sat, 7 Apr 2018 12:07:36 +0200) References: <35E8617B-3991-4A40-BA56-D5B79AC021A8@Web.DE> <994128FC-FEAA-4BC8-8EAA-122BF977949F@Web.DE> Message-Id: Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2018 00:33:56 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > On macOS High Sierra, Version 10.13.4, the newly with Xcode 9.3 > rebuilt NS variant seems to behave stable. 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[2001:8b0:3f8:8129:a6:a185:9884:75c1]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 62sm847846wrg.34.2018.04.08.03.14.21 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 08 Apr 2018 03:14:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2018 11:14:19 +0100 From: Alan Third Message-ID: <20180408101419.GA11255@breton.holly.idiocy.org> References: <35E8617B-3991-4A40-BA56-D5B79AC021A8@Web.DE> <994128FC-FEAA-4BC8-8EAA-122BF977949F@Web.DE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.3 (2018-01-21) X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) On Sun, Apr 08, 2018 at 12:33:56AM -0400, Richard Stallman wrote: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > > On macOS High Sierra, Version 10.13.4, the newly with Xcode 9.3 > > rebuilt NS variant seems to behave stable. > > How does Xcode relate to building Emacs? On macOS it provides the compiler and tools, i.e. clang, make, etc. It’s possible to install them without Xcode, but most people just use Xcode. -- Alan Third From unknown Thu Aug 14 18:38:31 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#30992: Acknowledgement (27.0.50; Crash when graphics card switches) Resent-From: Peter Dyballa Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2018 12:12:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 30992 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo To: rms@gnu.org Cc: 30992@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 30992-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B30992.152318951932541 (code B ref 30992); Sun, 08 Apr 2018 12:12:02 +0000 Received: (at 30992) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Apr 2018 12:11:59 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41975 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f59As-0008Sn-Qn for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Apr 2018 08:11:58 -0400 Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.15.3]:47419) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f59Aq-0008SY-F9 for 30992@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Apr 2018 08:11:56 -0400 Received: from sumac.fritz.box ([5.147.81.130]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb001 [213.165.67.108]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MAdb9-1fBVlt0ZJ5-00BsDj; Sun, 08 Apr 2018 14:11:50 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.3 \(3445.6.18\)) From: Peter Dyballa In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2018 14:11:47 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <6344F9BD-5FFF-405E-9A5D-5ECF7C5C7652@Web.DE> References: <35E8617B-3991-4A40-BA56-D5B79AC021A8@Web.DE> <994128FC-FEAA-4BC8-8EAA-122BF977949F@Web.DE> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.6.18) X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:QqLHFLI6HJxFKa9lzKgOyCKDqR42C4IHgJACYstP+GetyLP4INo 8THKBZCnStPpcC42a9QwUPFxB+vyhKIye9MUeoM1Go6VGRApyU6HHjua9uEY8GgpcNWxToj laD9BWHr+DfyfcfZ1/pHQV3b9Ug+yrHqsrJXVs7b+DTWMOIkXh4QqmA0G+hyIHgeR6txx13 IMl22u2Qa7nPRMRQNERfA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:bO8Xg5XEtzc=:7XcSo0Re87Yh4ATidIf7xX 1DwaKol9euG/VfFzrTYpXntXILIg5FH34j6vhnr1kUoRhzP0tLhT9c1aYSPfQrIXbz8vqBDCL Td5v9oQETpI7q8wCrdKF/pbdvCExkWh2KyfBsn9SbV6o+8rD4hLZCVRxvA3rwftOErcNz2dIR V+Ps6ecSMbE0arMFN2X7rEt4B/+u712JU1J3bs70d0Bt0bJtQpn2+5gOj9xoDo7Zn6iSicbF6 Lfo7IOGJLRUR/gAi7D2oYOnMbycN5/9AA5saY5v9UOkdRJQHThu1BHZhpLM5hU2hYX7bR8rOl y8xHYL2fWx68o0yXT2l4gVsHyMpnNC+cQAQ9rFX80+qyOfQBvi4i1KSEwJvE514QlLg/upcxd Ext54ZwGuWCJDrZCGcxfPXa9HRqo/rVbZbo9OVfnw5+IoWFA2Ar1MinuKdDHLsZnupULQmLU4 G0KNRWF7Z/W4eni2eA7CGXFJ0iYiXOJY8pzGmeP3Ie0GM9KWp6TLYXYrawlHaS62yMVcDETVo ZiryCI5hRLfR+lxhtX46RForwxqOXih8H1XOk1FA8YdZ9GYN4h6504HsAS8UdKJvpOVuR2GwK jtG32ezcmzwCwsNPa/YKWSM6wm1NJKvFj4Qf9XNjujkeuTbAs2TNdfpE7/xQuIqcAQmLmqg1B LmpHFq5+sMVB2D2gd+0x66McKOIWDKjZODullB3BopgHAJ2/9HV30RrbuYDETA3Jlhwj8uvpR Lvrxplxk7Q2YQ1m+BRKRDZJop7p1OyLKwkCpRzllpy9G6EEbqYdi2GjDbLw5IUMgO/gV5t5PO wNcgo0nqKY3IQhcFaBMglPQUPdhSPnMI5zaPuFzYGxrXwehM+Y= X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > Am 8.4.2018 um 06:33 schrieb Richard Stallman : >=20 > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] >=20 >> On macOS High Sierra, Version 10.13.4, the newly with Xcode 9.3 >> rebuilt NS variant seems to behave stable. >=20 > How does Xcode relate to building Emacs? The C and C++ compilers come with Xcode. The build process starts with = running autogen. Configure then finds: configure:5054: /usr/bin/clang --version >&5 Apple LLVM version 9.1.0 (clang-902.0.39.1) Target: x86_64-apple-darwin17.5.0 Thread model: posix InstalledDir: = /Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/Toolchains/XcodeDefault.xctoolc= hain/usr/bin And this compiler comes from Apple's Xcode package. -- Greetings Pete I consider religion godesque. From unknown Thu Aug 14 18:38:31 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#30992: Acknowledgement (27.0.50; Crash when graphics card switches) Resent-From: Richard Stallman Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2018 04:29:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 30992 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo To: Peter Dyballa Cc: 30992@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Received: via spool by 30992-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B30992.152324811418660 (code B ref 30992); Mon, 09 Apr 2018 04:29:02 +0000 Received: (at 30992) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Apr 2018 04:28:34 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43029 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f5OPx-0004qs-Tn for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 09 Apr 2018 00:28:34 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:52146) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f5OPv-0004qf-JJ for 30992@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 09 Apr 2018 00:28:31 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f5OPp-0001Kf-KA for 30992@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 09 Apr 2018 00:28:26 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:46497) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f5OPm-0001Fj-Eg; Mon, 09 Apr 2018 00:28:22 -0400 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1f5OPl-0005Ac-OY; Mon, 09 Apr 2018 00:28:21 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman In-reply-to: <6344F9BD-5FFF-405E-9A5D-5ECF7C5C7652@Web.DE> (message from Peter Dyballa on Sun, 8 Apr 2018 14:11:47 +0200) References: <35E8617B-3991-4A40-BA56-D5B79AC021A8@Web.DE> <994128FC-FEAA-4BC8-8EAA-122BF977949F@Web.DE> <6344F9BD-5FFF-405E-9A5D-5ECF7C5C7652@Web.DE> Message-Id: Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2018 00:28:21 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > How does Xcode relate to building Emacs? > The C and C++ compilers come with Xcode. Someone told me that there are very tight restrictions on use of Xcode. Is that true of this version of Xcode? -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (https://gnu.org, https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See https://stallman.org/skype.html. From unknown Thu Aug 14 18:38:31 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#30992: Acknowledgement (27.0.50; Crash when graphics card switches) Resent-From: Peter Dyballa Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2018 07:42:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 30992 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo To: Richard Stallman Cc: 30992@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 30992-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B30992.15232596833659 (code B ref 30992); Mon, 09 Apr 2018 07:42:01 +0000 Received: (at 30992) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Apr 2018 07:41:23 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43097 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f5RQX-0000wv-NX for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 09 Apr 2018 03:41:21 -0400 Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.15.14]:58941) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f5RQW-0000wi-GM for 30992@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 09 Apr 2018 03:41:20 -0400 Received: from sumac.fritz.box ([5.147.81.130]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb001 [213.165.67.108]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LhvUI-1ej3Au0CEU-00n98K; Mon, 09 Apr 2018 09:41:14 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.3 \(3445.6.18\)) From: Peter Dyballa In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2018 09:41:12 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <694F91A1-0C7C-4591-8564-BC61210CC541@Web.DE> References: <35E8617B-3991-4A40-BA56-D5B79AC021A8@Web.DE> <994128FC-FEAA-4BC8-8EAA-122BF977949F@Web.DE> <6344F9BD-5FFF-405E-9A5D-5ECF7C5C7652@Web.DE> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.6.18) X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:JHQ47LK0FtBj/IyV8IuO3aHuYOiMTTiI74eysYBiolj8huse0Xa Jfb0bOayffO9Cmz9iFnxyAFnDZcq5PRfgMILGM7FBXKU/MlUsTD8sq60TWiKhlwUKidk6Bx frqeXZl+3Fu2ioc/l3XxYC+kkbzNvfy8M32ODIljOWeYQU5YSnu4JB3wE5UjWEzK9C5M5TH bMSXz5TZZH2D8XaWIe8Ow== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:+Ji24qzLUEc=:mlZNFtbvsl3razKXLcT49J o7UFEHdWvNq5WKtd9owFBaWX/8ZAnKUM8SP+ChKFNMAEgHeaCEX9tIEAcM3gKRu3qIAolxM6m X0fpX/uUhq2wnB6/ah0MT4cZg5owTJDqmWKOMPCLuOS6vlXy2jDCnmk/lyB+Nk73Kvb78Alnu 1mzKWIEcsl5e+Sc3p5USwx0kN8ehZ0366QoPjp6La2e4x/OsPQlGLnWuFCJSRLhsypYjgSt+3 /lHUrJrHe9JLiWec8ROS9LVtg2ZHUaYVmtP+VFaGh7oWSlR3TCvFpZ0WhW5ufMhsBuZU5sbmS 60veLwjDLnls9oFOampMg4YBT15yw9L2gJ2X75J1DDFtOaryl6ZGTHpXcy9BC5x1e2tS7wo4j VbEUH9wA5Gk2WKGF43YmlCEnkmwSSciZC75h/tAd+/q112dZYA6Qs2BgdcdJ3oY/YdDZZ7hOc MDuPaQXPT4tsuIGNzVDJPGFvNJw2hbYvsiR/M2FkUNjodpaiWKrcP3BAtSCdjwI8RNVrz2Gav KnGqkyeoKFUx3RCrXqjKlj3xrFRpRc2a1xloDk19pOHpckdnfn3a3eaukvgZDBBRGeZaY8tjV 9K+m3iMm5ojZlqnbud0ARfeTiFkNXg6dpu7TCqSrNRiZ9ZAfmXbPdu1NuuhMgiyDi/dqAsp67 yFH/WJaIj5DIKbId/BYbX7SnxZePSF/DArvKlMqz5jFG5RwNA4ttgXuaKncdBoKqe52zFM9Bw QZF65+szSKnD8oqsYH2AATsEc29c9MlT1Yb8ZymwyDqGgboBV8s8zT6QCXrrEZhCETcXCUAUs mRWH5RPIsk6PdCQahXSUu1+VDtuXDFozXeOrZ/Sc7MgywoIHpI= X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > Am 9.4.2018 um 06:28 schrieb Richard Stallman : >=20 >>> How does Xcode relate to building Emacs? >=20 >> The C and C++ compilers come with Xcode. >=20 > Someone told me that there are very tight restrictions on use of = Xcode. > Is that true of this version of Xcode? I don't know. Fifteen or such years ago I could register myself as = developer for free which allowed me to download and install Xcode. Since = then I continue to fetch the newest version. One change was that the = Apple Store application is now providing Xcode, so you need another = account. This Apple Store is mostly useless when you do not give it any = credit card information =E2=80=93 and I do not have one! And the Apple = Store does not seem to sort the Xcode versions and show only the = relevant one so that you can make mistakes and download a few unusable = GB of a wrong version. One final step after installation is the = activation of the command line tools and to accept some rules from = Apple. I have no knowledge of more restrictions=E2=80=A6 =E2=80=94 Greetings Pete If my theory of relativity is proven successful, Germany will claim me = as a German, and France will declare that I am a citizen of the world. = Should my theory prove untrue, France will say that I am a German, and = Germany will declare that I am a Jew. =E2=80=93 Albert Einstein, 1929 From unknown Thu Aug 14 18:38:31 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#30992: Acknowledgement (27.0.50; Crash when graphics card switches) Resent-From: Richard Stallman Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2018 02:36:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 30992 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo To: Peter Dyballa Cc: 30992@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Received: via spool by 30992-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B30992.152332776131596 (code B ref 30992); Tue, 10 Apr 2018 02:36:01 +0000 Received: (at 30992) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Apr 2018 02:36:01 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44417 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f5j8a-0008DX-VL for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 09 Apr 2018 22:36:01 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:35111) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f5j8Z-0008DL-I7 for 30992@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 09 Apr 2018 22:35:59 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f5j8S-0006JE-Tl for 30992@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 09 Apr 2018 22:35:53 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:39897) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f5j8Q-0006DR-2I; Mon, 09 Apr 2018 22:35:50 -0400 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1f5j8P-00081I-Hs; Mon, 09 Apr 2018 22:35:49 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman In-reply-to: <694F91A1-0C7C-4591-8564-BC61210CC541@Web.DE> (message from Peter Dyballa on Mon, 9 Apr 2018 09:41:12 +0200) References: <35E8617B-3991-4A40-BA56-D5B79AC021A8@Web.DE> <994128FC-FEAA-4BC8-8EAA-122BF977949F@Web.DE> <6344F9BD-5FFF-405E-9A5D-5ECF7C5C7652@Web.DE> <694F91A1-0C7C-4591-8564-BC61210CC541@Web.DE> Message-Id: Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2018 22:35:49 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] Since Apple is so nasty about its C compiler, let's urge MacOS users to build Emacs with a free C compiler instead -- on principle. 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[2001:8b0:3f8:8129:d913:31fc:f49:6afb]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id r8sm4138286wmg.44.2018.04.10.13.00.32 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 10 Apr 2018 13:00:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2018 21:00:31 +0100 From: Alan Third Message-ID: <20180410200031.GB15361@breton.holly.idiocy.org> References: <35E8617B-3991-4A40-BA56-D5B79AC021A8@Web.DE> <994128FC-FEAA-4BC8-8EAA-122BF977949F@Web.DE> <6344F9BD-5FFF-405E-9A5D-5ECF7C5C7652@Web.DE> <694F91A1-0C7C-4591-8564-BC61210CC541@Web.DE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.3 (2018-01-21) X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) On Mon, Apr 09, 2018 at 10:35:49PM -0400, Richard Stallman wrote: > Since Apple is so nasty about its C compiler, let's urge MacOS users > to build Emacs with a free C compiler instead -- on principle. FWIW, you don’t need to install XCode or even use the Apple App store to install the XCode command line tools these days. It’s a simple command line instruction. > Emacs still builds on MacOS with GCC, right? I don’t think Cocoa works with GCC, but building against GNUstep, or using something other than --with-ns will be fine. -- Alan Third From unknown Thu Aug 14 18:38:31 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#30992: Acknowledgement (27.0.50; Crash when graphics card switches) Resent-From: Peter Dyballa Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2018 20:24:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 30992 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo To: Richard Stallman Cc: 30992@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 30992-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B30992.15233918167432 (code B ref 30992); Tue, 10 Apr 2018 20:24:01 +0000 Received: (at 30992) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Apr 2018 20:23:36 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45446 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f5znj-0001vo-SF for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 10 Apr 2018 16:23:36 -0400 Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.15.3]:60275) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f5zni-0001vb-0A for 30992@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 10 Apr 2018 16:23:35 -0400 Received: from sumac.fritz.box ([5.147.81.130]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb002 [213.165.67.108]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0M4qon-1eGCSA38Fp-00ywNw; Tue, 10 Apr 2018 22:23:27 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.3 \(3445.6.18\)) From: Peter Dyballa In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2018 22:23:25 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <35E8617B-3991-4A40-BA56-D5B79AC021A8@Web.DE> <994128FC-FEAA-4BC8-8EAA-122BF977949F@Web.DE> <6344F9BD-5FFF-405E-9A5D-5ECF7C5C7652@Web.DE> <694F91A1-0C7C-4591-8564-BC61210CC541@Web.DE> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.6.18) X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:MxXloKyLgHDNXxsQC3hNtmJNfONgRofnQHsVAsn568XYXvQ9Jy3 J0ZiJqlIU5ZE9tTLAXvyi6EnOmnNVWoPD70r8DrDv+vNmfvf6sWktw9RvujKcqvn9xKgNx6 TNkHWX8ouCtVNtYxnwDvTADvzfqJJHFz0pSQmGBfJSsWcSl2mTzdxl2nDAauBRv2IYEANaG Sm8nLeIv6SBi/DYzelmjQ== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:poAbQwPQNGk=:gQK5ix/MsE0rEEYvVtXkiS NmdjKBgtcahkY+CEX1uXTCrkXVuru3R164D99/2/c6sZJg7gwC7PYI4ZW65pam40MlfNs05FY POV1O5/S5/220MvM7Bm6h5zVLKVDivWZ8mYcS3aEypEBp0Dvo/1LnUk3D8n6IVa4GO/8edogZ 4IjpGP7evm8ozVDClaIXSjkQJjphKaQE3U3ZyQY3R1LKHoxAVV3SjKAoHePmmdg49mxOuELH1 dRgM6Z5XTuIJV/I/u+Hn0h2CelELl9fx/6a/KE3Bftbf6QEXsLqB/VxupzwZckWcQi+53g1gW JCBz2eqeHCtPSuWB2q3NCCMoMEGA7W52OdsG0zhvPDKche7kYRlg/Ynd0sIAoQRL5QkRsLW1A Ruz4IbBfBfFcNU1bRMYogQRmq5hwTQ2QNyjos/7QVxfNpE12E1kVImllOJfkAxgRgDVuokOMp xva9gP90fobJIzGkdZOeKB2QP9ke2719yj05sQ5z1+61pTlkd1B6rXizy1ZxsiVR8QLg4dRCs k0cJ6kqBOtkHoJeJQuMvd5fYur8x+CkcmDqqzKR0hEhPSswkVFCFwJkeJARzJfyB6pj/VNs1i +nrV97buf6U9z1YLnfwTa1so/lIsdDw34tUq49/64yYBZpkXvm7+eUXyRwMbzk0t8QHjHlXj+ tSohTUckVtRc7im3FFx7K8eBB0w5eRW2yRQV22wqoR4atW0Rz+Wi6KSRTb0k25A0D1vvsTSI0 VUWZLnZE1E+DnGCYReiD0EUnAs4nK0P3wfpnVeOpQu3R+IqbUHgWGzZ1sPL/BRGp9W73pHaIS FIuq+3+1cEbUDzm+puh5LJxFBBY8aj7tN4Elt8Zq1iWjAiZZks= X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > Am 10.4.2018 um 04:35 schrieb Richard Stallman : >=20 > Since Apple is so nasty about its C compiler, let's urge MacOS users > to build Emacs with a free C compiler instead -- on principle. Clang uses internally some GCC components. Its source code is freely = available under the NCSA license (http://clang.llvm.org/, = http://llvm.org/). And it's also the native compiler on Macs now. = Without Xcode you cannot bootstrap GCC. Xcode is also needed for porting = GNU Emacs to iPad or iPhone=E2=80=A6 (I presume) And you don't have to pay for it =E2=80=93 since decades. (Support will = cost.) >=20 > Emacs still builds on MacOS with GCC, right? Here is a first try to configure the NS variant of GNU Emacs 26.1-rc1 = with GCC 7.3: checking for X... libraries /opt/local/lib, headers = /opt/local/include checking AppKit/AppKit.h usability... no checking AppKit/AppKit.h presence... yes configure: WARNING: AppKit/AppKit.h: present but cannot be = compiled configure: WARNING: AppKit/AppKit.h: check for missing = prerequisite headers? configure: WARNING: AppKit/AppKit.h: see the Autoconf = documentation configure: WARNING: AppKit/AppKit.h: section "Present But = Cannot Be Compiled" configure: WARNING: AppKit/AppKit.h: proceeding with the = compiler's result configure: WARNING: ## ------------------------------------ = ## configure: WARNING: ## Report this to bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org = ## configure: WARNING: ## ------------------------------------ = ## checking for AppKit/AppKit.h... no configure: error: The include files (AppKit/AppKit.h etc) that are required for a Nextstep build are missing or cannot be = compiled. Either fix this, or re-configure with the option '--without-ns'. The same happens with GCC 5.5. With Clang 5.0 (not from Xcode) = configuration does not abort here but comes to an end. The NS variant = then builds and also runs as it does with Xcode's Clang 9.1. Building the X client works with most if not all C compilers. -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 21577940 2018-04-10 21:09 = /usr/local/bin/emacs-26.1 (NS) with Clang 5 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 21639508 2018-04-10 21:39 = /usr/local/bin/emacs-26.1 (NS) with Clang 9 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 17198576 2018-04-10 21:53 = /usr/local/bin/emacs-26.1 (Xaw3d) with GCC 7 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 17126304 2018-04-10 22:08 = /usr/local/bin/emacs-26.1 (Xaw3d) with Clang 9 All run OK. For the moment. (Xcode comes without gcc. It has symbolic-links cc and c++ both pointing = to clang. And clang++ points to clang.) =E2=80=94 Greetings Pete It is so hot in some places that the people there have to live in other = places. From unknown Thu Aug 14 18:38:31 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#30992: Acknowledgement (27.0.50; Crash when graphics card switches) Resent-From: Richard Stallman Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2018 03:10:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 30992 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo To: Alan Third Cc: 30992@debbugs.gnu.org, Peter_Dyballa@Web.DE Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Received: via spool by 30992-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B30992.152350257031175 (code B ref 30992); Thu, 12 Apr 2018 03:10:01 +0000 Received: (at 30992) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Apr 2018 03:09:30 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46914 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f6Sc5-00086l-NV for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 11 Apr 2018 23:09:29 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:48142) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f6Sc3-00086V-Pw for 30992@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 11 Apr 2018 23:09:28 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f6Sbx-0003iQ-LC for 30992@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 11 Apr 2018 23:09:22 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:56385) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f6Sbf-0003Xa-0F; Wed, 11 Apr 2018 23:09:03 -0400 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1f6Sbd-0003pe-Rp; Wed, 11 Apr 2018 23:09:02 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman In-reply-to: <20180410200031.GB15361@breton.holly.idiocy.org> (message from Alan Third on Tue, 10 Apr 2018 21:00:31 +0100) References: <35E8617B-3991-4A40-BA56-D5B79AC021A8@Web.DE> <994128FC-FEAA-4BC8-8EAA-122BF977949F@Web.DE> <6344F9BD-5FFF-405E-9A5D-5ECF7C5C7652@Web.DE> <694F91A1-0C7C-4591-8564-BC61210CC541@Web.DE> <20180410200031.GB15361@breton.holly.idiocy.org> Message-Id: Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2018 23:09:01 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > I don’t think Cocoa works with GCC, Could you explain what that means? What is "Cocoa" and what does it mean for it to work, or not work, with GCC? -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (https://gnu.org, https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See https://stallman.org/skype.html. From unknown Thu Aug 14 18:38:31 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#30992: Acknowledgement (27.0.50; Crash when graphics card switches) Resent-From: Peter Dyballa Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2018 07:53:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 30992 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo To: Richard Stallman Cc: 30992@debbugs.gnu.org, Alan Third Received: via spool by 30992-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B30992.15235195657322 (code B ref 30992); Thu, 12 Apr 2018 07:53:01 +0000 Received: (at 30992) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Apr 2018 07:52:45 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47027 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f6X2D-0001u2-B7 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 03:52:45 -0400 Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.15.3]:49255) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f6X2B-0001th-Cp for 30992@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 03:52:43 -0400 Received: from sumac.fritz.box ([5.147.81.130]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb003 [213.165.67.108]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LoYWI-1eZ7DP1YL4-00gUoc; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 09:52:25 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.3 \(3445.6.18\)) From: Peter Dyballa In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2018 09:52:17 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <66E2370F-CEE9-4698-BDAA-B8BE0B221F08@Web.DE> References: <35E8617B-3991-4A40-BA56-D5B79AC021A8@Web.DE> <994128FC-FEAA-4BC8-8EAA-122BF977949F@Web.DE> <6344F9BD-5FFF-405E-9A5D-5ECF7C5C7652@Web.DE> <694F91A1-0C7C-4591-8564-BC61210CC541@Web.DE> <20180410200031.GB15361@breton.holly.idiocy.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.6.18) X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:JmWajlbixQah8i0T1jQidwh8d2DCZc3Qq79Giowof8JqP7Vhk3R NJPP2MkflIYReg2jBgyFrjOCx2/TeE9UCnvez7JDJNgjDUw90PdPoc9eA+vWSKoEv+J2xyC 1o33UIFCrHu1JUyMw7Itsb3sBXE0qbv832a9e+WulV5ccy4e1lMWtzxdBlIsZJC90IRPI+s 5cG88bzQipMyFE9E7G2ZA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:JJGQcLLl1qw=:o4L3i3B+zgAxat+HWa5eyl A/AjPDQIIjcmxowbaBCFWYcxBC9vUAKH2U+K9VrCScTgAQ+ye0khiAtPTyzK5n5zFGTfxFpbM kuyB51mKsxuVS2XfdcD8R93xv95nCEq4GmXHvn5D84SDU6TBId/3svVEDBkux1MXiK8Eup91+ Q5l8jVAy4HNQG9Oa7OSB95wFwCz+il4yKiaD9stLy4Ks2TqjgjSerwbdLtIdjoVCvqpmSmjC+ YNKJyocdvhVjwOanJnx6d/b45fMlQIa7sPtPLThiJsjbsLQLP0TVCqeIf6S3P2ecXyOeqlk3x 3UZyxYgcR3i+EVTulybPdMGHAT9A2ensuGGQAPyOWONBnXx6HAhraODXPvFRwUEarnE/Wxpbm pf5nJP6AUr1eFbeVm9OpD0K9X5g//GnfqMyr13OvL3rhLbingzsTlTvQA45feqqOOCsWHhzOI JX7fVcNUBFiwyaIdOn/7Oub7xi/ESkd2DweSNSxP//c17YNrk4g4QlZBgeSB6DhrsqHxKzfK3 HB5N2+fzTnQtmRXfxctTgobSnieVHun0iXwYpJvz0+8+PezpJbtr/2tvX7MaV0151cFf+umjZ GEu+u+QrwBUwk/QnDrpUKUSCGAWZL99jRF4rfeyjKKsGTZRuGd4wtmYyFh4RDVXS66EjYSkbD cjCjd7dgDtj7oGlezUOfGhm/9jvXW3NV0J2O/fjweQ7Jt8Bbr04e0giPaJoRyfjiBBsZOKz0X P3Jv/pOFg4GMiP+8jYBhhG1TWOKodXSivsU2xqmKSVtOB4a6GFYyr+L7YcQlEDDhhdI6UEeNl lylyHd6CE56/HmJdtekKqn5GpvqmjRZPi5Xyuzks/plTyU9BOk= X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Am 12.4.2018 um 05:09 schrieb Richard Stallman : >=20 > Could you explain what that means? What is "Cocoa" > and what does it mean for it to work, or not work, with GCC? It's in Objective-C/C++ (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Objective-C) API = from Apple, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cocoa_(API), kind of successor = of NeXTSTEP. The NS variant of GNU Emacs has to use it to show up on = screen. =E2=80=94 Greetings Pete One-Shot Case Study, n.: The scientific equivalent of the four-leaf clover, from which it = is concluded all clovers possess four leaves and are sometimes green. 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[2001:8b0:3f8:8129:b067:446f:7f80:450f]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id c14sm3022611wmi.28.2018.04.13.11.14.18 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 13 Apr 2018 11:14:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2018 19:14:16 +0100 From: Alan Third Message-ID: <20180413181416.GA39102@breton.holly.idiocy.org> References: <35E8617B-3991-4A40-BA56-D5B79AC021A8@Web.DE> <994128FC-FEAA-4BC8-8EAA-122BF977949F@Web.DE> <6344F9BD-5FFF-405E-9A5D-5ECF7C5C7652@Web.DE> <694F91A1-0C7C-4591-8564-BC61210CC541@Web.DE> <20180410200031.GB15361@breton.holly.idiocy.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.3 (2018-01-21) X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 11:09:01PM -0400, Richard Stallman wrote: > > > I don’t think Cocoa works with GCC, > > Could you explain what that means? What is "Cocoa" > and what does it mean for it to work, or not work, with GCC? It’s Apple’s direct equivalent of GNUstep. When I try to build Emacs with GCC it fails with the message configure: WARNING: AppKit/AppKit.h: present but cannot be compiled If I try to compile this: #import int main() { return 1; } I get a massive list of errors using GCC, but clang compiles it silently. I think it’s because Apple have made a number of incompatible changes to their implementation of Objective‐C that haven’t been replicated in GCC. -- Alan Third From unknown Thu Aug 14 18:38:31 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#30992: Acknowledgement (27.0.50; Crash when graphics card switches) Resent-From: Peter Dyballa Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2018 19:58:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 30992 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo To: Alan Third Cc: 30992@debbugs.gnu.org, Richard Stallman Received: via spool by 30992-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B30992.15236494631092 (code B ref 30992); Fri, 13 Apr 2018 19:58:01 +0000 Received: (at 30992) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Apr 2018 19:57:43 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50960 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f74pL-0000HY-4H for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Apr 2018 15:57:43 -0400 Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.15.4]:52381) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f74pJ-0000HK-6S for 30992@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Apr 2018 15:57:41 -0400 Received: from sumac.fritz.box ([5.147.81.130]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb001 [213.165.67.108]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MUnqm-1exIGl2wm4-00Y9JT; Fri, 13 Apr 2018 21:57:23 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.3 \(3445.6.18\)) From: Peter Dyballa In-Reply-To: <20180413181416.GA39102@breton.holly.idiocy.org> Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2018 21:57:22 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <383CFA46-5742-4038-A7AB-EA47AC9472C2@Web.DE> References: <35E8617B-3991-4A40-BA56-D5B79AC021A8@Web.DE> <994128FC-FEAA-4BC8-8EAA-122BF977949F@Web.DE> <6344F9BD-5FFF-405E-9A5D-5ECF7C5C7652@Web.DE> <694F91A1-0C7C-4591-8564-BC61210CC541@Web.DE> <20180410200031.GB15361@breton.holly.idiocy.org> <20180413181416.GA39102@breton.holly.idiocy.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.6.18) X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:UAsGvK1y5xS6N//OOVo/WXgp77wau7K3eMLglmqNWpXTfzKr0NU UA6t6jowXKypX8GKlwnfyCHrTG9fvN8hYfSPPF/KbI0Tpe3jdgBlN8NYGN4OiZNjoahjqvV VqxVREKaLB9aOhqKVrQ8FuiUV1Yh3i01fXPDaaxLwpFkPXm+Jsw1QTlFRpIBsBnh3mrkuHf JHFJcggcutT7AJWjbYNnQ== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:cxsyAxYwVRA=:rAsAV/6hBEqFHVyMCE6jfJ tiwBc9ZJSULp0Glh5wUyMi93R5gIDBeBLi9PvLvcH8EE1Sem8BwF35u0W9J9W8ReycU9oRl0l rCsVi7RdsP2iG5e/bMLPu8goU5veO/TUmBLayWq8az5dRR3Y6c6BikWrduZS+ieMLU+HRpR9h 6i9Z02TktFX12qsJtaKgucqqBObDwYjTzaFlKgDy8VCdukNLg6KhigT3BCwaL3RBVDoOaQ2Ut He44xrbwreQmuGeifPlE2hn70wBLFRqgFgLRGqZ9b+78MslyAbfSM1moP6u+eDG5w2SzTy8sZ m2wPYAIQ3tBJE2FqNnyJZyn2o6hhuZgPGqjnguGKnm6lv7DM5iJRubCSqmpDXqdWLWviUUyP7 /wrV3B9Rk5YhtcPmIPhb279NUdFbsTdJ2CS0jZugD2WaKNbSWVm5ePQ4IPcwOWk8qoWsjPItp 9DrGwxHmliEl3YZchW0rx4U/TFOjBZI5a2B2tZgKdMdpeL+PowX87+WcsOxscX7TG+ZMaaKXB RqZiYfufOGu9F2b6Iu5icAydHI+0oB7+83oApEVfhCTWvzIrtoMrjp9FgkQcm5J7C87q0iJzM 9C69Rqb90Uv75n2Z+4gsuNggu1NhE8hE90H6MfNvUvZ8ZnENCg69nV4C9VqpvCwZIWGwDSzc8 xzLg5ZQ9GEE08CHih0PMBRE3qSC7Lh0BQFi7X4vMOpPCXWGPr8mbRBrNSzGbC6ErVzdzTZcw0 hzcgmqAkvwjEiwP1nsw/RkQixON0fNNJSZ3tl5KVRnrr1pkTk2+40FJ5dEH3MDK4Zdke6Faa8 X6C6S8LhXMJWQESlSGqKFGP4CLtg1fXKsI3pQ+jxGRCacB6WfU= X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > Am 13.4.2018 um 20:14 schrieb Alan Third : >=20 > I think it=E2=80=99s because Apple have made a number of > incompatible changes to their implementation of Objective=E2=80=90C = that > haven=E2=80=99t been replicated in GCC. I think the last version of GCC that could compile the NS variant was = 4.2.1 (4.2.4 in the MacPorts package manager), "Apple augmented" to also = be able to build those typical application bundles. And of course it was = then the C compiler in Xcode. This was ten years ago, in 2007/2008. = Xcode 3.2 from this time was the last release to rely completely on GCC, = but also offered a version of LLVM-GCC. Xcode 4.0 from 2011 came with = LLVM-GCC plus Clang, and an update to Xcode 4.2 came with ARC, Automatic = Reference Counting. (Needed at least Mac OS X 10.7, Lion?) And I think = Xcode 4 was available in Mac App Store for some money only=E2=80=A6 I did not upgrade to Lion and newer versions for many years (I stayed = with Leopard, Mac OS X 10.5.8, until last Christmas) and I still have = some old configure logs. GCC 4.8, 5.3, and 6.x could successfully check = AppKit.h usable (GNU Emacs 25.0.90/95), but they later failed with = different errors; February and June 2016. =E2=80=94 Greetings Pete Upgraded, adj.: Didn't work the first time. From unknown Thu Aug 14 18:38:31 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#30992: Acknowledgement (27.0.50; Crash when graphics card switches) Resent-From: Richard Stallman Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2018 03:16:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 30992 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo To: Peter Dyballa Cc: 30992@debbugs.gnu.org, alan@idiocy.org Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Received: via spool by 30992-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B30992.152384851729742 (code B ref 30992); Mon, 16 Apr 2018 03:16:01 +0000 Received: (at 30992) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Apr 2018 03:15:17 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54793 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f7ubt-0007jc-5a for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 15 Apr 2018 23:15:17 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:38309) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f7ubq-0007jK-Q2 for 30992@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 15 Apr 2018 23:15:16 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f7ubk-0005Ct-GT for 30992@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 15 Apr 2018 23:15:09 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:60155) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f7ubS-00052u-3y; Sun, 15 Apr 2018 23:14:50 -0400 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1f7ubQ-00046O-KL; Sun, 15 Apr 2018 23:14:48 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman In-reply-to: <383CFA46-5742-4038-A7AB-EA47AC9472C2@Web.DE> (message from Peter Dyballa on Fri, 13 Apr 2018 21:57:22 +0200) References: <35E8617B-3991-4A40-BA56-D5B79AC021A8@Web.DE> <994128FC-FEAA-4BC8-8EAA-122BF977949F@Web.DE> <6344F9BD-5FFF-405E-9A5D-5ECF7C5C7652@Web.DE> <694F91A1-0C7C-4591-8564-BC61210CC541@Web.DE> <20180410200031.GB15361@breton.holly.idiocy.org> <20180413181416.GA39102@breton.holly.idiocy.org> <383CFA46-5742-4038-A7AB-EA47AC9472C2@Web.DE> Message-Id: Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2018 23:14:48 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > I think the last version of GCC that could compile the NS variant > was 4.2.1 (4.2.4 in the MacPorts package manager), "Apple > augmented" to also be able to build those typical application > bundles. This is a very bad situation. I don't want to have code in Emacs that can only be compiled with Clang, and I am determined to change that. Will people please help me find the least disruptive way? I would expect that most of the files of Emacs can compile with GCC even on MacOS, but is that so? What about with GNUstep? Does Emacs compile for GCC with GNUstep? -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (https://gnu.org, https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See https://stallman.org/skype.html. From unknown Thu Aug 14 18:38:31 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#30992: Acknowledgement (27.0.50; Crash when graphics card switches) Resent-From: Richard Stallman Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2018 03:16:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 30992 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo To: Alan Third Cc: 30992@debbugs.gnu.org, Peter_Dyballa@Web.DE Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Received: via spool by 30992-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B30992.152384851729748 (code B ref 30992); Mon, 16 Apr 2018 03:16:02 +0000 Received: (at 30992) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Apr 2018 03:15:17 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54795 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f7ubt-0007jf-Di for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 15 Apr 2018 23:15:17 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:38363) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f7ubs-0007jM-Gw for 30992@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 15 Apr 2018 23:15:16 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f7ubm-0005HE-HE for 30992@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 15 Apr 2018 23:15:11 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:60159) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f7ubX-00056B-4H; Sun, 15 Apr 2018 23:14:55 -0400 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1f7ubW-00047I-4r; Sun, 15 Apr 2018 23:14:54 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman In-reply-to: <20180413181416.GA39102@breton.holly.idiocy.org> (message from Alan Third on Fri, 13 Apr 2018 19:14:16 +0100) References: <35E8617B-3991-4A40-BA56-D5B79AC021A8@Web.DE> <994128FC-FEAA-4BC8-8EAA-122BF977949F@Web.DE> <6344F9BD-5FFF-405E-9A5D-5ECF7C5C7652@Web.DE> <694F91A1-0C7C-4591-8564-BC61210CC541@Web.DE> <20180410200031.GB15361@breton.holly.idiocy.org> <20180413181416.GA39102@breton.holly.idiocy.org> Message-Id: Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2018 23:14:54 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > #import Which files in Emacs include that header? -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (https://gnu.org, https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See https://stallman.org/skype.html. From unknown Thu Aug 14 18:38:31 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#30992: Acknowledgement (27.0.50; Crash when graphics card switches) Resent-From: Peter Dyballa Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2018 12:02:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 30992 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo To: Richard Stallman Cc: 30992@debbugs.gnu.org, alan@idiocy.org Received: via spool by 30992-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B30992.152388010720830 (code B ref 30992); Mon, 16 Apr 2018 12:02:02 +0000 Received: (at 30992) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Apr 2018 12:01:47 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55125 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f82pP-0005Pt-CV for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 16 Apr 2018 08:01:47 -0400 Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.17.11]:37333) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f82pN-0005Pf-Q1 for 30992@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 16 Apr 2018 08:01:46 -0400 Received: from sumac.fritz.box ([5.147.81.130]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb102 [213.165.67.124]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LoYX0-1eX3JE15ha-00gUdY; Mon, 16 Apr 2018 14:01:26 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.3 \(3445.6.18\)) From: Peter Dyballa In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2018 14:01:24 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <35E8617B-3991-4A40-BA56-D5B79AC021A8@Web.DE> <994128FC-FEAA-4BC8-8EAA-122BF977949F@Web.DE> <6344F9BD-5FFF-405E-9A5D-5ECF7C5C7652@Web.DE> <694F91A1-0C7C-4591-8564-BC61210CC541@Web.DE> <20180410200031.GB15361@breton.holly.idiocy.org> <20180413181416.GA39102@breton.holly.idiocy.org> <383CFA46-5742-4038-A7AB-EA47AC9472C2@Web.DE> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.6.18) X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:26DtXWHeb7c7VodXrVFgmSiNZHrAvQ6k0diqDb/wIiNCM8NzuPC ilIMl6wwtMwrsQvZlJleKxS3QnxZSPdNG77W9pNCafj8y7zYCbAOx4HOZnuuzp6smLsYZ44 0JtlPA4tFBXMq4mWfe+Sg0rF7zTKKiFnXgyYWfEP67tj/i2fVgmg66n3nhEubn/cgprjKV2 Uczqb9+SsZBOn0vW5xajA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:Jv7PTgoBRXA=:0F9E2iHQfoeAaYSEBaCDdg Dvb5rg+8KNDukvTzHjUkEbNM1gryW5C85QLtmYy3w1naJZrHn2pNyaGBkjb2OCibg1LrU2B/d C0XGAtSPc8wznTR5Uth37cD9NnIDDEnmQwShzBqf+eBVCEHITH+wfxmpJoftg9jOLvFQxV9g7 1db4aqHLf/xcwBpA54uu76W3/qu5W73Sk0xvO00a8SJJEL1nwYMXuq9a1wWByLX9gDc37ebs1 /CoAemtooDAdEAd19uyTOhMX9nvIcuhIjOCL1h/QtOn1RAR6asF3IeMpR/nevi4KgFOG9bS/X b9bnRIuVVPTiqg0pfJdynr8QyFJCQ5v7PsFx/S2DfcP54j4VeikpIPr7yQELO4+RyLWE9ZcE8 Bd251N8a/ZxpKY7v07Vbs2Pm6qs4fnN0si1q3qntLFrwSHsHPn+u2p+FPaacix9PCD+c48pSn DuLVvqCvkK/+q2lU1ercxKAQthYfQM2nJMtYo0PsmcsnSxmcJSCEsRtWCOkFcrDfZycjhG+Hj o9FnvwN4ow6GU2RJdD4/OzUPeSbDakAwZO3WY1ktXP2vV7gSQdn330OCdzEyMlaUEO7lH3eC4 7kwoJQJOF/KyjN4kM6TL+B8jVQgmJ533G3NJXjG5dG8QSgCOS7a0twi3vH4oSW7HbyYizcvtY /ZinD1/3q4J75sJKkkchpqH/SzpBg4OWOX8Q6ggtt1sOGfGBFR3OLsjWhbhNwDYW+KDukt1Ew xXjwxIODSR75F6FA7BL0YDJ1SN6F/8pFSTKt3iJOaeabLOLZzdQNyaaxIsiAUiOdzenKNfZrB rfvb9mHuGtFit6b4XCt7k6TESeuQoB4wv71ZpNWhxUqtVUm8sA= X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > Am 16.4.2018 um 05:14 schrieb Richard Stallman : >=20 > I don't want to have code in Emacs that > can only be compiled with Clang, and I am determined to change that. Bad idea, IMO. =E2=80=94 Greetings Pete "Free markets would be a great idea, if markets were actually free." 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[2001:8b0:3f8:8129:65e9:9ba3:9e5b:b49f]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id b9sm8399195wmh.41.2018.04.16.10.51.25 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 16 Apr 2018 10:51:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2018 18:51:23 +0100 From: Alan Third Message-ID: <20180416175123.GA43791@breton.holly.idiocy.org> References: <6344F9BD-5FFF-405E-9A5D-5ECF7C5C7652@Web.DE> <694F91A1-0C7C-4591-8564-BC61210CC541@Web.DE> <20180410200031.GB15361@breton.holly.idiocy.org> <20180413181416.GA39102@breton.holly.idiocy.org> <383CFA46-5742-4038-A7AB-EA47AC9472C2@Web.DE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.3 (2018-01-21) X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 11:14:48PM -0400, Richard Stallman wrote: > > #import > > Which files in Emacs include that header? nsgui.h, and configure must reference it in its tests too. It’s required for both GNUstep and Cocoa. > > I think the last version of GCC that could compile the NS variant > > was 4.2.1 (4.2.4 in the MacPorts package manager), "Apple > > augmented" to also be able to build those typical application > > bundles. > > This is a very bad situation. I don't want to have code in Emacs that > can only be compiled with Clang, and I am determined to change that. > Will people please help me find the least disruptive way? > > I would expect that most of the files of Emacs can compile with GCC > even on MacOS, but is that so? As far as I’m aware there is no code in Emacs itself that requires Clang. There were a couple of Objective‐C ‘blocks’ that we removed previously as GCC doesn’t support them. I don’t know how we would get to a position of being able to build with GCC and Cocoa. I assume GCC would have to support some or all of the Obj‐C features it’s currently missing. > What about with GNUstep? Does Emacs compile for GCC with GNUstep? Yes. My test‐build VM uses GCC 4.9.2 which compiles GNUstep Emacs fine. -- Alan Third